Is it possible that Pakistan is suffering from an excess of talent?

[Nikhil_cric]

If you actually think about it, other teams don't suffer from this issue at all. Let's consider pace bowling talents. Take New Zealand domestic cricket, for example. The only obvious and potentially world-class young fast bowler is Will O'Rourke. The only white-ball batter ready to play both white-ball formats is Finn Allen, and there isn't even a close second.

New Zealand Cricket has limited choices, so they are forced to back and provide all kinds of support to these few players to get them ready for international cricket.

Similarly, in the current Duleep Trophy, Harshit Rana is the only truly young quick who is both pacy and effective. The rest of the high-pace bowlers are either rehabbing or haven't been selected at all.

Australia, too, has to rely on Boland because Jhye and Stanlake are barely available.

Now, look at Pakistan over the last 4-5 years: Naseem, Shaheen, Hasnain, Rauf, Dahani, Musa, Akif, Ihsanullah, Mo. Wasim Jnr., Arshad Iqbal, Mohammad Zeeshan, Ubaid Shah, and a few other 145 kph bowlers I can't remember right now.

It is possible that the Pakistan Cricket Board can't provide all of them the support and monitoring they need at this level to take them to the next step.

There is no clarity regarding the pecking order and prepping them for the grand stage. So, is excessive talent one of the bottlenecks that Pakistan cricket needs to overcome?

Discuss

 

[charlie007]

This attack makes legs wobble!! Bangladeshis were lucky that Shaheen and Hasnain didn’t play otherwise it was a 10-fer on the cards in the second Test.

 

[Professionalismandflair]

No it’s not an excess of anything other than greed and egos.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This attack makes legs wobble!! Bangladeshis were lucky that Shaheen and Hasnain didn’t play otherwise it was a 10-fer on the cards in the second Test.

Hasnain is a very physically gifted athlete. Generates easy pace and bounce.

Even in our personal lives, we find that we make optimum decisions when presented with limited choices

PAK have produced around 20 (I think ) high pace bowlers in the last 5 years.
It must be a right nightmare to pick the best of the lot.

 

[charlie007]

Hasnain is a very physically gifted athlete. Generates easy pace and bounce.

Even in our personal lives, we find that we make optimum decisions when presented with limited choices

PAK have produced around 20 (I think ) high pace bowlers in the last 5 years.
It must be a right nightmare to pick the best of the lot.

Of course, I have the highest regard for this attack. It’s a really tough choice to make when the talent like this continues to ooze out from every nook and corner.

 

[mominsaigol]

If you actually think about it, other teams don't suffer from this issue at all. Let's consider pace bowling talents. Take New Zealand domestic cricket, for example. The only obvious and potentially world-class young fast bowler is Will O'Rourke. The only white-ball batter ready to play both white-ball formats is Finn Allen, and there isn't even a close second.

New Zealand Cricket has limited choices, so they are forced to back and provide all kinds of support to these few players to get them ready for international cricket.

Similarly, in the current Duleep Trophy, Harshit Rana is the only truly young quick who is both pacy and effective. The rest of the high-pace bowlers are either rehabbing or haven't been selected at all.

Australia, too, has to rely on Boland because Jhye and Stanlake are barely available.

Now, look at Pakistan over the last 4-5 years: Naseem, Shaheen, Hasnain, Rauf, Dahani, Musa, Akif, Ihsanullah, Mo. Wasim Jnr., Arshad Iqbal, Mohammad Zeeshan, Ubaid Shah, and a few other 145 kph bowlers I can't remember right now.

It is possible that the Pakistan Cricket Board can't provide all of them the support and monitoring they need at this level to take them to the next step.

There is no clarity regarding the pecking order and prepping them for the grand stage. So, is excessive talent one of the bottlenecks that Pakistan cricket needs to overcome?

Discuss

Pakistan will always an excess of talent because their a 200M + population and by 2046 they'll surpass USA.

Problem is the talent themselves don't really care. The system.promotes no competition just a bootlicking contest to get in the team.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

it’s not the pace bowlers that are losing us games.

