Is BJP the heir apparent to Nazi Party's propoganda machine in the 21st century?

[HalBass9]

So Martians came and voted for Obama ( twice ) ?

Lol. Acting smart and yet so ignorant.

Think about how you want to support slaughtering of over 200k Indians.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol. Acting smart and yet so ignorant.

Think about how you want to support slaughtering of over 200k Indians.

Where were 200k Indians slaughtered?

 

[cricketjoshila]

You seem overly desperate to gain approval from Muslims, attempting to justify and make excuses for a politician who suggests that over 200,000 Indian citizens should be slaughtered over religious beliefs.

You don’t need my approval or anyone else’s to try and downplay your extremist views, but anyone with a shred of humanity will never agree with you.

Do as you wish, and I’m sure you’ll get a few likes from your fellow Hindutva supporters. You’ve made your stance clear, and there’s nothing more to add.

200k Indians were not slaughtered over religious beliefs.

But Al Qaida Isis LeT JeM Hamas etc have slaughtered many more over religious beliefs.

 

[HalBass9]

200k Indians were not slaughtered over religious beliefs.

But Al Qaida Isis LeT JeM Hamas etc have slaughtered many more over religious beliefs.

I hope, though you can never be sure with Hindutva followers,that, unlike your fellow supporter ‘uppercut,’ you don’t condone a BJP leader suggesting that over 200,000 Indians should be slaughtered simply because they may or may not have had a steak sandwich.

And enough with “what about this” lol.

 

[Hitman]

Where were 200k Indians slaughtered?

I think we both know which country slaughtered 3 million people and raped 200,000 women from their own country.

 

[Hikaru]

Just like Nazi Party faced their demise, I also expect BJP to collapse at some point.

In human history, no evil empire/state lasted for long.

True, BJP and Sanatan will make sure of that. <3

 

[uppercut]

Lol. Acting smart and yet so ignorant.

What I said about Obama is factually correct. therefore you are the ignorant

 

[uppercut]

True, BJP and Sanatan will make sure of that. <3

somebody got pwned real bad .... uffff

 

[Hitman]

Lol. Acting smart and yet so ignorant.

Think about how you want to support slaughtering of over 200k Indians.

How is he ignorant? How do you explain Americans voting Obama as their President twice if there is racism in USA?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I hope, though you can never be sure with Hindutva followers,that, unlike your fellow supporter ‘uppercut,’ you don’t condone a BJP leader suggesting that over 200,000 Indians should be slaughtered simply because they may or may not have had a steak sandwich.

And enough with “what about this” lol.

Killing a cow is a criminal offence in India.

No Indian was slaughtered. But 100s of 1000s have been killed by Al Qaida ISIS LeT JeM Hamas Taliban etc etc in the name of their religion.

 

[uppercut]

lol. No sir. No one is disrespecting Hindu by having a steak just as no one disrespect Muslims by having pork chops. Everyone is practicing their beliefs in a civilized society.

Your extremist beliefs have made you mentally handicapped to realize that simple fact.

except that the pig is not equivalent to a cow in the context of Hindu/muslim conflict ( unless you claim to be a animal rights activist ... lol )

 

[uppercut]

Killing a cow is a criminal offence in India.

Not according to Muslims who have their own "rules and regulations" .

 

[uppercut]

How is he ignorant?

since I am not a Muslim, by default everything that I say is not true even if it is in the context of International relationships .. that's how he and most Muslims process responses from Indian posters

 

[HalBass9]

How is he ignorant? How do you explain Americans voting Obama as their President twice if there is racism in USA?

lol,
You have no idea what you are talking about. Even Obama would acknowledge “systemic racism” in the USA.

Lol

 

[HalBass9]

since I am not a Muslim, by default everything that I say is not true even if it is in the context of International relationships .. that's how he and most Muslims process responses from Indian posters

Yes you are ignorant not because you are not Muslim but because you want to impose religious supremacy and those who do not agree with you then you have made it clear to support slaughtering as a last resort. That is ignorance, unless one is Hindutva.

 

[HalBass9]

except that the pig is not equivalent to a cow in the context of Hindu/muslim conflict ( unless you claim to be a animal rights activist ... lol )

lol.

Both has to do with religion.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Another day, another propaganda exposed
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"Reality of Modi govt and its propaganda machine...": Jairam Ramesh slams BJP on satellite spectrum

Congress leader Jairam Ramesh on Monday launched a sharp attack on the BJP-led government over its decision to allocate spectrum for satellite-based communications through administrative processes rather than auctions.Jairam Ramesh accused the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) of double standards, highlighting how the party had previously reaped political benefits by opposing similar practices during the UPA tenure."The BJP built an entire propaganda machine to discredit the UPA over administrative spectrum allocation. Today, they are doing exactly the same thing," Ramesh said in a post on X.He also referred to the acquittal of all accused in the 2G case by a CBI court, which had dismissed the charges as being based on "rumour, gossip, and speculation." The court had criticised the government's chargesheet for its reliance on "misreading, selective reading, and out-of-context reading" of records, declaring there was no evidence of criminality.Ramesh argued that the BJP's current decision undermines its previous claims of advocating transparency and fairness through auctions.In a post on X, Ramesh wrote, "A parliamentary question has confirmed that the Modi government has decided to assign spectrum for satellite-based communications administratively, without auctions, despite demands from many sections.

