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'Ironic that Pak & WI who've probably been most hard done by Big 3, helping Eng' : Nasser Hussain

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nasser Hussain on Sky Sports "I find it ironic that the 2 sides who've probably been hard done by the most by the Big 3, two great cricketing nations Pakistan & West Indies who have been hardest hit, now we're asking them to come over to England" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID19</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1260973947945922563?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Absolutely amazing and shows how well Wasim Khan has played his cards here - if this tour happens, the goodwill credit will be huge.
 
Wasim Khan has been triumphant so far, they way he carried himself in front many haters, the way he intends to revamp the domestic structure in Pakistan and his work on the NCA. Other than the appointment of Misbah, he has been brilliant

Misbah's appointment still has time to go on and will be interesting to see his final project.
 
Credit WK for sure, but I think the key here was timing - CV19 hit the world at the time when English season was just to start and ECB are desperate now to escape bankruptcy. Both these teams were scheduled to tour UK this summer - what ECB is trying to salvage the series some how. The same thing Aussies are trying with India, though the scheduled series is still 6 months away.

I’ll give full credit to WK if he can maximise this opportunity - get the English board agreeing to tour PAK, may be either side of next years IND tour (even shifting PSL - it’s more important to bring a SENA team in PAK for longer period), or in autumn (SEP-OCT, 2 weeks after the end of County season) of 2021, for a 3 Test, 3 ODI series. May be, they can now get ECB agreeing to accommodate a PAK A tour next summer, and be PAK’s host (instead of UAE), just in case.

Also, the desperate situation that ECB is facing now will come back to hunt Countries with cricket season centering northern winter - probably the most severely affected boards will be PCB, BCB, CSAF, WICB & NZCB. WK & other board CEO’s acid test will start from September - let’s see how they back each other to overcome it - this is where I am actually looking more at WK; a capable sane head among ...... you know.
 
If Pak tours (which they most probably will)

This gesture will go a long way in ensuring top flight team will also tour Pakistan in the future
 
I just hope Pakistan don't come running to England and then when it's time for England to tour Pakistan, they tell PCB to get lost.

At that time we'll see what Wasim Khan is made of.
 
I just hope Pakistan don't come running to England and then when it's time for England to tour Pakistan, they tell PCB to get lost.

At that time we'll see what Wasim Khan is made of.

I don’t think Englishmen are treacherous like another big 3 board is.

These gents will be honourable with their response
 
And Michael Atherton in the Times:

Sacrifice is a clumsy word to use at a time when so many are making such great contributions on the front line, but if the players from West Indies and Pakistan elect to travel to England this summer to help salvage a large part of the international schedule, it would be a remarkable act of — let us not say sacrifice — but generosity, given how little there is to look forward to and how little they have to gain.

I love how the Sky pundits can tell it like it is, hence why it's the broadcaster around.

Meanwhile in India and Australia, the commentators can't even utter a word about Big 3 and stick to the party line.
 
I don’t think Englishmen are treacherous like another big 3 board is.

These gents will be honourable with their response

Agreed also some players came to psl I think wasim will use his magic and come to England then ask the ecb to come play matches in Pakistan
 
I just hope Pakistan don't come running to England and then when it's time for England to tour Pakistan, they tell PCB to get lost.

At that time we'll see what Wasim Khan is made of.

I think they will tour tbh some of their players have come to Pakistan and wasim will work his magic
 
With the pandemic far from over and the cricketing summer fast approaching, it might not be in Pakistan’s hand to tour or not.
 
With the pandemic far from over and the cricketing summer fast approaching, it might not be in Pakistan’s hand to tour or not.

I think the tour will to ahead but they will have to travel 4 weeks before for quarantine
 
With the pandemic far from over and the cricketing summer fast approaching, it might not be in Pakistan’s hand to tour or not.

Elite sport is set to take place in the UK from 12th June behind closed doors
 
Elite sport is set to take place in the UK from 12th June behind closed doors

That was referring to domestic football wasn't it? Set is the operative word so no guarantees.

I hope sport does resume soon but international sport will be a different kettle of fish with travel restrictions and individual situations etc, won't be as easy to turn on the switch.
 
Interesting times ahead.

Will England also come to Pakistan when Pakistan asks them to tour?
 
its because of quid pro quo. Every board will expect something in return for the help.
 
I think they will tour tbh some of their players have come to Pakistan and wasim will work his magic

He needs to stand his ground or he will be made to look very silly by the ECB.
 
This time the PCB should get an agreement signed on a legal paper getting this commitment to tour Pakistan in return. No verbal agreements or understandings.
 
That was referring to domestic football wasn't it? Set is the operative word so no guarantees.

I hope sport does resume soon but international sport will be a different kettle of fish with travel restrictions and individual situations etc, won't be as easy to turn on the switch.
They will apply the same rules to all sports and cricket is a bigger priority as they have had nothing this season.

Training will start next week at most cricket clubs
 
I just hope Pakistan don't come running to England and then when it's time for England to tour Pakistan, they tell PCB to get lost.

At that time we'll see what Wasim Khan is made of.

