Is it high time for Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli duo (Ro-Ko) to bow out gracefully or should they also venture on a MS Dhoni-style gamble?

[jeeteshssaxena]

Kholi scored no ton vs Murali and Mendis in 09. Stop lying.

Sorry, I was wrong.
Doesn’t change the fact that Srl was better than Pakistan in the 2010s and 2000s

 

[jnaveen1980]

 

[saimayubera]

Yousuf was a better bat than Ganguly and Dravid is not even in the discussion. Babar Azam and Imam ul Haq in ODIs already have better numbers than any Indian ODI batter in history apart from Tendulker Kholi and Rohit. Rohit has 33 100s after millions of matches. Babar has 19 and is 7-8 years younger than oldman Rohit despite lean patch of 2 years.

Naah.

Dravid and Inzy were on par as ODI batsmen.

Ganguly was better than MoYo. More runs, more centuries. Slightly lower average but Ganguly opened.

Babar and Imam DO NOT HAVE better numbers than any Indian ODI batter in history apart from these three. Ganguly, Dhoni, Dravid are all better than them.

Runs have inflated in the two new ball era.

Using your logic the likes of Dhawan (44.11), KL Rahul (48.31), Shreyas Iyer (47.81), Sanju Samson (56.66), Shubman Gill (56.36) etc are better than MoYo (42.08), Miandad (41.70), Anwar (39.21), Inzy (39.53) etc lol.

Most of Babar's 19 have come against minnows and B/C teams during IPL.

He has ONE hundred in ICC tournaments where teams play full strength teams. Rohit has 8.

Rohit has 100s and MoMs in ICC ODI KOs. Babar has none.

Babar has ZERO 100s against India whose full strength team he plays. Rohit has a few vs Pakistan including in World Cups where he has two MoMs vs them.

 

[saimayubera]

Out of curiosity I checked Kholi's record in ODIs. Out of his 51 100s, 25 have come against Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe. @saimayubera @The Bald Eagle

Even if you eliminate those he still has more 100s than any Pakistani ever lol

You do the same with Babar Azam as well as remove the B/C teams he will have 1-2 100s.

 

[Buffet]

Both should call it a day.

 

[saimayubera]

Yousuf was not better than Ganguly in Odis.
Huge gap between them.
You can check Icc ratings as well as performance in world cups, Ganguly has Yousuf beat.

Anwar and Ganguly are actually on par, with Anwar having a better str rate but Gangulys performance against top teams is better.

Ganguly slightly better imo. Ganguly has more runs, better average, more 100s.

Also contributed in CT 02 win.

 

[tiger_khan]

True! In fact Gambhir is currently the most disliked personality related to Indian cricket.

LOL I remember an Indian posting on this very forum after the first Aus vs India ODI that all the critics of Gambhir on SM should apologize to him now after the failure of Rohit And Kohli

I wonder who was that?

 

[Hitman]

LOL I remember an Indian posting on this very forum after the first Aus vs India ODI that all the critics of Gambhir on SM should apologize to him now after the failure of Rohit And Kohli

I wonder who was that?

Yea, one person echoes the whole of India.

 

[charlie007]

Is my statement correct or not? 25 out of 51 have come against bottom dwelling teams. Telling stat.

I haven’t checked the validity of your statement and stats but for the sake of argument I’ll assume they’re correct. So 26 have come against top tier teams. He doesn’t care who he’s playing against, he just performs. You continue to score self goals when you diss champion players.

 

[tiger_khan]

Yea, one person echoes the whole of India.

LOL didn't you also ask people to apologize to Agarkar?

LOL under the leadership of Amit Shah's son, the BCCI appointed coach and chief selector, towing the RSS line and the allegation of likes of you following it is definitely conspiratorial thinking...

 

[Hitman]

LOL didn't you also ask people to apologize to Agarkar?

LOL under the leadership of Amit Shah's son, the BCCI appointed coach and chief selector, towing the RSS line and the allegation of likes of you following it is definitely conspiratorial thinking...

No, I didn't. You are confusing me with some other poster.

 

[harshjoshi87]

I'm biggest supporter of King but team is more important than any individual player .

It's time to build the 2027 world Cup team with gill , Jaiswal Abhishek, Tilak,sai etc

Btw @harshjoshi87 tuktukraj won't represent indian team again so no point of crying in this thread.

