Is India proving that foreign coaches are over rated?

[Savak]

I believe India has been sticking to their own local coaches like Ravi Shastri, Sanjay Bangar, Robin Singh, Venkatesh Prasad. Rahul Dravid is taking care of their NCA, U-19 and A Teams.

The last times they had foreign coaches in Greg Chappel and Duncan Fletcher, they were complete disasters and Fletcher had to be replaced by Ravi Shastri in the middle of a tour.

Time for Pakistan to take note and start investing in its local legends as coaches.

 

[Mamoon]

Coaching international cricket is overrated anyway. All you need is world class players and a captain who is an elite player himself.

That drunkard Shastri will turn Pakistan cricket into a bigger circus that it is now.

 

[Sachin136]

The last times they had foreign coaches in Greg Chappel and Duncan Fletcher, they were complete disasters and Fletcher had to be replaced by Ravi Shastri in the middle of a tour.

John Wright and Gary Kirsten were great for India though.

 

[Shaddy86]

Psychologists would be more useful than the numerous amount of coaches each team carries with them these days.

 

[Pakistanian]

Coaching international cricket is overrated anyway. All you need is world class players and a captain who is an elite player himself.

That drunkard Shastri will turn Pakistan cricket into a bigger circus that it is now.

You've never played organized sports so you wouldn't understand the importance of a head coach + other coaches on staff.

 

[JaDed]

Garry Kirsten and John Wright were great coaches, even Duncan was great jus Dhoni under him wasn't good.
Coaches do matter but having individual bowling and batting coaches along with many NCA matter as well..

 

[Mamoon]

You've never played organized sports so you wouldn't understand the importance of a head coach + other coaches on staff.

Yes as a two time NFL MVP, you have better insights into the hierarchy of cricket.

The role of a head coach in international cricket is ceremonial. It is what captaincy is in football (soccer), while the manager in football (soccer) plays the role of a cricket captain.

You need specialist coaches that essentially serve the role of an assistant manager in football (soccer), but a head coach is useless.

 

[PakLFC]

India is proving that diet and fitness is everything. I recall Kohli saying how he has not had his favourite chicken dish even once in years just for the sake of maintaining his near perfect fitness. Foreign or local coach the players have to follow a strict regime to get the best out off themselves. Someone said Pak players still readily tuck in to biryanis and kebabs whenever they want.

 

[Madplayer]

Shastri isnt doing anything except cheer leading.

A monkey could "coach" this Indian team to a world cup win. Thats how good they are.

 

[Surya Kiran]

India is proving that diet and fitness is everything. I recall Kohli saying how he has not had his favourite chicken dish even once in years just for the sake of maintaining his near perfect fitness. Foreign or local coach the players have to follow a strict regime to get the best out off themselves. Someone said Pak players still readily tuck in to biryanis and kebabs whenever they want.

Yes, Onus is always on the players to maintain certain standards, they are all grown people

 

[Surya Kiran]

I believe India has been sticking to their own local coaches like Ravi Shastri, Sanjay Bangar, Robin Singh, Venkatesh Prasad. Rahul Dravid is taking care of their NCA, U-19 and A Teams.

The last times they had foreign coaches in Greg Chappel and Duncan Fletcher, they were complete disasters and Fletcher had to be replaced by Ravi Shastri in the middle of a tour.

Time for Pakistan to take note and start investing in its local legends as coaches.

If coach has below skills, it will work out

- Man Management
- Understanding that captain runs the ship in cricket and planning practice sessions

 

[KingKhanWC]

Shastri has been awful, making abusrd selections and poor tactics. I think it's more down to the likes of Dhoni India are playing well but all it takes is to lose in the semi or final and it's back to square one.

 

[Leeon1994]

Pakistan team needs a good psychologist for their mental hurdles against India in tournament matches.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Coaching international cricket is overrated anyway. All you need is world class players and a captain who is an elite player himself.

That drunkard Shastri will turn Pakistan cricket into a bigger circus that it is now.

Completely agree.

Also, I think their captain choices in succession have really helped them build toward an excellent team. Many teams fear them and some teams (like Pakistan) get into the ground having already lost the match in their minds.

 

[RajBan]

While I dislike Shastri for his arrogance and his lobbyist outlook and penchant for political games, he does offer moderate strategic proficiency which Kohli lacks. That's not to say I support his selection over Kumble which is solely based on cheerleading the powers that be (in this case Kohli and Dhoni) . He is a drunkard, lacks discipline and a bad example for already pampered brats like Pandya /Rahul.

