Is it acceptable for Yasir Shah to not have developed a googly by now?

[Savak]

He has been a regular for the Pakistani test team since 2014. I remember he bowled Johnny Bairstow with it in 2015. For someone who has been playing regularly for Pakistan, he should have put in some serious work on it and developed it by now. I see a bowler who has regressed massively now.

Not only does he not have a googly. He doesn't have a flipper and his leg spinners don't turn as prodigiously as they did early on in his career from 2014-15. I wonder if it is the non-stop constant bowling of 30-40 plus overs per innings to blame for taking a toll on his body and action? He certainly doesn't help his cause by turning up on the heavier side

One of the major frustrations I have with Pakistani players, they don't progress or move to the next level, start off their careers with a bang but then get studied by the opposition and subdued for the rest of their careers.

Is it a work ethic problem where the players don't work as hard or as hungry for success in comparison to their predecessors?

Is it due to faulty coaching by the out dated, non performing coaching staff at the NCA?

Is it the absence of equipment, methods in our training academies?

 

[sully3]

Pakistan never replaced the spin bowling coach since mushi got sacked

yasir was at his best with mushi giving him advice

 

[Savak]

Pakistan never replaced the spin bowling coach since mushi got sacked

yasir was at his best with mushi giving him advice

Yasir is experienced enough to figure things out on his own. Can't have someone holding your hand in international cricket forever. Besides he has also had sessions with Warne himself, that hasn't helped him much either

 

[freezerburn]

You said it: pak players all rely too much on raw talent rather than progression through learning, and such get exposed by the opposition.

 

[Shandarchowka]

Even Shadab has a good googly. Yasir should try it out next match.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He did bowl googly against Australia the last match .

 

[WengerOut]

Warne did not have a decent googly. Only Kumble himself thought his googly was deceptive. So yeah, a googly is not a must. Yasir himself has performed admirably without it. This is just an out of form situation

 

[Madplayer]

He has been useless for over a year now

 

[the_outsider]

Warne did not have a decent googly. Only Kumble himself thought his googly was deceptive. So yeah, a googly is not a must. Yasir himself has performed admirably without it. This is just an out of form situation

What makes you say that?

Warne had a good googly. And he had the best flipper amongst all spinners that have ever played the game. He was not short on variations.

 

[WengerOut]

What makes you say that?

Warne had a good googly. And he had the best flipper amongst all spinners that have ever played the game. He was not short on variations.

He rarely bowled googly.

 

[the_outsider]

He rarely bowled googly.

That's true. He hardly ever used the googly. But when he did, he got it to turn quite a bit. But yes you're right. It was his least used variation.

 

[Abid Z]

Warne did not have a decent googly. Only Kumble himself thought his googly was deceptive. So yeah, a googly is not a must. Yasir himself has performed admirably without it. This is just an out of form situation

I think the ops point is that any leg spinner needs variation and Yasir doesn’t have a significant flipper or googly. I mean of course he has a googly but just doesn’t use it effectively neither does he have much of a top spinner or flipper ala Warne.

Now of course don’t get me wrong shadab has tonnes of varieties and bowls them all yet is not an effective test leg spinner but Yasir just doesn’t seem much of a threat without an occasional top spinner that would bring more lbw into play. The ops point is quite valid, after 4 years in international cricket why is Yasir failing to develop??

Of course it helps to put things in perspective..Warne in 1994-98 was mostly leg break and only significantly used flipper after shoulder injuries so let’s say in the later half of his career...for a lot of his career especially in late 90’s he was neck and neck with McGill but raced ahead once he developed the flipper and started running through sides. But this thread isn’t about Warne it’s about making the point that...

Yasir isn’t developing as a bowler (as much as we’d all like). His control is impeccable which immediately puts him ahead of any other leg spinner around but a little variation would certainly make him deadly especially if abbass is bowling at the other end and keeping things tight.

 

[castortroy]

He has just regressed.

Hardly any variation in his bowling and continues 30-40 overs per innings must have an impact on the body.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

He has been useless for over a year now

He has hardly played, bhai sahab.

 

[Junaids]

I used to be a leg-spinner.

Bowlers with a high arm action like Mushtaq and Kumble have a good googly (wrong’un) but can hardly spin their leg-breaks.

Bowlers with more of a round-arm action like Yasir Shah and Shane Warne get much more turn for their leg-break, but can’t bowl a googly.

That won’t ever change.

 

[WengerOut]

I used to be a leg-spinner.

Bowlers with a high arm action like Mushtaq and Kumble have a good googly (wrong’un) but can hardly spin their leg-breaks.

Bowlers with more of a round-arm action like Yasir Shah and Shane Warne get much more turn for their leg-break, but can’t bowl a googly.

That won’t ever change.

Kumble dint have a good googly. I could pick it from watching TV.

 

[Junaids]

Kumble dint have a good googly. I could pick it from watching TV.

Kumble had an obvious googly but at least he could turn it back into the right-handed.

Round-arm bowlers like Warne and Yasir can’t turn a googly in at all.

Warne used to bowl big ripping leggies of differing flight and deviation, mixed in with a fast straight flipper.

For all his nonsense about ”new deliveries”, Warne could only bowl leggies and flippers. And his 2002-2003 shoulder injury robbed him of the flipper too.

But he still had incredible accuracy and subtle variations in flight and turn.

 

[Hasan123]

The reason he doesn't play LO cricket is because he lacks variety but his success at test level is due to his accuracy. If he looses his accuracy, I worry for his future.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Googly is very difficult to master when you're an International leg spinner. It is rather that is developed when you're starting your cricket has a teen. I think I have a reason behind that too.

You see Shadab has very good googly and can be seen he isn't that consistent with his leg spinners. He is developing the balance now.

P.S: Same thing is with me. I have a really good googly too (Not bragging). But it's a little difficult for me to have control over leg spin. My friends struggle to bowl googly. Yet I bowl with ease.

 

[ARK Rafay]

I used to be a leg-spinner.

Bowlers with a high arm action like Mushtaq and Kumble have a good googly (wrong’un) but can hardly spin their leg-breaks.

Bowlers with more of a round-arm action like Yasir Shah and Shane Warne get much more turn for their leg-break, but can’t bowl a googly.

That won’t ever change.

This is what I was trying to explain. On my above post. When you're young it is easy to make changes to your bowling action.