Is discrediting World XI players by saying they just came to Pakistan for money a right thing?

[SarfiBabarHaris]

I have seen this attitude especially by some posters.

Personally I don't agree with that thinking. I think it depends upon an individual's personality. For example in my view players like Sammy, Amla etc would have come to Pakistan even with much lesser money as they really believe in revival of cricket in Pakistan and dont worry much about security. Similarly players like Tamim, who is a frequent visitor to Pakistan would have come for lesser money as I don't think he has any security issues here. There are many white people who come and visit Pakistan often and dont have any security issues here and similarly I beleive same is the case with players some are comfortable some are not.

I won't say anything about the players for example like Pieterson who are reluctant to visit as they have their concerns but to discredit the players by saying they came just because of money is not right. I respect the players and thank them for coming.

 

[MenInG]

Don't generalize.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Agreed. Don't understand why players should be discredited even IF money is the SOLE reason they're coming. No amount of money is big enough for a person to risk his life, especially for players like Miller, Amla, Badree, Faf, Morkel, Sammy and Tahir who have seen more money in the span of 1 year than we can dream of in our entire lives.

 

[reversehook]

I will put it like this, when an average non desi person comes to Pakistan they are not on any stakeholders/outfits radar. But when a team/delegation is coming for a special event which holds some significance to it then they may become target. These groups/outfits may use them to prove their point or to further their own agenda. Yes the money is good, but lots is on stake regardless. This series is not about who's who of cricket; main goal is to show that we can hold a series in Pak and protect our guests, so actual teams will start touring. All the players who are coming over are ambassadors and should be held in high regards if you are a Pakistani.

 

[coy0607]

Money is the primary reason most cricketers choose cricket as a career

so that's a silly excuse

 

[Yaasir]

Most of players on this World 11 team have no shortage of money. Yes, the paycheque is nice for this independence cup but credit must be given to the players as they agreed to play in Pakistan.

What also helped players make this decision was the green light given for this tour by ICC and FICA. Kudos to PCB for getting them on board and providing adequate security plans so they were satisfied.

 

[Poutine]

Most of players on this World 11 team have no shortage of money. Yes, the paycheque is nice for this independence cup but credit must be given to the players as they agreed to play in Pakistan.

What also helped players make this decision was the green light given for this tour by ICC and FICA. Kudos to PCB for getting them on board and providing adequate security plans so they were satisfied.

Exactly, a good chunk of these players play IPL, Big Bash, CPL and other leagues as well. So don't think they are desperate for money.

 

[CricFan2012]

Its not a right thing, every single person in their shoes would have done the same thing. You have to keep in mind that when a cricketer retires, their income can drastically reduce, each dollar, euro, rupee counts for their families.

Kudos to these guys for coming and playing in Pakistan where many would have declined because they could care less about cricket's revival in Pakistan.

Now let's all hope for the whole journey to be safe

 

[Saj]

Let's be realistic here, some of the World XI squad don't give a damn if international cricket returns to Pakistan or not and they are there just for the money.

However amongst the World XI squad there will be some who will genuinely have the best interests of Pakistan cricket at heart.

 

[Adil_94]

well obviously they came for monetary reasons. But that shouldnt be used against them. Their job as professional cricketers is to make money. Considering all the bad international press Pakistan gets for terrorism and poverty it still is courageous for these guys who to make the trip here.

No one gives u anything for free in this life so why should we expect cricketers travelling to a country that is notorious for having issues with terrorism and extremism to not want a premium price to come here.

the main thing is the guys are here and fingers crossed its the first step on Pakistan's road to be rehabilitated as a venue for international cricket.

 

[nighthawk23]

Gotta love the paradox. People will refuse to take a paycut but criticize cricketers for earning every last cent.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=140164]nighthawk23[/MENTION] when it comes to sportsmen simply because they wear national colours or a clubs colours they are supposed to play solely on fans support and passion. people trying to act like securing more money for your family and yourself is bad when thats what everyone tries to do.

it makes more sense for sportsmen to try capitalise on wealth opportunities considering how short the careers are and how temperamental they can be.

