Is an India-China war in the offing?

[troodon]

A message of peace’: Amid border tension, Indian boxer offers title belt to Chinese opponent

Call it fighting for peace.

An boxer from India celebrated his championship victory Saturday by offering to give his belt to his vanquished opponent from China, a gesture of friendship with the fighters’ countries locked in a border dispute since June.

Vijender Singh, who shared a bronze medal in the Beijing Olympics, beat Zulpikar Maimaitiali on points in Mumbai, retaining his WBO Asia Pacific super middleweight title and taking Maimaitiali’s WBO Oriental super middleweight belt. He dedicated his win to the “Indian-China friendship.” Tensions between the two countries are rising because of a dispute over China’s attempt to extend a road through a frontier border.

“I don’t want this title. I will give it back to Zulpikar,” Singh said (via the Guardian). “I don’t want tension on the border. It’s a message of peace. That’s important.”

[China warns India to pull back troops]

Late last month, China warned India not to “push your luck” by underestimating Beijing’s determination to protect what it believes is sovereign territory high in the Himalayas. Although India has called for a negotiated settlement and both sides have shown restraint as Chinese troops work to extend the road from Yadong in Tibet, rhetoric has grown increasingly heated of late.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-to-chinese-opponent/?utm_term=.d62a2ee23895

 

[Vegitto1]

In case China and India do go to war - I think Pakistan should seize the opportunity to push Indian troops out of India Occupied Kashmir and reclaim other lost territories in 1971 war.

 

[Romali_rotti]

In case China and India do go to war - I think Pakistan should seize the opportunity to push Indian troops out of India Occupied Kashmir and reclaim other lost territories in 1971 war.

Actually Ayub Khan wanted to do what you said above during the first India China war in 62, but John F Kennedy intervened and would not allow Ayub to act. Had Ayub had the option back in 62 he may have pulled it off. However now ? lol, Pakistan while trying to get Kashmir will get wiped out by Indian nukes, so again no Kashmir for you.. Yeah some of your nukes would fall on India but India would survive while Pakistan wont...

 

[Eagle_Eye]

In case China and India do go to war - I think Pakistan should seize the opportunity to push Indian troops out of India Occupied Kashmir and reclaim other lost territories in 1971 war.

They will have to take a leaf out of Israeli book and roll into other northern states in particular Gujarat..... give it back once India accepts new reality in Kashmir.

 

[Varun]

In case China and India do go to war - I think Pakistan should seize the opportunity to push Indian troops out of India Occupied Kashmir and reclaim other lost territories in 1971 war.

At best in such a scenario they will get hold of Kashmir? But so what? Most overrated piece of land ever.

There are hundreds of more awesome places in India and Pakistan than glacier-land.

 

[GBK_Fan]

Sad to see Pakistanis seeing the daylight and realising their army can never take Kashmir on their own. Next hope China. Can't fathom the day when that dream is shattered too :/

 

[Vegitto1]

Sad to see Pakistanis seeing the daylight and realising their army can never take Kashmir on their own. Next hope China. Can't fathom the day when that dream is shattered too :/

Pakistan is not even half the the size of India yet has control over Kashmir, which India claims as their own. Sad really that a "Suppa Powah" like India cannot take its land back from puny little Pakistan.

 

[Vegitto1]

Actually Ayub Khan wanted to do what you said above during the first India China war in 62, but John F Kennedy intervened and would not allow Ayub to act. Had Ayub had the option back in 62 he may have pulled it off. However now ? lol, Pakistan while trying to get Kashmir will get wiped out by Indian nukes, so again no Kashmir for you.. Yeah some of your nukes would fall on India but India would survive while Pakistan wont...

Lol, do you even know the effect of so many nukes going off will have on the World? and India will be the one to use it as Pakistan will happily stick to conventional warfare.

Any war with Pakistan and/or China will send India into the dark ages. And Pakistan, after all that, will still exist in whatever state or form. India overall has everything to lose and nothing to gain.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Any war with Pakistan and/or China will send India into the dark ages. And Pakistan, after all that, will still exist in whatever state or form. India overall has everything to lose and nothing to gain.

Wow, some wise words of wisdom offered here from a Pakistani who initially suggested taking control of Kashmir if India and China go to war ...

