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Are the T20 Leagues now driving what Cricket will be played in the future?

Is ODI cricket heading for extinction?

How many other cricketers will follow suit?
 
I see cricketers from England, Australia and India doing this alot more than cricketers from other countries. Because nobody is playing the amount of cricket that the top cricketers from those countries are playing.
 
No, it shows that Stokes is an incredibly selfish cricketer.

Made himself unavailable for the India series and the WT20 in 2021, the two most high profile assignment for England cricket in the year.

Retired from ODIs before the 2023 World Cup even though England desperately need him. He used the "workload" excuse when England are going to play a grand total of 7 ODIs before the World Cup after his retirement.

I am looking forward to him bowling at 100 mph and running faster than Usain Bolt because he suddenly feels like an 18 year old because he will not be playing these 7 ODIs over the next 15 months.
 
Are the T20 Leagues now driving what Cricket will be played in the future?

Is ODI cricket heading for extinction?

How many other cricketers will follow suit?

1. Yes
2. Maybe
3. A fair few

ODI cricket's goose was cooked a long time ago. T20 leagues are clearly going to be the future and its a fact that most are just going to have to live with .

It is just not sustainable to have multiformat cricketers playing every other league/bilateral.

Just look at the quality multiformat cricketers over the years - KP retired from LOI cricket in 2012 at age 32 , AB took a break from cricket and then retired anyway at 34.
Kohli has been completely burnt out and he's not yet 34.

Reducing the international schedule and allowing greater flexibility for players to pick and choose is the way forward.
 
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It is just an indication of where the priorities lie for some of these players.

Stokes, for all his skills as the best all-rounder of this generation has dissapointed me on this occasion.

How can someone use the "workload excuse" and give up on a renowned proper cricket format instead of criticising the various T20 leagues who are killing both ODI and Test cricket with their batsman oriented rules and their never ending expansion of "windows" accorded to them by the ICC.

These leagues and the ICC are responsible for this, not the boards, and not ODI cricket.

Instead of having a go at the ICC for organising "too much bilateral cricket series", why didn't Mr. Stokes criticised the ICC for granting a special window to his IPL franchise, so that he can earn millions of dollars for his 2 months service to that circus.

It is shameful to use this "workload" excuse and literally abandon a format with the WC just one year away.

Sadly, this is where cricket is heading with the expansion of these IPL, PSL, BBL circuses.
 
Odi cricket will probably end , there seems no point to it anymore with the advent of t20 which is more captivating and a lot shorter .

Odi cricket lost its appeal when the 2 new balls came in and the older ball would routinely be changed this took the advantage away from the bowlers so no one wants to watch a 6/7 hour slogfest that most odi cricket has turned to on complete roads. We just saw how pant demolished England bowlers in 3rd odi , just nothing there for the bowlers.
 
Odi cricket lost its appeal when the 2 new balls came in and the older ball would routinely be changed this took the advantage away from the bowlers so no one wants to watch a 6/7 hour slogfest that most odi cricket has turned to on complete roads. We just saw how pant demolished England bowlers in 3rd odi , just nothing there for the bowlers.

Indeed. The two ball rule destroyed ODI cricket. It's weird how it's been spoken about for years at this point with nothing done about it.

ODI's may make a comeback but it needs to more of a bowlers game again. Essentially the balance is all wrong right now with 50 over cricket being a prolonged slogfest.

It used to be fascinating to watch a team need 75 off 60 balls against a reversing ball. That's where ODI cricket needs to be aiming again.
 
Wake up call was long time ago. Now you are just seeing results of inaction by boards.

Bilateral ODIs and T20Is are meaningless.

There is absolutely no structure to ODI cricket. We are randomly playing one team after another without much meaning. Heck, at least for India - they don't even feature first XI for teams like SL, WI etc.

CSA have scrapped an ODI series conceding points at the risk of losing direct qualification to WC lol. That should tell you how seriously boards take these "bilaterals"
 
It is just an indication of where the priorities lie for some of these players.