 

[angrypathan]

If money was all it took, the PCB would have had a tour like this 7 years ago. Sure, it plays a part in convincing the players, but unless they were satisfied with the security situation, for most of them it wouldn't have mattered how much money was being offered

 

[JibranAnsari]

Money may not be the sole reason but it definitely is the major reason , but we should be happy anyway that people will get to see some cricket.

 

[MenInG]

No one's using money to discredit them

People are just stating facts that players being paid above normal match fees for these games

This is a hardship allowance and should be accepted as such

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

No one's using money to discredit them

There are quite a few.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Agreed. Don't understand why players should be discredited even IF money is the SOLE reason they're coming. No amount of money is big enough for a person to risk his life, especially for players like Miller, Amla, Badree, Faf, Morkel, Sammy and Tahir who have seen more money in the span of 1 year than we can dream of in our entire lives.

What also helped players make this decision was the green light given for this tour by ICC and FICA. Kudos to PCB for getting them on board and providing adequate security plans so they were satisfied.

However amongst the World XI squad there will be some who will genuinely have the best interests of Pakistan cricket at heart.

This. Agree with you all.
I would give extra credit to the players for coming and some of them genuinely want the revival of cricket in Pakistan.

 

[Pollack]

Yes. It is a right thing.

 

[Pollack]

Most players are there because they can't be picky if they have to earn and shape a good career for themselves. So in a way for money or career. Some have relation with Pakistan so it is like home.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I have seen this attitude especially by some posters.

Personally I don't agree with that thinking. I think it depends upon an individual's personality. For example in my view players like Sammy, Amla etc would have come to Pakistan even with much lesser money as they really believe in revival of cricket in Pakistan and dont worry much about security. Similarly players like Tamim, who is a frequent visitor to Pakistan would have come for lesser money as I don't think he has any security issues here. There are many white people who come and visit Pakistan often and don't have any security issues here and similarly I believe same is the case with players some are comfortable some are not.

I won't say anything about the players for example like Pieterson who are reluctant to visit as they have their concerns but to discredit the players by saying they came just because of money is not right. I respect the players and thank them for coming.

I believe that Pakistan and its people have either become too greedy or too much of the skeptics. That is the basic reason why many of us would say that the players are coming for the money. The same people may do the same thing had the situation was reversed.

 

[Bilal7]

What a cynical way of thinking. The money is a good, little bonus but I doubt that is solely why any of the World XI is coming to Pakistan. Definitely not someone like Tahir or Amla.

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Let's be realistic here, some of the World XI squad don't give a damn if international cricket returns to Pakistan or not and they are there just for the money.

However amongst the World XI squad there will be some who will genuinely have the best interests of Pakistan cricket at heart.

Spot on.

And those that are playing just for the money are taking a big a risk so I suppose it is justified for them to be rewarded generously for putting their life on the line.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Seduction by money is required in the first instance.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Man this holier than thou attitude on this forum regarding money is absolutely unbelievable.

India and Pakistan are both extremely materialistic and class-conscious societies, so I don't understand what is with this mentality of making fun of everybody who does/is thought to do something for money.

It is their career. Of course they do it for money and won't do it for free. What is wrong with that?

I wish one of these people will post some proof that they are working for free and not making money and donating everything beyond basic necessity to charity....

 

[Mp812]

Money is the primary reason most cricketers choose cricket as a career

so that's a silly excuse

I guess now no one will assume if a player chooses IPL over country it is not an issue ora controversy anymore. Finally common sense prevails

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is a monetary benefit, but the point is to show that Pakistan is safe.So money doesnt matter.

 

[Hasan123]

They haven't just come for the money imo

 

[The_Odd_One]

Anybody who lives in the West will know that no amount of money will convince you to play in unsafe conditions.

 

[IndianWillow]

Each individual will have his reason for coming. Some for money. Some for the experience - playing in Pakistan must feel different after all these years. Some feel that they must help revive return of cricket to Pakistan for the overall welfare of the game.

All of them do play for money, what is wrong about it anyway. The world works harmoniously because there is a give and take relationship everywhere. Where people take without giving anything in return, it is called cheating or stealing. If you give back more than what you take, that is saintly, it is charity. If you give back what you take in, that is neither cheating or charity - but that is not immoral, it is very much an acceptable behaviour for a human being.

