Irfan Pathan's stand on Israeli atrocities against Palestinians

[Zaz]

Lets be honest, white east european zionists dont support or deep down care for brown hindu indians

Our resident indians can cozy upto the israelis all they want but they ll always be seen as brown inferior third world residents who dont deserve their time of day Truth

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Here you go:

NY:
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/brooklyn/news/2021/05/16/pro-palestinian-rally-in-bay-ridge-draws-thousands

London:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57127628

Berlin:
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/thousands-march-in-berlin-in-solidarity-with-palestinians/2241773

Tokyo:
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20210514_35/

 

[Romali_rotti]

Lets be honest, white east european zionists dont support or deep down care for brown hindu indians

Our resident indians can cozy upto the israelis all they want but they ll always be seen as brown inferior third world residents who dont deserve their time of day Truth

Lets be honest, the Arabs from the middle east don't support Pakistanis or deep down care for the brown muslim Pakistanis.

Our resident pakistanis can cozy up to the Arabs all they want but they ll always be seen as brown inferior third world converts to Islam who dont deserve their time of day Truth.

 

[Lego20]

You expect Palestinians to sit & watch whilst they are attacked for no reason whilst worshipping in a mosque? Israeli terrorists are the instigators.

If you are trying to find a root cause to the current episode, I am afraid you will keep going backwards from here (he did she did) all the way back to 1948. I am 100% sure, Israel has their own legitimate reason for attacking the mosque.

 

[Lego20]

India officially voted against Israel at the UN security Council - like we always do

Franky most Indians are indifferent towards Israel & Palestine - except a handful of social media warriors & some Muslim organizations

Its a mistake. Sound thing to do would be to just abstain.

 

[Bewal Express]

What? you can't be THIS naive.

Muslims are arguing about what to eat, what not to eat, is music halal or haram.... and you believe that those same Muslims can put a brave face and face all the consequences for years to come for this?

No one will. At best, a protest of one month can go on but no more than that.

Forget about all that. If someone calls for 10mn volunteers to free Al Aqsa, I guarantee to you they would get them in a day. You have to be a Muslim to understand.

 

[Itachi]

Forget about all that. If someone calls for 10mn volunteers to free Al Aqsa, I guarantee to you they would get them in a day. You have to be a Muslim to understand.

For al aqsa of course people will come. NOT for Palestine.

The driving forces are very different for above. No Muslims will go out of their ways to help Palestine except writing a few words in social platforms.

For Al aqsa, it isn't about Palestine anymore.

 

[El Generico]

Lets be honest, the Arabs from the middle east don't support Pakistanis or deep down care for the brown muslim Pakistanis.

Our resident pakistanis can cozy up to the Arabs all they want but they ll always be seen as brown inferior third world converts to Islam who dont deserve their time of day Truth.

Well Pakistanis supporting Palestine at least makes sense causes Al-Aqsa is holy for all Muslims and 97% of Pakistani are Muslims. Arabs have nothing to do with it, it’s more of a religion thing.

What is India’s fascination with kissing up to Israel though? Is it a skin colour thing?

 

[Itachi]

Well Pakistanis supporting Palestine at least makes sense causes Al-Aqsa is holy for all Muslims and 97% of Pakistani are Muslims. Arabs have nothing to do with it, it’s more of a religion thing.

What is India’s fascination with kissing up to Israel though? Is it a skin colour thing?

Israel has close ties with Indian state of manipur and mizoram. The Jews of manipur and mizoram are recognized as descendants of one of the lost tribe of Israel and is granted emigration.

 

[MenInG]

Israel has close ties with Indian state of manipur and mizoram. The Jews of manipur and mizoram are recognized as descendants of one of the lost tribe of Israel and is granted emigration.

Amazing - is there some link to a source for this please?

 

[El Generico]

Israel has close ties with Indian state of manipur and mizoram. The Jews of manipur and mizoram are recognized as descendants of one of the lost tribe of Israel and is granted emigration.

That’s interesting, thanks for sharing. However I doubt that this is the reason why most Indians are cheerleading for Israel on social media.

 

[Itachi]

Amazing - is there some link to a source for this please?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bnei_Menashe

https://www.eastmojo.com/news/2020/...jews-from-manipur-want-to-emigrate-to-israel/

 

[Bewal Express]

For al aqsa of course people will come. NOT for Palestine.