Stokes, for all his skills as the best all-rounder of this generation has dissapointed me on this occasion.

How can someone use the "workload excuse" and give up on a renowned proper cricket format instead of criticising the various T20 leagues who are killing both ODI and Test cricket with their batsman oriented rules and their never ending expansion of "windows" accorded to them by the ICC.

These leagues and the ICC are responsible for this, not the boards, and not ODI cricket.

Instead of having a go at the ICC for organising "too much bilateral cricket series", why didn't Mr. Stokes criticised the ICC for granting a special window to his IPL franchise, so that he can earn millions of dollars for his 2 months service to that circus.

It is shameful to use this "workload" excuse and literally abandon a format with the WC just one year away.

Sadly, this is where cricket is heading with the expansion of these IPL, PSL, BBL circuses.

Stokes does not play IPL anymore. He took himself out of the last auction.
 
Stokes does not play IPL anymore. He took himself out of the last auction.

Yes. He is also not in the Hundred this year.

Seems like from now on he will mainly captain the Test side and then play a few odd T20s.

Despite the best efforts of some to portray it as such, the facts suggest that this is not a selfish decision- and really is more likely the opposite.
 
Yes. He is also not in the Hundred this year.

Seems like from now on he will mainly captain the Test side and then play a few odd T20s.

Despite the best efforts of some to portray it as such, the facts suggest that this is not a selfish decision- and really is more likely the opposite.

James,

England will be playing a grand total of 7 ODIs after Stokes’ farewell ODI and the start of the 2023 World Cup.

The World Cup is 15 months away - this is no workload at all.

He can miss The Hundred, T20 Blast etc. to manage his workload but that has nothing to do with the fact that he is choosing to not represent England in a format where they will only be playing 7 matches until the World Cup.

The England ODI team is not in a good spot right now. The captain is gone, the new captain is struggling to lead the team and Stokes remains England’s premier all-rounder. Stokes could have easily retired after the World Cup.

ECB, the English media and the fans are trying hard to make this seem like a noble and selfless decision but it is what it is and they know it as well.

They did not see it coming and they don’t know how to defend this.

You know what would have been a selfless decision? Completely retiring from LOIs. This would have allowed England to develop a replacement in time for the World Cup next year.

Now, Stokes will keep getting picked in T20Is and England will not find a new all-rounder in time for the World Cup because they will never learn to move on from him in LOIs.

Why doesn’t he retire from T20Is? Well, it is going to put his IPL career at risk. He does not want to market himself as a Test specialist because of IPL money, and he doesn’t care enough to represent his country in a format where they are barely playing any matches before the World Cup anyway.
 
Stokes does not play IPL anymore. He took himself out of the last auction.

He will from now onwards. That is the whole point behind retiring from ODIs and not T20Is. Play Test cricket and IPL.

If workload was the reason he would have retired from T20Is as well.
 
If it would not have been the financial security of T20 leagues there is a big chance we would not have seen guys like ABD, Stokes, Malinga (In tests), Watson etc (At 32-33) retiring at the age they did, tons of WI players that lost interest in representing WI and quite a few other examples.

Before advent of leagues international cricket and county cricket was only main source of player’s income (Not including brand ambassadorships here), players used to push a lot more to keep their fitness and keep themselves going as there was no other avenue. Now you can earn good amount of money by just playing few T20 leagues around the world for few months.

Even if its about workload (There are only 7 ODIs he had to play before WC as Mamoon has mentioned), also why not take the workload down by talking with the management and selector rather then taking retirement?

So I don’t think its just to do with more international cricket rather, yes Eng has been playing more tests then others overall but I dont think the would have disallowed him a rest. The extra financial security players have had with leagues around I believe is the main factor.

The financial model of ICC needs revisiting in the current cricket world scenario. They have lost one of the star attractions of 2023 WC in a day out of the blue, maybe time to add more financial benefits to the board that are translated to players as well when they represent their team in an ICC tournament, there already is a sum but possibly time to increase in to increase the stakes associated with the tournament.
 
