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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is it easier to get a job if you're Adam or Mohamed? <a href="https://t.co/FGo3Y5bYji">https://t.co/FGo3Y5bYji</a></p>— BBC News (UK) (@BBCNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/828435075427602432">6 February 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Does having a Muslim name make it harder to get a job?" >> you'll never guess what the BBC investigation discovered <a href="https://t.co/BeX7L0DpjE">https://t.co/BeX7L0DpjE</a></p>— Mehdi Hasan (@mehdirhasan) <a href="https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/828605453517062144">6 February 2017</a></blockquote>
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This study was initially done in the US with black sounding names having the same qualifications as whites, and later in India with low caste sounding names. The results were as expected.
 
Well I'm having trouble finding a part time job and all of my friends got the McDonald's, Subway, etc. job easily. Im'ma say it's down to my Muslim-sounding name more than anything.
 
Well I'm having trouble finding a part time job and all of my friends got the McDonald's, Subway, etc. job easily. Im'ma say it's down to my Muslim-sounding name more than anything.

Do the Chinese way. Have a name like Harry or Cathy or Judy etc.

All of Chinese Collegues I ever worked have English sounding names.

Sometihng like Xin-Won becomes Cathy Won and Wen Jia Xang becomes George. Try Masking your name for better results.
 
Any similar studies, in the UK, USA or elsewhere, between Indian (non-Muslim) sounding names and 'white' sounding names?

James Bond meets an Indian Telugu guy,

James Bond :
My name's Bond... James Bond.
And you?

Indian Telugu Guy :

I am Sai...
Venkata Sai...
Siva Venkata Sai...
Laxminarayana Siva Venkata Sai....
Srinivasulu Laxminarayana Siva Venkata Sai...
Rajasekhara Srinivasulu Laxminarayana Siva Venkata Sai.....
Sitaramanjaneyulu Rajasekhara Srinivasulu Laxminarayana Siva Venkata Sai....
Bommiraju Sitaramanjaneyulu Rajasekhara Srinivasulu Laxminarayana Siva Venkata Sai....

James Bond faints.
 
Well I'm having trouble finding a part time job and all of my friends got the McDonald's, Subway, etc. job easily. Im'ma say it's down to my Muslim-sounding name more than anything.
I thought you said being a Muslim, and Trumps attitudes towards Muslims, doesn't, and will not, affect you in any way whatsoever?

Not sure why everyone is buggin' out. None of Trump's policies are affecting me atm.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...tanis-fear-they-re-next&p=9087310#post9087310

What he says doesn't affect me. He's just another hater. Muslims in the past have had it worse. He is not (destroying) and nobody ever will destroy our great religion.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...tanis-fear-they-re-next&p=9087329#post9087329

Sorry I don't watch the news all day. I prefer to figure stuff out by myself. I do read news, but scarcely. There is racism against every race and religion by the way. Muslims aren't singled out.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...tanis-fear-they-re-next&p=9087422#post9087422
 
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Any similar studies, in the UK, USA or elsewhere, between Indian (non-Muslim) sounding names and 'white' sounding names?

Thankfully Most telugu kids are given very short names these days. No more long names. May be in villages.

Telugu people are adopting Northy names like Amit, Rakesh, Ranjit, Ratan, Kunal etc..
 
Never had trouble finding a job due to my name, race or religion.

As they say in Urdu "Mehnat kar hassad na kar"


Work so hard that your qualifications are the part that stick out on your resume rather than your name.
 
Thankfully Most telugu kids are given very short names these days. No more long names. May be in villages.

Telugu people are adopting Northy names like Amit, Rakesh, Ranjit, Ratan, Kunal etc..
I'll bet, other the name Mohammed, most Americans don't know the difference between Muslim names and even non-Muslim Indian names like Amit, Rakesh, Ranjit, Ratan, Kunal etc that you mention.
 
Never had trouble finding a job due to my name, race or religion.

As they say in Urdu "Mehnat kar hassad na kar"


Work so hard that your qualifications are the part that stick out on your resume rather than your name.
Have you ever been rejected for an interview? If yes, how do you know that your Muslim name didn't play a part in the rejection?
Only way to tell would have been if you had submitted your application twice, once with your real (Muslim) name, and once with a fake white Anglo-Saxon sounding name. Which is exactly what the BBC did in order to reach it's conclusions.
 
Have you ever been rejected for an interview? If yes, how do you know that your Muslim name didn't play a part in the rejection?
Only way to tell would have been if you had submitted your application twice, once with your real (Muslim) name, and once with a fake white Anglo-Saxon sounding name. Which is exactly what the BBC did in order to reach it's conclusions.