Saj, I think that kind of thought process does go against the spirit of the whole thing. It is not a quid pro quo and shouldn’t be seen as that. Better and warmer narrative to frame it as an attempt to support each other when cricket communities are under threat from a global pandemic.
 
If Pak tours (which they most probably will)

This gesture will go a long way in ensuring top flight team will also tour Pakistan in the future

I'm unsure of this.

I know it sounds terrible but the PCB should have said they'd tour England IF England signed in the dotted line for a tour of Pakistan within the next 18 months. Khan has said he didnt want to do that, which sounds nice but it's bad business. Time to be ruthless against ECB, CA and BCCI.
 
Agreed. The ECB have shown scant importance to Pakistan tours even when there were no security fears to speak of. The last major tour in Pakistan was in 2005-06 and even those tours were maximum three tests plus a few ODIs here and there. Get them to commit to a long tour I.e. atleast three tests and a number of ODIs and T20s. If that means some Eng first teamers bail out (which you'd expect), you'll still see an England team visit.

I appreciate the diplomacy shown by WK here, but the question arises, how strong are his relationships with his counterparts at the ECB?
 
PCB should realize that moral obligations mean nothing in the ruthless world of business. Get it the agreement signed in a legal document that England will play a full fledged series with Pakistan in the future
 
Agreed. The ECB have shown scant importance to Pakistan tours even when there were no security fears to speak of. The last major tour in Pakistan was in 2005-06 and even those tours were maximum three tests plus a few ODIs here and there. Get them to commit to a long tour I.e. atleast three tests and a number of ODIs and T20s. If that means some Eng first teamers bail out (which you'd expect), you'll still see an England team visit.

I appreciate the diplomacy shown by WK here, but the question arises, how strong are his relationships with his counterparts at the ECB?

With bilateral tests and ODIs now having something resting on them I can't see us touring with the likelihood that some key players won't play. I reckon on the next tour we could perhaps see a few T20s played in Pakistan with the rest of the series elsewhere.
 
Saj, I think that kind of thought process does go against the spirit of the whole thing. It is not a quid pro quo and shouldn’t be seen as that. Better and warmer narrative to frame it as an attempt to support each other when cricket communities are under threat from a global pandemic.

When it's a matter of life and death, spirit and niceties go out of the equation.

UK has the second highest death numbers from Covid-19 at the moment and for Pakistani cricketers to go there is high-risk and dangerous.

The PCB needs to be professional, pleasant, but at the same time it's an ideal opportunity to get some sort of agreement from the ECB to tour Pakistan in return.
 
When it's a matter of life and death, spirit and niceties go out of the equation.

UK has the second highest death numbers from Covid-19 at the moment and for Pakistani cricketers to go there is high-risk and dangerous.

The PCB needs to be professional, pleasant, but at the same time it's an ideal opportunity to get some sort of agreement from the ECB to tour Pakistan in return.

I wouldn't put it past the English to parrot the same line about going to Pakistan and not for covid-19 reasons.
 
I wouldn't put it past the English to parrot the same line about going to Pakistan and not for covid-19 reasons.

And that's why the PCB needs to be smart and up-front.
 
They will apply the same rules to all sports and cricket is a bigger priority as they have had nothing this season.

Training will start next week at most cricket clubs

I see where you're coming from, I remember you talking about the lockdown in London and from your POV it was clear from what they were saying on the tele was far from the realities on the ground.

However, it remains to be seen what happens.
 
I'm unsure of this.

I know it sounds terrible but the PCB should have said they'd tour England IF England signed in the dotted line for a tour of Pakistan within the next 18 months. Khan has said he didnt want to do that, which sounds nice but it's bad business. Time to be ruthless against ECB, CA and BCCI.

There's 0 chance of the ECB signing anything that contractually obliges them to tour, it'd put too much liability on them.
 
I see where you're coming from, I remember you talking about the lockdown in London and from your POV it was clear from what they were saying on the tele was far from the realities on the ground.

However, it remains to be seen what happens.

ECB released training guidelines today. They also advised groundsman to continue to maintain their grounds for the resumption of cricket.

I first thought that the Government would make a big issue on the transmission likely to happen due to everyone touching the cricket ball but this didn’t seem to be so serious in their guidelines . They have banned saliva and sweat on the ball though
 
Let's not talk as if both teams will play this series out of the goodness of their hearts. There are financial implications for both and we want England to tour Pakistan eventually. Although Micheal Atherton doesn't have any sources within the ECB so would wait to see before thinking that is a definite want from the PCB.

Both teams would like the series to happen for sporting and financial reasons. Our fans are mocking India and Australia for wanting the series to happen. ECB and PCB also want the series to happen for some financial gain. I don't have an issue with that as people don't understand that the revenue goes to keep people in jobs and other administrative stuff we don't see. It's just our fans are coming across as hypocrites.

Also don't understand why Nasser sucks up to us so much. If he made such comments for Indian cricket, yall would be saying he wants a IPL gigg.

Another thing is if people watched the interview before Nas made the comment, the chief of West Indies cricket was talking to Nas,Atherton, and Ian Ward. He said the that the revenue from the TV rights when West Indies play is 40 percent of their revenue. This is something which Nasser Hussain heard and seems as though people haven't watched the programme and only heard the OP comments. The relevance of this fact is that West Indies will be desperate for the series against England to be played as they need the revenue.