 

[PakLFC]

According to many reports India seems to be pulling back it's troops. A coward in a lion's skin is still a coward! They know what messing with the dragon means.

 

[akki]

According to many reports India seems to be pulling back it's troops. A coward in a lion's skin is still a coward! They know what messing with the dragon means.

kedi reports ??? according to some cheeni reports ?? any source ?

 

[troodon]

According to many reports India seems to be pulling back it's troops. A coward in a lion's skin is still a coward! They know what messing with the dragon means.

May be some under the table deal was done. Governments will not reveal everything to Aam Admi.

 

[PakLFC]

May be some under the table deal was done. Governments will not reveal everything to Aam Admi.

Exactly. India will not tell it's people that they are pulling back that will be a huge dent in it's pride.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Wow, some wise words of wisdom offered here from a Pakistani who initially suggested taking control of Kashmir if India and China go to war ...

I can only laugh at these people.In a nuke war Pakistan will survive and India will not.Thats the biggest joke.

 

[cricketjoshila]

According to many reports India seems to be pulling back it's troops. A coward in a lion's skin is still a coward! They know what messing with the dragon means.

What reports?LOL.India isnt pulling back.We are not some small country that live on chinese handouts.Though you can dream all you want.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan is not even half the the size of India yet has control over Kashmir, which India claims as their own. Sad really that a "Suppa Powah" like India cannot take its land back from puny little Pakistan.

We took away East Pakistan alright.

 

[akki]

What reports?LOL.India isnt pulling back.We are not some small country that live on chinese handouts.Though you can dream all you want.

Pakistani media is saying india has withdrawn her troops. Mind you its the same media who said 153 indian army men died in doklam area when rumours were out about india china war.
They dnt even use common sense that if indian army has withdrawn , has china build the road now ?

 

[PakLFC]

What reports?LOL.India isnt pulling back.We are not some small country that live on chinese handouts.Though you can dream all you want.

It was some link I clicked to. Can't remember the website as I did not know you people would be asking. No the UK stopped giving you free money some years back. As we know there is no poverty in India anymore

 

[CricketCartoons]

China dares not attack India, it will lose. They have one child policy, and if the soldiers, who are the only son, die, then who will take care of the parents? Indian soldiers don't have to worry about such things, and they usually have extra set of brothers back home to take care of family.

 

[Vegitto1]

We took away East Pakistan alright.

You took it away? Do you control it or is it an independent country?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistani media is saying india has withdrawn her troops. Mind you its the same media who said 153 indian army men died in doklam area when rumours were out about india china war.
They dnt even use common sense that if indian army has withdrawn , has china build the road now ?

We just moved in 3 more divisions.Lol at withdrawing.Chinese simply cant afford a war with India.The terrain disadvantage is simply too great to overcome.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You took it away? Do you control it or is it an independent country?

Why should we control it.We liberated it and gave it to the people it belonged to.

Should i post the document of surrender to prove to whom the Pakistani army surrendered?

 

[cricketjoshila]

It was some link I clicked to. Can't remember the website as I did not know you people would be asking. No the UK stopped giving you free money some years back. As we know there is no poverty in India anymore

Basically you have no source to back up your claims.

Indians are actually giving money to Afghanistan Bangladesh Bhutan Nepal etc.we believing in sharing and caring.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Exactly.......if China has any pride they should start taking military action against India like Yesterday!

Indian troops entered Bhutan and stopped the Chinese construction party in June, we're well into August!

High time the Chinese establishment stops issuing daily statements and do something about it. I mean 40 soldiers and a bulldozer, even hold them as prisoners at the very least!

This is another press statement on the official Chinese news media again today:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/08/c_136509429.htm

There is one very two days, this looks like all bark and NO BITE!

I hope Trump disses em on Twitter forcing China to finally take action, this stand off is boring to bits. Two well armed neighbors who are scared to use their arsenal! Why have such massive armies in the first place?!!

There are more than 40 soldiers and many more backing them up on the Indian side.

 

[Heisenberg]

China dares not attack India, it will lose. They have one child policy, and if the soldiers, who are the only son, die, then who will take care of the parents? Indian soldiers don't have to worry about such things, and they usually have extra set of brothers back home to take care of family.

Not sure if serious

 

[Romali_rotti]

China is all bark and ZERO bite, even Pakistan looks like it has more bite than China..