It's not Rohit or Virat but our flat track bully captain princess should who should go. He should be thrown out of the team as he has been a regular failure in white ball cricket outside flat highways of Ahmedabad.

Shreyas should captain the side

 

[harshjoshi87]

On a serious note, Rohit & Virat should take it series by series. Sachin played 2011 WC at age of 38.

Kohli does have a chance to catch that flight in 2027, but age factor in Rohit's case makes him vulnerable. But he has lost his weight, is back scoring big runs which he had given up since 2023 WC. Rohit wants to win that WC badly which he couldn't in 2023 & I think he will be on that plane because of his sheer will.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

LOL didn't you also ask people to apologize to Agarkar?

LOL under the leadership of Amit Shah's son, the BCCI appointed coach and chief selector, towing the RSS line and the allegation of likes of you following it is definitely conspiratorial thinking...

Can you explain with exact, empirical, calculatable, measurable, quantifiable, formulaic, anecdotal or any other means with examples from media/websites/newspapers/channels/any other means, what exactly is :

- the RSS line?

- what does 'Towing the RSS line' mean in everythign outside the cricketing sphere

- What does 'Towing the RSS line' mean in terms of BCCI selecting the 15 odd guys for each Test/ODI/T20 series/tournaments?

- And by Extension please also give examples with the same metrics as i mentioned above how the 15 odd guys chosen for each tournament/series for the 3 formats ever since 'Amit Shah's son' took over 'furthered or exemplified or displayed' the 'RSS line' in all their actions on the field in each series/tournaments.

- Please also explain how the same 15 guys 'towed the RSS line' in their actions off the field, ie in press conferences, on utube/SM/their generic behaviour outside of the cricketing sphere or in their private/ personal lives.

- Please also explain if the 'towing the RSS line' is limited to Team India men's cricket only or does it encompass Womens cricket as well as the U-19 teams and the 'A teams'

- Please also explain how 'towing the RSS line' is applicable in domestic cricket across formats, genders and age groups
Await your ilm ke explosions

 

[tiger_khan]

Can you explain with exact, empirical, calculatable, measurable, quantifiable, formulaic, anecdotal or any other means with examples from media/websites/newspapers/channels/any other means, what exactly is :

- the RSS line?

- what does 'Towing the RSS line' mean in everythign outside the cricketing sphere

- What does 'Towing the RSS line' mean in terms of BCCI selecting the 15 odd guys for each Test/ODI/T20 series/tournaments?

- And by Extension please also give examples with the same metrics as i mentioned above how the 15 odd guys chosen for each tournament/series for the 3 formats ever since 'Amit Shah's son' took over 'furthered or exemplified or displayed' the 'RSS line' in all their actions on the field in each series/tournaments.

- Please also explain how the same 15 guys 'towed the RSS line' in their actions off the field, ie in press conferences, on utube/SM/their generic behaviour outside of the cricketing sphere or in their private/ personal lives.

- Please also explain if the 'towing the RSS line' is limited to Team India men's cricket only or does it encompass Womens cricket as well as the U-19 teams and the 'A teams'

- Please also explain how 'towing the RSS line' is applicable in domestic cricket across formats, genders and age groups
Await your ilm ke explosions

A country which has a cricket board chief who is a son of the BJP (RSS) Interior Minister; and a team, which has a head coach who supports BJP/RSS and was actually a politician of the same party...neither the country nor the team can be toeing the BJP/RSS line

the reason that they would not be toeing the line of BJP/RSS is because they have no history of polluting other institutions of the country with their extremist ideology.

For example, they never polluted the media and targeted the independent journalists (made them lose their jobs). Actually acquired an entire channel (NDTV) to shut up Ravish Kumar

never polluted the film industry with the propaganda films, targeting the minorities. Never gave tax exemptions to such propaganda movies

never recruited and promoted judges out of turn due to ideological alignments

never imprisoned 70 to 80 year old intellectuals who criticized Modi. one senior intellectual was found dead in his pool of urine, under custody

so no there is absolutely no chance that in cricket, the BJP appointed people will toe BJP/RSS line

The fact that Sarfaraz Khan is not even recruited for India's Team A after having lost 17 kgs of weight and having one of the highest first class averages in the country is by pure chance. He was not even given the practice time in the nets (confirmed by Indian sports journalists) on foreign tours of the past when he was travelling with the team; for some undisclosed perfectly understanding reasons. You know why? Because there is already a Muslim in the Indian team - Siraj. There are a few Muslim politicians in BJP too.