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Yes. He is also not in the Hundred this year.

Seems like from now on he will mainly captain the Test side and then play a few odd T20s.

Despite the best efforts of some to portray it as such, the facts suggest that this is not a selfish decision- and really is more likely the opposite.

He will from now onwards. That is the whole point behind retiring from ODIs and not T20Is. Play Test cricket and IPL.

If workload was the reason he would have retired from T20Is as well.

It is possible that he is planning on returning to the IPL. Just play Tests, IPL and the odd T20I.

Which is ok. We all live in the real world. If he wants the millions from an IPL contract, then all power to him. He gets to make his own decisions.

Given that IPL contracts will increase after the latest broadcasting deal, it will be very hard for players to forgo the $$$$$.
 
Nasser Hussain: Ben Stokes' ODI retirement for England a 'massive surprise'
Ben Stokes, England's Test captain, played key role in World Cup win in 2019 but says three formats "unsustainable" and will focus on red-ball cricket and T20Is

After Ben Stokes announced his retirement from one-day international cricket, Sky Sports' Nasser Hussain talks of his shock at the decision and looks at the contributing factors, including a 'crazy' cricketing schedule for players who feature in all three formats...

It came as a surprise, to be honest.

You thought he would be looked after, in terms of being rested from various white-ball tournaments and formats - he'd already announced he was going to miss white-ball series', and The Hundred. To completely knock 50-over cricket on the head is a massive surprise.

I guess it's the schedule. The cricketing schedule is absolutely crazy at the moment.

If you just play in the one format - say Test matches - it's absolutely fine. But if you're a multi-format, multi-dimensional player, and even a Test match captain like Stokes, who throws himself into his job 100 per cent on and off the field, eventually something's going to have to give.

For Ben, it is 50-over cricket, which is a real shame because he gave us and England fans their greatest day for a very long time in 2019, a day we'll never forget with that World Cup final win.

In a battle, if you ask me for one cricketer in the England side who's up for it in a tough situation, who's a winner - you can't teach that, you're not born with that - Stokes has that and he has that in abundance.

That World Cup final, if there's one cricketer you want at the end battling, it is Ben Stokes. The same with the Ashes Test match at Headingley that same summer.

He's a very bright, smart cricketer, he's a winner and he's a fighter.

'Cricket schedule is madness for players'
It is disappointing news to say the least but it is a reflection of where the cricketing schedule is at the moment. It is madness for players.

If the ICC just keep putting on ICC events and individual boards just keep filling the gaps with as much cricket as possible, eventually these cricketers will just say I'm done.

Stokes is done with one format aged 31, which can't be right, really. The schedule needs looking at, it is a bit of a joke at the moment.

It looks like 50-over cricket is the one everyone is looking at, because everyone loves Test match cricket and everyone loves T20 cricket.

The IPL is getting a wider window, so that'll go on for even longer and players will pull out. South Africa have also pulled out of a bilateral series coming up in white-ball cricket which could cost them qualification to the World Cup, and that is a big deal.

Could England have convinced him to stay?
Maybe you could say to Stokes, 'just have the time off that you need. If you need to miss any 50-over bilateral tournaments that's fine, we understand your workload, but we'd still like to consider you for the major world events'. He's that much of a player, and so important.

I reckon Ben just doesn't like holding people back. He said in his statement, he doesn't want to hold up the place of a team-mate, and I guess he wouldn't like it the other way round where a team-mate has played all the way through and then suddenly he strolls in for an ICC event.

Anyone that's seen Ben Stokes, will see he does everything at 100 per cent. He hasn't bowled that many overs this summer, and I think maybe his body is failing him a little bit.

Also, the pressure of being Test captain is immense. But it's the best job in the world and Stokes has won four from four.

You've got to remember that Ben, before taking the job, had to take a break from the game for his mental wellbeing. Even when you're winning, there are so many things when you become captain that fall on your plate, and he knows there will be more difficult times ahead.

