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Groups etc are still to be published, and indeed the matter of Pakistan's travel to India is still (theoretically) on the decision table.

But assuming all issues get sorted out, do you think India and Pakistan will meet in the final of the 2023 World Cup to be held in India?

If so - who would win (and what an occasion that would be!)

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Shoaib Akhtar already looking forward to it for his own reasons...

"I want to take revenge for the 2011 World Cup, I hadn't played in that match. I want to watch the India vs Pakistan final in Wankhede or Ahmedabad, wherever it happens in India. I will try my level best to watch the final"

"BCCI and PCB have nothing in their own hands. They can't do anything without asking their governments (in the case of bilateral series and travel). So there is no point in giving statements. Both sides should stop giving statements. When things improve between the governments, they talk, and things will improve. Who is PCB or BCCI to stop or start anything? It's in the BCCI's interest if Pakistan land in India for the World Cup. It will be the biggest news at that point in time"

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-2023-world-cup-asia-cup-101679426619313.html
 
I don't want an India vs Pakistan final. I'll never be able to get over an Indian loss in such a scenario. Just thinking about it makes me go nuts.
 
India won't reach the final. Our white ball cricket is pretty average. The likes of Kohli and Jadeja shouldn't be playing imo but nobody has the guts to drop them. Only after they retire can a white ball side be constructed to meet modern requirements.

Our top 6 is full of right handers, there are no batsmen who can bowl part time, no left arm pacers - we just don't have a dynamic lineup and we can easily be neutralized by competent sides.

Pakistan may not reach the final either. They are a better side than they were in the last World Cup cycle but I think SF exit is the max PAK can go even if they play their best XI.
 
An India Pakistan final will lead to hundreds of heart attacks with many fatalities/strokes/ some suicides/ some dying during celebrations /and hundreds of broken Tv's
On the flip side, during the 8 hours of the game there will be very little traffic on the roads in India, Pakistan (and Bangladesh as well) meaning hundreds of people normally dying in RTA's in South Asia daily will survive
 
Pakistan just isn't good enough in ODI.

They can make it to a T20WC final, but making it to ODI WC final is too big of a task.

In terms of India-Pakistan Final, the 2022 T20 WC was a huge chance for this to happen (in a 90,000 MCG stadium too)!

I also say this because Im fully convinced that ICC (partially) rigged the tournament for Pakistan and India to be in the final, I repeat both Pakistan and India (not just India). It was quite obvious, and it was one of the few things which I didn't like in an otherwise brilliant T20 World Cup.
 
Groups are not published ? I don't think there will be any group divisions this time in the WC just like the previous WC. All 10 teams will be in one group and play each other once. So atleast one India Pak fixture is guaranteed.
 
India vs Pakistan final in Narendra Modi stadium? There will be immense pressure on Indian team and fans especially those joshilay fans who hate muslims from the bottom of their heart. :inti
 
pakistan are generally crap in odis, i dont see pak going far, altho i would love pak to win at modi stadium in front of modi, would make up for all the crap of the last decade or two lol.
 
Pakistan won't reach finals as most teams would out bat them in 50 overs cricket and their fast bowlers are mostly good for 4 over spells.

India won't reach finals either as we are chokers in ICC trophies and playing at home would bring extra burden. We will lose somewhere in semi finals perhaps.

England already has got one step in final. The only question is who will be the other team?
 
As I see it, one of Australia or England will be there in the finals. Depending on the draw, both can be in finals too.
 
Subcontinent sides generally do OK in Subcontinent world cups. 1987 both India and Pakistan make the semi final, 1996 - Sri Lanka win the cup, India make the SF, 2011 - India win the cup - SL contest the final, Pakistan make the SF.

I think India makes the final. And Pakistan gets knocked out at the SF stage.
 
India playing at home so with the home advantage this should be minimum requirement or you will see mass retirements.

Pakistan is also a good chance similar to Srilanka. Bangladesh can also spring a surprise. England are favorites so first we will have to hope England stutter somewhere
 
Big jolt for India but then they were playing the number one team!

