Is it time for Pakistan to utilize supercharged aggressive diplomacy against India?

[hks222]

We've already seen how Jaishankar sounds like some cool indian troll with self-proclaimed righteousness instead of a diplomat.

I think it is about time to have someone who is proactive, articulative and assertive in their communication. Maybe someone like Najam Sethi sounds just perfect for the job.

Probably these are some of the points we can take up:

1. At every forum, voice out India as a state sponsoring terrorism with Ajit Doval (Current NSA) voicing about his strategy to use proxy war in Balochistan.

2. Take all possible legal and diplomatic actions against India's role in balochistan. Including, possibility of dragging them to FATF.

3. Take legal actions on international forums against Indian media for defaming Pakistan and spreading fake news. India has factory of fake news, starting from involvement of Pakistan in Pehalgam to "Lahore" being destroyed by India (maybe indians have named their backyards as Lahore). This will also help Pakistan hit indian media corporates financially.

4. Whenever there is an attack in Balochistan/KP. Engage all international media, have active PR to name and shame India for their involvement with Baloch terrorism.

5. Expose india's lies openly. For example, their official MEA (not some random media group) showed pictures of Pakistan Army at a funeral. They actually presented a random "Mufti" as US classified terrorist. We should bring this and every other indian state's lies to name and shame them ruthlessly. Actually - we should rather troll them head to head at any communication

6. Boycott all ties with India, and prioritize give trade/economic relationship to countries with which India has strong trade volume/relationship

I would even, go on and ban indian trolls and BJP goons who were trolling on death of people in Jaffar Express at this very forum. They would surely have more of their lies to feed and be happy on a blue forum, rather than the green one.

India is a rogue state - they can bomb my house tomorrow in Lahore and claim "terrorists" were killed.

joke of a nation.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Agree to most of your points but Najam Sethi like character would just foil our own case... Munir Akram and other diplomats need to be proactive

 

[HalBass9]

Moeed Yusuf is another solid option.

And let’s not forget, during this conflict, Pakistan displayed real level headedness on social media. Pakistan shaped the narrative with clarity and composure.

It’s time Pakistan starts leveraging its sharpest social media voices, they’ve already proven more effective than half the official PR machinery.

 

[HalBass9]

Also, it’s great to see that the Butcher of Gujarat genuinely thought Pakistanis would be scared after getting bombed. Instead, we’ve become more active, louder, sharper, and relentless in dismantling India’s false narrative.

Not intimidated, energized.

 

[hks222]

Agree to most of your points but Najam Sethi like character would just foil our own case... Munir Akram and other diplomats need to be proactive

Najam Sethi is very articulative and usually good with his communication.

 

[hks222]

Also, it’s great to see that the Butcher of Gujarat genuinely thought Pakistanis would be scared after getting bombed. Instead, we’ve become more active, louder, sharper, and relentless in dismantling India’s false narrative.

Not intimidated, energized.

We need to name and shame their lies with pro-active communications, analysis and fact check.

All the BLA terrorists and the intrrviee of Ajit Doval should be displayed every day on social media, international media etc.

Also at state, as well as private capacity - we need to hire lobbying firms in the west to empower our narrative.

 

[Savak]

Why didn't Pakistan try to copy what Israel did in 1967, make a full fledged assault on Indian occupied Kashmir and anex it when they had the Indians by the balls? There is a reason why the Indians went begging to the US for a ceasefire

 

[hks222]

Moeed Yusuf is another solid option.

And let’s not forget, during this conflict, Pakistan displayed real level headedness on social media. Pakistan shaped the narrative with clarity and composure.

It’s time Pakistan starts leveraging its sharpest social media voices, they’ve already proven more effective than half the official PR machinery.

Moeed Yousaf is soft.

We need someone shrewd.

 

[sweep_shot]

Yes. I think Pakistan should go for aggressive diplomacy against India. Not just Pakistan but all countries in subcontinent should do that.

India currently have an extremist and psycho regime. You can't be soft with such an evil regime.

 

[hks222]

Why didn't Pakistan try to copy what Israel did in 1967, make a full fledged assault on Indian occupied Kashmir and anex it when they had the Indians by the balls? There is a reason why the Indians went begging to the US for a ceasefire

I actually feel Pakistan as a state has given up about any idea of "annexing" Kashmir long ago for a bunch of different reasons.