It's been a great start, and we all wish it continues but there will be a downturn in form, there will be problems within the team, there will be issues that all end up at the captain's door.

Half the reasons [for his retirement] will be physical, and half will be mental, and mental in Ben's case is the fact he can't do things at 70, 80 per cent.

In a way, I respect him immensely for making that decision because that's how you want every England cricketer to turn up, giving it everything every single day.

'Stokes a truly remarkable cricketer'
Rob Key [England's managing directory of men's cricket] would have had this discussion with Stokes the moment they met.

They met at Durham even before he was announced [as captain], he went and sat with Ben for ages, found out the place Ben was in mentally and physically and would have mapped out the road ahead.

Sometimes it just hits you. It may have just hit him at the end of the game [against India]; he's in the dressing room, he's physically and mentally exhausted and he looks at his schedule coming up and he looks at what he needs to do with that Test match side.

I'm sure Key would have had conversations with Stokes about trying to do it a different way but in the end it's Stokes' decision.

One thing I know is that at Durham, it's going to be an incredibly emotional day.

He's not just going to stroll round and do a lap of honour, that is for certain. It'll be the same Ben Stokes we've seen for 104 one-day internationals. He won't want to make it all about himself.

Sky Sports
 
As cricket grapples with a massive scheduling problem, former India coach Ravi Shastri has called for reduction in T20 bilateral series, saying franchise cricket can be encouraged instead. As per ICC's next Futures Tours & Programme's (FTP) draft, there is set to be a massive increase in T20s and the IPL is also set to have a two-and-a-half-month exclusive window. With the increasing number of matches, multi-format players are feeling the load. England's premier all-rounder Ben Stokes shocked everyone be announcing retirement from ODIs on Monday.

The 31-year-old said playing three formats had become "unsustainable" for him.

Earlier this month, Cricket South Africa had decided to pull-out of their ODI series against Australia to ensure their players would be available for their new domestic T20 competition.

"I would be a little careful of the number of bilateral splits, especially in T20 cricket. There's a lot of franchise cricket which can be encouraged, whichever country it's in - India, West Indies, or Pakistan," Shastri said on a Telegraph's Sport's podcast.

"You play less bilaterals and then you get together for the World Cups. So the emphasis on ICC World Cup events becomes paramount. Then people look forward to them," he added.

Former England skipper Nasser Hussain has also slammed the crammed cricket calendar.

Shastri also suggested a two-tier Test set up to save the longest format from extinction.

"I think two tiers are needed, otherwise Test cricket will die in 10 years time.

"You need six teams at the top, and then six teams in the second and then you qualify. And those top six play against each other more often because of the corridor you open up by having less bilateral T20 cricket and just franchise cricket. That's the way all formats of the game can survive," he explained.

NDTV
 
Stokes does not play IPL anymore. He took himself out of the last auction.

I fully expect him to return to the IPL now that he has given up on ODIs. That is his main motive behind the decision.
 
Wasim Akram's views on this:

Should administrators consider scrapping ODI cricket

"I think so. In England, you have full houses. In India, Pakistan especially, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and South Africa, one-day cricket you are not going to fill the stadiums."

"They are doing it just for the sake of doing it. After the first ten overs, it’s just ‘OK, just go a run a ball, get a boundary, four fielders in, and you get to 200, 220 in 40 overs’ and then have a go last ten overs. Another 100. It’s kind of run-of-the-mill."

"Him [Stokes] deciding that he is retiring from one-day cricket is quite sad, but I agree with him. Even as a commentator. One-day cricket is just a drag now, especially after T20. I can imagine as a player. 50 overs, 50 overs, then you have to pre-game, post-game, the lunch game"

"T20 is kind of easier, four hours the game is over. The leagues all around the world, there is a lot more money - I suppose this is part and parcel of modern cricket. T20 or Test cricket. One-day cricket is kind of dying"
 
Wasim Akram's views on this:

Should administrators consider scrapping ODI cricket

"I think so. In England, you have full houses. In India, Pakistan especially, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and South Africa, one-day cricket you are not going to fill the stadiums."