The government has stated on the record that 'spectrum assigned administratively are also chargeable and hence contribute to revenue,' a position contrary to what the PM has been loudly proclaiming for many years."He added, "Recall that the BJP reaped huge political dividends from the media frenzy generated by its proxies in the government over the UPA's allocation of 2G spectrum by administrative processes rather than auctions. Fraudulent revenue loss projections and an overactive judiciary ended up doing huge damage to the investment environment in telecoms."The post further stated, "Yet, at the end of an exhaustive trial, the CBI court acquitted all the accused, stating in the strongest terms that the entire affair was built on 'public perception created by rumour, gossip and speculation.'

The judgement stated that 'there is no evidence on the record produced before the Court indicating any criminality in the acts allegedly committed by the accused' and that the government's chargesheet was 'based mainly on a misreading, selective reading, non-reading and out-of-context reading of the official record.'""This is the reality of the Modi government and its propaganda machine--of its cronies, for its cronies, and by its cronies," Ramesh concluded.The move, confirmed through a parliamentary response, has drawn criticism for contradicting the BJP's earlier stance on spectrum allocation--a stance that was pivotal in the political narrative against the UPA government during the 2G spectrum controversy.The controversy has reignited debates over spectrum allocation policies and their implications for the telecom and satellite communication sectors, with opposition parties questioning the BJP's consistency and motives. (ANI)

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/politics/reality-of-modi-govt-and-its-propaganda-machine-jairam-ramesh-slams-bjp-on-satellite-spectrum20241216215119/

 

[uppercut]

lol.

Both has to do with religion.

But in your religion the pig has the exact opposite stature to what the cow has in Hinduism.

So if you want to make a comparison it would have to be with something that you consider sacred according to your beliefs and not with a pig that is actually despised or reviled and has no sanctity.

So you tell me what is the most sacred thing/belief per your religion that you expect non-muslims to respect unconditionally.

Drawing the prophets picture is the Closest that I can think of that comes remotely close to harming a cow ( the cow is actually far more sacred than that ).

 

[The Bald Eagle]

But in your religion the pig has the exact opposite stature to what the cow has in Hinduism.

So if you want to make a comparison it would have to be with something that you consider sacred according to your beliefs and not with a pig that is actually despised or reviled and has no sanctity.

So you tell me what is the most sacred thing/belief per your religion that you expect non-muslims to respect unconditionally.

Drawing the prophets picture is the Closest that I can think of that comes remotely close to harming a cow ( the cow is actually far more sacred than that ).

This is off topic stuff so please bump some other thread.
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And about your comparison as I always say it's faulty. If you want a like for like although above one should be one. But being absolutely similar.

In Islam the people who don't keep fast are expected NOT to eat before someone fasting as you believe cows should NOT be eaten by anyone. So instead of respecting it there are multiple videos on YT from India where right wing goons are Forcing Muslims to eat during fast let alone have some respect for their fasting and avoiding eating in front of them.

PS: Fasting is sacred in Islam and one of the pillar of faith

 

[uppercut]

Yes you are ignorant not because you are not Muslim but because you want to impose religious supremacy and those who do not agree with you then you have made it clear to support slaughtering as a last resort. That is ignorance, unless one is Hindutva.

Wah ji wah ... here you are labeling me as religious supremacist when it is you who is stubbornly refusing to respect Hindu beliefs and are not even apologetic about it ... in fact you openly support those who engage in such acts of religious intolerance and expect me to to tolerate that because in your mind it is your right to actually not respect Hindu beliefs. Classic case of bigotry.

This is like a thief claiming that thievery is his right and expects compliance from the Police.

 

[HalBass9]

Wah ji wah ... here you are labeling me as religious supremacist when it is you who is stubbornly refusing to respect Hindu beliefs and are not even apologetic about it ... in fact you openly support those who engage in such acts of religious intolerance and expect me to to tolerate that because in your mind it is your right to actually not respect Hindu beliefs. Classic case of bigotry.

This is like a thief claiming that thievery is his right and expects compliance from the Police.

Make sense now, you don’t even understand the meaning of “religious superamacist” or you are trying to change the meaning of it.

 

[HalBass9]

But in your religion the pig has the exact opposite stature to what the cow has in Hinduism.

So if you want to make a comparison it would have to be with something that you consider sacred according to your beliefs and not with a pig that is actually despised or reviled and has no sanctity.

So you tell me what is the most sacred thing/belief per your religion that you expect non-muslims to respect unconditionally.

Drawing the prophets picture is the Closest that I can think of that comes remotely close to harming a cow ( the cow is actually far more sacred than that ).

For Muslim to draw is prohibited, for Muslim to kill over it isn’t acceptable.

 

[uppercut]

For Muslim to draw is prohibited, for Muslim to kill over it isn’t acceptable.

This is a complete lie. Just lookup how many Islamic countries have capital punishment for blasphemy including Pakistan.

And BTW the Cow is actually worshiped as it is considered to be the abode of ALL hindu gods. So it is a far more important and sacred practice than the ban on drawing prophet.

 

[HalBass9]

This is a complete lie. Just lookup how many Islamic countries have capital punishment for blasphemy including Pakistan.

And BTW the Cow is actually worshiped as it is considered to be the abode of ALL hindu gods. So it is a far more important and sacred practice than the ban on drawing prophet.

lol.

Learn to read without getting emotional.

 

[HalBass9]

This is a complete lie. Just lookup how many Islamic countries have capital punishment for blasphemy including Pakistan.

And BTW the Cow is actually worshiped as it is considered to be the abode of ALL hindu gods. So it is a far more important and sacred practice than the ban on drawing prophet.

Cow could be ultimate supreme power in the world but no one should be supporting to slaughter over 200k over it.

 

[uppercut]

Cow could be ultimate supreme power in the world but no one should be supporting to slaughter over 200k over it.

