Is corruption one of the reasons poor countries have done poorly with the pandemic?

[Giannis]

So my Indian coworker was telling me how his friend flew back to india and that he was able to avoid the 14 day quarantine by bribing the management at the hotel he was supposed to quarantine at, apparently it's really common according to him and you can do pretty much anything in India if you pay the right price, this is a common theme in a lot of countries but especially developing countries and now with this new explosion of cases in India, I feel like corrupt practices like these have played a role in spreading this virus.

 

[OMB]

There are all kinds of people everywhere. More in poor countries than in rich states. Corrupt practice is one element of people negligence.
There was a popular video last week of a woman in UP threatening police officers when they were trying to enforce wearing masks. People habitually break law in India (heard the same about Pakistan too from my friends here)

 

[Gayle_Force]

Hmm I think corruption may play a small part but mostly it’s just that enforcement of SOPs is extremely tough in overpopulated democratic countries, especially those facing high poverty rates.

 

[big_gamer007]

We have a corrupt and incompetent government leading us, the worst kind you can get. Atleast the Congress was somewhat competent compared to these buffoons.

People didn't take the virus seriously starting from.the beginning of first wave when IT cells was spreading fake messages this virus can't survive above 40 degree and we dont have to worry or lockdown etc etc.

Corruption is rooted deep inside our DNA, people think bribing and getting away without something is normal.

Illiteracy, corruption, poverty, incompetence everything is inter connected and being buried under other issues like pakistan, Hindu-Muslim, mandir/masjid, Sushant death etc by the paid godi media which has been successful in brainwashing an entire country for their own prejudice.

 

[Hornbill]

So my Indian coworker was telling me how his friend flew back to india and that he was able to avoid the 14 day quarantine by bribing the management at the hotel he was supposed to quarantine at, apparently it's really common according to him and you can do pretty much anything in India if you pay the right price, this is a common theme in a lot of countries but especially developing countries and now with this new explosion of cases in India, I feel like corrupt practices like these have played a role in spreading this virus.

When this happened

 

[Bewal Express]

Not recent corruption but no doubt the lack of organised health systems is a product of long term corruption. I am not sure Ind, but in PK the mafia havent left a single institution free from their destructive ways.

 

[LongHorn]

How come US and UK got hit, and that too in 2 separate waves if corruption is a reason?

Why are most African countries doing so much better than India, though many of them are extremely corrupt as well?

As for masks, again that is not a reason. In many American states, most people do not wear masks, and yet their cases and deaths both declined

 

[LongHorn]

There are all kinds of people everywhere. More in poor countries than in rich states. Corrupt practice is one element of people negligence.
There was a popular video last week of a woman in UP threatening police officers when they were trying to enforce wearing masks. People habitually break law in India (heard the same about Pakistan too from my friends here)

But to what extent do masks help?

Spain had Europe's toughest mask laws, still it got hit by a second wave.

America has least mask wearing in the developed world, and right now they are doing far better than even Canada, where mask wearing was more prevalent

Masks help in congested internal places, but mask wearing across a country does little to determine whether it will be hit badly by Covid or not.

 

[LongHorn]

Covid is a very unpredictable disease thanks to the mutations

Just in February people were debating why western countries did so bad and why India Pakistan did so well. And the consensus was western people were very selfish while South Asian people were very selfless and caring and law abiding (yea right!).

Now it is April and people are asking the opposite question. If God forbid tables turn and some other region does bad in summer, we will be asking another question

 

[Giannis]

When this happened

earlier in the year

 

[Hornbill]

earlier in the year

From August 2020 government halved the duration of quarantine to 7 days, either your coworker lied or you just created a thread based on some thoughts in your mind.

 

[Giannis]

From August 2020 government halved the duration of quarantine to 7 days, either your coworker lied or you just created a thread based on some thoughts in your mind.

I don't know all the specifics but all I know is that he bribed himself out of the mandatory quarantine, I may not be sure be the exact duration as I assume 14 days was the standard in most countries, you're fixated on the wrong thing and trying to act like corrupt practices like this aren't happening in India.