 

[Mamoon]

Completely agree.

Also, I think their captain choices in succession have really helped them build toward an excellent team. Many teams fear them and some teams (like Pakistan) get into the ground having already lost the match in their minds.

When you regularly produce elite players, you will find leaders as well. India have consistently produce A grade players since the mid 90’s.

 

[KingKhanWC]

When you regularly produce elite players, you will find leaders as well. India have consistently produce A grade players since the mid 90’s.

Batsmen not bowlers unless you think the likes of Nehra, Irfan Pathan, Srinath and Sreesanth are A grade.

India have only produced two good captains since the 90's, Ganguly and Dhoni.

It's great you spend masses of time talking of India but at watch them play too.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India still has "favoritism" issues. They pick players that are their favorites. Nobody will buy this is the best XI India can field. We just run with it hoping our weaknesses are exposed. Only one good thing Kohli did was going for wicket takers rather than bowlers who can bat a bit.

 

[Mamoon]

Batsmen not bowlers unless you think the likes of Nehra, Irfan Pathan, Srinath and Sreesanth are A grade.

India have only produced two good captains since the 90's, Ganguly and Dhoni.

It's great you spend masses of time talking of India but at watch them play too.

Kohli is an excellent captain and so is Rohit. Dravid was quite decent as well.

India were predominantly a batting nation who produced good spinners and rarely good pacers, but that has changed in recent years and they have been an outstanding bowling team as well. It is you who needs to keep up with Indian cricket.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Kohli is an excellent captain and so is Rohit. Dravid was quite decent as well.

India were predominantly a batting nation who produced good spinners and rarely good pacers, but that has changed in recent years and they have been an outstanding bowling team as well. It is you who needs to keep up with Indian cricket.

You wrote

"India have consistently produce A grade players since the mid 90’s."

Name the bowlers, unless you think they are not players?

 

[BlueAngel]

Some day, Dhoni will Coach India, mark my words, may be towards the end of Kohli's career.

Imagine, Indian Captain Kohli and Coach Dhoni, we would be telling kids that they used to play together.

 

[Mamoon]

You wrote

"India have consistently produce A grade players since the mid 90’s."

Name the bowlers, unless you think they are not players?

I was speaking collectively, not distinguishing between batsmen, bowlers and keepers.

 

[Rana]

India never needed a ‘coach’. They needed a guy who wouldn’t fall out with Kohli. A father figure that Kohli missed for a long time I suppose. I guess Shastri treats Kohli like his son, and this chemistry is working for India

 

[BlueAngel]

Shastri is basically Mohsin Khan of India.
He is just open about whatever he does and doesnt talk too much.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I was speaking collectively, not distinguishing between batsmen, bowlers and keepers.

A bit silly to do so when they have produced rubbish bowlers until recently but we have clarified this now.

 

[Plumb]

Not necessarily... To appoint a coach you need to look at what is the requirement and what is the goal for that term.
The way I see it its basically appointing the right person for the job. You can bring the best of the best but if his methods players can't adopt or vice versa then failure is bound to happen.

 

[Mamoon]

A bit silly to do so when they have produced rubbish bowlers until recently but we have clarified this now.

Not exactly rubbish. Harbhajan was a good spinner and Zaheer was an excellent swing and seam bowler. However, they have had a boom in this decade with Ashwin, Bumrah and Kuldeep.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not exactly rubbish. Harbhajan was a good spinner and Zaheer was an excellent swing and seam bowler. However, they have had a boom in this decade with Ashwin, Bumrah and Kuldeep.

Naming 5 bowlers in near 30 years doesn't warrant your original statement. You've clarifired it was only batsmen, put the shovel away now.

 

[Mamoon]

Naming 5 bowlers in near 30 years doesn't warrant your original statement. You've clarifired it was only batsmen, put the shovel away now.

If you follow the discussion, you would be know what I meant. A poster talked how India were able to produce one good captain after the other, and I replied that when you consistently produce quality players, you will get good captains as well.

The fact that India were able to replace Ganguly with Dhoni and Dhoni with Kohli is a testament to their capability of producing world class cricketers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If you follow the discussion, you would be know what I meant. A poster talked how India were able to produce one good captain after the other, and I replied that when you consistently produce quality players, you will get good captains as well.

The fact that India were able to replace Ganguly with Dhoni and Dhoni with Kohli is a testament to their capability of producing world class cricketers.