India are expected to get the final - home support will be a big factor.
 
India is a failed cricketing nation and i expect them to complete their customary choke somewhere around the semi-final period. Despite every advantage humanly possible available to them they always fall short so i expect nothing different this time around.

They will win the balance sheet trophy as usual and a few Indians will be extremely happy with that.

There's a chance they could meet Pakistan in the semis but not beyond that.
 
This is an important victory for Pakistan. Ending the ODI WC streak at the home of the the team with the streak. Best way to end the streak. That “1” is going to loom larger over whatever the current win streak number is for India.
 
Indian Limited Overs team has a lot of holes in it. Non-aggressive players who take time to settle in and then get out due to the pressure they built on themselves.
 
Suleiman said:
This is an important victory for Pakistan. Ending the ODI WC streak at the home of the the team with the streak. Best way to end the streak. That “1” is going to loom larger over whatever the current win streak number is for India.
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We will choke as usual.
 
I think we may see one of these in the final:

- Australia vs England.
- Australia vs India.
- England vs India.

I expect Australia to win it regardless of who they face in final.
 
I think at least one of Australia/England will make it.

Their teams are deeper, better, and built for a WC run. India has home advantage but I don't think that's enough these days.
 
Pakistan's ODI team is on par with India's, but England and Australia are better than them both
 
Based on reports (as per BCCI sources)

“The ICC member countries have been demanding such guarantees and undertakings from the BCCI since long. The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) and the Pakistan government has already expressed concerns over safety and security of the team and fans by taking up the matter with the ICC. However, in the meeting the BCCI submitted no undertakings"

“Concerns are there within member countries on the BCCI failure to submit tax exemption certificates in time and to complete all other related formalities. What the BCCI has assured is that the Board is ready to make adjustments from their share in case the Indian government refuses any tax exemption"
 
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MenInG said:
Based on reports (as per BCCI sources)

“The ICC member countries have been demanding such guarantees and undertakings from the BCCI since long. The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) and the Pakistan government has already expressed concerns over safety and security of the team and fans by taking up the matter with the ICC. However, in the meeting the BCCI submitted no undertakings"

“Concerns are there within member countries on the BCCI failure to submit tax exemption certificates in time and to complete all other related formalities. What the BCCI has assured is that the Board is ready to make adjustments from their share in case the Indian government refuses any tax exemption"
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That settles everything.
 
I think neither are good enough to go that deep into the tournament. Eng, Aus and NZ are better sides than both.
 
Do not see this happening. England and Australia should make the semis though.

India , Pakistan and bangladesh two of these will make the other semis.
 
"The World Cup is scheduled for October-November but the BCCI and the ICC are yet to announce the schedule. Delhi and Chennai have been touted to be the venue options for the big India-Pakistan game but nothing has been confirmed."

AS per CricBuzz
 
MenInG said:
"The World Cup is scheduled for October-November but the BCCI and the ICC are yet to announce the schedule. Delhi and Chennai have been touted to be the venue options for the big India-Pakistan game but nothing has been confirmed."

AS per CricBuzz
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Both poor venues.

Why not Bangalore or Mohali? Just to bring back old memories :)
 
I dont see Pakistan or India reaching the finals. Pakistan is far behind top teams when it comes to ODI cricket particularly when it comes to batting. On the other hand, India has aging batting line up and haven't won anything big in the last 7-8 years.
 
Harbhajan Singh claimed that the intensity of the clash between MI and CSK is similar to that of a India vs Pakistan game.

“These are two of the best teams in IPL. And the match is taking place at Wankhede Stadium, where it is very difficult to beat MI. Both are big teams; one has 5 trophies, another has four. When these two teams meet, the atmosphere is similar to an India vs Pakistan clash,”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-ahead-of-ipl-2023-clash-101680951466186.html
 
Pakistan are 3rd favorites. Tied with Australia. To take it all ofc.