So can we stop thinking that us and West Indies are not as desperate as England for the series to happen. We need revenue just as much as the ECB. And other than Micheal Atherton having a guess, I have not heard from anywhere credible that PCB will use a bargaining chip that if they tour that England will have to tour next year. Atherton just made a prediction. He doesn't have any sources in the ECB as I said earlier.
 
When it's a matter of life and death, spirit and niceties go out of the equation.

UK has the second highest death numbers from Covid-19 at the moment and for Pakistani cricketers to go there is high-risk and dangerous.

The PCB needs to be professional, pleasant, but at the same time it's an ideal opportunity to get some sort of agreement from the ECB to tour Pakistan in return.


It is high risk and without appropriate safety precautions PCB should not go. I think long term, it is actually better just to build good will here, rather than demand a quid pro quo. Corona uncertainty notwithstanding, pretty confident England is going to tour anyway. WK in charge, MCC tour came through, Bang, Sri Lanka. If he goes over to England during the tour, he can easily discuss it then and have built good will.
 
There's 0 chance of the ECB signing anything that contractually obliges them to tour, it'd put too much liability on them.

Then tough. The ECB are dishonest and have stabbed Pakistan as a cricketing nation in the back before. The ECB has more to lose if theres no tour. Like I said, the PCB have an upper hand...for once.
 
Then tough. The ECB are dishonest and have stabbed Pakistan as a cricketing nation in the back before. The ECB has more to lose if theres no tour. Like I said, the PCB have an upper hand...for once.

And with any luck the PCB will actually look to use that upper hand and not throw it away (causing detriment to themselves as well) seeking completely unrealistic contractual agreements as you want them to.
 
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Let's not talk as if both teams will play this series out of the goodness of their hearts. There are financial implications for both and we want England to tour Pakistan eventually. Although Micheal Atherton doesn't have any sources within the ECB so would wait to see before thinking that is a definite want from the PCB.

Both teams would like the series to happen for sporting and financial reasons. Our fans are mocking India and Australia for wanting the series to happen. ECB and PCB also want the series to happen for some financial gain. I don't have an issue with that as people don't understand that the revenue goes to keep people in jobs and other administrative stuff we don't see. It's just our fans are coming across as hypocrites.

Also don't understand why Nasser sucks up to us so much. If he made such comments for Indian cricket, yall would be saying he wants a IPL gigg.

Another thing is if people watched the interview before Nas made the comment, the chief of West Indies cricket was talking to Nas,Atherton, and Ian Ward. He said the that the revenue from the TV rights when West Indies play is 40 percent of their revenue. This is something which Nasser Hussain heard and seems as though people haven't watched the programme and only heard the OP comments. The relevance of this fact is that West Indies will be desperate for the series against England to be played as they need the revenue.

So can we stop thinking that us and West Indies are not as desperate as England for the series to happen. We need revenue just as much as the ECB. And other than Micheal Atherton having a guess, I have not heard from anywhere credible that PCB will use a bargaining chip that if they tour that England will have to tour next year. Atherton just made a prediction. He doesn't have any sources in the ECB as I said earlier.

India - Australia situation is different from Pakistan-England. Australia talked about forgoing the T20 WC and other billateral FTP arrangements in order to get India to tour. Pakistan was already originally scheduled to tour England
 
India - Australia situation is different from Pakistan-England. Australia talked about forgoing the T20 WC and other billateral FTP arrangements in order to get India to tour. Pakistan was already originally scheduled to tour England

India too are scheduled to tour Australia according to the FTP.
 
It's a really interesting situation.

A few points to consider:

1. The PCB is majorly bailing out ECB here by agreeing to tour since it will mean the ECB can recover some of the money lost due to COVID this summer

2. The ECB will never sign a contract saying they will definitely tour Pakistan as a return for Pakistan touring England this summer. At the most it will help build good relationships but at the end of the day security and financial gains will be the main driver behind ECB deciding to tour Pakistan or not

3. In many ways the players from both team are way safer and way better off playing cricket whilst being secluded to their hotels in isolation, away from the public and under constant medical surveillance. Of course mentally it will be a challenge, however from a physical health point of view they will be getting a lot more medical attention then the common man on the street or compared to if they are not on tour.

4. The main risk here is for the "support staff". I mean the hotel workers, the journalists, the caterers, the groundsmen, the security personnel etc. These are the people who will be expected to return to their day job without anywhere near as much security as the players/management on tour.
 
Let's not talk as if both teams will play this series out of the goodness of their hearts. There are financial implications for both and we want England to tour Pakistan eventually. Although Micheal Atherton doesn't have any sources within the ECB so would wait to see before thinking that is a definite want from the PCB.

Both teams would like the series to happen for sporting and financial reasons. Our fans are mocking India and Australia for wanting the series to happen. ECB and PCB also want the series to happen for some financial gain. I don't have an issue with that as people don't understand that the revenue goes to keep people in jobs and other administrative stuff we don't see. It's just our fans are coming across as hypocrites.

Also don't understand why Nasser sucks up to us so much. If he made such comments for Indian cricket, yall would be saying he wants a IPL gigg.