The BJP does not have anything to do with the anti-Muslim politics. Nothing whatsoever.

 

[Savak]

If they are being stubborn, they should be forced out. They are unnecessarily hogging a spot for the Indian youngsters who are ready to take their spots. Taking a 40 year and a 38 year old to South Africa for the ODI WC is a bridge too far. I know these two desperately want the ODI WC on their resume, Kohli already has it but they cannot get everything they want in life.

 

[sweep_shot]

They should retire. Their era is over.

 

[charlie007]

It should be performance based going on from here - if they continue to do well they play otherwise they don’t

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The fact that Sarfaraz Khan is not even recruited for India's Team A after having lost 17 kgs of weight and having one of the highest first class averages in the country is by pure chance. He was not even given the practice time in the nets (confirmed by Indian sports journalists) on foreign tours of the past when he was travelling with the team; for some undisclosed perfectly understanding reasons. You know why? Because there is already a Muslim in the Indian team - Siraj. There are a few Muslim politicians in BJP too.

Hogwash.

In the 23 wc our pace trio had two Muslims and One Sikh, lol. There is no such cap on Muslim players.

The reason why Khan is not selected is that he leaked a dressing room secret during BGT last year which irked Gambhir and since then Khan has not been selected. Its more about Gambhirs rules and ego rather than his religion.

Had a chuckle when I read that RSS wants only one Muslim players,lol.

 

[BouncerGuy]

GUYS, PLEASE DO NOT MAKE IT AN RSS AND BJP THREAD

STAY ON TOPIC

 

[sithb]

Also stop making it a religion topic. Siraj is a permanent fixture in the Indian team. Shami would have been too was it not for his unfortunate injury.

There are other cricketers in India who would be picked if their performances warranted so.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Religion isn't a issue here, Sarfaraz made a mistake by leaking dressing room's plans to Aussie media. Gambhir with his inflated ego now will make sure Sarfaraz doesn't get selected in any of India teams until he is the coach.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Even Ishan Kishan was sidelined by the Indian team management for his behaviour after being benched for couple of test matches. The decision to move on from Kishan was taken by Dravid & the current coach Gambhir seems to have followed the policy of not selecting Kishan.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

A country which has a cricket board chief who is a son of the BJP (RSS) Interior Minister; and a team, which has a head coach who supports BJP/RSS and was actually a politician of the same party...neither the country nor the team can be toeing the BJP/RSS line

the reason that they would not be toeing the line of BJP/RSS is because they have no history of polluting other institutions of the country with their extremist ideology.

For example, they never polluted the media and targeted the independent journalists (made them lose their jobs). Actually acquired an entire channel (NDTV) to shut up Ravish Kumar

never polluted the film industry with the propaganda films, targeting the minorities. Never gave tax exemptions to such propaganda movies

never recruited and promoted judges out of turn due to ideological alignments

never imprisoned 70 to 80 year old intellectuals who criticized Modi. one senior intellectual was found dead in his pool of urine, under custody

so no there is absolutely no chance that in cricket, the BJP appointed people will toe BJP/RSS line

The fact that Sarfaraz Khan is not even recruited for India's Team A after having lost 17 kgs of weight and having one of the highest first class averages in the country is by pure chance. He was not even given the practice time in the nets (confirmed by Indian sports journalists) on foreign tours of the past when he was travelling with the team; for some undisclosed perfectly understanding reasons. You know why? Because there is already a Muslim in the Indian team - Siraj. There are a few Muslim politicians in BJP too.

The BJP does not have anything to do with the anti-Muslim politics. Nothing whatsoever.

lollllzzzz....

Fanstastic display of absolute cherry picking and selective data points with describing Rubbish Kumar as an 'independant journalist' being your diamond high and sadly the same old ghisa peeta victim card saazish narrative that your lot have absolute mastery of, worldwide, a la senator joe McCarthy who saw 'commies in every bush'

Acquiring an entire channel to shut up rubbish kumar lol...would'nt it be easier to pay off the channel owners ...or maybe this was also a normal business acquisition or a merger that happens day in and out, but sadly that is lost when one has the same familiar agenda.

