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Irresponsible behaviour in the name of religion during a time of crisis

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Should religious leaders and organisers be held accountable for defying official health advice?

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Worshippers slept in packed tents outside the golden-domed mosque, waking before dawn to kneel on rows of prayer mats laid out in its cavernous central hall.

But unknown to the guests, the coronavirus was also passing among them.

The Muslim gathering held at the end of last month at a sprawling mosque complex on the outskirts of Malaysia's capital Kuala Lumpur has emerged as a source of hundreds of new coronavirus infections spanning Southeast Asia.

A 34-year-old Malaysian man who attended the event died on Tuesday, Malaysia's Minister of Health Dr Adham Baba said, the first death linked to the February 27 to March 1 event, which took place at the Sri Petaling mosque compound.

It was attended by 16,000 people, including 1,500 foreigners.

Out of Malaysia's 673 confirmed coronavirus cases, nearly two-thirds are linked to the four-day meeting, Adham said. It is not clear who brought the virus there in the first place.

Reuters news agency spoke to six attendees and reviewed pictures and posts on social media and the accounts and evidence showed several ways in which the outbreak could have spread.

The hosts, the Islamic missionary movement Tablighi Jamaat, which traces its roots back to India a century ago, on Monday suspended missionary activities but did not comment directly on the Malaysian event.

Tablighi Jamaat did not respond to a request for further comment.

The mosque where the event was held was closed on Tuesday and a guest said he was one of the dozens of worshippers still there under quarantine. Calls to the mosque went unanswered.

'The belief is strong'
Malaysia has shut its borders, restricted internal movement and closed schools, universities and most businesses, as it attempts to control its coronavirus outbreak. All mosques will be closed for two weeks.

"I was very surprised actually that it went ahead," said Surachet Wae-asae, a former Thai legislator who attended the event but has tested negative for the coronavirus since returning home.

"But in Malaysia, God is very important. The belief is strong."

The prime minister's office and the health ministry declined to comment further about the event.

The packed gathering, where guests had to take shuttle buses to sleep at other venues, was attended by nationals from dozens of countries, including Canada, Nigeria, India and Australia, according to an attendee list posted on social media.

There were also people from China and South Korea - two countries with high rates of coronavirus infections.

'Shoulder-to-shoulder'
Social media posts show hundreds of worshippers praying shoulder-to-shoulder inside the mosque, while some guests posted selfies as they shared food.

It was not clear how many guests were residents of Malaysia, but cases linked to the gathering are popping up daily across Southeast Asia.

"We sat close to each other," a 30-year-old Cambodian man who attended the event told Reuters news agency from a hospital in Cambodia's Battambang province, where he was being treated after testing positive for the coronavirus on Monday.

"Holding hands at the religious ceremony was done with people of many countries. When I met people, I held hands, it was normal. I don't know who I was infected by," he said, asking not to be named due to fears of discrimination at his mosque.

None of the event leaders talked about washing hands, the coronavirus or health precautions during the event, but most guests washed their hands regularly, two guests said. Washing hands, among other parts of the body, is part of Muslim worship.

Another attendee from Cambodia said guests from different countries shared plates when meals were served.

Worries of far-reaching infections
Only half of the Malaysian participants who attended have come forward for testing, the health minister has said, raising fears that the outbreak from the mosque could be more far-reaching.

Brunei has confirmed 50 cases linked to the mosque gathering, out of a total of 56 cases. Singapore has announced five linked to the event, Cambodia 13 and Thailand at least two.

Vietnam, the Philippines and Indonesia, which had nearly 700 of their citizens attend, are all investigating.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...nt-virus-hotspot-se-asia-200318021302367.html
 
Tens of thousands of people gathered in Bangladesh for a mass prayer session on Wednesday, amid fears that it could lead to a wider outbreak.

Local police chief Tota Miah told AFP news agency that 10,000 Muslims had gathered in Raipur town to pray "healing verses" from the Koran.

But some eyewitnesses told the BBC the figure was closer to 30,000.

It comes as a religious event in Malaysia was confirmed as the source of more than 500 local infections there.

The event, which was attended by 16,000 people, has also led to infections in neighbouring Brunei, Singapore and Cambodia.

Malaysia's government later banned all public gatherings in the country and locked down its borders to prevent the further spread of the virus.

A similar mass religious gathering in Indonesia, due to be held later this week, has now been cancelled for fear that a similar outbreak could take place.

Prayer and protection
The religious event at Raipur in Lakshmipur district came as Bangladesh confirmed its first death due to the virus.

Some 17 people in the country have tested positive so far, although many experts are sceptical over the official figures.

Mr Miah said organisers did not get permission from the authorities to hold the event - though such local gatherings in Bangladesh often do not rely on getting official permits.

BBC Bengali's correspondent Akbar Hossain spoke to locals who said the event was organised by a religious leader who held a certain amount of "influence" in the small town.