India are favorites overall, and right behind them (you can even say alongside them) are England.

Rest are distant behind these 4 to lift the cup.
 
MenInG said:
Harbhajan Singh claimed that the intensity of the clash between MI and CSK is similar to that of a India vs Pakistan game.

“These are two of the best teams in IPL. And the match is taking place at Wankhede Stadium, where it is very difficult to beat MI. Both are big teams; one has 5 trophies, another has four. When these two teams meet, the atmosphere is similar to an India vs Pakistan clash,”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-ahead-of-ipl-2023-clash-101680951466186.html
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[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] :))
 
I don't have high hopes for Pakistan making the final, our middle order is far too weak.
 
Pakistan will not even make the semi-finals just like 2019. The ODI team is absolutely horrible.
 
hitthestump said:
India is a failed cricketing nation and i expect them to complete their customary choke somewhere around the semi-final period. Despite every advantage humanly possible available to them they always fall short so i expect nothing different this time around.

They will win the balance sheet trophy as usual and a few Indians will be extremely happy with that.

There's a chance they could meet Pakistan in the semis but not beyond that.
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Calling failed cricketing nation is nonsense but other then that i agree with everything you said. I am more than certain that we will loose the tournament even after every possible thing will be driven in our favour by the BCCI from pitches to venue to schedule etc etc
 
topspin said:
How do you think Pakistan will do compared to Misbah's 2013 CT side?
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Will do better than that side obviously.

However, Pakistan will be playing with just two consistent batsmen - Imam and Babar. Fakhar is a complete hit and miss and Rizwan is not an ODI player still. They should be playing Haris Sohail at 5 (provided he's fit and in form) but I don't believe he'd even make the squad.

With regards to the bowling, the management (led by Mickey) will again be fixated with fast bowlers and will play 4 of them in some matches. There is not a single quality spinner who has the ability to take wickets in the middle overs. Shadab and Imad are complete frauds of being called spinners. Usama Mir should be given the nod ahead of both of them but I fear he's just one bad series away from being discarded for good.

India and England are virtual certainties for the semi-final spot. It just leaves two spots out of which NZ have been perennial semi-finalists in ICC events. Kane is a big miss for them but I still back them to find a way to sneak through. That just leaves 1 spot which will be fought between Australia, Pakistan, South Africa. Australia and SA have much more firepower than Pakistan at the moment. Also Afghanistan is a dark horse this time given the conditions will suit them. Certainly can see WI and SL losing to Afghanistan. Overall, Pakistan chances are not that great. But ofcourse, stranger things can happen.
 
shariqnoor said:
Will do better than that side obviously.

However, Pakistan will be playing with just two consistent batsmen - Imam and Babar. Fakhar is a complete hit and miss and Rizwan is not an ODI player still. They should be playing Haris Sohail at 5 (provided he's fit and in form) but I don't believe he'd even make the squad.

With regards to the bowling, the management (led by Mickey) will again be fixated with fast bowlers and will play 4 of them in some matches. There is not a single quality spinner who has the ability to take wickets in the middle overs. Shadab and Imad are complete frauds of being called spinners. Usama Mir should be given the nod ahead of both of them but I fear he's just one bad series away from being discarded for good.

India and England are virtual certainties for the semi-final spot. It just leaves two spots out of which NZ have been perennial semi-finalists in ICC events. Kane is a big miss for them but I still back them to find a way to sneak through. That just leaves 1 spot which will be fought between Australia, Pakistan, South Africa. Australia and SA have much more firepower than Pakistan at the moment. Also Afghanistan is a dark horse this time given the conditions will suit them. Certainly can see WI and SL losing to Afghanistan. Overall, Pakistan chances are not that great. But ofcourse, stranger things can happen.
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Fakhar average baring (2022) has been pretty good however i still think he will struggle on these slow sluggish wickets in India.
 
shariqnoor said:
Will do better than that side obviously.