I did follow but you made a false statement, as India have not produced great bowlers since the 90's, so you should have wrote batsmen.

Knock knock, many other teams have produced great cricketers since then. Australia and SA many more than India. Look your love for India is known but you're over doing praise for them now and even Indian fans are likely reading your posts crigning.

 

[topspin]

I believe India has been sticking to their own local coaches like Ravi Shastri, Sanjay Bangar, Robin Singh, Venkatesh Prasad. Rahul Dravid is taking care of their NCA, U-19 and A Teams.

The last times they had foreign coaches in Greg Chappel and Duncan Fletcher, they were complete disasters and Fletcher had to be replaced by Ravi Shastri in the middle of a tour.

Time for Pakistan to take note and start investing in its local legends as coaches.

The issue I have with this suggestion is the fact you're generalising something that is norm for other prominent cricket sides but not for Pakistan. In other words the likes of Australia, England, South Africa, India and etc produce competent cricket coaches, however Pakistan doesn't!

The best you will find in Pakistan is the calibre of Mohsin, Waqar et al - now if one of these guys replaces Mickey, tell me will that help you sleep at night?

 

[farazaidi]

India was having a near perfect run in 2015 too before they ran into Australia. Guess what happened next? all hell broke loose and Kohli and Dhoni were at the center of criticism, even Anushka got so much flake too.

It only takes 1 knockout game to turn everything mate

 

[Sachin136]

India never needed a ‘coach’. They needed a guy who wouldn’t fall out with Kohli. A father figure that Kohli missed for a long time I suppose. I guess Shastri treats Kohli like his son, and this chemistry is working for India

Pretty much. Kumble is a great guy but everyone knows that he has a temper.

 

[happydavy]

A monkey could "coach" this Indian team to a world cup win. Thats how good they are.

And what makes you think that it's not the case at present?

 

[jusarrived]

Some day, Dhoni will Coach India, mark my words, may be towards the end of Kohli's career.

Imagine, Indian Captain Kohli and Coach Dhoni, we would be telling kids that they used to play together.

Good chance Dhoni will be still playing when Virat takes up coaching after his retirement

 

[happydavy]

India was having a near perfect run in 2015 too before they ran into Australia. Guess what happened next? all hell broke loose and Kohli and Dhoni were at the center of criticism, even Anushka got so much flake too.

It only takes 1 knockout game to turn everything mate

If India runs into Australia in semis, then I guess similar fate is awaited. I don't think India can win against Australia esp. batting second.

 

[hasanali]

Mickey Arthur has been an excellent appointment for Pakistan.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Its like real Madrid and Zidane, no super coach required.

 

[Savak]

The issue I have with this suggestion is the fact you're generalising something that is norm for other prominent cricket sides but not for Pakistan. In other words the likes of Australia, England, South Africa, India and etc produce competent cricket coaches, however Pakistan doesn't!

The best you will find in Pakistan is the calibre of Mohsin, Waqar et al - now if one of these guys replaces Mickey, tell me will that help you sleep at night?

Why not? Barring the CT Win, Mickey has had nothing to show for himself, if a local Pakistani coach had the results he did, he would have been shown the door in a heartbeat

 

[sweep_shot]

Major teams don't need coaches. Lower tier teams need coaches.

 

[topspin]

Why not? Barring the CT Win, Mickey has had nothing to show for himself, if a local Pakistani coach had the results he did, he would have been shown the door in a heartbeat

Are you actually serious? Waqar (along with Misbah) is one of the major reasons why Pakistan fell to 9th in the ODI rankings.

Mickey has already accomplished a lot more than Waqar Younis in ODIs. Don't pretend otherwise.

 

[hasanali]

Anyone who hates on Mickey doesn't really know much about cricket. The fact is, he built this team from scratch.

 

[cricketjoshila]

A bit silly to do so when they have produced rubbish bowlers until recently but we have clarified this now.

Can you name a few Pakistani bowlers who have taken 200 test wickets and made their debut in the from 1990 till now?

Compare that with India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Naming 5 bowlers in near 30 years doesn't warrant your original statement. You've clarifired it was only batsmen, put the shovel away now.

You name 5 pakistani bowlers who have taken 200 test wickets since 1990.

 

[Napa]

A bit silly to do so when they have produced rubbish bowlers until recently but we have clarified this now.

Rubbish bowlers until now? No team with rubbish bowlers gets to be ranked the #1 Test team in the world like India was ranked in 1973, 1995 and 2009.