 

[Leo23]

yes they are in for the money and what is wrong with that?

it is a lot of money for 3 matches and if they have their reservations with security the reward is simply too great for them to let go of this opportunity

sorry to break it to you but foreign players are not overly concerned for international cricket to return to pakistan

 

[Leo23]

What a cynical way of thinking. The money is a good, little bonus but I doubt that is solely why any of the World XI is coming to Pakistan. Definitely not someone like Tahir or Amla.

tahir i understand because he is a lahori and frequently goes there but why not amla?

is he not a human being and does he not have a family? why is it wrong for him to play for money?

if he doesn't care about money he would not have played in the ipl and other t20 leagues. of course he does care and plays for money but as i said there is nothing wrong with it at all

 

[gasgemba]

of course they came for the money. nobody is going to put their life in line going to a country like pakistan for just goodwill

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

of course they came for the money. nobody is going to put their life in line going to a country like pakistan for just goodwill

You will feel much better when other teams start touring

 

[sachin100]

There is no way other than money which made them agree to play in Pakistan.

I will not change my opinion until the same players go there without the money offer they got this time.

 

[kingusama92]

There is no way other than money which made them agree to play in Pakistan.

I will not change my opinion until the same players go there without the money offer they got this time.

But that doesn't make sense.

Teams get paid to tour PAK. They don't come for free.

Is AUS playing in IND for free right now?

 

[htariq25]

There is no way other than money which made them agree to play in Pakistan.

I will not change my opinion until the same players go there without the money offer they got this time.

I'm sure even Pakistan wouldn't tour England if they weren't getting paid! This post is complete and utter rubbish!!

 

[sachin100]

But that doesn't make sense.

Teams get paid to tour PAK. They don't come for free.

Is AUS playing in IND for free right now?

Excuse me. They r not paid 100000 dollars for 3 t 20 matches.

 

[sachin100]

I'm sure even Pakistan wouldn't tour England if they weren't getting paid! This post is complete and utter rubbish!!

Haha u r clearly missing the point what i mentioned.

Read the sentence carefully where i wrote that the money offered to them this time which means 1 lakh usd which is not a regular match fee they would get if it is a regular tour

 

[htariq25]

Haha u r clearly missing the point what i mentioned.

Read the sentence carefully where i wrote that the money offered to them this time which means 1 lakh usd which is not a regular match fee they would get if it is a regular tour

My apologies. But still I doubt many foreign players would even go to the ipl if it wasn't for the ridiculous amount of money given. So I reckon the players did it for Pakistan more than money even though they wanted the money also obviously.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Excuse me. They r not paid 100000 dollars for 3 t 20 matches.

Yes they are.... IPL

 

[CanadianG00se]

But that doesn't make sense.

Teams get paid to tour PAK. They don't come for free.

Is AUS playing in IND for free right now?

BCCI is not paying a dime to Aussie players to tour India. Australian players get paid by CA whatever there contract fees suggest. Same is the case when India visit Australia. Visiting teams are not paid by the host nations unless if its special case.

 

[90MPH]

Some really bitter Indians can't digest the fact the world 11 players came to Pakistan and the tour was planned and executed perfectly.

These are all stepping stones for international cricket to return to Pakistan. This is not 2006/2009 where there were major attacks week in week out. They have drastically reduced and in the major cities they very rarely happen and god willing will come close to end for everyone concerned sooner rather than later.

Those players may got paid but the charisma and smiles they showed they wanted to help the country as well and we are greatful to them.

 

[the Great Khan]

There is no way other than money which made them agree to play in Pakistan.

I will not change my opinion until the same players go there without the money offer they got this time.

yeah becasue every other country sends their cricketers to play for free..I mean they must love India so much that they grace your stadiums for free. Wow what a country.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Excuse me. They r not paid 100000 dollars for 3 t 20 matches.

No. They have to run their side business in India, IPL!

 

[kingusama92]

Excuse me. They r not paid 100000 dollars for 3 t 20 matches.

Imagine a team pulled out of India.

What would happen to their IPL contracts? That's the monetary incentive.

Don't assume cricketers are dumb and short-sighted.