There’s no balance in the team, due to the lack of quality spinners, we have to rely on bits and pieces players, apart from Amir Jamal, there’s no other decent all rounder for Pakistan in test cricket.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

it’s not the pace bowlers that are losing us games.

There’s no balance in the team, due to the lack of quality spinners, we have to rely on bits and pieces players, apart from Amir Jamal, there’s no other decent all rounder for Pakistan in test cricket.

I used pace bowlers only as an example. Applicable to batters and spinners also.

 

[Vikram1989]

@Nikhil_cric this is innovative trolling mate. Pcb will be embarrassed after seeing this thread.Even one bowler was not able to bowl accurate 10 overs in last odi wc ( naseem may have bowled good 7 or 8 overs at max and rest will be garbage).pak team plays same team again and again irrespective of opposition and format , so where is the confusion of excessive talent management?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

@Nikhil_cric this is innovative trolling mate. Pcb will be embarrassed after seeing this thread.Even one bowler was not able to bowl accurate 10 overs in last odi wc ( naseem may have bowled good 7 or 8 overs at max and rest will be garbage).pak team plays same team again and again irrespective of opposition and format , so where is the confusion of excessive talent management?

And that maybe an issue. While Naseem and Shaheen may get the best help in their development but there are so many guys who needs that level of detailed attention that PCB mst have found it difficult to look after someone like Akif for example

 

[mon858]

do you really like to rub salt and spice on wounds?

 

[Vikram1989]

And that maybe an issue. While Naseem and Shaheen may get the best help in their development but there are so many guys who needs that level of detailed attention that PCB mst have found it difficult to look after someone like Akif for example

Leave pacers aside ,what about others.i don't see a player who actually improved when compared to previous year. All have degraded quite a bit.There is no common sense and objective in first place

 

[ads101]

Problem we don't maximise the talent however limited or in excess.

I remember a new zealand senior player (might have been captain) 10 years ago I believe. He said something along the lines that we New Zealand realise we lack talent, so we try a bit harder to make it up with fielding and effort. Wish I knew the exact quote. I can really respect that.

Never heard anyone in Pakistan cricket really enforce that mentality. It's usually just we're not talented enough. Run through domestic until we find more talented players. And I think New Zealand's mentality works well for them, with how low a population they have, they constantly punch way above their weight. And while their talent varies, you can always count on their players to be fit and good in the field, it's part of their identity.

I think it's also why sometimes you just see some players in New Zealand just carry on playing. They're not amazing, nor bad either. But New Zealand knows they don't have the talent pool to just keep going through, recycling players. Southee felt like that for a bit, talented player, but it took quite a few years for him to really become consistently good, yet they never really lost faith in him.

Also why I think our biggest problem is fitness (and fielding which gets better with good fitness). It's not more important that batting and bowling skill. However it's the easiest thing to fix regardless of what talent you have. It is also more consistent per game. You can have a bad day and get out for zero and not take wickets. But with good fitness you can always ensure you put on a better fielding display, maximise running between wickets, bowl your full spell at max effort/speed.

Control the things you can control. Rather than just living in hope that somehow banking on new talent appearing and rescuing us.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

They're doing well to hide it!

 

[RidiculousMan]

If you actually think about it, other teams don't suffer from this issue at all. Let's consider pace bowling talents. Take New Zealand domestic cricket, for example. The only obvious and potentially world-class young fast bowler is Will O'Rourke. The only white-ball batter ready to play both white-ball formats is Finn Allen, and there isn't even a close second.

New Zealand Cricket has limited choices, so they are forced to back and provide all kinds of support to these few players to get them ready for international cricket.

Similarly, in the current Duleep Trophy, Harshit Rana is the only truly young quick who is both pacy and effective. The rest of the high-pace bowlers are either rehabbing or haven't been selected at all.

Australia, too, has to rely on Boland because Jhye and Stanlake are barely available.

Now, look at Pakistan over the last 4-5 years: Naseem, Shaheen, Hasnain, Rauf, Dahani, Musa, Akif, Ihsanullah, Mo. Wasim Jnr., Arshad Iqbal, Mohammad Zeeshan, Ubaid Shah, and a few other 145 kph bowlers I can't remember right now.

