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I'm yet to see a performance from this guy. The guy once hit a few runs agaisnt bangaldesh in a warm up match where the boundary near the inner circle.

After that performance, he has been hyped.

I haven't seen a single performance from this guy which warrants the hype as of yet
 
No he is one of the best hitters in Pakistan and possibly the best pace bowling all-rounder. You want him to score a 100 from #9 in a T20? In this tournament alone he scored 54 off 26 and 21 off 13. Better than the likes of Misbah and Asif Ali. He has the potential to be a great player for Pakistan.
 
Nope, he’s worth the hype. Future Pakistani ATG in my opinion and will only get better and better as time goes on.
 
Probably over-rated by a few people, but on the whole, has potential which is what people are interested in.
 
Yes he is overrated by people. His not a bad hitter of the ball, but isn’t as great technically to be classified as a proper batsman. In terms of bowling yes he bowls at an okay pace. But hardly moves the ball and is almost always carted around the park.
 
I believe he is overrated by some people. But his potential to be a good player for Pakistan is why people vouch for him.
 
Sher Khan said:
But hardly moves the ball and is almost always carted around the park.
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He gets good seam movement, just needs to find the right length in T20. He mainly bowls back of a length which is easy to get away.
 
I really wonder what game people. He has done pretty well with limited opportunities with the bat and has been good with the ball.

Crucial for the World Cup next year! Move on to picking on someone else!
 
babajee said:
Nope, he’s worth the hype. Future Pakistani ATG in my opinion and will only get better and better as time goes on.
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‘Future’, ‘Pakistani ATG’ : that’s a lot of qualifiers.
There’s a hysterical school of thought that considers Afridi a Pakistani ATG as well, so...
 
Has all the ingredients, except temperament.
So, is over-rated
 
One performance away, Pandya came into the limelight after that kamikaze 76 against Pakistan. An innings like that would propel his value as an All-rounder.

TBF to Pakistan, they have had nothing to be excited about since Razzaq left. Not a single player that offers Pace above 85mph and can hit against genuine pace. Faheem is the best to come out since Razzaq
 
Give Faheem atleast 50 ODIs before we can call how good he is. Let him be at ease from mind to play and just play and not worried about being dropped.
 
Pete Rose said:
‘Future’, ‘Pakistani ATG’ : that’s a lot of qualifiers.
There’s a hysterical school of thought that considers Afridi a Pakistani ATG as well, so...
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He won’t be an ATG obviously but he can be the best Pakistani pace bowling all rounder since Imran Khan :)
 
only in the country like Pakistan a trundler and poor man parera who himself is mediocre at best .can be celebrated as All rounder .
 
Faheem is the only genuine all-rounder to come out of Pakistan cricket since Razzaq. Naturally people will be excited.

Has a long way to go before he establishes himself as a good international cricketer.
 
Faheem batting at no.9 and bowling less than 2 overs shows how much faith his PSL team has in his abilities.
 
troodon said:
Faheem batting at no.9 and bowling less than 2 overs shows how much faith his PSL team has in his abilities.
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Well Talat is batting at 8 and Shadab at 10, not completing his full quota.

It’s the Misbah effect. It doesn’t show anything.
 
Major said:
I'm yet to see a performance from this guy. The guy once hit a few runs agaisnt bangaldesh in a warm up match where the boundary near the inner circle.

After that performance, he has been hyped.

I haven't seen a single performance from this guy which warrants the hype as of yet
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Faheem has done pretty well with the bat so far in PSL as a late order hitter. The bigger concern for PSL and ISU fans is when will Misbah step down and why he is demoting Hussain Talat to number 8 when he's been in fine form - this only demoralises players.
 
troodon said:
Faheem batting at no.9 and bowling less than 2 overs shows how much faith his PSL team has in his abilities.
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Bro have you followed Misbah's team selections and the batting orders he sets? Only if you fit the old age criteria can you play in the top 6.
 