BCCI is not paying a dime to Aussie players to tour India. Australian players get paid by CA whatever there contract fees suggest. Same is the case when India visit Australia. Visiting teams are not paid by the host nations unless if its special case.

Not quite.

The ICC revenue model is quite complicated. Not each penny owned by the cricket-board goes to the ICC. A fixed percentage of the profit earned goes to the ICC and the rest of the money is distributed between the host country and the visiting country.

Is AUS playing in IND for free right now?

That's the question I asked.

Doesn't matter who is paying. Revenue is split between boards one way or another. They don't pull money out of their behind to pay players.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Imagine a team pulled out of India.

What would happen to their IPL contracts? That's the monetary incentive.

Don't assume cricketers are dumb and short-sighted.



Not quite.



Is AUS playing in IND for free right now?

That's the question I asked.

Doesn't matter who is paying. Revenue is split between boards one way or another. They don't pull money out of their behind to pay players.

Again you're confusing with the revenue model system that ICC was planning to introduce in which all teams will come under one umbrella(ICC) and revenue to be distributed accordingly. However im very sure as per current agreement, host nations makes money and keep it with themselves( also bares the cost of visiting teams). Please provide me the source in which teams hosting are splitting revenues. Secondly, even if teams share revenue they are not going out of the way to offer money to individual players to tour India.
Although it is very unlikely that BCCI will pay a dime to players of other board. I'll dig further to prove my point later(will find the broadcasting deals). But for now eitherway BCCI are not paying any 'special amount' for teams to visit. If its part of contract then every team must be doing it. But what PCB did was voluntary and not comparable to BCCI.

I don't even know why we are arguing on this subject when we all know PCB paid lumsum which was voluntary reward to players and not some contract obligations.

 

[kingusama92]

Again you're confusing with the revenue model system that ICC was planning to introduce in which all teams will come under one umbrella(ICC) and revenue to be distributed accordingly. However im very sure as per current agreement, host nations makes money and keep it with themselves( also bares the cost of visiting teams). Please provide me the source in which teams hosting are splitting revenues. Secondly, even if teams share revenue they are not going out of the way to offer money to individual players to tour India.
Although it is very unlikely that BCCI will pay a dime to players of other board. I'll dig further to prove my point later(will find the broadcasting deals). But for now eitherway BCCI are not paying any 'special amount' for teams to visit. If its part of contract then every team must be doing it. But what PCB did was voluntary and not comparable to BCCI.

I don't even know why we are arguing on this subject when we all know PCB paid lumsum which was voluntary reward to players and not some contract obligations.

Here is a source from NZ's tour to IND.

New Zealand Cricket (NZC) has reportedly pocketed a whopping 35 million dollars with broadcast rights from this year's Indian tour, which is the biggest payday among the country's sports.

The visiting team is paid for broadcasting rights in its own country.

Yes, it is not a big chunk of the pie but it is money.

While $100,000/3 T20Is was high, I feel most of the players would have come for their regular pay too. It was quick money for 5 days of work.

And like I said, money is the reason these players tour the East. Otherwise, they'd stick to playing in NZ, ENG, AUS, SA, and WI.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Here is a source from NZ's tour to IND.



The visiting team is paid for broadcasting rights in its own country.

Yes, it is not a big chunk of the pie but it is money.


While $100,000/3 T20Is was high, I feel most of the players would have come for their regular pay too. It was quick money for 5 days of work.

And like I said, money is the reason these players tour the East. Otherwise, they'd stick to playing in NZ, ENG, AUS, SA, and WI.

Bro, i remember that article regarding NZ earning big cash because India tour them not the other way around. Again you proving my point that visiting teams do not make any money for touring.

Heres the link where it says that India's tour to NZ made them $35 Millions from TV revenues.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.spo...money-new-zealand-35-million-broadcast-rights

 

[kingusama92]

Bro, i remember that article regarding NZ earning big cash because India tour them not the other way around. Again you proving my point that visiting teams do not make any money for touring.

Heres the link where it says that India's tour to NZ made them $35 Millions from TV revenues.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.spo...money-new-zealand-35-million-broadcast-rights

My bad, I got the details wrong.