It is possible that the Pakistan Cricket Board can't provide all of them the support and monitoring they need at this level to take them to the next step.

There is no clarity regarding the pecking order and prepping them for the grand stage. So, is excessive talent one of the bottlenecks that Pakistan cricket needs to overcome?

Discuss

Look. There is no shortage of talent. Specially of fast bowlers in Pakistan. You saw it in the last U19 world cup too. Ubaid Shah, Mohammad Zeeshan, Ali Raza, etc. All capable bowlers and quick than other teams.

Problem is that there is no working pathway on merit that take cares of these young boys and polish them into diamonds. That's why in the recent past. Pace bowlers play for a couple years for Pakistan and then fade away.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Is it a sarcastic thread? They literally imported usman khan to play for Pakistan.

 

[Mockingbird]

Hasnain is a very physically gifted athlete. Generates easy pace and bounce.

Even in our personal lives, we find that we make optimum decisions when presented with limited choices

PAK have produced around 20 (I think ) high pace bowlers in the last 5 years.
It must be a right nightmare to pick the best of the lot.

Problem with Pakistan is that most of these bowlers do well in domestics/ PSL and falter at the main stage. They may have speed but no control or consistency & even their speed drops when attacked. Pakistan might have these bowlers, but most aren’t international quality yet.

Similarly, we too have many such speedsters like Umran Malik, Mayank Yadav, but they will not get the limelight till they will get fully ready.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Is it a sarcastic thread? They literally imported usman khan to play for Pakistan.

Doesn't mean there are no players in Pakistan better than Usman. The thread'a reasoning still stands logical.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Look. There is no shortage of talent. Specially of fast bowlers in Pakistan. You saw it in the last U19 world cup too. Ubaid Shah, Mohammad Zeeshan, Ali Raza, etc. All capable bowlers and quick than other teams.

Problem is that there is no working pathway on merit that take cares of these young boys and polish them into diamonds. That's why in the recent past. Pace bowlers play for a couple years for Pakistan and then fade away.

I agree. Pakistani fans and board got used to having it very easy compared to the other teams.

When you are spoilt for choice, you end up under delivering.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Problem with Pakistan is that most of these bowlers do well in domestics/ PSL and falter at the main stage. They may have speed but no control or consistency & even their speed drops when attacked. Pakistan might have these bowlers, but most aren’t international quality yet.

Similarly, we too have many such speedsters like Umran Malik, Mayank Yadav, but they will not get the limelight till they will get fully ready.

I agree . And to add to the problem ,these guys are ridiculously thick. Onus is on PCB to ensure they are given baby steps to process and progress as cricketers.

But since they are so talented , everyone simply assumes that they are going to cut it at the big stage.

 

[Buffet]

Not sure if OP is serious with this thread.

 

[Savak]

PCB needs to eliminate the push to T20 Cricket for these players. We need all these players engaged in Domestic ODI and 4-5 day cricket.

Hopefully the Champions T20, ODI and 4 day tournaments will help resolve this issue as this Champions format will take in the best players from the Quaid e Azam, Presidents Cup 4 day, ODI, T20 tournaments, U19 tournaments and each team will be given 30-35 players and all these players will become the responsibility of these teams, their coaching staff, the high profile mentors. These mentors are going to be the Director of Cricket for their teams.

The players who do well in the Champions tournaments will be the ones who will be in reckoning for the PSL, National team, U19 and Shaheens.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Doesn't mean there are no players in Pakistan better than Usman. The thread'a reasoning still stands logical.

If there is enough talent, guys like Amir and imad would not even be considered let alone selected. Shoaib Malik won't still be hoping to find a spot. A guy who made debut 6 years before MSD.

 

[mominsaigol]

Look. There is no shortage of talent. Specially of fast bowlers in Pakistan. You saw it in the last U19 world cup too. Ubaid Shah, Mohammad Zeeshan, Ali Raza, etc. All capable bowlers and quick than other teams.