He's not getting much chances to showcase what he can do. No.7 is probably the spot for him to come in. Unfortunately Asif Ali and Misbah ul Haq reserve the spots for the middle order. Which then makes Hussain come in at No.6 sometimes 7 with Russell coming in at No.6 and Faheem/Shadab get shifted around for No.8.
 
TeymurBlake said:
He's not getting much chances to showcase what he can do. No.7 is probably the spot for him to come in. Unfortunately Asif Ali and Misbah ul Haq reserve the spots for the middle order. Which then makes Hussain come in at No.6 sometimes 7 with Russell coming in at No.6 and Faheem/Shadab get shifted around for No.8.
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Faheem and Shadab were at 9 and 10 in the previous game. :misbah
 
oh bhai. stop blaming misbah.

faheem also plays pakistan where misbah is non existent.
 
Extremely. Has done close to nothing in domestic and internationals yet.

Looks like he made the wrong decision (or was made for him), he seems to have greater talent as a batsman, and yet has focused on being a bowler.

The best batsmen lower down know how to forge an innings, minimise risk in shots. Fahim doesn't really know how to do that, he's just a hitter. And that's unlikely going to work.

In domestic for internationals sake he should be batting in the middle order, 4 or 5. Let him take responsibility for a batting line up and used to playing innings in the middle. He can always bat down the order in internationals, but let him practice up.

A disappointing thing in him is that as a bowler he's not exactly seen as the top crop. Raees and Sami are preferred over him in terms of bowling, and quite rightly tbh they seem like better bowlers so far (Raees was disappointing in NZ but seems to be bowling well in PSL).

Fahim currently has no suit where he dominates in. Not even in domestic. Which is worrying. What I don't understand why it took until his mid 20s that suddenly coaches/selectors saw he was talented with the bat. Something like this should have been picked out long ago and worked on at a younger age. He's now in the dilemma where he has to learn how to bat like a proper bat, get his bowling up to scratch so that he can relied on to bowl full quota reliably, and at the same time do well in internationals and not be a passenger in the side. And awful lot to work on, in such a small time space. And I'm not sure I necessarily blame domestic sides playing him down the order/underused. They see a guy with poor stats, low experience with performing with the bat, and not properly developed even in bowling. He's a loose cannon, someone who can be dangerous on his day, but not become the mainstay of your batting or bowling order. And they're probably more concerned with their own results/performance than simply sacrificing their needs for the good of internationals.
 
I don't agree with the hate that Misbah's to blame. Talat yes, down the order for little reason when he's already proven himself.

Fahim's batting at 7 which is about right. The rest of that order are more experienced bats with better records than Fahim. At least Shadab isn't batting ahead of Fahim, which is what we're doing in internationals of late.
 
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Faheem as performed better than Shadab so far in the PSL so I don't know what everyone is whining about.
 
I don't think he's over rated. Majority of fans don't claim he's the best thing since sliced bread. It's just since Razzaq retired, we have been looking for a pace bowling all rounder and the other people we've had haven't been impressive. You know, the likes of Anwar Ali and Bilawal Bhatti didn't set the world alight did they?

I didn't know much about Faheem Ashraf when he was picked, he didn't have great domestic stats or anything to suggest to me he has high potential, but when he played that amazing innings in the warm up against Bangladesh, it felt like a breath of fresh air. Then when he got a chance to play in the real tournament, he showed the talent he has with both bat and ball against Sri Lanka. And since the Sri Lanka tour of UAE late last year, he has, in glimpses, with both bat and ball, shown why there is so much hype around him. There was his hat-trick against Sri Lanka and some of his bowling performances against the Lankans as well as NZ showed he can be a proper bowler. On top of that, he has played lots of great cameos with bat in hand, for Pakistan and IU.

He is far from a finished product, because like I said, he has only shown glimpses of his talent but hasn't been very consistent. Some days he's been very ordinary with bat and/or ball. But when you consider he is only 24 years old, there is no denying he has all the ingredients to become a world-class all rounder. If he could consistently perform as good with the bat and ball as he has at his best, Pakistan do have one great player on their hands.
 