 

[Romali_rotti]

We just moved in 3 more divisions.Lol at withdrawing.Chinese simply cant afford a war with India.The terrain disadvantage is simply too great to overcome.

They wont attack India because it will be the end of their One belt One road policy and CPEC... It is not worth it for them to fight over a piece of land that you cant inhabit for like 8 months a year due to snow fall... All Bark and Zero bit and now china face an embarrassing scenario of standing still & doing nothing. Even if they are mad enough to attack India, then the US, Japan, NATO all other countries will get involved one way or another which will pretty much end China.. All that will come out of this we will have some of Pakistani friends talking about all the potential scenarios and end of the day they will realize: OH DAMN nothing we said and hoped came true and realized all over again that we will never get Indian Kashmir lol...

 

[akki]

Sikkim Standoff: What If We Enter Kalapani, Kashmir, China Asks India
Rejecting India's suggestion for a simultaneous withdrawal of troops to end the standoff at Doklam, China on Tuesday upped the ante, wondering what New Delhi would do if it “enters” Kalapani region in Uttarakhand or Kashmir.

India and China have been locked in a face-off in the Doklam area of the Sikkim sector for 50 days after Indian troops stopped the Chinese Army from building a road in the area.

China claimed it was constructing the road within their territory and has been demanding immediate pull-out of the Indian troops from the disputed Doklam plateau. Bhutan says Doklam belongs to it but China claims the area belongs to it and says Thimphu has no dispute with Beijing over it.

"Even if there is only one Indian soldier, even for a day it is still a violation of our sovereignty and territorial integrity," Wang Wenli, Deputy Director General of the Boundary and Ocean Affairs of China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said.

Wang was briefing an Indian media delegation, whose visit was sponsored by the state-run All China Journalists Association (ACJA), on China's stand on the Doklam standoff.

"It is impossible to have a dialogue with India at this time. Our people will think our government is incompetent." "Until the Indian side withdraws from the Chinese territory, there will be no substantive talks between us," she said, while reiterating Beijing's stand that the only way to end the present crisis on the border was the withdrawal of Indian troops from Doklam.

Also Read: Sikkim Standoff: China Says Its Restraint Has ‘Bottom Line’

Needling India, she raised the Kashmir issue and also referred to the Kalapani dispute between India and Nepal.

"We think it is not doable for the Indian side to use tri-junction as an excuse," she said, referring to Indian External Affairs Ministry's assertion that the road building at the China, India and Bhutan tri-junction in the strategic narrow Chicken's Neck area changes the status quo.

"The Indian side has also many tri-junctions. What if we use the same excuse and enter the Kalapani region between China, India and Nepal or even into the Kashmir region between India and Pakistan," she said.

"Therefore, using the tri-junction as an excuse does not hold water at all. It will only cause more trouble," Wang said.

This is the first time that a Chinese official sought to bring in the Kashmir issue even though such a remark has been made earlier by a scholar in the state-run Global Times.

Asked whether China was getting ready for a war with India, Wang said, "I can only say that for the PLA (People's Liberation Army) and for the Chinese government, we have the determination. So, if the Indian side decides to go down the wrong path or still have illusions about this incident, then we have the right to use any act that is in line with the international law to protect our rights." Wang said India and China had many standoffs before but "we haven't issued any position paper till now".

"But this time we have the position paper and in the position paper, you can find clear information about our position and possible moves by us," she said, referring to a 15-page fact sheet issued by the Chinese Foreign Ministry few days ago.

"The Indian border troops are sending a signal of aggression while the signals sent by the foreign ministry is for peaceful negotiations. So, we think these two signals do not match with each other," she said.

Wang also rejected a negotiated solution by restoring status quo with the simultaneous withdrawal of Indian and Chinese troops to their earlier positions.

India's position on the issue was made clear by External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj recently, saying both sides should first pull back their troops for any talks to take place, favouring a peaceful resolution of the border standoff.

Referring to reports in the Indian media that both the countries' border troops can withdraw at the same time to restore the status quo, Wang said "this is also unacceptable for China".

"Because the facts are clear. It is the Indian troops that crossed the mutually recognised boundary into the Chinese territory. So, it is the Indian border troops that have the responsibility to withdraw," she said.

Skirting any references to the shrill campaign being conducted by the official media here, Wang said China is exercising restraint and goodwill.

