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Is a 5-0 Test series loss inevitable for India now?

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It appears that England bowlers now have the stranglehold on India batsmen. There is no one Indian batsman who has shown the kind of resolve needed to fight it out in English conditions. Of course the exception is V Kohli but as he showed at Lord's - even he is human!

So are we looking at a 5-0 victory margin for England?
 
I guess/want/hope/feel/think that we can win one test match out of next 3 matches. I know things will get only worse from here for batting unless we work hard to improve it.
 
Kohli looks like wont play the next test..so 3-0 at present looks inevitable. I am hearing from my sources, they might call Rohit Sharma after 3rd test.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Kohli looks like wont play the next test..so 3-0 at present looks inevitable. I am hearing from my sources, they might call Rohit Sharma after 3rd test.
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Rohit sharma might come as backup but will he play ahead of Karun Nair who was selected ahead of him and waiting for his selection in xi.
 
Their only hope is a flat pitch with five days of blue skies.

That's it.

Otherwise, if the ball moves a bit everyone except Kohli is a sitting duck.
 
Justcrazy said:
If England prepare pitches with grass , I think they will beat India 5 - 0.
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If its like J'burg (where Pandya becomes as lethal as Rabada) or the Pune (where O'Keefe becomes as good as Ashwin), then India could steal a win. The way England are bowling, they'd prolly take 20 wickets even on a flat track, even if they can't dismiss Kohli (who was dropped twice in Edgbaston).
 
Expect India to win one test but winning in Trent Bridge will be difficult because it does swing and seam viciously there.
 
5-0 or 4-0 rarely ever happen

I only remember 3 in my life. And 2 were Ashes
 
I still think it will be 4-1 or 4-0. Shastri will then proceed to bully the reporters like a tracer bullet.

India will not lose the #1 ranking even with a 5-0 loss so they can go back to beating Sri Lanka and West Indies and pretend all is hunky dory.
 
People are forgetting that all said and done this England batting lineup is very mediocre and arguable as weak as India's.

It is not beyond imagination that England bowlers will have an off-game whereas Indian bowlers will do better
 
I would be shocked at 5-0. Also, how is England going to make money on tos tour if India keeps losing under three days. They need some flatter pitches. Australia understands this quite well.
 
Pete Rose said:
I would be shocked at 5-0. Also, how is England going to make money on tos tour if India keeps losing under three days. They need some flatter pitches. Australia understands this quite well.
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So England should take easy on India for economic reasons ?
 
Trent bridge England generally are very strong so I don’t see India winning there and rose bowl also has some movement for seamers with bounce.

Only the last Test at the Oval where India have more of a chance but again depends on the conditions - generally a flat track but does move around if it’s coudy.

I will go 4-1 to England.
 
Would be good for ICT actually, the way things went down with Kumble , Kohli deserves all the flak coming to him,he cannot runaway from his terrible selection and creating an atmosphere of instability.
 
I dont think there will be a single draw the whole series though

Neither side have enough batting depth to bat long for two innings.

Lol there were literally less than 3 days of cricket in this test
 
Slog said:
I dont think there will be a single draw the whole series though

Neither side have enough batting depth to bat long for two innings.

Lol there were literally less than 3 days of cricket in this test
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Less than 2 actually, about 170 overs all told
 
England batting isn't doing well too. Some trash shots. If they play even 70 percent of their potential then i dont see any other result than 5-0 barring rain.
 
Yeah, no.

England likes to take the foot off pedal when they're ahead. The 3-2 in the last Ashes, the 2-1 vs WI and SA...

They're both poor starters (their first match of the summer is usually rough) and have a tendency towards complacency. Oval is going to be hard, and Rose Bowl is a bit more of a batting track than the two matches we've had.
 
It’s getting extremely embarrassing for India now.

Scores of 180, 107, 130 in 3 out of 4 innings and only multiple dropped catches prevented a 4th tiny score.

Their bowling failed in ideal conditions at Lords also.

Pakistan had a dreadful 2010 tour even apart from the fixing roe. However, they won a test and bowled England out for low scores a few times. They drew some blood and landed some punches. India on the other hand look incredibly outplayed- men v boys.
 
JaDed said:
Would be good for ICT actually, the way things went down with Kumble , Kohli deserves all the flak coming to him,he cannot runaway from his terrible selection and creating an atmosphere of instability.
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The job has gone to his head.He has all the power and has gotten rid of the only person who could stand up to him.

Maybe India wouldn't be in such shambles if Kumble was around to guide the team.
 
Aman said:
The job has gone to his head.He has all the power and has gotten rid of the only person who could stand up to him.