He has good potential , but needs to be groomed properly.

Can be vital with shadab for Pakistan in near future.
 
Some posters have ovverated him. But he can be a good player. He just needs a little more time to develop. His bowling has improved. He needs more opportunities to bat. Batting at 8 or 9 for 1 over isn't going to improve him. He needs to learn how to build his innings, strike rotation,etc. This can only be done by spending time in the middle.
 
ads101 said:
Looks like he made the wrong decision (or was made for him), he seems to have greater talent as a batsman, and yet has focused on being a bowler.

The best batsmen lower down know how to forge an innings, minimise risk in shots. Fahim doesn't really know how to do that, he's just a hitter. And that's unlikely going to work.

In domestic for internationals sake he should be batting in the middle order, 4 or 5. Let him take responsibility for a batting line up and used to playing innings in the middle. He can always bat down the order in internationals, but let him practice up.
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He recently stated very clearly that he considers himself an all-rounder and believes he can contribute strongly with the bat. He mentioned that he did well with the bat at lower age-levels and what not.

The problem is that since he started playing domestic circuit, he mainly appears to be rated as a bowler who can slog a bit and thus he has usually batted very low down the order with sporadic promotions to perhaps #7 or so. It's already difficult for players in Pakistan domestic cricket to learn how to pace an innings; when he's coming in that low down the order, it's always going to be difficult for him to learn exactly how to do it.

At this point, I think Arthur and the Pakistan management will generally have low expectations from him with the bat with him at #8 or so until his batting intelligence improves. He'll mainly be expected to get a few quick runs which is the role he's comfortable with for the time being.

Should bat higher in T20s, anyway. #9 is ridiculously low and completely wastes what he brings to the table.
 
I don't think Fahim belongs in the international ODI team tbh. The only option IMO if he resign our fate that we can't find a decent 3rd pacer, and play Fahim because he can bat. Junaid will get his 3rd pacer slot back I suspect given his decent PSL so far.

I don't see the point of him batting at 7. We either should go with a batting allrounder there e.g. a Talat (though I'd bat him higher personally). Or a bowling allrounder who we know will provide a solid full quota of overs. Currently both Imad and Nawaz look like better choices, look more reliable, and given we only play one full time spinner in the team in Shadab, more variety. Plus most teams struggle against spin rather than pace. And while Nawaz and Imad might be less talented with the bat, the batting numbers they currently will and are putting up are better for now (not just their bowling).

It also hurts viability that we already have part timers in the team. Malik (if he's still in the team which I suspect he will be), Haris, Fakhar all can bowl. It doesn't feel like Fahim is even treated like a proper allrounder, more like a part timer, never bowls full quota, and sometimes even other part timers are prioritised over him. I want another full time option if we play a bowling allrounder/a batsman who isn't even averaging 20.

Don't mind him playing T20s, but in ODIs currently feels like he hurts our line up more than he helps it. I do wonder how many matches fans will tolerate with Fahim before he starts performing. Because honestly it looks like years, he's so raw both bat and ball. And I don't think we can afford to tolerate him for that long, winning matches in the present matters, and the next WC isn't even that far away in 2019.
 
I do like him but when people tend to compare him with Pandya, that is just plain idiocy.
 
Batting wise he is coming in at 7 or 8 (minus the one time he opened vs NZ) so on average he isn't batting for that many overs. In that regard, need to see how he fairs when there are a decent number of overs to play with. Bowling wise, from what I've seen he seems to be more of a container than a wicket taker. Overall, I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet. So far, he's having a decent PSL with the bat.
 
Stil has a lot to prove despite his hatrick and what not in international cricket.
 
Faheem is a fine player, he's done enough to be excited for and have a spot to further invest in him, anyone putting him down prematurely as poor or world class is guilty of the same thing and that is faulty expectations on a sample size that isn't large enough yet.
 