Yes I do get rejected for interviews, because it is not humanly possible to get an interview for every single job you apply for.

However, I doubt that would be due to my name which does not even have a Muhammad in it.

Besides in Canada every second third applicant will have a non-white name. If you are only going to call white sounding names then maybe there will be trouble filling all the positions. Maybe this might be a problem in countries like US and UK where racism is institutionalized.
 
Yes I do get rejected for interviews, because it is not humanly possible to get an interview for every single job you apply for.

However, I doubt that would be due to my name which does not even have a Muhammad in it.

Besides in Canada every second third applicant will have a non-white name. If you are only going to call white sounding names then maybe there will be trouble filling all the positions. Maybe this might be a problem in countries like US and UK where racism is institutionalized.
Maybe this, maybe that ..... point is you don't know all the reasons for the rejections. You don't know if any of them were (even partly) due to you being a Muslim.
 
Maybe this, maybe that ..... point is you don't know all the reasons for the rejections. You don't know if any of them were (even partly) due to you being a Muslim.

Clutching at straws and trying to hatch a conspiracy theory when there is none. Yes the entire world is against poor, innocent Muslims and everyone is trying to put us down.


Like I said, if you are qualified enough you will get the job irrespective what your name is. If you have a highschool diploma and want an engineer's job then good luck to you but your name has no bearing on you being rejected for the job.
 
Yes I do get rejected for interviews, because it is not humanly possible to get an interview for every single job you apply for.

However, I doubt that would be due to my name which does not even have a Muhammad in it.

Besides in Canada every second third applicant will have a non-white name. If you are only going to call white sounding names then maybe there will be trouble filling all the positions. Maybe this might be a problem in countries like US and UK where racism is institutionalized.
If someone in Canada can kill worshippers inside a mosque purely because they were Muslims, then it's quite feasible that others in Canada, involved in the recruitment chain, could reject a job applicant due to the applicant being a Muslim without anyone else knowing the real reason for the rejection.
 
If someone in Canada can kill worshippers inside a mosque purely because they were Muslims, then it's quite feasible that others in Canada, involved in the recruitment chain, could reject a job applicant due to the applicant being a Muslim.

Going by that logic every Muslim is like ISIS.
 
I wanted to add that one can acknowledge that inequalities exist...the English Language field I work in is known to have hierarchies and there are chances of racist hiring policies...

That said it's never affected my mentality in the field...you work hard, you rely on your abilities and your qualifications...and in my case I have got the jobs ive wanted...

A defeatist mentality will just lead to a lack of achievement...
 
While i don't dispute the findings i'd say on a personal level it's just unproductive to have a mentality where you speculate...

Its better to have Syed's mentality then a victim mentality...
If someone had asked me if I have ever been rejected for a job due to my Muslim name (and I've worked for UK, US, Middle Eastern as well as European employers), I would have categorically stated "No. Never". However, I had no way of knowing for sure.

But it does happen. And unless studies such as these are undertaken (similarly for those involving blacks for example), then discrimination flourishes and continues to flourish.

So shouting "victim mentality" at others is easy when you're not the victim but belong to the sections of society carrying out the discrimination.
 
Never had trouble finding a job due to my name, race or religion.

As they say in Urdu "Mehnat kar hassad na kar"


Work so hard that your qualifications are the part that stick out on your resume rather than your name.

haha, congrats on being a token "one of the good ones" who still has his head stuck in the sand when it comes to institutional racism and sexism.
 
I wanted to add that one can acknowledge that inequalities exist...the English Language field I work in is known to have hierarchies and there are chances of racist hiring policies...

That said it's never affected my mentality in the field...you work hard, you rely on your abilities and your qualifications...and in my case I have got the jobs ive wanted...

A defeatist mentality will just lead to a lack of achievement...
That's ok when one does end up being successful.

Lets change the players in this argument about inequalities for a second. Lets call those at the receiving end of those equalities "women". Is it acceptable that a women should be expected to work twice as hard, be twice as talented, in order to reach the same level as her male colleagues? Or is it wrong? Get the point?
 
If someone had asked me if I have ever been rejected for a job due to my Muslim name (and I've worked for UK, US, Middle Eastern as well as European employers), I would have categorically stated "No. Never". However, I had no way of knowing for sure.

But it does happen. And unless studies such as these are undertaken (similarly for those involving blacks for example), then discrimination flourishes and continues to flourish.

So shouting "victim mentality" at others is easy when you're not the victim but belong to the sections of society carrying out the discrimination.


I agree with your first sentence...you can never know for sure...what I can say is even or despite having a Muslim name I have had no problem getting jobs...