"They are doing it just for the sake of doing it. After the first ten overs, it’s just ‘OK, just go a run a ball, get a boundary, four fielders in, and you get to 200, 220 in 40 overs’ and then have a go last ten overs. Another 100. It’s kind of run-of-the-mill."

"Him [Stokes] deciding that he is retiring from one-day cricket is quite sad, but I agree with him. Even as a commentator. One-day cricket is just a drag now, especially after T20. I can imagine as a player. 50 overs, 50 overs, then you have to pre-game, post-game, the lunch game"

"T20 is kind of easier, four hours the game is over. The leagues all around the world, there is a lot more money - I suppose this is part and parcel of modern cricket. T20 or Test cricket. One-day cricket is kind of dying"

Interesting viewpoint from Wasim.

Opinions seem to be growing around the 50 over format. If ODI cricket does get wound down, I wonder how much longer it will last. A decade?
 
Dont agree with players retiring from any format. If the country has a vast talent pool, they can afford to select different elevens for different formats, have an A and B team to give multiple players opportunities but the business of cricket must continue
 
I fear ODI will become irrelevant and obsolete very soon. Before 2005, ODIs were the only legitimate LOI format, and was loved by many people who didn't care/have time for test cricket. But now, T20s also exist as LOI format, and is much shorter. Any person can make time for an evening T20 match even after working 9-5.

ODIs would be fine if there were no T20 leagues. But T20 leagues do exist, and now people have gotten used to shorter formats. A lot of people who used to watch ODIs exclusively now watch T20s/T20Is only (especially Indians with IPL).

Tests are a prestige format and still played by Eng and Aus with passion. T20s have massive financial backing. Bilateral ODIs have neither.

As it is, bilateral ODIs and T20Is can not coexist, and one format has to go. Given how easy T20Is are to host, I don't see the point of keeping ODIs around.

ODIs are my favourite format in cricket, but I have accepted reality. Casuals fans have chosen their format of choice, and ODIs ain't it.
 
Ben Stokes' schedule warning heard, says ECB chief executive Clare Connor

Ben Stokes' warning over the schedule demands on top players has "absolutely" been heard, according to interim England and Wales Cricket Board chief executive Clare Connor.

England Test captain Stokes retired from one-day internationals last month, partly over the relentless schedule.

He and Jonny Bairstow have also opted out of The Hundred in order to rest.

"We have to listen to those who are being expected to deliver, entertain and inspire," said Connor.

The former England women's captain temporarily stepped up from her role as the ECB's managing director of women's cricket in June when Tom Harrison left his post as chief executive.

Connor is likely to be in the interim role until at least the autumn and has not ruled out applying for the job full-time. Separately, a new chair of the board is set to be appointed imminently.

In a wide-ranging interview Connor told BBC Sport:

  • It is a "huge blow" for The Hundred to be missing Stokes and Bairstow
  • The "healing" process following the racism scandal has begun
  • English cricket should brace itself for more discomfort from an independent report into equity in the game, due later this year
  • The women's T20 competition in the Commonwealth Games will paint a "favourable picture" for cricket's bid to be included in the Olympics
  • "Unpopular" decisions may have to be taken over the domestic structure in order to benefit the England men's teams

'We have listened closely to Ben'
After announcing his retirement from ODIs, Stokes said: "There is too much cricket rammed in for people to play all three formats now.

"We are not cars, you can't just fill us up and we'll go out there and be ready to be fuelled up again."

Connor, who won more than 100 caps for England, said she does not have "all the answers" for easing the packed calendar, but does understand the need to limit what is being asked of players.

"We have listened closely to what Ben has said," she said. "It's something that we have got to grapple with - that's us with players, other boards, the International Cricket Council and the Professional Cricketers' Association.

"The players are at the heart of what we need to do to take the game forward. Without them, we don't have a game that has got the wow factor to inspire."