Overrated yes, as of now, but has the talent to be moulded into a useful lower order player for Pakistan. If Fahim was playing in the era of Razzaq and Mahmood, he would've been simply a postscript. However since Pakistan's locker in the all rounders category is threadbare, this guy looks somewhat useful. He needs to work on his batting and get those quick 30-40's that Pakistan need at the death.
 
I don't know if he is overrated or not, but his performances haven't been affected too much ever since people have started hyping him up/ shooting him down. At the very least, it shows that he is very mentally strong.
 
I think he is the real deal, a cricketer who will only get better.

Clever bowler, decent pace, good variety and can strike a ball very cleanly - the ideal limited-overs cricketer.
 
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I like this guy a lot, he has gain 5-7 clicks since debut, now avg 137/138, by World Cup time, he will be 140 avg bowler, as he gets stronger.

He has a bit of fire in him, his hitting is probably better than 80% of our batsmen (if not more), he is also improving on that front. Just need to get use to the bounce, BBL season would be ideal for his batting development. He is one of those guys, where not playing IPL hurts a lot for Pakistan. Guys like Amir, Hasan, Shadab, Faheem would have benefited to a whole different level by playing IPL, that could have open doors to BBL and readiness for world cup like tournaments in a season or two. That exposure is very important for these players not to mention the money 😁
 
The cricket enthusiast said:
only in the country like Pakistan a trundler and poor man parera who himself is mediocre at best .can be celebrated as All rounder .
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And its only in the country like India that a guy who colors his hair blue and does nothing with the bat other than odd innings in 20 matches is considered a star all rounder like he is already a legend.

Almost 10,11 years of IPL and still can produce an all rounder which world (excluding Indians) can consider world class. :kp
 
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Poor man's Rana Naved.

Can we dispense with this fake swag no substance cricketer already ?
 
Not doing the job with the ball. Even though that is supposed to be his stronger suit.
 
Saj said:
I think he is the real deal, a cricketer who will only get better.

Clever bowler, decent pace, good variety and can strike a ball very cleanly - the ideal limited-overs cricketer.
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Good luck with that, has been with the team for sometimes now, nothing special so far and why we mention him as an allrounder ?
 
Hes batting isnt any better than any of the tail. His bowling is honest but nothing more than that. A bits and pieces cricket and needs to improve if hes to be used as an all rounder.
 
Fantastic last over. That is how the best fast bowler in the format comes back!!
His bowling is fine. Sarfaraz gave him a particular role which Malik made him change
It's how he bats that I am more interested in
 
PSL has been producing some really mediocre players to be honest. I think PSL should not be the benchmark for national team. They should pick players based on fc,One days and PSL. These players perform in PSL and then they are picked to play at highest level.
 
I still maintain that he’s got fantastic potential with the ball...
Battingwise, he needs to take the pressure off and look to play straight.

Certainly a player worth persisting with.
 
MRSN said:
PSL has been producing some really mediocre players to be honest. I think PSL should not be the benchmark for national team. They should pick players based on fc,One days and PSL. These players perform in PSL and then they are picked to play at highest level.
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Yet Umar Akmal's selection for the Pakistan team is riding on having a good PSL :virat
 
Markhor said:
Poor man's Rana Naved.

Can we dispense with this fake swag no substance cricketer already ?
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Rana Naveed was a wonderful swing bowler of his time and he was more reliable batsman than Faheem has ever been. I just don't get how these bits and pieces players get hyped by Pak fans.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Yet Umar Akmal's selection for the Pakistan team is riding on having a good PSL :virat
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He also had a good QeA trophy. Also won the man of the match for final. Also he has proved in the past that he can play at highest level.
 
IMMY69 said:
I still maintain that he’s got fantastic potential with the ball...
Battingwise, he needs to take the pressure off and look to play straight.

Certainly a player worth persisting with.
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what potential?? Anwar Ali has better bowling potential than him.
 
PCB need to invest in and not discourage him. We don't have any other all rounder options.
 