And I am not disputing that discrimination exists...and it should be brought up and tackled...what I am saying is ascribing it to oneself on a personal level simply holds one back...you may have to work harder but you can achieve...focusing on discrimination on a personal level can become a self fulfilling prophecy and can also give one excuses for not developing themselves or looking at ways they can improve...

Considering I am of mixed heritage with a Muslim name...I don't see how I fall into the category your final paragraph discusses...
 
depends on the job but Adam most likely to get more interest. One good thing George Bush did back in the 2000s was the EEO (Equal Employment Opportunity) that made diversity a good thing for companies. Most companies are required to have a diverse group of employees...worked well in my case...currently the only brown person in an all white management team.
 
That's ok when one does end up being successful.

Lets change the players in this argument about inequalities for a second. Lets call those at the receiving end of those equalities "women". Is it acceptable that a women should be expected to work twice as hard, be twice as talented, in order to reach the same level as her male colleagues? Or is it wrong? Get the point?

One can point out inequalities and problems whilst simultaneously not letting it impact their own mentality when it comes to life...

You mention it's ok when one does end up successful which is correct...it means that one can be successful in spite of things that can hold one back...and this goes for all categories whether it be ethnicity, gender etc...

Its better to have a personal attitude which isn't defeatist...
 
One can point out inequalities and problems whilst simultaneously not letting it impact their own mentality when it comes to life...

You mention it's ok when one does end up successful which is correct...it means that one can be successful in spite of things that can hold one back...and this goes for all categories whether it be ethnicity, gender etc...

Its better to have a personal attitude which isn't defeatist...

While you are right in that you shouln't be defeatist because it only harms yourself, Yossarian is still 100% correct in arguing with the like of Syed who are basically saying "If you work hard then racism doesn't exist" which is absolutely, categorically and demonstrably false.
 
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I try to act as if there is no racism even though I know inside there might be. Because I don't want to have a victim mentality
 
I try to act as if there is no racism even though I know inside there might be. Because I don't want to have a victim mentality
So what do you do if you know, suspect or even simply feel (without having any evidence whatsoever) that you may have been a victim of racism, even if it's something minor and inconsequential? Ignore it? Challenge it? Just asking.

It is highly probable that I have been a victim of racial abuse and discrimination on numerous occasions during my lifetime. But fortunately never directly to my face, nor something I could prove, nor even something I could say for sure.

During my working career, I have had to manage others, sometimes large teams and departments. On occasions I have even had to make others redundant, or even fire them on the spot. I can guarantee that on many such occasions, my ethnicity, my skin colour, my religious persuasion, heck even my parentage would have been discussed and adversely commented upon behind my back, and not just by those relieved of their jobs.

Having said that, if I see, hear or be informed about another being discriminated against due to their gender, race, religion, colour or any other factor that has no relevance to them performing their job, then I do not take such incidents lightly. I come down hard on those who discriminate.

So whilst I may think about ignoring any discrimination directed against me personally, it would be fundamentally wrong to do so. Because if they can discriminate against me, then they will not hesitate to discriminate against others less fortunate than myself. Hence their discriminatory attitudes must be nipped in the bud and/or ensure measures are taken that prevents them from carrying out further discrimination and abuse against others.
 
Some people suffer serious cognitive dissonance. Even when presented with evidence by academics they reject it for their own 'thoughts' based on their own prejudices.
 
What if you're Muslim and your name is Adam? Win-win! :yk2

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I agree with Shaykh, Syed, Big Mac and Yossarian, we can't rule out discrimination but at the same time have to work hard and try to get ourselves in the best position possible to get employed. If we're the ideal candidate why should they choose an inferior candidate who will not be making the company as much money? that's how I approach the issue because it's not productive to dwell too much on the institutional discrimination but in instances where we have proof of the biases against us then we must report them to the relevant authorities. Our councils also need to do a bit more to encourage equal opportunities amongst a variety of candidates in said company's.
 
This sort of study isn't new, it has been carried out previously but the percentages seem high on this occasion which could be because of the sample size.

The study can't be denied though, exact C.V's but the Muslim name received less interviews, a clear case of Islamaphobia by the employers. I feel it would be even tougher for a Muslim who has a large beard or wears a hijab even if they do get an interview.

Unfortunately we live in a world where this type of discrimination is becoming normal, it's normal to say bad things about Muslims or Islam. Muslims in the UK haven't done enough to counter this and some have accepted the media Zionist led propaganda themselves helping to spread it.

However the UK overall has a lot of employment opportunities compared to many nations, there are plenty of companies who don't care what the ethnicity or religion of the individual is but will give everyone a fair chance as they have to according to UK law.
 
Racism is in every country, the difference is in the US they try to identify where and how it affects people then tries to eliminate it. If you did the same study in any country then you would find similar results. Its actually a quality of the US to do these studies and bring it out in the open to be honest about where they stand. Some countries would still refuse to accept that they have racist undertones.
 