Maybe India wouldn't be in such shambles if Kumble was around to guide the team.
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Yes Kumble was also in the team to have that nice 2007 series win there,surprisingly Dinesh Karthik from Indian side was the highest run scorer in that series,how times have changed,although he was opening that time.
And Kumble only one to score a century that too at Lords.
 
I’m calling it. It’s going to be five zip.
 
MenInG said:
It appears that England bowlers now have the stranglehold on India batsmen. There is no one Indian batsman who has shown the kind of resolve needed to fight it out in English conditions. Of course the exception is V Kohli but as he showed at Lord's - even he is human!

So are we looking at a 5-0 victory margin for England?
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No, because the clouds will march over, the sun will come back out and the Indian batters will feel more at home.
 
I thought it'd be a win or a drawn Indian series before the series started but think it's going to be a heavy loss now. Confidence is shattered. 4-0 or 4-1 is what I expect now.

India are a bit unlucky. First test was close. Second test wasn't but they were rocked by rain which made it harder. Now with 2-0 down, and one of them being such a heavy defeat, it's extremely hard to come back from that.

Sucks really. And I think India missed a trick by not selecting Rohit Sharma. Yes he has his faults, but he has experience in England.
 
England were here for the taking in this series as their batting is pretty average, in saying that now Indian team seems to be here on a fishing trip rather then to play crickets so will end 4-1 now i think.
 
Robert said:
No, because the clouds will march over, the sun will come back out and the Indian batters will feel more at home.
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Check the news buddy, summers over. Thunderstorms expected ahead for the next two months.
 
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ads101 said:
I thought it'd be a win or a drawn Indian series before the series started but think it's going to be a heavy loss now. Confidence is shattered. 4-0 or 4-1 is what I expect now.

India are a bit unlucky. First test was close. Second test wasn't but they were rocked by rain which made it harder. Now with 2-0 down, and one of them being such a heavy defeat, it's extremely hard to come back from that.

Sucks really. And I think India missed a trick by not selecting Rohit Sharma. Yes he has his faults, but he has experience in England.
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Rohit Sharma... really... it seems u didn't see him batting in South African tests..
 
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When a team goes overseas and go down 2-0, the home side usually has irreversible momentum and either 4-1 or 5-0 becomes inevitable as England have experienced in several Ashes down under.

However English batting is brittle so I'll be surprised if they don't shell a Test.
 
I don't think so. First match could have gone either way, India were poor in the 2nd match but things didn't go their way, when they batted conditions were good for bowling, England batted during the best time for batting in this match and also won the toss. If little things like that go India's way, they can definitely push England!
 
England have momentum no doubt , India need to bat really well to be back in the series. Indian batsmen need to get 300 in an innings.
 
hadi123 said:
I don't think so. First match could have gone either way, India were poor in the 2nd match but things didn't go their way, when they batted conditions were good for bowling, England batted during the best time for batting in this match and also won the toss. If little things like that go India's way, they can definitely push England!
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Sometimes its the demons in the mind that destroy confidence. Huge test of character for India now.
 
MenInG said:
Sometimes its the demons in the mind that destroy confidence. Huge test of character for India now.
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That's true but that's why it's called Test cricket. I remember when Pakistan toured England in 2016. Pakistan won the first match at Lord's and then England absolutely thrashed us in the 2nd Test and everyone was saying how we would go on to lose 3-1 from there. Then in the 3rd Test we came back very strongly, dominated that match for the majority of it apart from that collapse on the last day, we all thought then after losing that match we would be demoralized but we went and won the 4th Tesst to level the series! So anything can happen really. Although I won't be surprised if India do rollover again, but I just think people seem so confident that they'll lose 5-0 now.
 
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India need luck(few things to go in their favour) to compete against England whereas England can beat India with or without any luck.
 
Slog said:
5-0 or 4-0 rarely ever happen

I only remember 3 in my life. And 2 were Ashes
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If two were Ashes - then I remember 4.

India’s tour of England in 2011 and India’s tour of Australia in 2011-12.

Basically the last days of India’s Fab 4 :danish
 
India might bounce back like they did in SA. In SA series, the 3rd test victory erased the memories of the previous losses and fans celebrated as if they had won the series.
 
India will need something spectacular to come back and win a test. The loss in this Test was back breaking.
Two of their batters will have to produce something special to bring life into their team.
 
India will have to win all the remaining test matches to win the series which is not going to happen.At best India may win one test.The Oval pitch is good for batting so India may have chance there.Pakistan made a big score at Oval in 2016 and beat England.
 
msb314 said:
If two were Ashes - then I remember 4.

India’s tour of England in 2011 and India’s tour of Australia in 2011-12.

Basically the last days of India’s Fab 4 :danish
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Dnt you remember any tour of england or south africa or australia or new zealand or sri lanka etc in india in even last 15 years. ? Except one series lost to england in india ,india has almost beaten all the teams, whitewashed them single handedly with in 3-4 daysa and india has even lost so many tosses at home as well.
 