"In fact, we have expressed many times the diplomatic channel is always open and it is so in the past 50 days but it does not mean that we will not use our power to use the acts of defence in line with the UN charter or relevant international law."

https://in.yahoo.com/finance/news/sikkim-standoff-enter-kalapani-kashmir-183738856.html

 

[troodon]

^ China is holding a big chunk of Kashmir which never belonged to them and they are talking about entering Kashmir? They have been in Kashmir for decades now.

 

[R0H1T]

^ China is holding a big chunk of Kashmir which never belonged to them and they are talking about entering Kashmir? They have been in Kashmir for decades now.

Gifted by yours truly, also did anyone forget about the annexation of Tibet or how the thousand year old Chinese scriptures say that most of Asia belongs to them? They love to cry foul whenever there;s a conflict but claiming all of SCS or most of their neighboring territories (with unresolved border disputes) is classical middle kingdom trademarked foreign policy!

 

[PakLFC]

Basically you have no source to back up your claims.

Indians are actually giving money to Afghanistan Bangladesh Bhutan Nepal etc.we believing in sharing and caring.

Now don't moan that it is a Pakistani one when you believe in Indian sources reporting on Pakistan. Great! You are giving money away whilst 400 million in your country are living under the poverty line.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Now don't moan that it is a Pakistani one when you believe in Indian sources reporting on Pakistan. Great! You are giving money away whilst 400 million in your country are living under the poverty line.

LoL.No troops were withdrawn infact more troops have been sent.Pakistani media also claimed that China killed 150 Indian soldiers.

And Indians are not in awe of China like Pakistan is.Poor guys judging India from position of Pakistan.China is still saying withdraw troops and India increased troops.
Dreams of some Pakistanis shattered.lol

We dont mind eating half a bread if the other half can help someone who has nothing.

 

[cricketjoshila]

^ China is holding a big chunk of Kashmir which never belonged to them and they are talking about entering Kashmir? They have been in Kashmir for decades now.

India has told China,you entered PoK we too can enter your disputed territories.1st Oil fields in SCS now Doklam.

 

[PakLFC]

LoL.No troops were withdrawn infact more troops have been sent.Pakistani media also claimed that China killed 150 Indian soldiers.

And Indians are not in awe of China like Pakistan is.Poor guys judging India from position of Pakistan.China is still saying withdraw troops and India increased troops.
Dreams of some Pakistanis shattered.lol

We dont mind eating half a bread if the other half can help someone who has nothing.

That is not the point. You wanted evidence of where I got my evidence from that has been provided. Worry about your own poverty instead of acting like saint's. India is indeed in awe of Chinese and American power, don't deny it. Pak is cool, if you want to fight China then go ahead, why should we care?

 

[cricketjoshila]

That is not the point. You wanted evidence of where I got my evidence from that has been provided. Worry about your own poverty instead of acting like saint's. India is indeed in awe of Chinese and American power, don't deny it. Pak is cool, if you want to fight China then go ahead, why should we care?

We will do whatever we please with our money,because its not AID money but money that India has producedby itself.We will help other countries as much as we can.You dont need to worry about us.

India isnt in awe of Chinese,never was,never will be.This is why we rejected their OBOR offer with impunity.

who asked you to care?LOL.

And credible evidence. .what clowns really!!!

 

[PakLFC]

We will do whatever we please with our money,because its not AID money but money that India has producedby itself.We will help other countries as much as we can.You dont need to worry about us.

India isnt in awe of Chinese,never was,never will be.This is why we rejected their OBOR offer with impunity.

who asked you to care?LOL.

And credible evidence. .what clowns really!!!

Indians want Pak to care! You are right that it is your money after the UK stopped giving you free money some years back! You are in awe of how China is growing and the influence it has compared to you. You envy them no doubt about it as being similar size they are on a different planet to you! By "credible evidence" you mean Indian media sources who lie more then Pinocchio! Do you know he is??

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indians want Pak to care! You are right that it is your money after the UK stopped giving you free money some years back! You are in awe of how China is growing and the influence it has compared to you. You envy them no doubt about it as being similar size they are on a different planet to you! By "credible evidence" you mean Indian media sources who lie more then Pinocchio! Do you know he is??

LOL.Indians dont bother about Pak.Govt has even restricted visas to Pakistanis and are given only for medical cases or in exceptional cases.