Again find a way to upgrade from Neanderthal to homo-sapien and there wont be a need for anyone to seek corrective measures.... very simple solution really.

You can do it and science has proven that it can be done.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is a complete lie. Just lookup how many Islamic countries have capital punishment for blasphemy including Pakistan.

And BTW the Cow is actually worshiped as it is considered to be the abode of ALL hindu gods. So it is a far more important and sacred practice than the ban on drawing prophet.

But even large proportions of Hindus don't believe that, so why would it be part of legislation?

 

[uppercut]

But even large proportions of Hindus don't believe that, so why would it be part of legislation?

Its about time you realize that the real world out there is much different from the utterly idiotic views that you have formed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Its about time you realize that the real world out there is much different from the utterly idiotic views that you have formed.

Interesting that your response didn't even attempt to address what I actually said.

 

[uppercut]

Interesting that your response didn't even attempt to address what I actually said.

It did ... it went straight to the root of the Problem Which is your faulty process of forming views

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It did ... it went straight to the root of the Problem Which is your faulty process of forming views

Still going full on ad hominem to skirt the point I see.

 

[uppercut]

Still going full on ad hominem to skirt the point I see.

whatever I said about you is factually correct and is a direct rresult of having discussed so many issues over the last 2 yrs with you and it is obvious that you live in a Bizarro World that is far removed from reality.

You have never lived in India to experience first hand what the situation is like in India and further more you are highly susceptible to Echo Chamberitis as your primary source of information is from social media and questionable sources. To complicate things further you Do not have the patience or discipline to sort out facts from fiction. Heck simple logical deduction would suffice to answer the question on cows.

This is why you hold such erroneous views that cows are not sacred, all hindu judges are right wing radicals, that all religious communities have contemp for others, that politicalleaders from European countries coming Out in open and calling out Islamic Extremism means nothing and is comparable to What the dot busters did and on and on and on.....

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

whatever I said about you is factually correct

The topic is not me, neither can you prove any of your rants about me are factually correct.

Just stick to the topic and address that rather than the posters please.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The topic is not me, neither can you prove any of your rants about me are factually correct.

Just stick to the topic and address that rather than the posters please.

Guys steer away from personal jibes and stick to the thread topic thanks.

 

[uppercut]

Guys steer away from personal jibes and stick to the thread topic thanks.

not possible when People dont believe In simple concepts like Common Courtesy , respect for others Beliefs.

 

[HalBass9]

Again find a way to upgrade from Neanderthal to homo-sapien and there wont be a need for anyone to seek corrective measures.... very simple solution really.

You can do it and science has proven that it can be done.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey here. Everyone on this forum is a Homo sapien. Among them, only supporters of Hindutva are promoting and backing a politician who advocates slaughtering fellow humans over an animal, a behavior reminiscent of Neanderthals, who acted that way due to a lack of civilization.

It appears you’re struggling to defend those who support such massacres, which explains your immature comments and attempts to twist the meanings of words.

 

[uppercut]

I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey here. Everyone on this forum is a Homo sapien.

Absolutely not. Because otherwise you would have realized by now That cows are very Sacred for hindus and you need to be respectful of people who believe in that... just as there is an unwritten Expectation from Hindus to be respectful of Muslim beliefs and sensitivities

Among them, only supporters of Hindutva are promoting and backing a politician who advocates slaughtering fellow humans over an animal, a behavior reminiscent of Neanderthals, who acted that way due to a lack of civilization.

It appears you’re struggling to defend those who support such massacres, which explains your immature comments and attempts to twist the meanings of words.

 

[HalBass9]

Absolutely not. Because otherwise you would have realized by now That cows are very Sacred for hindus and you need to be respectful of people who believe in that... just as there is an unwritten Expectation from Hindus to be respectful of Muslim beliefs and sensitivities

You, along with the majority of Hindutva supporters, have made it clear that you lack respect not only for fellow human beings but also for other religions, especially when you label anyone who disagrees with your beliefs as an ‘animal.’

Cows may be sacred to Hindus, but that is not the case for the rest of the world. No one is asking Hindus to sacrifice a cow, just as Hindus don’t object when shopping at grocery stores that sell sliced steak.

Whenever followers of any religion, including yourself, promote or support the idea of a massacre over a religion in the year 2024, it must be condemned as uncivil and unacceptable behavior.

 

[uppercut]

You, along with the majority of Hindutva supporters, have made it clear that you lack respect not only for fellow human beings but also for other religions, especially when you label anyone who disagrees with your beliefs as an ‘animal.’

Once Again if you lack the basic decency to respect others beliefs and worse double down on your primitive behavior despite being told in multiple different ways you cannot expect to be treated in civilized norms.

Cows may be sacred to Hindus, but that is not the case for the rest of the world.

Not in India

No one is asking Hindus to sacrifice a cow, just as Hindus don’t object when shopping at grocery stores that sell sliced steak.

Again not in India.

 

[HalBass9]

Once Again if you lack the basic decency to respect others beliefs and worse double down on your primitive behavior despite being told in multiple different ways you cannot expect to be treated in civilized norms.





Not in India




Again not in India.

No one is forcing Hindus to sacrifice animals, yet Hindutva ideologies advocate for the persecution of fellow citizens, labeling them as ‘animals.’ This appears to reflect a primitive mindset rooted in Hindutva.

Their belief system seems territorial, willing to target individuals within India over a steak, but unbothered when shopping at stores abroad that openly sell the same. This suggests that Hindutva prioritizes enforcing religious supremacy within India, while their beliefs take a backseat outside the country.

This raises a question, Is the belief system inherently weak, or is the drive to impose religious dominance over those they label as ‘animals’ stronger? It cannot be both.