Another thing is if people watched the interview before Nas made the comment, the chief of West Indies cricket was talking to Nas,Atherton, and Ian Ward. He said the that the revenue from the TV rights when West Indies play is 40 percent of their revenue. This is something which Nasser Hussain heard and seems as though people haven't watched the programme and only heard the OP comments. The relevance of this fact is that West Indies will be desperate for the series against England to be played as they need the revenue.

So can we stop thinking that us and West Indies are not as desperate as England for the series to happen. We need revenue just as much as the ECB. And other than Micheal Atherton having a guess, I have not heard from anywhere credible that PCB will use a bargaining chip that if they tour that England will have to tour next year. Atherton just made a prediction. He doesn't have any sources in the ECB as I said earlier.

This is utterly incorrect, the West Indies (nor Pakistan for that matter) will get no share of the revenue from the series held in England. All boards generally only incur administrative costs for away tours. This is the malaise behind the current financial disparity in international cricket.
 
I hope india cancel the english tour as we don't need their help nor do we need to help them. There is nothing to gain from touring England.

Pakistani players would benefit from touring England because lot of them actually play in county and so they need to do them a favour.

England shouldn't be amongst the big 3 anyway. India, australia and either pakistan or n.z should form the big 3.
England would never reciprocate by touring pakistan. Mark my words. So just ignore them and stop being so desperate my dear Pakistanis.
 
There's 0 chance of the ECB signing anything that contractually obliges them to tour, it'd put too much liability on them.

So why the desperation for Wasim Khan to risk the lives of his players and officials when touring England.

Hope he's not just doing it for a pat on the back from ECB.
 
India - Australia situation is different from Pakistan-England. Australia talked about forgoing the T20 WC and other billateral FTP arrangements in order to get India to tour. Pakistan was already originally scheduled to tour England

Do you even know the difference between hosting one nation and 12?

The logistics issues, the safety protocol not to mention Govt approval. It is no brainer that ICC WT20 should be postponed( we have one more scheduled for next year anyway).

Lastly, do you have a source that states it was CA that cancelled the WT20(not sure if it’s officially cancelled yet), and not ICC or Australian Govt?
 
And with any luck the PCB will actually look to use that upper hand and not throw it away (causing detriment to themselves as well) seeking completely unrealistic contractual agreements as you want them to.

Why do you think it is unrealistic?
 
Why do you think it is unrealistic?

Because like I said the liability on the ECB entering a binding agreement like that would be too much.

If some kind of serious security situation does occur when the England team are visiting Pakistan after many years of refusing to visit questions will be asked of why the ECB decided to change their mind and tour. If that situation did occur they need to be able to say they sent their security team over to assess the situation prior to the tour and found the situation had improved and they deemed it suitable to tour. Not that they made the decision based on a deal they made a couple of years back and didn't have much choice not to visit.
 
Because like I said the liability on the ECB entering a binding agreement like that would be too much.

If some kind of serious security situation does occur when the England team are visiting Pakistan after many years of refusing to visit questions will be asked of why the ECB decided to change their mind and tour. If that situation did occur they need to be able to say they sent their security team over to assess the situation prior to the tour and found the situation had improved and they deemed it suitable to tour. Not that they made the decision based on a deal they made a couple of years back and didn't have much choice not to visit.

None of that is "unrealistic". You act as if the PCB doesn't hold all the cards. The ECB is already set to lose hundreds of millions this season, they need Pakistan more than any board has ever needed a tour at any point in recent history (including the WI agreeing to tour).

I've never been a fan of small mentalities and in Pakistan there is too much of it. That's just my take.
 
None of that is "unrealistic". You act as if the PCB doesn't hold all the cards. The ECB is already set to lose hundreds of millions this season, they need Pakistan more than any board has ever needed a tour at any point in recent history (including the WI agreeing to tour).

I've never been a fan of small mentalities and in Pakistan there is too much of it. That's just my take.

It's very clearly unrealistic to expect the ECB to expose themselves to that high a liability.

If the PCB decide they're able and willing to tour but decide not to because the ECB won't contractually agree to tour Pakistan then it's pretty reasonable that the ECB will line up another country to tour. On the other hand the PCB will potentially be financially crippled by the fact they'd now not only be on poor terms with their most potentially lucrative touring partner, but their top 2 most lucrative potential touring partners.
 
If the PCB play their cards right they can milk this situation to their advantage in the future by getting England to tour Pakistan. That said, giving public statements about things that aren't final and dealing with the ECB essentially how the PCB dealt with BCB will not help. Also, ECB cannot be forced into getting England to tour Pakistan.
 
So why the desperation for Wasim Khan to risk the lives of his players and officials when touring England.

Hope he's not just doing it for a pat on the back from ECB.

Sooner or later, most teams will start doing this. Cricket, and all sports at some point will have to adjust with this pandemic. India have already stated their intent to tour Australia. If a T20 WC happens, it will happen under the same circumstances. Why should we miss out on our most important test series of the year?
 
Sooner or later, most teams will start doing this. Cricket, and all sports at some point will have to adjust with this pandemic. India have already stated their intent to tour Australia. If a T20 WC happens, it will happen under the same circumstances. Why should we miss out on our most important test series of the year?