 

[Hornbill]

I don't know all the specifics but all I know is that he bribed himself out of the mandatory quarantine, I may not be sure be the exact duration as I assume 14 days was the standard in most countries, you're fixated on the wrong thing and trying to act like corrupt practices like this aren't happening in India.

You could have easily said that your coworker lied to you, many corrupt things happens in india but op is just a poorly written story.

 

[Hornbill]

You're are not sure about month in which he arrived in india , you haven't mentioned details of airport or place he stayed for hotel quarantine

 

[Itachi]

He lied. your friend is itself a part of the problem.

 

[Bigboii]

You're are not sure about month in which he arrived in india , you haven't mentioned details of airport or place he stayed for hotel quarantine

How can anyone ask about these details, it's so creepy

Like hey dude whatsapp!
So the month?
Airport?
Hotel?
How many quarantine days?

I really can't envision myself having that detailed conversation even with my friend forget a coworker

 

[Giannis]

He lied. your friend is itself a part of the problem.

Nah I'll take his word, why would he lie. Y'all acting like corruption isn't rampant in India? Paying off hotel management to avoid quarantine is literally the least bizarre thing that could happen in India and now you have India's current situation

 

[King-Misbah]

Nah I'll take his word, why would he lie. Y'all acting like corruption isn't rampant in India? Paying off hotel management to avoid quarantine is literally the least bizarre thing that could happen in India and now you have India's current situation

At the Kumbh mela, I heard fake covid reports were being released so I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Shaddy86]

I know someone who paid to get their PCR tests done for them just to make it back from Pakistan to UK before the 9th. I wasn't overly shocked but it did suprise me that people would be able to do such a thing considering some of these are well known test laboratories of Pakistan. It didn't even cost much more than the actual cost of the test.

 

[Itachi]

Nah I'll take his word, why would he lie. Y'all acting like corruption isn't rampant in India? Paying off hotel management to avoid quarantine is literally the least bizarre thing that could happen in India and now you have India's current situation

"paying off hotel management to avoid being qurrantine" is by itself a part of the problem which shows carelessness, lack of consideration not only towards self but for others also including posing a risk threat to every person he meets onwards. instead of blaming him, the culprit, you want to blame the system?

 

[Hornbill]

How can anyone ask about these details, it's so creepy

Like hey dude whatsapp!
So the month?
Airport?
Hotel?
How many quarantine days?

I really can't envision myself having that detailed conversation even with my friend forget a coworker

My friend and many other people I know arrived from different countries earlier in this year like he said only had to do 7 days of home quarantine so it's difficult to believe op's story

 

[Itachi]

How can anyone ask about these details, it's so creepy

Like hey dude whatsapp!
So the month?
Airport?
Hotel?
How many quarantine days?

I really can't envision myself having that detailed conversation even with my friend forget a coworker

That's absolutely fine if it's creepy for you. but then, you shouldn't make an assessment if you don't ask these questions based upon some random conversations. should you?

 

[Bigboii]

My friend and many other people I know arrived from different countries earlier in this year like he said only had to do 7 days of home quarantine so it's difficult to believe op's story

Yeah that part you can have an argument over that's ok

But this is something I can't envision myself asking

*You're are not sure about month in which he arrived in india , you haven't mentioned details of airport or place he stayed for hotel quarantine"

Like hell no
No one I know will have that detailed conversation with anyone except for maybe thier parents or wife

 

[Bigboii]

^
Maybe month?
That's as far as I'll go before reaching the creepy limits

 

[Robert]

Cronyism is one reason that the UK has done so badly, with tens of thousands of excess deaths and vast public funds wasted on systems that do not work.

 

[Bigboii]

Cronyism is one reason that the UK has done so badly, with tens of thousands of excess deaths and vast public funds wasted on systems that do not work.

My man you described government at work...

 

[Robert]

My man you described government at work...

I was referring to the £billions wasted on track and trace that doesn’t work, when we could have had the open source German system for nothing.

Crony capitalism. It’s supposed to be a meritocracy but really it’s about enriching party donors with public funds.