The driving forces are very different for above. No Muslims will go out of their ways to help Palestine except writing a few words in social platforms.

For Al aqsa, it isn't about Palestine anymore.

And the plan of the Zionists is to destroy Al Aqsa. Do really think they will stop? Israel we were told just wanted secure borders but all along many knew what they wanted. Now they tell us the takeover over of the West Bank, so get used it and then they will tell us that destruction of Al Aqsa is fact so get used to it. Sooner or later the Arabs and other Muslims govt will grow a spine. Read the hadith on the weakness of Muslims, sooner or later it will come to an end.

 

[King_Kohli]

Israel has close ties with Indian state of manipur and mizoram. The Jews of manipur and mizoram are recognized as descendants of one of the lost tribe of Israel and is granted emigration.

Even in kerala.
After India gained its independence in 1947 and Israel was established as a nation, most of the Malabar Jews made Aliyah and emigrated from Kerala to Israel in the mid-1950s.
Most of their synagogues are still existing in Kerala.

We have visited Ernakulam few years back.

 

[MenInG]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bnei_Menashe

https://www.eastmojo.com/news/2020/...jews-from-manipur-want-to-emigrate-to-israel/

Thanks

 

[Mamoon]

Pashtuns are most likely one of the lost tribes of Bani Israel as well. Ironically, we the Pashtuns are also amongst the staunchest haters and critics of Israel.

 

[MenInG]

Pashtuns are most likely one of the lost tribes of Bani Israel as well. Ironically, we the Pashtuns are also amongst the staunchest haters and critics of Israel.

And you are wondering why?

 

[Mamoon]

Amazing - is there some link to a source for this please?

Excerpt from a piece published in June 2018:

Largest exodus of Benei Manashe Jews underway from Manipur; 432 have left for Israel so far this year

Called the Benei Manashe, these Jews are believed to be the descendants of the Menashe tribe, one of the ten lost tribes of Israel.

There are over 9,000 members of the Jewish community living in India’s northeastern states, half of them are in Manipur and Mizoram.

Called the Benei Manashe, these Jews are believed to be the descendants of the Menashe tribe, one of the ten lost tribes of Israel.

According to data from Shavei Israel, a body that oversees the migration of the Jews to Israel, nearly 3000 Jews have migrated to Israel and thousands more are waiting to take the flight.

The first mass emigration took place in 2006, when 213 members of the community migrated from Mizoram, followed by a second mass emigration of 233 people from Manipur in 2007.

However, the present emigration is the largest as 432 have migrated just this year — 204 in February, followed by 228 on June 10. Another 20 are expected to move on June 12.

Those migrating now are provided with a one-year temporary citizenship and are granted full citizenship after they complete basic religious education, says Aaron Vaiphei, assistant manager of Shavei Israel in Manipur.

Once the citizenship is granted, those in the 18 to 25 age group are enlisted for the three-year compulsory military service while those above 60 are provided old age pension.

https://indianexpress.com/article/n...ave-left-for-israel-so-far-this-year-5213828/

 

[Mamoon]

And you are wondering why?

It is fairly obvious why, but if we are indeed one of the lost tribes of Bani Israel and if it proven one day, we will we acknowledge that we are kins of the Israelis?

Would Israel offer us citizenship considering the fact that the state of Pakistan does not acknowledge the statehood of Israel?

There is a lot to ponder over.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bnei_Menashe

https://www.eastmojo.com/news/2020/...jews-from-manipur-want-to-emigrate-to-israel/

Not just them. Cochin jews and baghdadi jews as well.

 

[IAJ]

one has to admit, Israel is a very strong nation depending upon it's limited resources and people. Muslims fear Israel and that tells a lot about the strong presence.

Lol are you even serious? This is a very complicated matter. If you declare a war against Israel, you declare war against USA. And USA must have stated that very clearly to all the muslim countries surrounding Israel.

So if USA come out openly and say they wont help Israel then the scenario changes quickly.

Having said that there is no unity among muslims. When they see the muslims are being killed they should take action and help them. But that is not happening.

In every corner where you see people are being killed openly, mostly muslim are on receiving end, Kashmir, Palestine, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Myanmar, China, previously Bosnia and Chechnya too.

Many muslims do kill other muslims in some of these countries, so not saying all muslims are innocent.

 

[Itachi]

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Lol are you even serious? This is a very complicated matter. If you declare a war against Israel, you declare war against USA. And USA must have stated that very clearly to all the muslim countries surrounding Israel.