As I wrote, I don't mind PCB agreeing to touring England, but they need to ensure they aren't used by ECB and then thrown away like a piece of garbage.
 
The question though is, in the event that this summer is a non starter and no cricket happens, what will happen next summer?

Will things get pushed by a year? As in Pakistan get invited next summer and whatever team scheduled to play next summer will be pushed to the following year.
 
England to use 'contact cluster' plan to put on summer Test series

England’s plan to stage international cricket this summer involves hiving off players from contact with other personnel at the ground and forming exclusive “contact clusters” to reduce the risk of Covid-19 sweeping through the camp.

Under detailed plans seen by the Observer, the proposed series against West Indies and Pakistan in July and August will be staged behind closed doors at “bio-secure” venues that are split into zones, with movement between these kept to a minimum.

Players and support staff will make up what is known as a “functional area” – one of a number of such groups working on site – and have the option to create smaller social pods within this called “contact clusters” that allow individuals to further relax in the company of others who have committed to it.

It means, as well as regular testing for coronavirus and daily screening for symptoms, the enlarged 30-man squads will need to stay mindful of how they move around and interact with others during an extended spell living at either the Ageas Bowl or Old Trafford, the two Test grounds with hotels on site.

Such extreme lengths to put on matches highlights the desperate need to get cricket on screens this summer and prevent the England and Wales Cricket Board suffering a devastating financial loss. But there is growing optimism the two sets of Test tourists are willing to make the journey and put their players in such extreme lockdown conditions.

Further talks with Cricket West Indies are due to take place on Monday, while an initial conference call with the Pakistan board on Friday, which included the head coaches Misbah-ul-Haq and Chris Silverwood, has reportedly resulted in Pakistan committing to three Tests and three Twenty20 matches.

There remain myriad details to work through before the ECB can get government approval, and the proposed tours will ultimately hinge on how the national picture looks in the coming weeks as lockdown measures in the UK begin to be relaxed.

The International Cricket Council must rule on whether players who have completed quarantine periods and cleared all testing can apply saliva to the ball. If not, some form of legalised ball-tampering may be required.

Drafted by the ECB’s science and medicine team, an introductory outline circulated to the counties explains the process of a return for professional cricket that, from Wednesday, will see the first of 30 England players report back for individual training under phase one. But it also lays out the principles of how a bio-secure venue may operate on match day.

After phase two, where training is permitted to take place in small groups, players and support staff from both sides would enter an “island site” – a cricket ground with a hotel – for phase three and, following initial testing for coronavirus, they will then live and train on site but only within strictly designated zones.

Ashley Giles, England’s cricket director, has confirmed they are looking at ways England’s players can leave and re-enter the so-called “bubble” given a block of nine weeks away from friends and family that covers preparation time, practice games and the six proposed Tests, starting at Hampshire’s Ageas Bowl on 8 July.

However when the squad is together in the ground and part of a regular testing and screening programme it forms what is called a “functional area”, one of a number of separate personnel groups that also include venue staff, the ECB events team, groundstaff, broadcasters/media and match officials within an overall headcount of around 300.

hese FAs must each stick to their designated zones within the hotel and stadium and though two such groups may find themselves down to operate in the same zone at times – for example players and ground staff on the outfield before the start of a match – contact between them must be kept to an absolute minimum.

The system is designed to create clearly defined distance between FAs and, in theory, prevent the spread of Covid-19 should it penetrate the ground. Perhaps the most intriguing element of the plan is the concept of “contact clusters”, where individuals within an FA group can create their own exclusive sub-group.

The principle here is that individuals within a “contact cluster” avoid anything but essential contact with those outside of it and so can relax within what is called “a circle of trust”. How this applies to the social dynamics of two playing squads that will both be up to 30 cricketers-strong remains to be seen.

While the introductory document states an intention to create isolation areas for individuals who become ill, as well as exit strategies and contact tracing, a full medical protocol for how a possible outbreak may be tackled has not yet been shared and will be crucial to receiving sign-off from the government.

England’s players have had a number of the details above explained to them already – one told the Observer it was “mind-blowing” – but much will hinge on convincing West Indies, the first set of tourists, they will be safe to leave the relatively untouched Caribbean to fly to one of the pandemic’s hotspots.

Giles has already admitted the plans have a number of “pinch points” that need fully ironing out before they can be put back to the government, while the bill for creating these bio-secure venues and flying two touring teams into the country on charter flights will run well into seven figures.

However with the ECB facing losses of £380m in the event of no cricket being staged this summer – and six Tests worth an estimated £120m in broadcast revenues – the governing body is throwing every possible resource at getting international cricket back on television.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...act-cluster-plan-to-put-on-summer-test-series
 
This is utterly incorrect, the West Indies (nor Pakistan for that matter) will get no share of the revenue from the series held in England. All boards generally only incur administrative costs for away tours. This is the malaise behind the current financial disparity in international cricket.

There will be some financial gain for the PCB and WICB. They aren't playing the series for free. That's my point.
 