India may win at the Oval has it can often be a dry wicket but if the weather stays damp, then they are in trouble. Trent Bridge is next though and Jimmy is just as lethal there, however, the weather is supposed to warm up before then, the pitch may dry and the Indians should be able to bat better....should....
 
barah_admi said:
India may win at the Oval has it can often be a dry wicket but if the weather stays damp, then they are in trouble. Trent Bridge is next though and Jimmy is just as lethal there, however, the weather is supposed to warm up before then, the pitch may dry and the Indians should be able to bat better....should....
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The side effect of this 5 match series away from home is once you lose the first 2 test matches it becomes very difficult to make a comeback. All sorts of issues on and off the field starts popping up. And it doesn't help when 70% of your team isn't performing.
 
This guy Vijay needs to be kicked out. Hafeez looks like Bradman in front of him.
Debut Pant in the next game. I dont like Ashwin in the team. Wish they had Rohit Sharma in the line up.
 
akki said:
Dnt you remember any tour of england or south africa or australia or new zealand or sri lanka etc in india in even last 15 years. ? Except one series lost to england in india ,india has almost beaten all the teams, whitewashed them single handedly with in 3-4 daysa and india has even lost so many tosses at home as well.
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Sorry but I have no idea what you are saying or asking. None of those series were 4-0 or 5-0 defeats.

I was just responding to the Test series that I recall having been lost 4-0 in recent times - outside of Ashes.
 
msb314 said:
Sorry but I have no idea what you are saying or asking. None of those series were 4-0 or 5-0 defeats.

I was just responding to the Test series that I recall having been lost 4-0 in recent times - outside of Ashes.
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England lost 4-0 to India when they visited last.
 
The chances of 5-0 is looking really a possibility. When the Indian team gets on a roll like this, they normally go down faster than we can imagine. 2014 series after doing so well in the first 2 Tests and by the third Test India was the more confident team of the 2. After the 3rd Test loss, the way India capitulated in the final two Tests was alarming. Here the Trent Bridge Test first innings will give us an indication as to how this series is going to pan out. If India put up a fight then we might see a win or at least a draw (which is very unlikely in England). If they falter again, it will be a painful summer for the Indian fans like me.
 
giri26 said:
England lost 4-0 to India when they visited last.
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Oh I see - I stand corrected then :)

But I believe it was not a white wash as originally quoted by [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]
 
I hope that the Indian team puts up a fight instead of just rolling over. Would be a bad advert for test cricket if they lose like they did in the second test.
 
msb314 said:
Oh I see - I stand corrected then :)

But I believe it was not a white wash as originally quoted by [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]
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Australia were 4-0 whitewashed in India 2013.Although Australia did whitewashed India 4-0 in terms of toss won in that series.
 
I was going to say rain might prevent this from happening but then again, England don't need the full five days to win a Test match. :(
 
Looks like India will score big here so 5-0 looking unlikely
 
Obviously 5-0 is a ridiculous statement. It’s very hard to play 5 full matches in uk with the unpredictable weather let alone anything else but I expect the series to be drawn. India shot themselves in the foot by the line up chosen and not giving much time between matches early on but now that they’re switched on they are going to be more of a challenge. I think England should stop playing like it’s LO cricket.
 
It's going to be 3-2. I don't know which team will get the extra win but it's definitely going to be 3-2.
 
As I thought, it will likely be 4-1, although I felt India's victory would come later.

This is a blip, a bad one, but a blip none the less for a typically unpredictable and irresponsible modern English test side.

IF India do manage a 3-2, then this will be their most competitive away series against a better side in years!
 
barah_admi said:
As I thought, it will likely be 4-1, although I felt India's victory would come later.

This is a blip, a bad one, but a blip none the less for a typically unpredictable and irresponsible modern English test side.

IF India do manage a 3-2, then this will be their most competitive away series against a better side in years!
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Don't know how you are coming to the conclusion that England are a better team. England is actually the worst test team among the major test nations.

Every team nowadays seem to struggle to win overseas but England not only manage to get whitewashed overseas - they also keep losing at home.

No major team (top 4) in the last 3-4 years have lost as many home matches as England have.
 
the_outsider said:
Don't know how you are coming to the conclusion that England are a better team. England is actually the worst test team among the major test nations.

Every team nowadays seem to struggle to win overseas but England not only manage to get whitewashed overseas - they also keep losing at home.

No major team (top 4) in the last 3-4 years have lost as many home matches as England have.
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Better team? Better than which team? Did you read what I wrote?
 
This test is going to be an Indian win, or at worst case - because of rain or something - a draw.

So good to know we've avoided the whitewash.
 
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