However, Pakistan will be playing with just two consistent batsmen - Imam and Babar. Fakhar is a complete hit and miss and Rizwan is not an ODI player still. They should be playing Haris Sohail at 5 (provided he's fit and in form) but I don't believe he'd even make the squad.

With regards to the bowling, the management (led by Mickey) will again be fixated with fast bowlers and will play 4 of them in some matches. There is not a single quality spinner who has the ability to take wickets in the middle overs. Shadab and Imad are complete frauds of being called spinners. Usama Mir should be given the nod ahead of both of them but I fear he's just one bad series away from being discarded for good.

India and England are virtual certainties for the semi-final spot. It just leaves two spots out of which NZ have been perennial semi-finalists in ICC events. Kane is a big miss for them but I still back them to find a way to sneak through. That just leaves 1 spot which will be fought between Australia, Pakistan, South Africa. Australia and SA have much more firepower than Pakistan at the moment. Also Afghanistan is a dark horse this time given the conditions will suit them. Certainly can see WI and SL losing to Afghanistan. Overall, Pakistan chances are not that great. But ofcourse, stranger things can happen.
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The assumption is that the world cup is in the same format as the 2019 one where everybody plays everyone once and the top 4 goes to the semi-finals. If the format is something else, which I'm not aware of, then Pakistan may be able to reach semis.
 
You expect India to reach the SF in a home World Cup. Pakistan tends to play white ball cricket well in India too so it is entirely possible that both Pakistan and India will be in the semi finals and therefore a final is also possible.

I'm not sure my heart could take such a game and the emotions of it in front of 150k people in Ahmedabad of all places will make it a very impassioned and I am sure at times hysterical occasion for people on both sides. I think it will bring out the worst in us as humans, as South Asians, as Pakistanis and as Indians. I hope it doesn't happen.
 
With Pakistan finding form - could this happen?
 
MenInG said:
With Pakistan finding form - could this happen?
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No chance, as per usual Pakistan batsmen will crumble and be exposed as soon as its a high end pressure groups stage game or knock out game. Happens pretty much every world cup apart from 1992.
 
Amjid Javed said:
No chance, as per usual Pakistan batsmen will crumble and be exposed as soon as its a high end pressure groups stage game or knock out game. Happens pretty much every world cup apart from 1992.
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Spot on. If batsmen do half decent our bowling and fielding crumbles. It's silly to think this team is different.
 
This captain has low expectations from his team. The leader sets the tone. Take an example of the 3rd ODI comment after game where he was satisfied with the target of 260 if not for HERCULEAN effort from Shadab! Really? This low bar setting can only take you so far. It also shows that he can’t read the game properly. No Bueno for me. We will be lucky to win any proper bilateral series under this captain, let alone a grand tournament.
 
Pakistan are turning into a problem.

India’s World Cup window closed some years ago. We are not the best in the world.
 
Pakistans biggest issues will be when they bat 1st, there seems to be no game plan on how to put big scores batting 1st simply because if fakhar gets out early rest of batting is one paced and they take to long getting into a strong position, that means adding more pressure on weak middle order. .

If wickets are the expected pancakes the likes of India, Aus, eng will be racking up 350 regularly
 
India great Ravi Shastri has revealed the young batters that have impressed him during the ongoing IPL that could make a late run at being part of this year's ICC Men's Cricket World Cup.

While India already boast a number of strong top-order performers in the ilk of skipper Rohit Sharma, former captain Virat Kohli and the emerging Shubman Gill, Shastri believes the next crop of young batters are ready to take the next step and could replicate their form at the 50-over showcase should injuries arise to key players.

Young left-hander Yashasvi Jaiswal has been a standout so far at the IPL with a total of 575 runs for the Rajasthan Royals, while fellow southpaw Rinku Singh is another to have caught Shastri's eye following his final over heroics for the Kolkata Knight Riders against Gujarat Titans early in the tournament.

