Is a sub-28 career bowling average in Tests beyond Mohammad Amir now?

[Buffet]

Eng all out for 184. One pacer had 23/4 and other had 51/4. Ideal conditions to pick up wickets.

Amir picked up one wicket and gave 40 odd runs. I didn't watch it, but did he pitch it up or he was bowling his usual back of the length?

 

[Dagestani_Eagle]

Eng all out for 184. One pacer had 23/4 and other had 51/4. Ideal conditions to pick up wickets.

Amir picked up one wicket and gave 40 odd runs. I didn't watch it, but did he pitch it up or he was bowling his usual back of the length?

He bowled well after his first spell. His first spell was 4-1-18-0

 

[Amoeba]

He bowled relatively well. But I ask all pundits including Saj here as he did on talksport to stop calling him our key bowler. He isn't.

 

[Saj]

He bowled relatively well. But I ask all pundits including Saj here as he did on talksport to stop calling him our key bowler. He isn't.

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Well on paper he is Pakistan's most experienced bowler and someone who should be leading the attack and be the key bowler.

 

[hur rizvi]

Would be a job well done on his part if he can get it below 30 by the time he ends

 

[hur rizvi]

Eng all out for 184. One pacer had 23/4 and other had 51/4. Ideal conditions to pick up wickets.

Amir picked up one wicket and gave 40 odd runs. I didn't watch it, but did he pitch it up or he was bowling his usual back of the length?

His first spell was haywire, after lunch he bowled quite well

 

[Amoeba]

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Well on paper he is Pakistan's most experienced bowler and someone who should be leading the attack and be the key bowler.

Welcome.

He should.....but he plainly hasn't been in tests since his return. Let's look at the unit as a whole rather than concentrate the potential of one man whose talent was wasted back in 2010. Too early to say but Abbas reminds me so much of Terry Alderman.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

I've said this before, but I feel that Amir will end up with similar numbers and impact as Zaheer Khan rather than Akram that he was compared to when he burst onto the scene. And that by itself is not a terrible thing; Zaheer was the leading wicket taker at a World Cup all said and done, and won India a series in England.

But he was also ineffective for long periods of time (though largely down to injuries), which I expect Amir to be as well. The problem is his strike rate, of 66. To put that in perspective, that's identical to Ishant Sharma who is just a glorified workhorse for the past few years. Needs to improve on that.

 

[giri26]

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Well on paper he is Pakistan's most experienced bowler and someone who should be leading the attack and be the key bowler.

Hasan Ali should be leading Pakistan attack in all formats. Amir is just a support bowler and does not pick wickets in any format consistently to be called as the leader of the attack.

 

[BlackShadow]

Amir is a decent LOI bowler because his lengths are not easy to score of. In Tests however he is quite useless unless the conditions are totally in his favor.Forget sub-28, even a sub 30 average seems unlikely.

 

[Napa]

Amir is a great ODI bowler, especially when playing India

I don't think his body can handle the long spells one has to bowl in Tests, or is as effective when Test openers can choose to simply defend against him without the pressure of having to maintain a run rate.

Only CT 2017 final that i can think of. If not wrong, even including that , his record against India is worse than his overall record in ODI.

Yes, he got hammered by the Indian top order in UAE, where conditions don't suit him. But this Sunday the game is in England and it is going to be overcast.

When did great bowlers start getting ranked 31? Great bowlers in any format find themselves in the top 10 often and here we have a bowler who has not been ranked in the top 20 even once in his career. You are buying into hype here. Decent bowler , nothing else. He has potential, but seems to lack motivation.

Obviously his performance is very uneven. He did make the biggest contribution to his team in winning the final of ICC's second most prestigious tournament.

There is a fair chance he will run through the Indian top order and deliver to Pakistan its first WC victory against India. The contest between him and Sharma, Kohli and Rahul will determine who wins the game.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

As long as Pakistan's home ground is UAE then anything below below 30 for fast bowlers is good.

 

[Napa]

As long as Pakistan's home ground is UAE then anything below below 30 for fast bowlers is good.