India - Australia situation is different from Pakistan-England. Australia talked about forgoing the T20 WC and other billateral FTP arrangements in order to get India to tour. Pakistan was already originally scheduled to tour England

Australia are talking about not playing the World T20 because it will be unfair to have 16 teams travel from all areas in the world and quarantine them.

Hosting a bilateral series is more realistic.
 
Some of you guys have funny ideas about how to conduct diplomacy.

Wasim Khan is right to play up talk of solidarity and uniting in the face of a common threat in public, and play down any talk of quid pro quo.

Of course though, he will be pressing ECB in private that PCB will not bend over backwards to save their home summer without some assurance about touring Pakistan in the winter of 2021.

Whereas previous administrators like Ijaz Butt would've let the cat out of the bag and publicly demanded a quid pro quo, destroying the relationship.
 
Let's not talk as if both teams will play this series out of the goodness of their hearts. There are financial implications for both and we want England to tour Pakistan eventually. Although Micheal Atherton doesn't have any sources within the ECB so would wait to see before thinking that is a definite want from the PCB.

Both teams would like the series to happen for sporting and financial reasons. Our fans are mocking India and Australia for wanting the series to happen. ECB and PCB also want the series to happen for some financial gain. I don't have an issue with that as people don't understand that the revenue goes to keep people in jobs and other administrative stuff we don't see. It's just our fans are coming across as hypocrites.

Also don't understand why Nasser sucks up to us so much. If he made such comments for Indian cricket, yall would be saying he wants a IPL gigg.

Another thing is if people watched the interview before Nas made the comment, the chief of West Indies cricket was talking to Nas,Atherton, and Ian Ward. He said the that the revenue from the TV rights when West Indies play is 40 percent of their revenue. This is something which Nasser Hussain heard and seems as though people haven't watched the programme and only heard the OP comments. The relevance of this fact is that West Indies will be desperate for the series against England to be played as they need the revenue.

So can we stop thinking that us and West Indies are not as desperate as England for the series to happen. We need revenue just as much as the ECB. And other than Micheal Atherton having a guess, I have not heard from anywhere credible that PCB will use a bargaining chip that if they tour that England will have to tour next year. Atherton just made a prediction. He doesn't have any sources in the ECB as I said earlier.
I listened to the same interview and that's not what Johnny Grave said. He said ICC contributions make up 40% of West Indies' revenue.

He was making the point that the problem West Indies have is they don't have a lucrative native broadcaster like the Big Three do, therefore receive far less in broadcasting rights revenues.

Also teams do not gain any revenues for away series. They no longer collect a touring fee.

The problem England have is if they lose their home summer, they face losses of up to £380m hence why they're desperate to get some cricket on the television screens. Unlike most nations, England make a lot of money from Test cricket - and each Test this summer is worth about £20m in broadcast fees. And ECB revenues props up the majority of England's 18 First Class counties so an abandonment of the home summer would be catastrophic right down the system, especially having burned so much of their reserves on The Hundred.

Hope that clears things up.
 
There will be some financial gain for the PCB and WICB. They aren't playing the series for free. That's my point.

Nope, there's no financial gain for away teams during bilateral series. Away boards have to pay the salaries of their players and officials, and also cover part of the travelling and accommodation costs. None of the home board's revenues from TV or ticketing is shared with the away board. It seems from the WICB and PCB respective stances that they are only going ahead with this tour in the hope that the ECB reciprocates in the future.
 
Ask yourselves if the shoe was on the other foot and Pakistan was in the situation UK is in, will England come to Pakistan's aid? Never! All this goodwill and compromise only goes one way from former colonial subjects like Pakistan. ECB will not think twice about throwing PCB under the bus again like countless times before the next time PCB requires help and support in difficult times.
 
Ask yourselves if the shoe was on the other foot and Pakistan was in the situation UK is in, will England come to Pakistan's aid? Never! All this goodwill and compromise only goes one way from former colonial subjects like Pakistan. ECB will not think twice about throwing PCB under the bus again like countless times before the next time PCB requires help and support in difficult times.

pretty much. Just let England do what they have to do. All England wants to promote in general would be the ashes. They don't really care much for other tours. I don't see any reason why pakistan should tour them. World doesn't revolve around the substandard ashes series.
No one outside England and australia gives a Damn about the ashes.
ECB doesn't need help nor do they deserve it. They can survive off several ashes tours.
 
Ask yourselves if the shoe was on the other foot and Pakistan was in the situation UK is in, will England come to Pakistan's aid? Never! All this goodwill and compromise only goes one way from former colonial subjects like Pakistan. ECB will not think twice about throwing PCB under the bus again like countless times before the next time PCB requires help and support in difficult times.

And this is why Wasim Khan needs to stand firm and get a firm and proper agreement from the ECB, rather than some sort of possible/may happen type agreement.
 
I hope india cancel the english tour as we don't need their help nor do we need to help them. There is nothing to gain from touring England.

Pakistani players would benefit from touring England because lot of them actually play in county and so they need to do them a favour.

England shouldn't be amongst the big 3 anyway. India, australia and either pakistan or n.z should form the big 3.
England would never reciprocate by touring pakistan. Mark my words. So just ignore them and stop being so desperate my dear Pakistanis.