UK still gives money to Pak.Worry about that.Our finance minister openly said that India is not in need of UK peanuts,long before UK even stopped Aid.Our GDP is either greater than UK or just lower than it(Varies with exchange value of USD),but some people wont understand this,as they have never been even close to being a economic power.Thats why they are in awe of China.

Similar size?You need to learn geography.China is much larger than India.

I dont need to learn about Pinocchio but i do know about Pak media who lie so much that other countries like China and Russia have to comeout with official rebuttals to Pak Media stories.

 

[PakLFC]

LOL.Indians dont bother about Pak.Govt has even restricted visas to Pakistanis and are given only for medical cases or in exceptional cases.

UK still gives money to Pak.Worry about that.Our finance minister openly said that India is not in need of UK peanuts,long before UK even stopped Aid.Our GDP is either greater than UK or just lower than it(Varies with exchange value of USD),but some people wont understand this,as they have never been even close to being a economic power.Thats why they are in awe of China.

Similar size?You need to learn geography.China is much larger than India.

I dont need to learn about Pinocchio but i do know about Pak media who lie so much that other countries like China and Russia have to comeout with official rebuttals to Pak Media stories.

Thanks for restricting the visa's that will force us to improve our health facilities. You have done us a favour by doing that. So what if UK gives money to Pak considering all Pak soldiers who have died in the war on terror where they are with America? The UK owes Pak as well! There you go again about how great you are, NOT! Have a look at your poverty levels and the size of your country! Why don't you just admit that you are envious of Chinese power? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127014493 and http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/28211170-...tml?ft_site=falcon&desktop=true#axzz4pOQ5TYBv We are much smaller then China is size so can't be compared to them, simple. As if other news companies don't expose expose the nonsense coming out of Indian news channels like NDTV and Arnab Goswami who was sacked by his own channel!)) I see there are no emoticons in your last mail! iDid I say anything to expose your your rubbish!!?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thanks for restricting the visa's that will force us to improve our health facilities. You have done us a favour by doing that. So what if UK gives money to Pak considering all Pak soldiers who have died in the war on terror where they are with America? The UK owes Pak as well! There you go again about how great you are, NOT! Have a look at your poverty levels and the size of your country! Why don't you just admit that you are envious of Chinese power? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127014493 and http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/28211170-...tml?ft_site=falcon&desktop=true#axzz4pOQ5TYBv We are much smaller then China is size so can't be compared to them, simple. As if other news companies don't expose expose the nonsense coming out of Indian news channels like NDTV and Arnab Goswami who was sacked by his own channel!)) I see there are no emoticons in your last mail! iDid I say anything to expose your your rubbish!!?

War on terror?You mean by hiding Osama in Abottabad?Now wonder US etc are cutting military aid to Pakistan.

Envious of the Chinese?You mean live under a virtual dictatorship and believe all that CCP will tell and proclaim my allgiance to a party and not a country.NO THANK YOU.I understand Pakistanis are used to live under dictatorship,Indians have Democracy.So you can be overawed by Chinese we are not.

Lets not even talk about Pakistani media, In last 12 months the Russians have had to officially rebutt Pakistani media stories,even China did it couple of weeks back.Even laughing at Pakistani media is now not right,should feel sad for them.

Seems you follow Indian media quite closely,seem to know who works where.LOL.Obssession with India.

 

[PakLFC]

War on terror?You mean by hiding Osama in Abottabad?Now wonder US etc are cutting military aid to Pakistan.

Envious of the Chinese?You mean live under a virtual dictatorship and believe all that CCP will tell and proclaim my allgiance to a party and not a country.NO THANK YOU.I understand Pakistanis are used to live under dictatorship,Indians have Democracy.So you can be overawed by Chinese we are not.

Lets not even talk about Pakistani media, In last 12 months the Russians have had to officially rebutt Pakistani media stories,even China did it couple of weeks back.Even laughing at Pakistani media is now not right,should feel sad for them.

Seems you follow Indian media quite closely,seem to know who works where.LOL.Obssession with India.