BUT it's reciprocal.

The package is two-part so looking at it in a vacuum is meaningless. Does NZ tour IND without knowing it will come back?

Let's look at an example.

NZ Tours IND: BCCI earns $100M (random figures I made)

IND Tours NZ: NZC earns $35M

In general, that pot is $135M because one series doesn't happen without the other.

AND that money is then used to pay players when they travel on AWAY tours.

 

[CanadianG00se]

My bad, I got the details wrong.

BUT it's reciprocal.

The package is two-part so looking at it in a vacuum is meaningless. Does NZ tour IND without knowing it will come back?

Let's look at an example.

NZ Tours IND: BCCI earns $100M (random figures I made)

IND Tours NZ: NZC earns $35M

In general, that pot is $135M because one series doesn't happen without the other.

AND that money is then used to pay players when they travel on AWAY tours.

You're mixing things up. India making 100s of Millions from their home tour is totally irrelevant to NZ or any other cricket board. The money that generates from home tour stays with home board. Thats how the agreement(FTP) have been agreed upon by all cricket boards. For instance, Pakistan visiting India makes them no money but India visiting them(or playing home matches in neutral venue) generates revenue for PCB.

What you're suggesting is that India tour of NZ and vice versa and money from both tours get distributed evenly? Sorry thats not how FTP operates. Smaller boards like Windies/SL will massively benefits from such deal whereas India will do its best to avoid them if they were to share revenue with them, it makes no business sense.

ICC recently tried bringing all nations under one league and sell the home rights of all countries as one collective package in return the amount will be distributed proportionately. No surprise it was shot down by BCCI and rightly so as smaller boards like Windies and Sri Lanka will just get all the money with minimum effort and BCCI with all the hardwork will left with peanuts.

Anyways this is probably my last post on this subject as we have already derailed the thread enough.

 

[Convict]

yeah becasue every other country sends their cricketers to play for free..I mean they must love India so much that they grace your stadiums for free. Wow what a country.

Its almost as if playing cricket is their job.

Obviously Doctors only help people for the money and not because they want to help people.

 

[kingusama92]

You're mixing things up. India making 100s of Millions from their home tour is totally irrelevant to NZ or any other cricket board. The money that generates from home tour stays with home board. Thats how the agreement(FTP) have been agreed upon by all cricket boards. For instance, Pakistan visiting India makes them no money but India visiting them(or playing home matches in neutral venue) generates revenue for PCB.

What you're suggesting is that India tour of NZ and vice versa and money from both tours get distributed evenly? Sorry thats not how FTP operates. Smaller boards like Windies/SL will massively benefits from such deal whereas India will do its best to avoid them if they were to share revenue with them, it makes no business sense.

ICC recently tried bringing all nations under one league and sell the home rights of all countries as one collective package in return the amount will be distributed proportionately. No surprise it was shot down by BCCI and rightly so as smaller boards like Windies and Sri Lanka will just get all the money with minimum effort and BCCI with all the hardwork will left with peanuts.

Anyways this is probably my last post on this subject as we have already derailed the thread enough.

Money doesn't get distributed evenly. I never said that.

But the money is a collective amount for HOME and AWAY series because both happen together. A team doesn't tour without knowing it will receive the same benefit 2 years later.

BCCI generates more, so it gets to earn more for the HOME series. BUT NZ only shows up because it knows IND will tour later on and make them money.

This is the incentive.

The only way your example works is if a team tours IND and then IND never goes to that country.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Money and a good cause. Hats off to them. Pak people should be grateful to them. They are the only reason for the ray of hope of cricket returning to Pak.

 

[Savak]

I could be wrong but my impression so far of observing the Foreign players in both the PSL and now on this World 11 tour is that they have truly enjoyed the hospitality and respect the nation of Pakistan, its people and the franchise owners have offered to them. Sure the pay may not be comparable to IPL levels at this point in time but the pay still isn't dirt poor and after a while money isn't everything in the world either, there is no substitute for being truly welcomed and respected in an environment.

IPL i believe is a very brutal environment for the foreign players, one day you could be treated like a super star, the other day you can be benched with no one to ask for you and in the auctions you can be dropped like a plate and forgotten forever.