 

[uppercut]

No one is forcing Hindus to sacrifice animals, yet Hindutva ideologies advocate for the persecution of fellow citizens, labeling them as ‘animals.’ This appears to reflect a primitive mindset rooted in Hindutva.

Once again It is our religious responsibility to protect cows. There is a reason why it a punishable offense IN INDIA. What part of it do you not understand? Ask me and I will explain it for the Nth time using smaller simpler words.

Their belief system seems territorial, willing to target individuals within India over a steak, but unbothered when shopping at stores abroad that openly sell the same. This suggests that Hindutva prioritizes enforcing religious supremacy within India, while their beliefs take a backseat outside the country.

This raises a question, Is the belief system inherently weak, or is the drive to impose religious dominance over those they label as ‘animals’ stronger? It cannot be both.

This Whataboutery has been explained extensively in other threads.

 

[HalBass9]

Once again It is our religious responsibility to protect cows. There is a reason why it a punishable offense IN INDIA. What part of it do you not understand? Ask me and I will explain it for the Nth time using smaller simpler words.




This Whataboutery has been explained extensively in other threads.

Every religion carries its responsibilities, but no one should advocate for the massacre of thousands or condone lynching. While Hinduism reveres cows, it is highly doubtful that Hinduism itself promotes violence against those who consume beef. Such actions are more aligned with Hindutva, a radicalized interpretation of the faith. Present day India appears to be leaning towards a radicalized religious ideology, something many followers of other faiths have been striving to distinguish themselves from.

The only explanation that was received was that, it’s not India, it sound more like an excuse to support the threats of mass murder.

 

[uppercut]

Every religion carries its responsibilities, but no one should advocate for the massacre of thousands or condone lynching.

Hold on ... if you want to go down the advocating business ... we need to start from the very beginning. This whole thing starts because Muslims have ABSOLUTELY NO COMPUNCTIONS, MORALS , OR ETHICS when it comes to respecting Hindu beliefs ( Hence why categorized as Animals ). Now MOST importantly this despicable behavior pattern is going on for CENTURIES !!!!

Now, if you object to that classification then the first order of business should be that YOU start first practicing the concept of decency, common courtesy and respect towards others beliefs (which is the basic expectation of any human being)

So therefore why are Cows being harmed in India in the first place even in 2024? Shouldn't prevention and unconditional condemnation of such despicable acts be the first and ONLY order of business ? Answer that CLEARLY if you are so big on civilized behavior.

While Hinduism reveres cows, it is highly doubtful that Hinduism itself promotes violence against those who consume beef.

Why do you think its a Punishable offense then ? You think someone randomly made up that law for no good reasons?

Such actions are more aligned with Hindutva, a radicalized interpretation of the faith. Present day India appears to be leaning towards a radicalized religious ideology, something many followers of other faiths have been striving to distinguish themselves from.

The only explanation that was received was that, it’s not India, it sound more like an excuse to support the threats of mass murder.

Yeah its quite remarkable how YOU JUST COMPLETELY ignore the fact that this is being going on for centuries and that all civilized means have been tried. What part of there is no other choice left that you do not understand ?

So in other words you need to be having this discussion with your fellow from your religion who are soo brazen and blatant that they don't have any compunctions in harming cows IN INDIA in 2024!! Why are you even expecting a different outcome for such brazen thuggery ?

 

[HalBass9]

Hold on ... if you want to go down the advocating business ... we need to start from the very beginning. This whole nonsense starts because Muslims have ABSOLUTELY NO COMPUNCTIONS, MORALS , OR ETHICS when it comes to respecting Hindu beliefs ( Hence why categorized as Animals ). Now MOST importantly this despicable behavior pattern is going on for CENTURIES !!!!

Now, if you object to that classification then the first order of business should be that YOU start first practicing the concept of decency, common courtesy and respect towards others beliefs (which is the basic expectation of any human being)

So therefore why are Cows being harmed in India in the first place even in 2024? Shouldn't prevention and unconditional condemnation of such despicable acts be the first and ONLY order of business ? Answer that CLEARLY if you are so big on civilized behavior.


Why do you think its a Punishable offense then ? You think someone randomly made up that law for no good reasons?



Yeah its quite remarkable how YOU JUST COMPLETELY ignore the fact that this is being going on for centuries and that all civilized means have been tried. What part of there is no other choice left that you do not understand ?

So in other words you need to be having this discussion with your fellow from your religion who are soo brazen and blatant that they don't have any compunctions in harming cows IN INDIA in 2024!! Why are you even expecting a different outcome for such brazen thuggery ?

I doubt anyone would take a lecture on compulsion, morals, and ethics from someone who refers to fellow human beings as ‘animals’ and supports a politician advocating for the slaughter of thousands simply because they hold different beliefs, in 2024, no less. You don’t need to look far back, just take a good look in the mirror.

 

[uppercut]

I doubt anyone would take a lecture on compulsion, morals, and ethics from someone who refers to fellow human beings as ‘animals’ and supports a politician advocating for the slaughter of thousands simply because they hold different beliefs, in 2024, no less. You don’t need to look far back, just take a good look in the mirror.

What came first the animal behavior of Muslims for centuries or the response from Hindus ?

Go ahead tell me why cows are being harmed in the first place ? I have asked that question a dozens times and you doggedly DO NOT JUST ANSWER THAT BUT EXPECT ALL NICETIES OF CIVILIZED NORMS FROM HINDUS IN RESPONSE. THAT IS CLASSIC ANIMAL BEHAVIOR.