You are the only one who saw Osama in Pakistan when he had been killed a million times before. Did you attend his funeral at sea as well? It is a good thing that the American's are cutting aid, I support IK that we should reject it anyway.No your are envious of China's development and progress compared to 400 million living on the streets in your country. You have a terrorist as a PM who was refused a visa to visit the USA before being elected

So what? Every country undermines the other ones media. We also laugh at yours as well and so do the Chinese taking the crap out of it Poor Arnab was sacked then hoped that some foreign channel would hire his services. When it did not happen he returned to Indian channels after that humilationrby Yes I do follow your media so I can laugh at them!

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Lol, do you even know the effect of so many nukes going off will have on the World? and India will be the one to use it as Pakistan will happily stick to conventional warfare.

Any war with Pakistan and/or China will send India into the dark ages. And Pakistan, after all that, will still exist in whatever state or form. India overall has everything to lose and nothing to gain.

Usually pointless war rhetoric aside, the only reason India hasn't pushed out Pak army/agents outside of PoK and claimed it yet is because Pak is nuclear country and can't be trusted to use its best judgement in the event of defeat.

In a conventional war-fare without Chinese intervening for you. India and Pak don't even come close when it comes to match up man to man or tank to tank, lets not even talk about airforce.

A conventional war if Pakistan ever decides to do one would be disasterous for them. They should thank heavens for having procured nuclear weapons when they did because otherwise, one might say India wouldn't have been so patient despite constant attacks.

 

[TM Riddle]

Must say India has handled the matter really well and shown the Chinese that gone are the days when they could bully anyone in neighborhood and get away with it without any repercussions.
Jiyo Indian Army!

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are the only one who saw Osama in Pakistan when he had been killed a million times before. Did you attend his funeral at sea as well? It is a good thing that the American's are cutting aid, I support IK that we should reject it anyway.No your are envious of China's development and progress compared to 400 million living on the streets in your country. You have a terrorist as a PM who was refused a visa to visit the USA before being elected

So what? Every country undermines the other ones media. We also laugh at yours as well and so do the Chinese taking the crap out of it Poor Arnab was sacked then hoped that some foreign channel would hire his services. When it did not happen he returned to Indian channels after that humilationrby Yes I do follow your media so I can laugh at them!

1.The world knows where Osama was found and killed.You can keep denying it wont change the facts that the world has accepted.

2.Why will any India be envious of anything that comes at a cost of democracy,freedom,free thinking etc.Pakistanis who are used to dictatorship may think like that Indians dont.

3.When was he sacked?LOL.Everyone knew he is going to start his own channel even before he left Times Now.Considering hos channel is backed extremely well funded people and is already among top 2 news channels why will he look to join some foreign channel.

4.Your obssesssion with IndiA.

 

[shortbread]

No fight yet, this must be the worst conflict ever. The sheer cowardice shown by both side is hilarious, the so-called super powers of the future! The defense machinery of US and Russia will be rolling in laughter!

Chinese troops injured by Indian border troops' fierce action: foreign ministry

Some Chinese troops suffered injuries from Indian troops' fierce action in the western part of the border area, the Chinese Foreign Ministry confirmed Monday. This came after a video showing border troops from the two countries pushing and throwing stones at one another near Pangong Lake.

Last Tuesday, Indian border troops obstructed Chinese border troops, who were carrying out normal patrols on the Chinese side of the actual line of control in the Pangong lake area, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said at a daily briefing.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/21/c_136543647.htm

This is a brilliant opportunity for Xi to show who's in control, but rather than rampant press releases by the state media the chinese have simply played the waiting game. The indians on the other hand have stepped into something having absolutely no clue how to step out of it.

Both countries have shown their failure in showing diplomatic maturity or military might!

 

[Romali_rotti]

No fight yet, this must be the worst conflict ever. The sheer cowardice shown by both side is hilarious, the so-called super powers of the future! The defense machinery of US and Russia will be rolling in laughter!



http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/21/c_136543647.htm

This is a brilliant opportunity for Xi to show who's in control, but rather than rampant press releases by the state media the chinese have simply played the waiting game. The indians on the other hand have stepped into something having absolutely no clue how to step out of it.

Both countries have shown their failure in showing diplomatic maturity or military might!

Cowardice by the Chinese YES, Indians flat out stopped them from doing what they wanted, now all China has been doing since then is bark with ZERO bite. Indians knew exactly what they are doing, China simply cannot afford a war like confrontation because it will practically be them vs India, US, JAPAN, NATO etc... Smart move by the Indians if you ask me... If this was the minority appeasing Indian Congress government, Eastern India would have been taken over by China NOW..