More and more successful editions of the PSL will attract the major IPL stars as well.

 

[MMHS]

Money is an honorary token for these players - they came for good cause & I am sure, many of them would have come even with much lesser money (obviously one can say to such players that come by air, stay at hotel & submit bill - we'll add a decent TA/DA with that).

But, for many of them $100K in 7 days is a great pay day, so money definitely was a factor; still, I'll appreciate the players & PCB as well - they paid adequately to match that appreciation.

 

[IndianWillow]

Money is an honorary token for these players - they came for good cause & I am sure, many of them would have come even with much lesser money (obviously one can say to such players that come by air, stay at hotel & submit bill - we'll add a decent TA/DA with that).

But, for many of them $100K in 7 days is a great pay day, so money definitely was a factor; still, I'll appreciate the players & PCB as well - they paid adequately to match that appreciation.

The question is whether all the players would have come without that level of compensation. If they received a regular match fee for a typical T20 would they all have come? How is Pakistan still perceived from outside after that black day in 2009? No one obviously thinks it is very unsafe as no one would risk life for any reward. But no place in the world can be deemed 100% safe today. But where does Pakistan fall between these two extremes? Quite safe like any other country and as unsafe as 2009. Safety and danger are not two state switches - there are degrees. The tournament in the eyes of an outsider showed that Pakistan is closer to 'other nations' and not 2009. But can Pakistan organise the same tournament without this level of presidential security? If they organise those successfully I foresee normalcy returning to Pakistani cricket as far as international matches are concerned.

 

[Major]

You could either live with rationality or irrationality

 

[Rana]

Its unfair to say that. These guys get paid as much if not more to play in India for the IPL.

 

[MMHS]

The question is whether all the players would have come without that level of compensation. If they received a regular match fee for a typical T20 would they all have come? How is Pakistan still perceived from outside after that black day in 2009? No one obviously thinks it is very unsafe as no one would risk life for any reward. But no place in the world can be deemed 100% safe today. But where does Pakistan fall between these two extremes? Quite safe like any other country and as unsafe as 2009. Safety and danger are not two state switches - there are degrees. The tournament in the eyes of an outsider showed that Pakistan is closer to 'other nations' and not 2009. But can Pakistan organise the same tournament without this level of presidential security? If they organise those successfully I foresee normalcy returning to Pakistani cricket as far as international matches are concerned.

Security issues are like a flake of birds - at one shot each one flies away, but returns back one after another at a time. No amount of money (say $10mn/match), won't have brought western players in PAK sometimes in 2009-10. I think, it was more important to break the ice gradually - first PSL final, now this one, may be SRL/WI tours in near future, then significant part of PSL. Here, I don't think money is the biggest motivation - can't tell of others, but last year Tamim paid tax for declared income of almost a million $ & he left UK at start of a lucrative County contract for one such incident, so it's not only about money for him.

I think, more than money what PCB needs is to establish credibility. People are dying from terrorist attacks in London, Paris ... even in Pentagon office building, therefore no one can guarantee full proof security; but the way PCB handled that infamous SRL tour was utter disgrace - lots of idiots should have lost job for that. And, after that incident, PCB's Chairman made a statement that proper security couldn't be arranged because of opposition's strike (Hartal), Punjab Police was busy controlling riot!!!!! It's a good start, need to back it up with zero slip-ups.

 

[shane]

Most international sportsmen would not risk their lives for $100,000. They probably had a reason in addition to the money. They are allowed to have more than one reason.

 

[Bilal7]

tahir i understand because he is a lahori and frequently goes there but why not amla?

is he not a human being and does he not have a family? why is it wrong for him to play for money?

if he doesn't care about money he would not have played in the ipl and other t20 leagues. of course he does care and plays for money but as i said there is nothing wrong with it at all

Because Amla has a proven track record of choosing his own values over money. He's also quite friendly with Pakistanis, whether cricket players or otherwise, and shares a religion and sense of community with them.

 

[Talented]

Most international sportsmen would not risk their lives for $100,000. They probably had a reason in addition to the money. They are allowed to have more than one reason.

Disagree with first statement. Agreed on rest of the two.