Forget about what Amir does in Tests, it is not his format. He cannot sustain long spells, his body is not strong enough for that.

In ODIs however, he may be the most dangerous player, better than Starc and Rabada and equal to Bumrah.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Forget about what Amir does in Tests, it is not his format. He cannot sustain long spells, his body is not strong enough for that.

In ODIs however, he may be the most dangerous player, better than Starc and Rabada and equal to Bumrah.

He is averaging 21 in Test format in the past 2 years, I think it is pretty good isn't it?

 

[Napa]

He is averaging 21 in Test format in the past 2 years, I think it is pretty good isn't it?

It would be pretty good if it was 21, but it is actually 26.7.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...7;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

Now, 26.7 isn't a bad average. However, Amir has played in 8 out of the 13 Tests Pakistan played during this period (June 12, 2017 to date). He did not play against Australia and NZ in UAE, conditions which do not suit his bowling.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=7;type=team

Against SL in UAE he averaged 174.

Not really headed to greatness in Tests. However in ODIs, he is among the very best in cold, overcast conditions (like in England). Was ineffective against India in UAE, but turned in a match winning performance in England in the CT final.

 

[QalandarFan]

It would be pretty good if it was 21, but it is actually 26.7.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...7;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

Now, 26.7 isn't a bad average. However, Amir has played in 8 out of the 13 Tests Pakistan played during this period (June 12, 2017 to date). He did not play against Australia and NZ in UAE, conditions which do not suit his bowling.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=7;type=team

Against SL in UAE he averaged 174.

Not really headed to greatness in Tests. However in ODIs, he is among the very best in cold, overcast conditions (like in England). Was ineffective against India in UAE, but turned in a match winning performance in England in the CT final.

He's still a bowler we need in tours to SENA, in the South Africa Test series he was our best bowler. Idk if it's the dead pitches or the heat but he seems to struggle in UAE, more due to stamina which is probably cause of the heat than anything. If he had the stamina to keep hitting those lines and lengths in UAE and keep the pace up he'd be a much better test bowler. For now he's obviously a great LOI bowlers as I've been saying just had a rough year. Even in tests he should continue to play SENA Tours.

 

[gazza619]

Amir has lost a lot of pace. Credit to him for bowling good lines.

I wonder if anything can be done to revive him. He is still in his late 20’s afterall.

 

[Napa]

He's still a bowler we need in tours to SENA, in the South Africa Test series he was our best bowler. Idk if it's the dead pitches or the heat but he seems to struggle in UAE, more due to stamina which is probably cause of the heat than anything. If he had the stamina to keep hitting those lines and lengths in UAE and keep the pace up he'd be a much better test bowler. For now he's obviously a great LOI bowlers as I've been saying just had a rough year. Even in tests he should continue to play SENA Tours.

You are right, SENA conditions suit him much more than UAE. Still, I am not sure if he can bowl 40 overs every Test and be among the best as he is in ODIs. Skipping UAE series may make his Test workload manageable.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

It would be pretty good if it was 21, but it is actually 26.7.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...7;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

Now, 26.7 isn't a bad average. However, Amir has played in 8 out of the 13 Tests Pakistan played during this period (June 12, 2017 to date). He did not play against Australia and NZ in UAE, conditions which do not suit his bowling.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=7;type=team

Against SL in UAE he averaged 174.

Not really headed to greatness in Tests. However in ODIs, he is among the very best in cold, overcast conditions (like in England). Was ineffective against India in UAE, but turned in a match winning performance in England in the CT final.

Ok, one series has been excluded due to the exact 2 year time. It is 23.5 in last 2.5 years.

Also, I agree he is a excellent bowler for SENA conditions and struggles in UAE, but according to news and recent conditions of Pakistan, our series in UAE are almost over and we will now play in Pakistan where pitches are green and suit fast and swing bowling. Hence, Mohammad Amir will now play all Tests because he won't have to dwell in the desert anymore.

 

[Slog]

I guess no lol

 

[Savak]

An ordinary career at the end. Not even one ten wicket haul to show for himself