Go ahead answer that question if you are soo certain that you are on the right side of this debate.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic and make no personal remarks now

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Once again It is our religious responsibility to protect cows. There is a reason why it a punishable offense IN INDIA.

If that is true, then why are there states where it is not punishable offence? Like Kerala for example?

 

[MP2011]

If that is true, then why are there states where it is not punishable offence? Like Kerala for example?

Not just Kerala, these are several other Indian states/UTs where cow slaughter isn't a punishable offence,

Arunachal Pradesh,
Goa,
Meghalaya,
Mizoram,
Nagaland,
Tripura,
West Bengal,
Dadra and Nagar Haveli &
Daman and Diu and
Puducherry

Mind you, majority of these states/UTs have a sanghi/allies' government in place, and for multiple terms now.

 

[HalBass9]

What came first the animal behavior of Muslims for centuries or the response from Hindus ?

Go ahead tell me why cows are being harmed in the first place ? I have asked that question a dozens times and you doggedly DO NOT JUST ANSWER THAT BUT EXPECT ALL NICETIES OF CIVILIZED NORMS FROM HINDUS IN RESPONSE. THAT IS CLASSIC ANIMAL BEHAVIOR.

Go ahead answer that question if you are soo certain that you are on the right side of this debate.

Jews are allowed to sacrifice cows as long as they follow their religious teachings and believe it to be the most respectful way to perform the ritual.

Muslims are also permitted to sacrifice cows, provided they adhere to their religious guidelines and view the act as respectful.

Christians generally believe in stunning animals before slaughter, considering it the most humane and respectful method of sacrifice.

Hindus typically revere cows and believe they should not be sacrificed. While most Hindus uphold this principle, there seems to be no widely recognized scripture in Hinduism that advocates violence or the killing of those who consume beef. Such a scripture is highly unlikely to exist in Hinduism, I’m almost 100% certain though I could be mistaken.

Hindutva ideology, however, has been linked to acts of lynching and support for politicians who endorse violence, including the mass killing of individuals, simply for consuming beef.

In a historical context, if we consider the question of who has more “right” over a cow, Hindutva extremist bigotry ranks at the very bottom. Hindutva extremism is a relatively recent phenomenon, arising long after other religions had established practices involving the consumption of beef and after many in India converted to Islam.

Let’s not try to hijack hinduism for your extremist bigoted agenda.

 

[uppercut]

Jews are allowed to sacrifice cows as long as they follow their religious teachings and believe it to be the most respectful way to perform the ritual.

Muslims are also permitted to sacrifice cows, provided they adhere to their religious guidelines and view the act as respectful.

Christians generally believe in stunning animals before slaughter, considering it the most humane and respectful method of sacrifice.

Hindus typically revere cows and believe they should not be sacrificed. While most Hindus uphold this principle, there seems to be no widely recognized scripture in Hinduism that advocates violence or the killing of those who consume beef. Such a scripture is highly unlikely to exist in Hinduism, I’m almost 100% certain though I could be mistaken.

Hindutva ideology, however, has been linked to acts of lynching and support for politicians who endorse violence, including the mass killing of individuals, simply for consuming beef.

In a historical context, if we consider the question of who has more “right” over a cow, Hindutva extremist bigotry ranks at the very bottom. Hindutva extremism is a relatively recent phenomenon, arising long after other religions had established practices involving the consumption of beef and after many in India converted to Islam.

Let’s not try to hijack hinduism for your extremist bigoted agenda.

Don't really give a rats tail what other religions do in their own countries. But based on your long winded answer it appears that you are supporting Muslims in India who have a long track record of having no considerations at all for Hindu beliefs.

Confirm if you agree with that conclusion. A simple yes/no will do.

 

[HalBass9]

Don't really give a rats tail what other religions do in their own countries. But based on your long winded answer it appears that you are supporting Muslims in India who have a long track record of having no considerations at all for Hindu beliefs.

Confirm if you agree with that conclusion. A simple yes/no will do.

You are free to draw your own conclusions, as the question has always been whether Hindutva is inherently violent.

Hindutva has demonstrated its willingness to perpetrate violence against Indians based on their beliefs, driven by extremist, bigoted religious supremacism. This is the conclusion you helped everyone reached regarding Hindutva.

 

[uppercut]

You are free to draw your own conclusions,

Finally !!! Phew !!

as the question has always been whether Hindutva is inherently violent.

Thats YOUR agenda to lay the blame on Hindus and worse bat for the extremist jihadis in India. and we now know why. Nothing surprising at all.

Hindutva has demonstrated its willingness to perpetrate violence against Indians based on their beliefs, driven by extremist, bigoted religious supremacism. This is the conclusion you helped everyone reached regarding Hindutva.

Under the principles of natural justice, when a group like Muslims in India has spent centuries committing brazen and deliberate acts of intolerance , with blatant and deliberate disregard for the sacrilegious nature of these actions and the profound outrage they inflict on the religious beliefs of Hindus, then such a community forfeits any claim to civility or respect.

Civilization requires mutual respect and decency, but Muslims in India have repeatedly proven that they cannot meet even these basic standards. By knowingly persisting in such vile behavior, the Muslim community in India places itself outside the realms of civilized society. Hence making harsh consequences not only justified but a necessity to protect their interests.

And as for you, doubling down on this "legacy" of pure unadulterated hate and bigotry and yet having the cheek to demand compliance from Hindus ( and worse labeling us as uncivilized !!) , you are the very embodiment of moral depravity.

your moral compass is so shattered that it points squarely to bigotry and malice. Therefore you should be the very last living organism on Gods green earth to be using the word civilization; you’re a blatant enabler of unhinged bigotry, a cheerleader for intolerance, and a disgrace to any moral standard.