 

[Pakpak]

China tried to bully Bhutan. India intervened and won't let China do it. So China is irritated. It's gotten used to being the schoolyard bully. Now someone is standing up to this bully so it's showing exactly the same behavior schoolyard bullies do when confronted: frustration, anger, petulance, etc. It upped the ante for no good reason and is now looking for a respectable way to climb down without being humiliated internationally. India is handling it like a mature country and will provide China a respectable out in due course.

Things will calm down in a few weeks time. But the ongoing tension will stay. A democratic India is a major thorn in China's imperialist ambitions. It has tried all tricks in the trade, including providing unlimited funding to several communist political parties in India and cultivating left-leaning journalists / writers (people like Arundhati Roy) who run an anti-India campaign in media. Unfortunately for China, communist parties in India have received massive drubbing over the past few elections and are on a terminal decline. But their media campaign is still going great guns.

All pumped up nationalism like a twelve year old but good to see this issue resolved

 

[Vayuu]

Chalo bachcho tamasha khatam.

 

[idrizzy]

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[Romali_rotti]

Doka La standoff ends: Four good economic reasons China had to not mess with India

What really caused a sudden end to the Doka La standoff between India and China is as yet unclear. Until recently, the situation wasn’t getting any better with the war of words escalating on both sides, reminders of the 1962 war and highly provocative, sometimes misleading reportage in the media.

But everything changed on Monday when both sides issued statements on an end to the impasse and withdrawal of troops. What worked between the two parties for such a quick resolution will, perhaps, remain a State secret. The decision also served as a face-saver for political leaderships on both sides.

The important takeaway from the decision is that it saves both sides from major economic consequences. More importantly, it averted an embarrassment for China in the BRICS Summit that begins on 3 September in Xiamen. While the exact reasons for the end of the standoff are not known, there are a few clear reasons why China could not have afforded a prolonged standoff at the Sikkim border and eventually turned India into an enemy.

Narendra Modi and Xi Jinping are set to meet at next month's BRICS Summit. PTINarendra Modi and Xi Jinping are set to meet at next month's BRICS Summit.

First, India plays an important role in emerging economies off the world. Among the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) nations, undoubtedly India is seen as a major emerging economic power that has strong enough pillars to challenge the dominance of China in the decades to come. Even today, India plays a key role in the Asian economy, as the third largest in the region. In this backdrop, as the host, China could not have afforded facing India at the meet to discuss economic cooperation of BRICS countries when troops from both countries are positioned against each other in a high-tension scenario.

Besides, India’s emerging economic dominance in the region would make any country seek to befriend it, particularly China which wants to play the role of big brother in Asia. A recent Harvard study said that India has emerged as the economic pole of global growth by surpassing China and is expected to maintain its lead over the coming decade citing that it is particularly well-positioned to continue diversifying in new areas, given the capabilities accumulated to date. Further, according to Harvard University’s Centre for International Development (CID) growth projections, India will feature on top of the list of fastest growing economies till 2025 with an average annual growth of 7.7 percent.

Second, India now has much better diplomatic relations with world powers, mainly the US, which China cannot ignore any longer. If China escalates tensions with India and makes an enemy of its neighbour, it would naturally put China in the opposite camp and will erode the gains it has been making as a peace-loving, mature country that aspires to become a world leader. Beijing wouldn’t have wanted to gamble its hard-won image by prolonging the military standoff with India at a disputed territory.

Third, China will also suffer on the trade front if it cuts ties with India. It has more to lose than India as China traditionally has a trade surplus with India. Right now, India has a trade deficit of around $52 billion with China. In the past year alone, India exported around $9 billion worth of goods to China while China exported $60 billion to India. That’s a big trade opportunity for Chinese manufacturers. It wouldn’t be wrong to say that the Chinese presence is evident in almost all sectors ranging from electronic items to pharmaceutical products. Here too, China would have taken a heavy hit if tensions escalated to a war-like situation.

Fourth and perhaps the biggest reason China wouldn’t want to create an enemy of India would have been its One Belt, One Road initiative and the China-Pakistan Economic corridor, where significant investments have already been made, and both are critical to China’s long-term plan to build its dominance in the Asian region. China has invested at least $50 billion so far in CPEC. India has a problem with CPEC as the corridor passes through the contentious part of Kashmir, which is occupied by Pakistan and claimed by India.