OK your words have been marked. Unless corona situation continues to worsen and teams are not touring because of that, I am pretty sure England will tour Pakistan. They will not make excuses about terrorism or anything like that and if corona had not happened, the tour would be a certainty pretty much.

Pakistan does not have the money that India does, but in cricketing circles, we have kudos for our historical talent and passion for the game. It is soft power. So you are right. Pakistan has to make best use of its soft power to diplomatically build relationships wit all other boards and make progress in getting cricket fully back to the country.

We can definitely have a self-sustaining cricketing infrastructure. Money coming in from PSL and soon departments, as well as tours in Pakistan and we will be fine. Actually, financially, PCB is already fine for the next 12 months without any tours or revenue.

But I would rather my team stood for the cricketing fraternity and helping other teams out, rather than chest thumping on the sidelines and protecting their own interest at the expense of expanding the global game and the cricketing community.
 
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OK your words have been marked. Unless corona situation continues to worsen and teams are not touring because of that, I am pretty sure England will tour Pakistan. They will not make excuses about terrorism or anything like that and if corona had not happened, the tour would be a certainty pretty much.

Pakistan does not have the money that India does, but in cricketing circles, we have kudos for our historical talent and passion for the game. It is soft power. So you are right. Pakistan has to make best use of its soft power to diplomatically build relationships wit all other boards and make progress in getting cricket fully back to the country.

We can definitely have a self-sustaining cricketing infrastructure. Money coming in from PSL and soon departments, as well as tours in Pakistan and we will be fine. Actually, financially, PCB is already fine for the next 12 months without any tours or revenue.

But I would rather my team stood for the cricketing fraternity and helping other teams out, rather than chest thumping on the sidelines and protecting their own interest at the expense of expanding the global game and the cricketing community.

What money does India have bro? Countless articles of BCCI desperation coming out. They depend solely on IPL taking place and if it doesn’t take place one year, they seem to be in serious financial trouble. So I wouldn’t be so sure about India’s financial power right now.
 
pretty much. Just let England do what they have to do. All England wants to promote in general would be the ashes. They don't really care much for other tours. I don't see any reason why pakistan should tour them. World doesn't revolve around the substandard ashes series.
No one outside England and australia gives a Damn about the ashes.
ECB doesn't need help nor do they deserve it. They can survive off several ashes tours.

They don’t care as much but the English Test fans know the history of other cricket nations and there is always an anticipation of playing teams like West Indies and Pakistan. These are actually very interesting tours for proper fans of Test Cricket. Pakistan is very well known of decimating England in certain sessions within every Test match, they are not a boring team.
 
dont see england touring pak in full in 21 either way, expect an A team tour maybe in late 21 at the most.
 
Theres probably more pakistani and west Indian cricket fans in England than English ones
No suprise there

Although if its closed doors it defeats the purpose a little
 
They don’t care as much but the English Test fans know the history of other cricket nations and there is always an anticipation of playing teams like West Indies and Pakistan. These are actually very interesting tours for proper fans of Test Cricket. Pakistan is very well known of decimating England in certain sessions within every Test match, they are not a boring team.

Honestly I doubt they would reciprocate by touring pakistan in return hence I seem it unnecessary to help them.
England is perhaps only attractive to nations that love to earn a living via county which is fine by me.

from an Indian perspective, an English tour means does not benefit india whatsoever as Indians seldom every play county apart from a few odd players.

I can understand it's different for a Pakistani side who have multiple players representing a county team.
 
They don’t care as much but the English Test fans know the history of other cricket nations and there is always an anticipation of playing teams like West Indies and Pakistan. These are actually very interesting tours for proper fans of Test Cricket. Pakistan is very well known of decimating England in certain sessions within every Test match, they are not a boring team.

If this is the case, ICC should be able to dictate terms and run things. But that has not been the case, and seriously doubt will be going forward. The ICC always seems to be afraid of the BCCI. There has to be a reason for this.

Not to mention CA with all this talk about an India tour. You know that most other boards are not far behind.

Something doesn't add up.
 
OK your words have been marked. Unless corona situation continues to worsen and teams are not touring because of that, I am pretty sure England will tour Pakistan. They will not make excuses about terrorism or anything like that and if corona had not happened, the tour would be a certainty pretty much.

Pakistan does not have the money that India does, but in cricketing circles, we have kudos for our historical talent and passion for the game. It is soft power. So you are right. Pakistan has to make best use of its soft power to diplomatically build relationships wit all other boards and make progress in getting cricket fully back to the country.

We can definitely have a self-sustaining cricketing infrastructure. Money coming in from PSL and soon departments, as well as tours in Pakistan and we will be fine. Actually, financially, PCB is already fine for the next 12 months without any tours or revenue.

But I would rather my team stood for the cricketing fraternity and helping other teams out, rather than chest thumping on the sidelines and protecting their own interest at the expense of expanding the global game and the cricketing community.

Oh we do help them plenty in india. Poms come to india and grovel around for an ipl contract.

As for expanding cricket, we are doing plenty already with teams like Nepal and Afghanistan having a free pass to play in indian stadiums.
 