He urged people to join him in praying for protection from the virus, and after the event, told people that they would now be "free from the coronavirus".

Our correspondent says that the southern part of Bangladesh is more religious, with people there "passionately believing that Islamic sermons and prayer are able to solve their problems".

According to the Dhaka Tribune newspaper, the prayers performed were that of the Six Quranic Verses of Healing.

Mass outbreak fears
In Indonesia, a mass religious gathering due to be held over three days, 19-22 March, has been cancelled.

Authorities had for days tried to persuade organisers not to go ahead with the event, for fear that it would lead to a mass outbreak in cases.

On Thursday, organisers finally agreed to cancel, but by that time, around 10,000 people - 474 of them people from abroad - had already made their way to Gowa, a regency in the Indonesian province of South Sulawesi, for the event.

Provincial authorities told local media outlets that there were plans to "quarantine" foreign nationals in local hotels for 14 days. They also said they were reaching out to officials in other provinces to make sure the local participants would be quarantined upon their return home.

None of the participants have so far been confirmed to have the virus, but the country now has a national total of 309 confirmed cases, with 25 deaths.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51956510
 
How about you point out the irresponsible behaviour of people out partying when this virus was at its peak in Europe?
 
How about you point out the irresponsible behaviour of people out partying when this virus was at its peak in Europe?

That peak in Europe is now and it is still peaking. Do you know of any parties or nightclubs with 30,000 people in attendance at a single event?

And this is not a rant against Islam only. I strongly condone what happened in South Korea with the outbreak at the Shincheonji Church where leaders did not cooperate early and are culpable for several hundreds of deaths. They have the blood of the deceased on their hands.
 
Highly irresponsible behaviour by the maulvis. A temporary ban on large social gatherings won’t hurt Islam.
 
That peak in Europe is now and it is still peaking. Do you know of any parties or nightclubs with 30,000 people in attendance at a single event?

And this is not a rant against Islam only. I strongly condone what happened in South Korea with the outbreak at the Shincheonji Church where leaders did not cooperate early and are culpable for several hundreds of deaths. They have the blood of the deceased on their hands.

There was this Smurf march in France, some people celebrated St Patricks day in the US despite the risk recently and people on spring break are refusing to go home.
 
Highly irresponsible behaviour by the maulvis. A temporary ban on large social gatherings won’t hurt Islam.

if someone is feared then they should not go. No body is forcing anyone to go. If i go outside now its my choice or if i stay home it is my choice as well. do not blame Ulamas all the time.
 
Irresponsible behaviour all around.
These so called mullahs in the east and panic buying in the west.
Sums up the lack of humanity in this world.
 
Highly irresponsible behaviour by the maulvis. A temporary ban on large social gatherings won’t hurt Islam.

It shouldn't be left up to maulvis, the govts of the respective countries should be imposing curfews and closing all places of worship during this crisis.
 
It shouldn't be left up to maulvis, the govts of the respective countries should be imposing curfews and closing all places of worship during this crisis.

Agreed. But you need to convince the maulvis, otherwise prepare for protests and rioting.
 
if someone is feared then they should not go. No body is forcing anyone to go. If i go outside now its my choice or if i stay home it is my choice as well. do not blame Ulamas all the time.

It isn't about personal choice. By going outside and not social distancing yourself, you're putting others at risk for your own unwillingness to do the right thing.
 
My local mosque (one of the largest mosques in Toronto) has suspended Jummah and regular prayers until further notice. Saudis have declared a fatwa that Jummah can be skipped during this outbreak.
 
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My local mosque (one of the largest mosques in Toronto) has suspended Jummah and regular prayers until further notice. Saudis have declared a fatwa that Jummah can be skipped during this outbreak.

This is just common sense. I think everyone is being alarmist with talk of maulvis leading protests, if the govt in those countries put out public announcements I think people will be scared enough of the virus not to argue.
 
Irresponsible behaviour all around.
These so called mullahs in the east and panic buying in the west.
Sums up the lack of humanity in this world.

Apparently there was a big stereophonic concert in Wales which attracted thousands too
 
Religions have stronger hold than science over many people.

Science has a stronger hold over reality than religions.
 
Gaza Imam celebrates Coronavirus as 'Soldiers of Allah' sent to terrorize US, Italy, Iran etc.

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He boasted about Palestine not having a single case of the virus, but reportedly Palestine got it's first case the next day after this speech.

Sickening.
 
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Same with this Rabbi:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Corona is only for the non Jews (Goyims)....now laugh...."<br><br>It's nauseating....&#55357;&#56865;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID</a> <a href="https://t.co/tneATIa6V4">pic.twitter.com/tneATIa6V4</a></p>— Zaid Hamid (@ZaidZamanHamid) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/1244538755324825603?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Palestine is affected by the virus too.

Palestine has 134 cases (probably more) currently.
 
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