Re film industry 'targeting the minorities' once again cherry picking because what has happened in the very recent pastover the history of indian cinema and who were favoured and who were always shown in negative light and also the gangsta element of it, wont fit in your narrative.

Any ways, i do not comment on the time pass or other sections of PP for non cricketign matters, i do not visit those sections, i am only here for the sport we both love and cherish and will restrict my comments to this only.

I agree Sarfrz should be considered and given a chance, and am sure his turn will come, so will mo shami - but there is no evidence of him (sarfraz) not selected becoz of what he follows, and if that was the case why was he selected in the first place in the test team and why did he play vs Nz and in team in the BGT down under?
What about Khalil Ahmad who is in the team, what about mo siraj who is the constant in odi's and tests and can be considered for t20's , Didnt Mo shami play in the CT ,and surely will be around for tests, Avesh khan who was around till recently, umraan malik - another guy who was in the mix till recent, and basically all those named above can surely make the team again - if their performances warrant and they fit in the combo. ...

Basically, you have hinted at a quota like system which SAF has, and used the muslim card on this.

This is my last post on such a topic, do'nt see any positive in dignifying any such, with a response.

 

[Katwalindian]

Is my statement correct or not? 25 out of 51 have come against bottom dwelling teams. Telling stat.

Kohli failed in 4 most important odis he played...2015 semi final vs aussies, 2017 CT final vs Pak, 2019 sf vs NZ, 2023 final vs Aussies...

 

[The Bald Eagle]

You missed WTC final 2021 and his criminal innings in T20 semifinal 2022

Kohli failed in 4 most important odis he played...2015 semi final vs aussies, 2017 CT final vs Pak, 2019 sf vs NZ, 2023 final vs Aussies...

 

[Katwalindian]

I was talking about odis....in t20s he still had some great innings....

You missed WTC final 2021 and his criminal innings in T20 semifinal 2022

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Kohli failed in 4 most important odis he played...2015 semi final vs aussies, 2017 CT final vs Pak, 2019 sf vs NZ, 2023 final vs Aussies...

Kholi is a known choker in big matches. He and Rohit are desperately clinging on to fluke 2027 WC but it will end in tears. All those years and nothing to show for except 1 WC for Kholi that he played no part in in 2011.

 

[Katwalindian]

You missed WTC final 2021 and his criminal innings in T20 semifinal 2022

Kholi is a known choker in big matches. He and Rohit are desperately clinging on to fluke 2027 WC but it will end in tears. All those years and nothing to show for except 1 WC for Kholi that he played no part in in 2011.

That 2022 t20 wc pakistan innings gives him Aura and saved his career for longer....

 

[light]

It's no secret that they want to play till the 2027 WC. And I for one am ok with it. Rohit somehow brings his a game for ICC tournaments and Virat somehow wins those games that looks like we may not win it. Also, experience matters too.

But I also do believe they will fail in the WC, lol.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Still they were the best batters in all those world cups..
All the youngsters like Gill, Pandya, kl Rahul, pant couldn't even make half of their runs
In 50 over format show me one youngster having better avg, strike rate or match winning innings.. any single statistic better than them

Rohit and Kohli are still way ahead of most current players. If KL, Iyer, and Gill get to play, there is no reason Rohit and Kohli shouldn’t.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Out of curiosity I checked Kholi's record in ODIs. Out of his 51 100s, 25 have come against Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe. @saimayubera @The Bald Eagle

This is why you need to check the rankings and team performance before copying the stats. Sri Lanka were a top side when Kohli scored most of his hundreds against them, they were consistently reaching tournament finals and even winning titles during that period. Kohli smashed a peak Malinga.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Rohit and Kohli are still way ahead of most current players. If KL, Iyer, and Gill get to play, there is no reason Rohit and Kohli shouldn’t.

Gill is not a big match player, and by appointing him captain...GG has just applied unnecessary pressure on him

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Gill is not a big match player, and by appointing him captain...GG has just applied unnecessary pressure on him

BCCI has been looking for a new poster boy after Sachin and Kohli, someone to carry the brand and star appeal forward.
Gambhir wants to project him strongly to sideline the seniors.
Gill is the perfect pick for both sides

Gill has been elevated more than he deserved at this early stage. Time will tell whether he can actually reach that level, but he definitely has the potential. Let’s see how he fares.