So if USA come out openly and say they wont help Israel then the scenario changes quickly.

Having said that there is no unity among muslims. When they see the muslims are being killed they should take action and help them. But that is not happening.

In every corner where you see people are being killed openly, mostly muslim are on receiving end, Kashmir, Palestine, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Myanmar, China, previously Bosnia and Chechnya too.

Many muslims do kill other muslims in some of these countries, so not saying all muslims are innocent.

If you are protected by a stronger force, it means you have brought yourself to the position that, that strong force recognizes you and protects for their own interest. That also itself an achievement considering Israel is a very young nation while most Muslim countries existed for centuries but still don't have the same influence.

 

[IAJ]

If you are protected by a stronger force, it means you have brought yourself to the position that, that strong force recognizes you and protects for their own interest. That also itself an achievement considering Israel is a very young nation while most Muslim countries existed for centuries but still don't have the same influence.

You are just typing random stuff for the sake of it. First you say they have limited
Resources, a country who has nuclear weapons in it’s arsenal are a big threat to whole World even if they have a small population. Already at this stage your argument failed.

 

[NishanKonar]

Well Pakistanis supporting Palestine at least makes sense causes Al-Aqsa is holy for all Muslims and 97% of Pakistani are Muslims. Arabs have nothing to do with it, it’s more of a religion thing.

What is India’s fascination with kissing up to Israel though? Is it a skin colour thing?

Its mostly BJP social media trolls - who are in general an obnoxious bunch

Most normal Indians are either unaware or indifferent to Israel or Palestine

 

[Itachi]

You are just typing random stuff for the sake of it. First you say they have limited
Resources, a country who has nuclear weapons in it’s arsenal are a big threat to whole World even if they have a small population. Already at this stage your argument failed.

with their limited resources, they have become a nuclear nation. That's an achievement. I don't know why it is hard for you to appreciate the dedication, the brilliance of the Jews. They were in small in numbers but they made sure that each of them counts.

Lets face it, Muslims are much bigger in number but still Muslim countries are fighting among themselves instead of bonding together and creating something that could enrich the mankind.

Jews have done the opposite. Their contribution towards science, especially in medical field in order to increase the life span of people is nothing but extraordinary.

limited resources doesn't mean success is restricted. Jews are a living proof of that.

I just hard to understand why Muslims doesn't want to give credit where it's due.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Pashtuns are most likely one of the lost tribes of Bani Israel as well. Ironically, we the Pashtuns are also amongst the staunchest haters and critics of Israel.

Its a myth. If not, please provide scientifically proven evidence to back this claim.

Genetic research has found Pashtuns to be local to the area (just like other Iranian people in the region).

 

[Saj]

India officially voted against Israel at the UN security Council - like we always do

Franky most Indians are indifferent towards Israel & Palestine - except a handful of social media warriors & some Muslim organizations

I get the impression though that more seem to want to cosy up to Israel, with Muslims seen as the common enemy.

 

[Lego20]

I get the impression though that more seem to want to cosy up to Israel, with Muslims seen as the common enemy.

Indians reading such posts about Hindus hating muslim generally find it completely out of place. India has the worlds second or third largest muslim population. No nation can sustain with 650 million of its people hating another 200 million - this comment is just to provoke common sense, hope that prevails. Especially for someone living in a western country who has seen co-existence as a minority.

Pakistan was formed on the basis that Hindu/Muslim cannot co-exist. Its understandable that thinking may be ingrained. I suggest to think out loud and open if it makes any sense with contrary proof spanning 73 years.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Well Pakistanis supporting Palestine at least makes sense causes Al-Aqsa is holy for all Muslims and 97% of Pakistani are Muslims. Arabs have nothing to do with it, it’s more of a religion thing.

What is India’s fascination with kissing up to Israel though? Is it a skin colour thing?

Indians gave 1000s of Jews shelter during world war 2, Indians and Jews have a relationship that dates back shortly after the death of Christ, when Jews arrived in India.

These 2 communities have co-existed peacefully with each other for over a 1000 years, Israel has helped India during many times of need.

Unlike the muslim converts from the subcontinent that are looked at like insects by the Arabs, the Indian/Jewish relationship is not that bad when it comes to equality.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Indians gave 1000s of Jews shelter during world war 2, Indians and Jews have a relationship that dates back shortly after the death of Christ, when Jews arrived in India.