Its very simple ... if Muslims in India and their cheerleaders cannot respect others religious beliefs, don’t expect to be treated with respect in return. Sit down, reflect, and stop embarrassing yourself. Now that's the final definitive conclusion.​

 

[HalBass9]

Finally !!! Phew !!



Thats YOUR agenda to lay the blame on Hindus and worse bat for the extremist jihadis in India. and we now know why. Nothing surprising at all.

Under the principles of natural justice, when a group like Muslims in India has spent centuries committing brazen and deliberate acts of intolerance , with blatant and deliberate disregard for the sacrilegious nature of these actions and the profound outrage they inflict on the religious beliefs of Hindus, then such a community forfeits any claim to civility or respect.

Civilization requires mutual respect and decency, but Muslims in India have repeatedly proven that they cannot meet even these basic standards. By knowingly persisting in such vile behavior, the Muslim community in India places itself outside the realms of civilized society. Hence making harsh consequences not only justified but a necessity to protect their interests.

And as for you, doubling down on this "legacy" of pure unadulterated hate and bigotry and yet having the cheek to demand compliance from Hindus ( and worse labeling us as uncivilized !!) , you are the very embodiment of moral depravity.

your moral compass is so shattered that it points squarely to bigotry and malice. Therefore you should be the very last living organism on Gods green earth to be using the word civilization; you’re a blatant enabler of unhinged bigotry, a cheerleader for intolerance, and a disgrace to any moral standard.


Its very simple ... if Muslims in India and their cheerleaders cannot respect others religious beliefs, don’t expect to be treated with respect in return. Sit down, reflect, and stop embarrassing yourself. Now that's the final definitive conclusion.​

You are defending the belief in the right to harm Indian citizens based on a newly constructed version of Hinduism, and I am criticizing you for justifying such actions.

You cannot use this stance as a foundation to lecture others on morality.

You can shout as much as you want and label me or Muslims with whatever terms suit your distorted agenda, but the fact remains that you are advocating for the right to commit violence against human beings.

Such rhetoric might resonate in a saffron clad gathering, but in any civilized society, someone demanding the right to harm over 200 people would either face imprisonment or be sent to a mental institution. In India, however, such individuals are often rewarded with political power.

 

[HalBass9]

After engaging with many supporters of Hindutva, one thing becomes clear, nearly all of them seem willing to find excuses to justify violence, lynching, and the mass killing of Indians in the name of defending a distorted version of Hinduism known as Hindutva. It is truly a regressive and troubling ideology.

 

[uppercut]

You are defending the belief in the right to harm Indian citizens based on a newly constructed version of Hinduism, and I am criticizing you for justifying such actions.

You cannot use this stance as a foundation to lecture others on morality.

just look at you doubling down bindaas on your desire to continue your bigotry and also normalize it !!!

Your statement is the epitome of moral rot. You stand atop centuries of barbarism committed by Muslims in India, shrugging off their atrocities as if they were a birthright ( something that is very obviously visible when talking to even educated Muslims ), and then have the audacity to point fingers at me for refusing to tolerate this filth any longer.

Let me be crystal clear: you are not a critic—you are a shameless enabler of hatred and violence. If there is anything that is in urgent need of criticism and reform it is the animalesque behavior model of your fellow members of your community who insist on killing cows in 2024 despite being well aware of its reverence for Hindu. Heck you even had the cheek to tell me that I need to change my religious sensitivities or look the other way!!!


Your vile expectation that I should change my beliefs to accommodate the never-ending provocations and bigotry of your community is just plain grotesque and hence why you do not belong amongst humanity. It’s not my beliefs that need changing, but instead it’s your community’s relentless and deliberate disregard for basic decency that is need of correction. And given their primitive state of existence it can only happen thru brute force.


You and your ilk have no standing to lecture anyone on morality when your collective behavior has been nothing short of.. Sit down and take a long, hard look at the ugliness you are defending, because the only thing more despicable than the atrocities themselves is your insistence on justifying and normalizing them. You friggin had the cheek to tell me to modify my religious beliefs because the rest of the world doesn't consider the cow to be sacred.​

 

[uppercut]

After engaging with many supporters of Hindutva, one thing becomes clear, nearly all of them seem willing to find excuses to justify violence, lynching, and the mass killing of Indians in the name of defending a distorted version of Hinduism known as Hindutva. It is truly a regressive and troubling ideology.

Dude you are the follower of an ideology that does not even believe in the rights of others to practice their religion ( even when living in a predominantly non-muslim country like India ). Infact you are soo convinced in your mind about the "correctness" of your acts that you openly try to tell Hindus that your acts ( like harming cows ) are normal and those that take offense to such acts are the intolerant extremists. This is what is truly barbaric forget regressive as this has been going on for Centuries. The concept of live-and-let-live does not exist in your vocabulary at all.

If and when you and Muslims fix your inherent barbaric tendencies then you will magically find that there is no Hindutva extremism at all. But then that would require fixing the moral compass of a community at planet scale!​

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Dude you are the follower of an ideology that does not even believe in the rights of others to practice their religion ( even when living in a predominantly non-muslim country like India ). Infact you are soo convinced in your mind about the "correctness" of your acts that you openly try to tell Hindus that your acts ( like harming cows ) are normal and those that take offense to such acts are the intolerant extremists. This is what is truly barbaric forget regressive as this has been going on for Centuries. The concept of live-and-let-live does not exist in your vocabulary at all.

If and when you and Muslims fix your inherent barbaric tendencies then you will magically find that there is no Hindutva extremism at all. But then that would require fixing the moral compass of a community at planet scale!​

@uppercut, I think you didn't know but @HalBass9 is a Muslim

====

Say: O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.