Problem is that there is no working pathway on merit that take cares of these young boys and polish them into diamonds. That's why in the recent past. Pace bowlers play for a couple years for Pakistan and then fade away.

One solution would be to decrease the lifespan of bowlers.

Shaheen was gun from 2019 to 2022, hence maybe it's time to move on and work on the Under 19 crop.

And then after 4 years we move on.

It isn't ideal but it ensures bowling is safe, since pacy bowlers can have their line and length worked on, but line and length bowlers like Ali but with zero pace can't even get nicks.

I think people should come to terms that a decade long pacer ain't gonna show up again.

Pak vs Bangladesh test was a perfect example as to why pacers will usually succeed. Rana is raw as heck, but through pace alone he's killing it. If you fix his line and length which I'm sure he'll be motivated to work with bowling coaches them he can comfortably challenge top teams like India, Australia, England.

 

[RidiculousMan]

One solution would be to decrease the lifespan of bowlers.

Shaheen was gun from 2019 to 2022, hence maybe it's time to move on and work on the Under 19 crop.

And then after 4 years we move on.

It isn't ideal but it ensures bowling is safe, since pacy bowlers can have their line and length worked on, but line and length bowlers like Ali but with zero pace can't even get nicks.

I think people should come to terms that a decade long pacer ain't gonna show up again.

Pak vs Bangladesh test was a perfect example as to why pacers will usually succeed. Rana is raw as heck, but through pace alone he's killing it. If you fix his line and length which I'm sure he'll be motivated to work with bowling coaches them he can comfortably challenge top teams like India, Australia, England.

It doesn't work like this. It is contrary to logic, effort and resources to make a bowler and then purposefully kill after every 3 years. Australia's Trio is a great example of longevity. Even in Pakistan's past guys like Wasim and Waqar were made legends and served Pakistan well because of their longevity.

You can't use Pace bowlers like tissue papers and throw them away just because new talent is still coming (which could stop, who knows). Ironically this has been happening already in Pakistan because of the treatment of pace bowlers and the system in place right now or lack thereof, which makes it difficult for pacers to sustain. Particularly if they get injured.

 

[mominsaigol]

It doesn't work like this. It is contrary to logic, effort and resources to make a bowler and then purposefully kill after every 3 years. Australia's Trio is a great example of longevity. Even in Pakistan's past guys like Wasim and Waqar were made legends and served Pakistan well because of their longevity.

You can't use Pace bowlers like tissue papers and throw them away just because new talent is still coming (which could stop, who knows). Ironically this has been happening already in Pakistan because of the treatment of pace bowlers and the system in place right now or lack thereof, which makes it difficult for pacers to sustain. Particularly if they get injured.

It will work bro, whoever stays will stay. Obviously you don't jump dump them put of the blue.

But if they become dead weight then bye bye.

Carrying hasan ali in 2021 cost pakistan badly.

 

[Shaka81]

In other countries the elite climb to the top after beating off intense competition to get there. In Pakistan mediocrity uses their connections to get into teams and stay there while forcing all competitors to quit or move away. There definitely isn't an "excess of talent" anywhere near the top levels of cricket in Pakistan whether players, coaches or administrators.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Is it a sarcastic thread? They literally imported usman khan to play for Pakistan.

Usman Khan is a Pakistani to begin with, he was born in Karachi. He was only with UAE team because he found no opportunity in team Pakistan (kind of like Imran Tahir), once he got an offer he came running back. Imad was born in England and is a British citizen by birth but a Pakistani by decent.
England on the other hand has the most players borrowed from other Countries like New Zealand, South Africa, Ireland and Pakistani / Indian expats.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Pakistan is suffering from corruption, nepotism and basically lack of merit rather than talent.

Let me give you an example, 2 years back a young fast bowler was unearthed and shot to stardom in PSL (Ihsanullah). This lad hardly played for Pakistan before getting injured and then our medical staff ruined his career. Literally the guy got diagnosed but got operated on a different issue. This is what happens with lack of merit in our staffing. Our medical staff have been involved in numerous blunders over the years most notably Ihsanullah but also mismanaging Shaheen, Fakhar and Naseem literally Shaheen broke down during semi final of the world cup due to mismanagement.