Shastri believes both Jaiswal and Rinku are more than capable of making the transition to international cricket in the future and was quick to nominate the pair as standout performers to host Sanjana Ganesan when speaking on the latest episode of The ICC Review.

"One is (Yashasvi) Jaiswal, simply because of the way he's played this season," Shastri said.

"And for me it is a marked improvement from what I saw from him last year, which is a very, very positive sign.

"It shows that there's a young guy prepared to work on his game, sort out things, get a more all-round game into play and he's done that this season.

"Just the power with which he's re-taking shots. Just the pockets he's hitting around the ground as opposed to last year is very good.

"The other bloke is Rinku Singh, which is a great story. The more I see of him, that guy has got a fabulous temperament. He's tough as nails.

"Both these guys have come through very hard backgrounds. They've worked very hard initially in their lives and nothing's come easy for them. So you can see that hunger, that passion, that drive that is so needed to make it to the top.”

But it's not just this pair that have stood out at the IPL for Shastri, with the India legend and respected commentator also liking the look of a host of other young players that are yet to earn an international cap for their country.

Shastri believes India's bowling attack is well set ahead of this year's World Cup, but thinks there are a group of young batters around the mark that could easily sneak into the final squad with continued good form prior to the tournament.

"As far as batting goes, there's Tilak Varma, there's Jitesh Sharma from Punjab (Kings) too who is a wicket-keeper-batter who's pretty dangerous and has stood out," Shastri noted.

Tilak Varma alongside India captain Rohit Sharma at MumbaiTilak Varma alongside India captain Rohit Sharma at Mumbai
"There's even Sai Sudarshan, a left-hander (who has also caught the eye).

"But I would put Tilak Varma, I would put Jaiswal, I'd put Rinku Singh. (They) are the candidates who can really push through along with Ruturaj Gaikwad, who's been around for a while.

"These are the guys who can push for selection, depending on their form closer to the World Cup. And depending on injuries. If there are injuries to any key players, then these guys can come straight away into the mix."

ICC
 
Ever since our batting improved, Pakistan and India games are different.

However Pakistan cant reach the finals of the world cup if they dont have quality spinners. Pakistan needs 3 good spinners in the squad
 
Major said:
Ever since our batting improved, Pakistan and India games are different.

However Pakistan cant reach the finals of the world cup if they dont have quality spinners. Pakistan needs 3 good spinners in the squad
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Spinners is a huge issue for us.

Shadab and Nawaz not cutting it atm but then we have no other proper options
 
MenInG said:
Spinners is a huge issue for us.

Shadab and Nawaz not cutting it atm but then we have no other proper options
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Pakistan should had taken a gamble with Abrar. I also believe they will have to bring imad back in place of Nawaz, because Nawaz cant take pressure.
 
Both poor side’s won’t get a sniff for a final place

If Aus/Eng are taking 50 over’s seriously these days it’ll be one of them !
 
Looking at the way India is scrapping through their matches, they won't reach finals. Pakistan has a real chance, so do Aussies and England. Sri Lanka and BD are long shots, but i don't think BD has big match skills. lets see..
 
How pakistan team is playing these days i am pretty much certain that one of the finalist would be Pakistan for sure.

Given the immense pressure India is likely to face, I believe their chances of reaching the semis are the highest they can achieve and going further might be a challenge.
 
If we just had one world class spinner even then game on, I think wel get to the semi final and we can just hope our opposition has a bad day and we can fluke it and then anything can happen in the final, having said that I think Shadab will do decent against non Asian sides apart from England.
 
Think currently the way both teams are playing, a slot in the World Cup Kabbadi final is a better possibility
 
In the 50 over edition so far India and Pakistan have met in the quarterfinals (1996) & semi finals (2011). The only knockout stage they have not met at is the finals of a 50 over World Cup.

If they do make it to the finals - the pre-match buzz is going to be insane. The expectation and anticipation is nothing the sports world would have ever seen. Given the political drama between these two countries - the hype - the pressure - it easily will be the most watched sporting event ever.
 
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