Surah al-Kafirun, Holy Quran

 

[The Bald Eagle]

This thread is ridiculous . I can’t believe the topic is still being discussed.

What next? OBL is Islamophobic?

Yeah and you and none of your friends have challenged the premise successfully so far with facts and stats from third party or neutral credible sources

PS: another stats to address (besides many shared by me in earlier posts in this thread)

====

Key facts​

In a nutshell, Indian Chronicles is:

• a 15 year-long operation running since 2005;
• 10+ UN Human Rights Council accredited NGOs, mostly resurrected;
• The resurrection of Prof. Louis B. Sohn, a prominent figure in human rights, deceased in 2006;
• Several identity thefts, including the name of Martin Schulz, former president of the European Parliament or the photo of James Purnell, a former UK Government minister;
• 750+ fake media outlets, covering 119 countries;
• 550+ domain names registered.

Indian Chronicles: deep dive into a 15-year operation targeting the EU and UN to serve Indian interests - EU DisinfoLab

by Gary Machado Alexandre Alaphilippe, Roman Adamczyk and Antoine Grégoire Following a preliminary investigation published in 2019, the EU DisinfoLab uncovered a massive operation targeting international institutions and serving Indian interests. “Indian Chronicles” – the name we gave to this...

www.disinfo.eu

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah and you and none of your friends have challenged the premise successfully so far with facts and stats from third party or neutral credible sources

PS: another stats to address (besides many shared by me in earlier posts in this thread)

====

Key facts​

In a nutshell, Indian Chronicles is:

• a 15 year-long operation running since 2005;
• 10+ UN Human Rights Council accredited NGOs, mostly resurrected;
• The resurrection of Prof. Louis B. Sohn, a prominent figure in human rights, deceased in 2006;
• Several identity thefts, including the name of Martin Schulz, former president of the European Parliament or the photo of James Purnell, a former UK Government minister;
• 750+ fake media outlets, covering 119 countries;
• 550+ domain names registered.

Indian Chronicles: deep dive into a 15-year operation targeting the EU and UN to serve Indian interests - EU DisinfoLab

by Gary Machado Alexandre Alaphilippe, Roman Adamczyk and Antoine Grégoire Following a preliminary investigation published in 2019, the EU DisinfoLab uncovered a massive operation targeting international institutions and serving Indian interests. “Indian Chronicles” – the name we gave to this...

www.disinfo.eu

A leftist NGO is your source

 

[The Bald Eagle]

A leftist NGO is your source

OK what source should I quote... Please enlighten

 

[cricketjoshila]

OK what source should I quote... Please enlighten

NGOs are not sources.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

NGOs are not sources.

OK plenty other sources in this thread only... Plz check post 2 and some others on page 1

 

[Champ_Pal]

Yeah and you and none of your friends have challenged the premise successfully so far with facts and stats from third party or neutral credible sources

PS: another stats to address (besides many shared by me in earlier posts in this thread)

====

Key facts​

In a nutshell, Indian Chronicles is:

• a 15 year-long operation running since 2005;
• 10+ UN Human Rights Council accredited NGOs, mostly resurrected;
• The resurrection of Prof. Louis B. Sohn, a prominent figure in human rights, deceased in 2006;
• Several identity thefts, including the name of Martin Schulz, former president of the European Parliament or the photo of James Purnell, a former UK Government minister;
• 750+ fake media outlets, covering 119 countries;
• 550+ domain names registered.

Indian Chronicles: deep dive into a 15-year operation targeting the EU and UN to serve Indian interests - EU DisinfoLab

by Gary Machado Alexandre Alaphilippe, Roman Adamczyk and Antoine Grégoire Following a preliminary investigation published in 2019, the EU DisinfoLab uncovered a massive operation targeting international institutions and serving Indian interests. “Indian Chronicles” – the name we gave to this...

www.disinfo.eu

The topic is about whether BJP is Nazi party. That is absolute bonkers and ridiculous.
What you listed has nothing to do with whether BJP is A Nazi party or not.

 

[Champ_Pal]

A leftist NGO is your source

NGO’s are as good as private investigative journalists and paid by foreign sources.

 

[cricketjoshila]

NGO’s are as good as private investigative journalists and paid by foreign sources.

Leftist media and these NGOs and their biased views was out in the open during the US elections.

 

[HalBass9]

just look at you doubling down bindaas on your desire to continue your bigotry and also normalize it !!!

Your statement is the epitome of moral rot. You stand atop centuries of barbarism committed by Muslims in India, shrugging off their atrocities as if they were a birthright ( something that is very obviously visible when talking to even educated Muslims ), and then have the audacity to point fingers at me for refusing to tolerate this filth any longer.

Let me be crystal clear: you are not a critic—you are a shameless enabler of hatred and violence. If there is anything that is in urgent need of criticism and reform it is the animalesque behavior model of your fellow members of your community who insist on killing cows in 2024 despite being well aware of its reverence for Hindu. Heck you even had the cheek to tell me that I need to change my religious sensitivities or look the other way!!!


Your vile expectation that I should change my beliefs to accommodate the never-ending provocations and bigotry of your community is just plain grotesque and hence why you do not belong amongst humanity. It’s not my beliefs that need changing, but instead it’s your community’s relentless and deliberate disregard for basic decency that is need of correction. And given their primitive state of existence it can only happen thru brute force.