Yet our fans don't call them out. Our arguments are largely around the players only. If we take a hollistic view the management is more responsible for our current performances. Some issues currently eating up Pakistan cricket are management and staff driven rather than players.
1. Infighting / politics in the team
2. Incorrect medical diagnosis resulting in prolonged injuries or creating new injuries

I bet most people on here would not even know who is the medical support staff with the team. Any more so none would know if they were held accountable for their blunders. This is the problem eating Pakistan cricket more than talent.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

But how many of them are fit. Majority of them have fitness issues and their rehab often leaves with less pace. They comeback as lesser versions of themselves. Pakistan looses most of it's talent due to lack of fitness. Professional fitness training is required to groom & preserve this talent.

 

[Farabi]

If you actually think about it, other teams don't suffer from this issue at all. Let's consider pace bowling talents. Take New Zealand domestic cricket, for example. The only obvious and potentially world-class young fast bowler is Will O'Rourke. The only white-ball batter ready to play both white-ball formats is Finn Allen, and there isn't even a close second.

New Zealand Cricket has limited choices, so they are forced to back and provide all kinds of support to these few players to get them ready for international cricket.

Similarly, in the current Duleep Trophy, Harshit Rana is the only truly young quick who is both pacy and effective. The rest of the high-pace bowlers are either rehabbing or haven't been selected at all.

Australia, too, has to rely on Boland because Jhye and Stanlake are barely available.

Now, look at Pakistan over the last 4-5 years: Naseem, Shaheen, Hasnain, Rauf, Dahani, Musa, Akif, Ihsanullah, Mo. Wasim Jnr., Arshad Iqbal, Mohammad Zeeshan, Ubaid Shah, and a few other 145 kph bowlers I can't remember right now.

It is possible that the Pakistan Cricket Board can't provide all of them the support and monitoring they need at this level to take them to the next step.

There is no clarity regarding the pecking order and prepping them for the grand stage. So, is excessive talent one of the bottlenecks that Pakistan cricket needs to overcome?

Discuss

Yes and no. Simply having raw pace doesn't necessarily equate to "talent."

First, there is a clear lack of batting talent. Muddasar Nazar, whom I deeply respect, has consistently pointed this out. Pakistani U19 batters appear under-skilled compared to their counterparts from India and, more recently, Bangladesh in age-group cricket.

In bowling, more players may be noticed for their raw pace, but many have biomechanical issues that weren’t addressed during age-group development. As a result, they tend to be inaccurate and prone to injuries. When their actions are corrected, they often lose their pace.

There is some truth to injury mismanagement, but the issue is less about the quantity of talent and more about the lack of qualified personnel and processes to handle injuries properly.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Usman Khan is a Pakistani to begin with, he was born in Karachi. He was only with UAE team because he found no opportunity in team Pakistan (kind of like Imran Tahir), once he got an offer he came running back. Imad was born in England and is a British citizen by birth but a Pakistani by decent.
England on the other hand has the most players borrowed from other Countries like New Zealand, South Africa, Ireland and Pakistani / Indian expats.

Point is if you have enough competition in domestic you won't be needing a guy who left Pakistan to play for another country.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If you actually think about it, other teams don't suffer from this issue at all. Let's consider pace bowling talents. Take New Zealand domestic cricket, for example. The only obvious and potentially world-class young fast bowler is Will O'Rourke. The only white-ball batter ready to play both white-ball formats is Finn Allen, and there isn't even a close second.

New Zealand Cricket has limited choices, so they are forced to back and provide all kinds of support to these few players to get them ready for international cricket.

Similarly, in the current Duleep Trophy, Harshit Rana is the only truly young quick who is both pacy and effective. The rest of the high-pace bowlers are either rehabbing or haven't been selected at all.

Australia, too, has to rely on Boland because Jhye and Stanlake are barely available.