Faheem ashraf. Who even is he? Some random gully mohala cricketer who somehow made it to the national team. Also he needs to utilise a certain organ that Allah has given him called the BRAIN.
 
MRSN said:
PSL has been producing some really mediocre players to be honest. I think PSL should not be the benchmark for national team. They should pick players based on fc,One days and PSL. These players perform in PSL and then they are picked to play at highest level.
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None of these guys really excelled at PSL. Even Faheem, he got wickets, but he really didn't look amazing and was sort of bumped up in terms of bowling priority due to Raees injury.

PSLs before obviously Sharjeel did well, who also has talent.

The only Pakistanis who impressed me last PSL was Asif Ali who genuinely looked better in PSL. And of course Kamran Akmal did very well yet again. But really it was dominated by foreigners. And in all honesty only Kamran really could be said to have really excelled with the bat in the recent PSL.

Usually though I think the guys who succeed in LOI cricket have good allround records, including first class performance. If a player has a low first class average usually that means his technique is pretty bad.

I think PSL is quite a good measure honestly, I think the issue is hardly any of our players do well in it right now. It's just you've got to have a good record to back up PSL, you shouldn't be picked on the back of one solitary PSL or despite having a bad overall record in all formats.
 
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Faheem Ashraf was the top wicket taker in 2018 PSL, nobody saw his economy which was hovering very high

Not what you want from a bowler in t20s..

Definitely overrated with the bat...

He is no better than our other bowlers while batting.

Probably Hasan Ali has been better with the bat than him
 
Rana said:
One performance away, Pandya came into the limelight after that kamikaze 76 against Pakistan. An innings like that would propel his value as an All-rounder.

TBF to Pakistan, they have had nothing to be excited about since Razzaq left. Not a single player that offers Pace above 85mph and can hit against genuine pace. Faheem is the best to come out since Razzaq
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Pandya has many other achievements, like a Test hundred, a 93 against SA when the rest of the team collapsed, a 5-fer in a Test against England that set up India's sole win in the last series etc.
 
Yes. Extremely overrated. Has done nothing witht the bat. He’s a tailender disguised as an all rounder.
 
ads101 said:
None of these guys really excelled at PSL. Even Faheem, he got wickets, but he really didn't look amazing and was sort of bumped up in terms of bowling priority due to Raees injury.

PSLs before obviously Sharjeel did well, who also has talent.

The only Pakistanis who impressed me last PSL was Asif Ali who genuinely looked better in PSL. And of course Kamran Akmal did very well yet again. But really it was dominated by foreigners. And in all honesty only Kamran really could be said to have really excelled with the bat in the recent PSL.

Usually though I think the guys who succeed in LOI cricket have good allround records, including first class performance. If a player has a low first class average usually that means his technique is pretty bad.

I think PSL is quite a good measure honestly, I think the issue is hardly any of our players do well in it right now. It's just you've got to have a good record to back up PSL, you shouldn't be picked on the back of one solitary PSL or despite having a bad overall record in all formats.
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Well I strongly believe PSL promotes mediocrity because it is a lottery. A player with awful domestic stats can come and play a fluke innings which is hyped ul by our fans and media and then selecyors pick these players to save themselves from criticism.Perfect example is this Asif guy. He is a hack and everyone knows he is a legside hack with mediocre domestic stats yet he has managed to feature in Pakistan team for last one year.
 
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He is at the same level as Anwar Ali and Bhatti.
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they should give aamer Yamin a chance. Atleast he is good at one department for sure: batting. It is not easy to average 40 at an 80sr in Pakistani first class cricket. His been hard done by.
 
He’s a good fast medium bowler who has bowled well in test cricket thus far. He will take wickets in England during the World Cup.

I’ve been disappointed by his batting. He needs to get himself in in ODIs....and play a meaningful innings. He’s got the skill. I still believe in a big World Cup game he will see us over the line with the bat.

Keep the faith!
 
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