You and your ilk have no standing to lecture anyone on morality when your collective behavior has been nothing short of.. Sit down and take a long, hard look at the ugliness you are defending, because the only thing more despicable than the atrocities themselves is your insistence on justifying and normalizing them. You friggin had the cheek to tell me to modify my religious beliefs because the rest of the world doesn't consider the cow to be sacred.​

You can moan as much as you want to but the only group that want to reserve the right to slaughter other humans in the year 2024 are Hindutva.

 

[HalBass9]

@uppercut, I think you didn't know but @HalBass9 is a Muslim

====

Say: O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.

Surah al-Kafirun, Holy Quran

Engaging with someone who is so deeply brainwashed that they label all Muslims as ‘animals’ and justify violence against others based on religion is futile.

When you confront their bigotry, they have no valid defense, and their continued rhetoric only further exposes their prejudice. There is no justification for advocating the right to slaughter others over religious beliefs.

Call them what they are, big*ts and extremists. Time and again, followers of Hindutva have revealed their intentions rooted in racism, bigotry, and religious supremacy.

 

[uppercut]

Engaging with someone who is so deeply brainwashed that they label all Muslims as ‘animals’ and justify violence against others based on religion is futile.

When you confront their bigotry, they have no valid defense, and their continued rhetoric only further exposes their prejudice. There is no justification for advocating the right to slaughter others over religious beliefs.

Call them what they are, bigots and extremists. Time and again, followers of Hindutva have revealed their intentions rooted in racism, bigotry, and religious supremacy.​

yeah by doubling down on your itch to mock, insult, disrespect Hindu beliefs and openly refusing to abide by rules and then shamelessly demanding your "right" to continue religious intolerance and then asking me to modify my religious beliefs if I am offended.

Thats your "method" of confronting i.e. Double down on your bigotry.

As I said before.... this is like a thief confronting police and arguing that theft is a legit profession. So what if the police think otherwise ... they are the ones brainwashed and all thieves need to call that out.

Or a parasite complaining that the host isn’t doing enough to accommodate its presence.​

You can moan as much as you want to but the only group that want to reserve the right to slaughter other humans Animals in the year 2024 are Hindutva.

correction Animals ... see above for reasons why you cannot be considered as Humans.

 

[HalBass9]

yeah by doubling down on your itch to mock, insult, disrespect Hindu beliefs and openly refusing to abide by rules and then shamelessly demanding your "right" to continue religious intolerance and then asking me to modify my religious beliefs if I am offended.

Thats your "method" of confronting i.e. Double down on your bigotry.

As I said before.... this is like a thief confronting police and arguing that theft is a legit profession. So what if the police think otherwise ... they are the ones brainwashed and all thieves need to call that out.

Or a parasite complaining that the host isn’t doing enough to accommodate its presence.​

correction Animals ... see above for reasons why you cannot be considered as Humans.

Hindutva not Hindus.

Not asking anyone to modify, just highlighting Hindutva bigotry.

 

[uppercut]

Hindutva not Hindus.

Not asking anyone to modify, just highlighting Hindutva bigotry.

If you are not asking to alter my beliefs (which you did but lets pretend that you didn't) .. so then what is your solution to this dispute?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Muslims also need to first decide their stance on Adolf Hitler.

Due to Israel issue, many Muslims are Pro Adolf.

 

[HalBass9]

Muslims also need to first decide their stance on Adolf Hitler.

Due to Israel issue, many Muslims are Pro Adolf.

No! Muslims aren’t

Muslims are anti-apartheid and anti-genocide in Gaza.

 

[HalBass9]

If you are not asking to alter my beliefs ( which you did but lets pretend that you didn't ) .. so then what is your solution to this dispute ?

Endorsing, defending, or justifying a political narrative that promotes massacre of fellow citizens is not a solution to a problem created by the majority.

No one is asking you to change your beliefs, in fact, I appreciate that you’ve highlighted the reality of Hindutva.

 

[Bhaijaan]

No! Muslims aren’t

Muslims are anti-apartheid and anti-genocide in Gaza.

I am talking about Adolf Hitler.

A good number of Muslims support Hitler’s Anti Jew stance.

 

[Champ_Pal]

No! Muslims aren’t

Muslims are anti-apartheid and anti-genocide in Gaza.

apartheid

www.law.cornell.edu

"Apartheid refers to the implementation and maintenance of a system of legalized racial segregation in which one racial group is deprived of political and civil rights".

Now think and explain which group of people and countries follow this. Would love to hear from you.

 

[HalBass9]

I am talking about Adolf Hitler.

A good number of Muslims support Hitler’s Anti Jew stance.

Criticize them for supporting anyone who support the genocide of the Jews.

 

[HalBass9]

apartheid

www.law.cornell.edu

"Apartheid refers to the implementation and maintenance of a system of legalized racial segregation in which one racial group is deprived of political and civil rights".

Now think and explain which group of people and countries follow this. Would love to hear from you.

lol. Okay!

 

[RexRex]

apartheid

www.law.cornell.edu

"Apartheid refers to the implementation and maintenance of a system of legalized racial segregation in which one racial group is deprived of political and civil rights".

Now think and explain which group of people and countries follow this. Would love to hear from you.

You are referring to Pakistan. They treat non-muslims as a different species legally. This thread spells it out -

Why can’t a non-Muslim dream of becoming the prime minister or president of Pakistan?

So you are chest thumping about implementing a blatantly discriminatory laws over deficient execution of a fair laws. The moral Compass is really set in the true direction. :salute No, I already said I was not in favour

ppforum.pakpassion.net

 

[Champ_Pal]

lol. Okay!

Is that all you can say?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Criticize them for supporting anyone who support the genocide of the Jews.

Point is that Hitler has a fan base among both Hindus and Muslims