Now, look at Pakistan over the last 4-5 years: Naseem, Shaheen, Hasnain, Rauf, Dahani, Musa, Akif, Ihsanullah, Mo. Wasim Jnr., Arshad Iqbal, Mohammad Zeeshan, Ubaid Shah, and a few other 145 kph bowlers I can't remember right now.

It is possible that the Pakistan Cricket Board can't provide all of them the support and monitoring they need at this level to take them to the next step.

There is no clarity regarding the pecking order and prepping them for the grand stage. So, is excessive talent one of the bottlenecks that Pakistan cricket needs to overcome?

Discuss

You didn't take into account the untapped talent that exists outside the system.

We have villagers capable of bowling 160kmph but the PCB doesn't tap into this.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

You didn't take into account the untapped talent that exists outside the system.

We have villagers capable of bowling 160kmph but the PCB doesn't tap into this.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit . Jazba, Daleri , gundagardi is found in abundance amongst PAK villagers.

 

[Hikaru]

Pakistan is a talented kaum in general, and what sets their players apart isn't just raw pace and talent

A sleeping giant I hope stays sleeping for Bhartiya Cricket's sake.

 

[chinaman00]

Premise of the thread will hold weight if we also agree that madmen are insane because they hold excess intelligence.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Problem with Pakistan is that most of these bowlers do well in domestics/ PSL and falter at the main stage. They may have speed but no control or consistency & even their speed drops when attacked. Pakistan might have these bowlers, but most aren’t international quality yet.

Similarly, we too have many such speedsters like Umran Malik, Mayank Yadav, but they will not get the limelight till they will get fully ready.

The main topic of this thread apart, as an indian - we are wasting the prime years of umraan who should be drafted in straight away before he becomes a 125kmph trundler in his 30's...

 

[followed]

In previous 2023 world cup Pakistani bowlers bowled the most 140ks and above deliveries. In terms of bowling fast they are doing better than other countries certainly in white ball cricket.

In 2024 T20 world cup they were I think once again were no. 1 in terms of bowling 140ks and above.

In 2022 and 2021 world they were for sure we're the fastest.

Bowling fast is not a concern certainly not in white ball cricket.

Even at one point Naseem was actually the fastest bowler on average in tests.

 

[Punjab Kings]

If you actually think about it, other teams don't suffer from this issue at all. Let's consider pace bowling talents. Take New Zealand domestic cricket, for example. The only obvious and potentially world-class young fast bowler is Will O'Rourke. The only white-ball batter ready to play both white-ball formats is Finn Allen, and there isn't even a close second.

New Zealand Cricket has limited choices, so they are forced to back and provide all kinds of support to these few players to get them ready for international cricket.

Similarly, in the current Duleep Trophy, Harshit Rana is the only truly young quick who is both pacy and effective. The rest of the high-pace bowlers are either rehabbing or haven't been selected at all.

Australia, too, has to rely on Boland because Jhye and Stanlake are barely available.

Now, look at Pakistan over the last 4-5 years: Naseem, Shaheen, Hasnain, Rauf, Dahani, Musa, Akif, Ihsanullah, Mo. Wasim Jnr., Arshad Iqbal, Mohammad Zeeshan, Ubaid Shah, and a few other 145 kph bowlers I can't remember right now.

It is possible that the Pakistan Cricket Board can't provide all of them the support and monitoring they need at this level to take them to the next step.

There is no clarity regarding the pecking order and prepping them for the grand stage. So, is excessive talent one of the bottlenecks that Pakistan cricket needs to overcome?

Discuss

Corruption and greed for power

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Lol I know this is a troll thread and all and Indians suffer from inferior complex in terms of bowling fast. LOL. but if you talk about facts.

In previous 2023 world cup Pakistani bowlers bowled the most 140ks and above deliveries. In terms of bowling fast they are doing better than other countries certainly in white ball cricket.

In 2024 T20 world cup they were I think once again were no. 1 in terms of bowling 140ks and above.

In 2022 and 2021 world they were for sure we're the fastest.

Bowling fast is not a concern certainly not in white ball cricket.

Even at one point Naseem was actually the fastest bowler on average in tests.