Theres probably more pakistani and west Indian cricket fans in England than English ones
No suprise there

Although if its closed doors it defeats the purpose a little

There is still money to be made via Sky and BT sports

If I’m honest, I don’t see how they cannot have fans sitting in social distancing groups. Family ticket enclosures. Stadiums would be full in far less capacity but we still watch boring Test matches taking place in New Zealand where a few guys are just sitting on the hills. Things will ease up hopefully by August
 
There is still money to be made via Sky and BT sports

If I’m honest, I don’t see how they cannot have fans sitting in social distancing groups. Family ticket enclosures. Stadiums would be full in far less capacity but we still watch boring Test matches taking place in New Zealand where a few guys are just sitting on the hills. Things will ease up hopefully by August

I doubt it
They can't risk full packed stadia in August during covid

They will probably just let in family members and journalists
 
I doubt it
They can't risk full packed stadia in August during covid

They will probably just let in family members and journalists
Not full

But I don’t see anything wrong in selling tickets to multiple people of one household (families of 4-8) and keeping safe distances between seating areas.

Also, two people can also buy tickets but need to keep 2M distance, that’s a 3 seat gap (so 5 tickets). There is ticket revenue to be made here as long as they want to
 
Not full

But I don’t see anything wrong in selling tickets to multiple people of one household (families of 4-8) and keeping safe distances between seating areas.

Also, two people can also buy tickets but need to keep 2M distance, that’s a 3 seat gap (so 5 tickets). There is ticket revenue to be made here as long as they want to

It this was seriously being considered we would have seen it in the bundesliga this weekened
 
It this was seriously being considered we would have seen it in the bundesliga this weekened
They are in Early stages of reopening. I recon England will play all of the West Indies tour behind closed doors but may start experimenting by the end of it, and look to improvise by the Pak Tests.

Even 1000 spectators (family oriented) would make it seem like a Test match taking place in New Zealand. Some kind of Atmosphere is better than no atmosphere
 
They are in Early stages of reopening. I recon England will play all of the West Indies tour behind closed doors but may start experimenting by the end of it, and look to improvise by the Pak Tests.

Even 1000 spectators (family oriented) would make it seem like a Test match taking place in New Zealand. Some kind of Atmosphere is better than no atmosphere

Not sure how you would supervise toilet breaks and players near boundaries etc
 
Not sure how you would supervise toilet breaks and players near boundaries etc

I think each stand has its own toilet enclosure. If all stands have maybe 20-40 people only, it won’t be difficult to monitor them like they do at supermarkets (allowing 3-6 people in at the most per time).

The front 4 rows should be Out of access completely. So there is no question of even trying to get close to players
 
So [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] , I think the main pressure points would be around entering, exiting the stadiums, toilet and concessions breaks that fans take plus what they do during the lunch and tea intervals. Plus how to manage them during rain breaks.

Look, I would love to see fans back, but what I described is a lot of hassle for getting 1000 people into a 30000 people stadium. I'd like to see around 5000 people allowed in. However the stewards around the ground will have to be like drill sergeants to control the fans movements. And i dont know how their shouting, directing fan traffic in the stands will carry over to the field of play. A lot of things to think about for the ECB
 
Not full

But I don’t see anything wrong in selling tickets to multiple people of one household (families of 4-8) and keeping safe distances between seating areas.

Also, two people can also buy tickets but need to keep 2M distance, that’s a 3 seat gap (so 5 tickets). There is ticket revenue to be made here as long as they want to

The ticket revenue is insured so I personally can't see them allowing crowds at any international games this summer.

If they did try it with limited crowds then to maintain 2m spacing you could probably only sell alternate rows and allow 2 household groups per row so they can each get out at one end without coming into close contact with another group.
 
So [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] , I think the main pressure points would be around entering, exiting the stadiums, toilet and concessions breaks that fans take plus what they do during the lunch and tea intervals. Plus how to manage them during rain breaks.

Look, I would love to see fans back, but what I described is a lot of hassle for getting 1000 people into a 30000 people stadium. I'd like to see around 5000 people allowed in. However the stewards around the ground will have to be like drill sergeants to control the fans movements. And i dont know how their shouting, directing fan traffic in the stands will carry over to the field of play. A lot of things to think about for the ECB

Agreed. A lot of effort is required, but there needs to be a starting point. There is no chance of a switch type situation where 30k fans will be re-allowed into grounds next year. Slow and steady steps can be taken with effort and providing much needed job opportunity to stewards and catering companies.

My point is, the Tests against West Indies should be behind closed doors, barring maybe day 3 and 4 of the 3rd Test in which they experiment a very small scale reopening. A lot of the fear and perception of Covid should also diminish by mid-late July as the government would also be looking to ease up on the entertainment industry shut down.

They can continue to improvise daily by the Pakistan Tests and continue this process all the way into September 2021 by which we could hopefully see 30,000 fans once again on Day 1-4 at the Oval.
 
Oh we do help them plenty in india. Poms come to india and grovel around for an ipl contract.

As for expanding cricket, we are doing plenty already with teams like Nepal and Afghanistan having a free pass to play in indian stadiums.

Yes, the three of you like to help each other, we know. I was talking about the global game. Let’s take it to the olympics?
 
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