These 2 communities have co-existed peacefully with each other for over a 1000 years, Israel has helped India during many times of need.

Unlike the muslim converts from the subcontinent that are looked at like insects by the Arabs, the Indian/Jewish relationship is not that bad when it comes to equality.

Seriously dude, exaggeration ki bhi limit hoti hai.

Exactly how many jews lived in India at any given point in time? There are even more jews living in Iran and many other arab countries like Morroco and Tunisia. Even at the time of prophet Muhammad (pbuh), there was a community of jews in Saudia Arab.

Forget arab intolerance towards muslim converts of the sub-continent, look at how these native people of India are treated in their own homeland by the majority Hindus? Everyone saw the lynchings by cow vigilantes and RSS not too long ago. Look at what happened in Ayodhiya and Gujrat.

 

[El Generico]

Indians gave 1000s of Jews shelter during world war 2, Indians and Jews have a relationship that dates back shortly after the death of Christ, when Jews arrived in India.

These 2 communities have co-existed peacefully with each other for over a 1000 years, Israel has helped India during many times of need.

Unlike the muslim converts from the subcontinent that are looked at like insects by the Arabs, the Indian/Jewish relationship is not that bad when it comes to equality.

This sounds like some sort of fantasy of yours tbh. Yes like every community Arabs also have racists in them but on average Pakistanis/Arabs tend to get along well. A bunch of ppers here live in Arab countries, I am sure they can confirm.

BTW some Israeli accounts have been posting some pretty racist things about Indians. I guess even they are disgusted by the shameless pandering some Indians are doing.

 

[Romali_rotti]

This sounds like some sort of fantasy of yours tbh. Yes like every community Arabs also have racists in them but on average Pakistanis/Arabs tend to get along well. A bunch of ppers here live in Arab countries, I am sure they can confirm.

BTW some Israeli accounts have been posting some pretty racist things about Indians. I guess even they are disgusted by the shameless pandering some Indians are doing.

Not really a fantasy buddy, this is my first hand experience from Egyptian Arabs and the Saudi ones, they look at people from the sub continent as insects..

Your experience might be different but I can only go from what I have seen, Your Ummah with the Arabs may have cracks in it ...

 

[Romali_rotti]

Seriously dude, exaggeration ki bhi limit hoti hai.

Exactly how many jews lived in India at any given point in time? There are even more jews living in Iran and many other arab countries like Morroco and Tunisia. Even at the time of prophet Muhammad (pbuh), there was a community of jews in Saudia Arab.

Forget arab intolerance towards muslim converts of the sub-continent, look at how these native people of India are treated in their own homeland by the majority Hindus? Everyone saw the lynchings by cow vigilantes and RSS not too long ago. Look at what happened in Ayodhiya and Gujrat.

Seriously dude, you need to read the post before responding.

There were 10s of 1000s of Jews that got refuge in India during the WW2, I already Mentioned in my post that Jews have been coming to India for 1000s of years.

Its not about which country has accommodated more Jews, just please read the post before coming up with these petty arguments.

Have a read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_India

When you are losing the argument you bring in RSS, Cow Vigilantes etc which don't really have much to do with the relationship between Jews & Indians that was raised by a Pakistani poster.

 

[El Generico]

Not really a fantasy buddy, this is my first hand experience from Egyptian Arabs and the Saudi ones, they look at people from the sub continent as insects..

Your experience might be different but I can only go from what I have seen, Your Ummah with the Arabs may have cracks in it ...

I have never met anyone from Saudi but had a couple of Egyptian friends throughout high school and we got along pretty well. But like I said there are racist in every community and unfortunately it seems like you encountered them.


Anyways I am not gonna start supporting the massacre of Palestinians or the occupation of Al Aqsa just because some Arabs are racist

 

[Romali_rotti]

Anyways I am not gonna start supporting the massacre of Palestinians or the occupation of Al Aqsa just because some Arabs are racist

Neither am I, and that was never the argument, I replicated what a Pakistani poster did by using his own logic...

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Seriously dude, you need to read the post before responding.

There were 10s of 1000s of Jews that got refuge in India during the WW2, I already Mentioned in my post that Jews have been coming to India for 1000s of years.

Its not about which country has accommodated more Jews, just please read the post before coming up with these petty arguments.