Troll thread or not- sure provides the entertainment value
but good facts generated & posted about bowling phaast in the WC's gone by.

 

[Mesozoic]

Lol I know this is a troll thread and all and Indians suffer from inferior complex in terms of bowling fast. LOL. but if you talk about facts

Yeah we do suffer from "inferior complex" towards Pakistani phassht bowlers.

I mean who cares about World cup wins and NOT getting clean swept at home by a bottom ranked team? All that matters is hurling the ball at an arbitrary speed and we can't even do that.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Excess of talent or not, but Pakistan do have talent but they are either too poor to afford this sport because they won't be getting much sponsors etc or either they don't have a parchi.

 

[Vikram1989]

All that matters is hurling the ball at an arbitrary speed and

watching it to go in to orbit above the head

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Corruption and greed for power

That exists in India too.

 

[Punjab Kings]

That exists in India too.

Greed for power..in pakistan every player wants to be captain of team regardless of their performances....
Corruption.... player selection based on likes and dislikes,and may be by offering money

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

If you actually think about it, other teams don't suffer from this issue at all. Let's consider pace bowling talents. Take New Zealand domestic cricket, for example. The only obvious and potentially world-class young fast bowler is Will O'Rourke. The only white-ball batter ready to play both white-ball formats is Finn Allen, and there isn't even a close second.

New Zealand Cricket has limited choices, so they are forced to back and provide all kinds of support to these few players to get them ready for international cricket.

Similarly, in the current Duleep Trophy, Harshit Rana is the only truly young quick who is both pacy and effective. The rest of the high-pace bowlers are either rehabbing or haven't been selected at all.

Australia, too, has to rely on Boland because Jhye and Stanlake are barely available.

Now, look at Pakistan over the last 4-5 years: Naseem, Shaheen, Hasnain, Rauf, Dahani, Musa, Akif, Ihsanullah, Mo. Wasim Jnr., Arshad Iqbal, Mohammad Zeeshan, Ubaid Shah, and a few other 145 kph bowlers I can't remember right now.

It is possible that the Pakistan Cricket Board can't provide all of them the support and monitoring they need at this level to take them to the next step.

There is no clarity regarding the pecking order and prepping them for the grand stage. So, is excessive talent one of the bottlenecks that Pakistan cricket needs to overcome?

Discuss

Ah yes, the age-old problem: too much talent. What a nightmare for Pakistan! While other countries are scraping the bottom of the barrel, hoping Boland can stay healthy or New Zealand's lone Boult doesn’t get injured, Pakistan is drowning in 145 kph bowlers. Poor PCB, so many options they can’t even figure out who to prioritize. Who needs player development or structured systems when your biggest challenge is sorting through a sea of fast-bowling prodigies? Truly, a crisis only the overly gifted would understand.

 

[ghalib kichlu]

Lack of education in Pakistan recently declared national emergency
Inflation if humongous in Pakistan currently so much that people are protesting petrol prices daily
Political instability with imran khan wanting to be Oxford president
Job opportunities are so few in Pakistan that most people are working in poor conditions in the gulf and sending back whatever that's left over
Pakistani players haven't played alot at home and cannot take part in many foreign leagues either
Cannot really compare with Brazilian or African footballers as they are picked early, trained and have their whole family relocated and paid millions to play abroad

As for new zealand , they are like the Qatar of the West, small country with lots of benefits

 

[Cricket Warrior]

It’s more like a power show...whoever has more friends gets the captaincy and everyone including the management bows down to them. Nobody really cares testing out any talent.

 

[gazza619]

I don’t like to use the word talent. Of course there will always be talent.

Thanks to our beloved protectors though, we have mentally regressed as a nation and this generation has simply given up and does not have courage or confidence.

 

[mominsaigol]

I don’t like to use the word talent. Of course there will always be talent.

Thanks to our beloved protectors though, we have mentally regressed as a nation and this generation has simply given up and does not have courage or confidence.

Beloved protectors?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pakistan is not short of talent. This is not an excuse. Grooming, proper chances in their strong formats, instability in PCB are some of the main factors that should be discussed.