Some of its neighbours like Sri Lanka too have spoken in favour of India on this issue saying it is difficult for India to accept the CPEC since it passes through the 'heart of Indian interests'. China would have further risked the fate of CPEC and OBOR if it escalated tensions, as India can create hurdles in the path of OBOR.

As Dhruva Jaishankar, fellow of foreign policy with Brookings India in New Delhi writes in this NDTV article, "Dok(a La) shows that a military confrontation between two nuclear-armed powers can be resolved diplomatically, and without escalation. But for China's leadership there is perhaps a need for introspection about why it let relations with India deteriorate so sharply for no material gain."

To sum up, calling off the military standoff in Doka La was a big face-saving exercise for both India and China also due to major economic reasons. But, for China, Doka La offers a bigger lesson not to mess with India. And Beijing has learned it well.

http://www.firstpost.com/india/doka...china-had-not-to-mess-with-india-3985823.html

 

[troodon]

As expected.

 

[English August]

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...omatic-victory-in-decades-117082900138_1.html

This is quite possibly the best article I have read on this topic post the deescalation. Captures the nuance very well.

The Chinese are of course trying to spin this in a hundred different ways, but it is very clear this is quite embarrassing for them. They overplayed their hand, and now India has provided a template to everyone else on how to deal with these bullying tactics.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Ties are improving. Those dreaming of a war will be disappointed.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping began an open-ended talk, which could yield far reaching results ranging from a likely détente to a full normalisation of ties that were marred by the 1962 border war.

At the end of the first round of the informal summit in the picturesque city of Wuhan, Mr. Modi invited Mr. Xi to visit India next year.

“I’ll be happy, if in 2019, we can have such informal summit in India,” Mr. Modi told Mr. Xi.

The two leaders held the first round of talks on day one of their informal summit amid much symbolism, and subtext, highlighting centuries of achievements of the two civilizations.

“The two countries together constituted for about 50% of the world economy and another 50% was shared by rest of the world for 1600 years,” Mr. Modi observed in remarks in the presence of Mr. Xi.

The two leaders in their dialogue are not being guided by rigid talking points. Instead, they are expected to align India-China ties to counter the headwinds of growing protectionism, and more. “China and India are both important engines for global growth and we are central pillars for promoting a multi-polar and globalised world. A good China- India relation is an important and positive factor for maintaining peace and stability in the world,” Mr. Xi said in his welcome remarks.

Analysts say that the two countries are preparing to emerge as the twin engines of a new wave of globalisation, in which Asia and the emerging economies will play a leading role. “The focus of the Wuhan talks is therefore on seeking geo-economic opportunities, including new supply chains, and avoiding geopolitical rifts, which peaked with last year’s Doklam military standoff,” an official source said.

Huang Jiang of Richard Von Weizsacker fellow at the Bosch Academy in Germany pointed out that U.S.-led protectionism provides the strategic cement for bonding China and India. “The informal summit is a great idea. At least both sides can see a more cooperative relationship can increase their leverage in dealing with the outside world, especially the U.S. and its allies,” Mr. Huang told The Hindu.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.th...odi-tells-xi-jinping/article23698065.ece/amp/

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ties are improving. Those dreaming of a war will be disappointed.



https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.th...odi-tells-xi-jinping/article23698065.ece/amp/

Stupid move by Modi.

Chinese are under pressure because of Trump's trade restrictions.

This will haunt him and may cause him to lose face. Because chinese will continue to block India at NSG and UNSC. Poor stuff from Modi.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Ties are improving. Those dreaming of a war will be disappointed.



https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.th...odi-tells-xi-jinping/article23698065.ece/amp/

Hindi Chini Bhai part 2

 

[msb314]

If this war happens, which is VERY unlikely, I hope we try and take advantage unlike 1962 where we watched on the sidelines.

Though nothing will happen, nukes will make sure of that. At worst some border spats back and forth or a Kargil like scenario between India and China.

I know this is almost a year old but the Ayub administration was contemplating going to war with India during the Sino-India war of 1962. However, the Kennedy administration strictly forbade Pakistan from getting involved so we backed out. Not quite sure what leverage they had over us but presumably it was the threat of another world war and a direct confrontation with Russia during the height of the Cold War.