Have a read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_India

When you are losing the argument you bring in RSS, Cow Vigilantes etc which don't really have much to do with the relationship between Jews & Indians that was raised by a Pakistani poster.

India at the time of wwII (and before for a couple of centuries) was under British rule, so its the colonial Master, who determined which refugee is admitted where. Soon after the world war ended, Britain created Israel, so all jewish refugees went there. Not really sure what credit goes to current indians for that. India at max was just a temporary place holder for the jewish settlers.

As for other historical & current relationship between jews and India, there is none of any real significance because:

1. The “native” Indian jewish community really is/was miniscule. The indian jews are neither prominent in israel nor play any major role domestically.
2. In modern day, india is only a cheap party place for young israelis. Something like what Thailand is for certain type of Goras. Have a read:
https://homegrown.co.in/article/802281/tracking-down-flipped-out-israelis-in-india

3. India is far away from middle east, so does not provide any significant advantage to Israel.

Who is losing the argument now?

 

[PakLFC]

Indians are trying to drum the same beat as Israelis when putting their claim on Kashmir but unlike Israel , where the jews were dispelled by the romans. In Kashmir it the local/native population that converted to Islam.

So indians don’t really have a leg to stand on.

Certainly Israel and Kashmir can not be compared. It was not the Muslim's/Palestinians who forced the Jews out neither did the Muslim's off the subcontinent ever leave the region then came back after thousands of years in the wilderness.

Right wing Hindu Zionists are natural allies of the Jewish/Christian Zionists due to their hatred of Muslim's.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Again trying to hide behind false equivalences. These are issues between the world religions, which Indians wont understand.

Coming back to the topic, you dont have to keep on hiding behind this what aboutism. Just accept that despite having no relation with the whole Israel/Palestine affair, the only reason why your fellow countrymen supporting Israel all over the internet is due to the hatred of Islam.

You may not be one of them but such hateful Indians are visible all over the internet and it really is despicable to see.

I don't support what's going on in Gaza currently, I never will..

Indians on the net supporting Israel is due to a combination of things;

- Israel and India are close friends, economically & militarily.
- Is there a section of Indians that are anti muslim and supporting Israel due to this ? YES ofcourse, never denied it.

The initial argument raised by a number of you Pakistanis here is that, Israel and India don't have a religious connection like Pakistani Muslims would have with Palestine hence they have no business supporting Israel. I was pointing out that there is a sect of Indians who don't look via the prism of religious connection like Muslims have with their holy land of Palestine to back a close friend like Israel.

 

[Yasir_ch]

LOL at India.Obviously Indian Hindus will support Israel because of their hatred for Muslims.

 

[OMB]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bnei_Menashe

https://www.eastmojo.com/news/2020/...jews-from-manipur-want-to-emigrate-to-israel/

This manipur link was news to me, I thought the Jews mostly lived in Western parts of India.
I have seen synagogues in Mumbai, the most well known is the one where the Jewish family was killed by a group of 9 terrorists.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

This manipur link was news to me, I thought the Jews mostly lived in Western parts of India.
I have seen synagogues in Mumbai, the most well known is the one where the Jewish family was killed by a group of 9 terrorists.

What is the overall population of jews in India?

Absolute nr and as % of the overall population of 1.4 billion?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Its mostly BJP social media trolls - who are in general an obnoxious bunch

Most normal Indians are either unaware or indifferent to Israel or Palestine

Would like to believe that, but of course BJP are the current govt, voted in by India's population, which means their social media trolls are probably more representative of Indians than you would like to admit.

 

[OMB]

Would like to believe that, but of course BJP are the current govt, voted in by India's population, which means their social media trolls are probably more representative of Indians than you would like to admit.

Not really. Social media posts are never official government stance.
How can it happen?
If we call them trolls then we know enough to stop giving any credibility to their statements.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not really. Social media posts are never official government stance.
How can it happen?
If we call them trolls then we know enough to stop giving any credibility to their statements.

I didn't say social media posts were official govt stance, I said they were more representative of Indians as that is the most popular political party in India. That doesn't mean all Indians share these views, but clearly a good chunk of them do.

 

[King_Kohli]

I didn't say social media posts were official govt stance, I said they were more representative of Indians as that is the most popular political party in India. That doesn't mean all Indians share these views, but clearly a good chunk of them do.

Not really.
Not even 1%

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not really.
Not even 1%

Who do you believe represents Indians more accurately?