The Hundred began on Wednesday, with defending men's champions Southern Brave comfortably defeating Welsh Fire.

Though Connor acknowledged the detrimental absences of Stokes and international team-mate Bairstow, along with injured England captain Heather Knight from the women's tournament, she said the competition will not suffer from "second-season syndrome".

Connor pointed to ticket sales that had reached 500,000 before the tournament started, only 10,000 short of the total sold for last year's inaugural event.

"The whole game should have confidence we're in for another brilliant month of 100-ball cricket," she said.

'The healing has started'
Connor has taken over as chief executive following a year when English cricket was engulfed by allegations of racism from former Yorkshire spinner Azeem Rafiq and others.

Rafiq labelled the English game "institutionally racist", while a parliamentary report recommended public funding should be withheld unless "continuous, demonstrable progress" on eradicating "deep-seated racism" was made.

In response, in November the ECB published a five-point plan, including "12 tangible actions" aimed at tackling discrimination and racism.

"The game came together and said sorry to the people it had let down," said Connor. "We aren't where we need to be but we are making really good progress.

"I think the healing has started. We completely recognise that we aren't yet the modern, inclusive sport that we need to be for everybody to feel welcome in it.

"It's about cricket being a game for everyone, becoming gender balanced, serving communities that it has let down in the past."

In June, Yorkshire and a number of individuals were charged by the ECB in relation to the allegations of racism at the club.

One of those charged, former coach Andrew Gale, has said he will not engage with the process, has not been interviewed by the ECB and has had his "life defined by unsubstantiated allegations".

However, Connor said "categorically" that the disciplinary process, led by the independent Cricket Disciplinary Commission, has been fair to all parties.

"I am under no illusion to the well-being challenge this is presenting to many people," said Connor.

"I am completely confident it is robust, fair and will reach a conclusion that we need to reach in order to move on."

Separately from the racism investigation, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket is due to publish a report later this year.

"I don't think we should be under illusions that the game probably has got another period of discomfort to accept and grow from," added Connor.

"What they tell us I trust will be a fair picture of our reality and the truth in where cricket still needs to improve. We have to embrace that."

Possible 'unpopular' decisions over domestic game
Former England captain Andrew Strauss is leading a "high-performance review" designed to make the men's national side the best team in the world across all three formats of the game.

Part of the review is likely to involve recommendations for changes to the structure of the domestic game.

On Wednesday, The Cricketer reported on a fan survey which showed opposition to a reduction of County Championship matches, which Stokes then appeared to support on Twitter.

"Ab so bloody lutely," he wrote.

Although Connor explained it is too early to know what the recommendations will be, she said "unpopular" decisions could be taken if they are for the betterment of the England team.

"The key mission of the high-performance review are about the England men's team being the world's best across three formats," she said.

"The men's domestic structure is a core part of that in terms of where players are developed and how English cricket as a system plays its part in that overall ambition.

"It's an opportunity for cricket to move forward and have systemic improvements."

"50-50" on 2028 Olympic inclusion
Connor admitted she was "tearful" when she saw the England team take part in the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony, with a T20 competition for women marking cricket's return to the event after a 24-year absence.

More than 150,000 tickets have been sold for the matches at Edgbaston, meaning the Games will have a higher average attendance than any other global women's cricket tournament.

Connor admitted she was "50-50" on whether cricket will succeed in its push to be included in the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles, but does believe the success of the Commonwealths will boost the bid.

"Viewing figures, ticket sales and momentum around women's sport will paint a favourable picture," she said.

"Conversations are ongoing with the ICC and International Olympic Committee around how cricket could feature in the 2028 Olympics and what that would be. Would it be an under-age tournament, men and women, or just women? All of that is to be worked through."

When asked if she wanted to keep the chief executive position on a permanent basis, Connor admitted she had not been "put off" by her temporary time in the role.

"It is an honour to be in this position," she said. "I'm enjoying it and I'll see where I am in the coming months."

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