Racism is in every country, the difference is in the US they try to identify where and how it affects people then tries to eliminate it. If you did the same study in any country then you would find similar results. Its actually a quality of the US to do these studies and bring it out in the open to be honest about where they stand. Some countries would still refuse to accept that they have racist undertones.

Racism is indeed in every country but not every country promotes racism or xenophobia, which the US does very well.
 
Racism is indeed in every country but not every country promotes racism or xenophobia, which the US does very well.

Thats your opinion and it serves your purpose, everyone twists things to serve their own purpose. I think muslim countries promote and teach racism very well, better than the US.
 
Thats your opinion and it serves your purpose, everyone twists things to serve their own purpose. I think muslim countries promote and teach racism very well, better than the US.

I've not heard any leader (Muslim or not ) apart from Trump being openly racist. Perhaps you can name one which is worse?
 
I've not heard any leader (Muslim or not ) apart from Trump being openly racist. Perhaps you can name one which is worse?

Its serves a purpose to call Trump racist, but can you name any muslim country that has done studies to identify racism and what those results were.
 
Its serves a purpose to call Trump racist, but can you name any muslim country that has done studies to identify racism and what those results were.

You don't believe his words were racist in nature?

Looking out how many organisations have conducted studies within a country will not tell you anything. You need to look at how the governments and the media have promoted racism or any other forms of prejudism. The US planned multiple wars, they had to demonise the people they were bombing which they have done very well.
 
This sort of study isn't new, it has been carried out previously but the percentages seem high on this occasion which could be because of the sample size.

The study can't be denied though, exact C.V's but the Muslim name received less interviews, a clear case of Islamaphobia by the employers. I feel it would be even tougher for a Muslim who has a large beard or wears a hijab even if they do get an interview.

Unfortunately we live in a world where this type of discrimination is becoming normal, it's normal to say bad things about Muslims or Islam. Muslims in the UK haven't done enough to counter this and some have accepted the media Zionist led propaganda themselves helping to spread it.

However the UK overall has a lot of employment opportunities compared to many nations, there are plenty of companies who don't care what the ethnicity or religion of the individual is but will give everyone a fair chance as they have to according to UK law.

Definitely agree with this post, when it's all said and done I think that in comparison to others countries the UK is not so bad but it has to be said that discrimination does exist and there are people who are genuine victims unfortunately and it will be hard to iron it all out due to current affairs and poor journalism.
 
Definitely agree with this post, when it's all said and done I think that in comparison to others countries the UK is not so bad but it has to be said that discrimination does exist and there are people who are genuine victims unfortunately and it will be hard to iron it all out due to current affairs and poor journalism.

I think you have to fight Islamaphobia as one should fight any injustice of discrimination such as Anti-Semitism, racism , sexism etc but there's only so much you can do. As a Muslim you have to believe God is the provider, I've never worried about lack of money to eat as I would do whatever it takes , clean the streets if I have to but thankfully have been very fortunate. Also if you're future boss has racist tendencies, then it's better not to work for such an organistion. Even if you get the job, you might have to GGG a racist boss after 6 months and with a such a boss, nobody will throw the towel in for him.
 
Bob will always be preferred over Babar, Bernardo,Bayowa and Bhupinder. This is like 10th time seeing an article like this.
 
Thats your opinion and it serves your purpose, everyone twists things to serve their own purpose. I think muslim countries promote and teach racism very well, better than the US.

How so? "Muslim" countries aren't solely a specific race and they're all located in the old world, America is a new country, we were created by immigrants so it isn't fair to compare us to "Muslim" countries (whatever that means). "Muslim" countries aren't any more or less racist than other old world countries, they're obviously not gonna be as inclusive as America but then again America is far more accepting and diverse than other settler-colonialist states like Australia and Israel.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with what Gilly has said ...

The US has its problems regarding racism, sexism, homophobia, islamaphobia etc but being a democracy you do get studies and criticisms by academics who point out these inadequacies ...there are discussioms on these issues ...

What studies in undemocratic Muslim countries do you see about racism about these issues?...

Pakistan seems better than most of these places ...in that there are actually discussions about inequality...the media and academics are generally a lot freer there than most Muslim countries
 
Did you miss the part where they elected a white supremacist as president?

The whole country did?...i guess you're missing the part where non Muslim white people with nothing to gain are protesting against Trumps treatment of Muslims...

Lets be frank for a minute...there would be no such protest in the Muslim world and these are counting democratic Muslim countries...

Where you see negativity...I was actually surprised by just how well many Americans reacted to the xenophobia...
 
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