Nevertheless, our diplomatic and PR efforts on hitting india have been well below par.

About time we get someone more useful than Dar who might be a good accountant. But isn't fit to be a diplomat.

 

[hks222]

Yes. I think Pakistan should go for aggressive diplomacy against India. Not just Pakistan but all countries in subcontinent should do that.

India currently have an extremist and psycho regime. You can't be soft with such an evil regime.

Ishaq Dar had visited Afghanistan - which was a good move.

He was also on his eay to visit Dhaka before the skirmish.

 

[Pakpak]

For that you need good diplomats - we have none.
For that you also need an extremely powerful economy - we are bankrupt.

There's only so far the world will go. Yes right now they have not really backed India but their 'support' is just limited to oh look Pakistan shot down their planes. They've stayed neutral on Kashmir but that's about as a 'win' as we can take it. Noone is going to pressure an economic juggernaut like India on the behest of a bankrupt nation surviving on handouts. When you need diplomacy wins the other side asks you 'and what can you do for us?'. Our answer is usually a begging bowl.

What we CAN do is:
a) make an alliance of some sort with Bangladesh, having bases there would be an utterly dream move (unlikely)
b) improve things with Afghanistan - in progress
c) improve our economy - unlikely
d) have some political stability - we all know the answer to this

@Savak Because of the above factors being unlikely we will end up struggling. One of the biggest examples is our military action: we all knew what India was about to do. Any sane military power would have launched a devestating pre-emptive attack so the next time the other side thinks twice.

We did not. Either in 2019 or now.

The reason? We don't have the diplomatic clout to survive the aftermath. We'd get sanctioned to our eye balls. Hence we have to always wait for India to make a move, and this time it resulted in deaths and India faces no fall out from it. Militarily this will always take you so far, there will be a time where India won't be caught with their pants down and will cause serious damage in a first strike and won't make the same mistakes the last two times. We will end up being humiliated until we teach India a lesson by pre-emptive strikes which as I explained we don't have the diplomatic clout to do.

 

[Kriketer]

Certainly, Pakistan should drop missiles first and then talk, no other way to deal with these Hindutva aatankis. These Nazi Israeli wanabes thought they can just get away with dropping bombs on Pakistani civilians, gladly got the humiliation of a life time in modern era. Pakistan should have aimed to drop many more missiles on their militants with hundreds getting boxed instead of a few dozens we got this time.

Freedom Fighter of IOK will avenge innocent killed including children by these Hindutva terrorists, won't be surprised if we see more of Pulwamas in the near future, no peace with these lunatics. They have done a lot of terrorist bombings in Pakistan over last 3 decades, killed thousand of innocent civilians in markets, schools, mosques, church, rallies etc but Pakistan was civil enough to not to respond with dropping missiles on their population, unlike these lunatics, no peace with these war mongerers until unless they elect better leadership who genuinely want peace

 

[hks222]

For that you need good diplomats - we have none.
For that you also need an extremely powerful economy - we are bankrupt.

There's only so far the world will go. Yes right now they have not really backed India but their 'support' is just limited to oh look Pakistan shot down their planes. They've stayed neutral on Kashmir but that's about as a 'win' as we can take it. Noone is going to pressure an economic juggernaut like India on the behest of a bankrupt nation surviving on handouts. When you need diplomacy wins the other side asks you 'and what can you do for us?'. Our answer is usually a begging bowl.

What we CAN do is:
a) make an alliance of some sort with Bangladesh, having bases there would be an utterly dream move (unlikely)
b) improve things with Afghanistan - in progress
c) improve our economy - unlikely
d) have some political stability - we all know the answer to this

@Savak Because of the above factors being unlikely we will end up struggling. One of the biggest examples is our military action: we all knew what India was about to do. Any sane military power would have launched a devestating pre-emptive attack so the next time the other side thinks twice.

We did not. Either in 2019 or now.

The reason? We don't have the diplomatic clout to survive the aftermath. We'd get sanctioned to our eye balls. Hence we have to always wait for India to make a move, and this time it resulted in deaths and India faces no fall out from it. Militarily this will always take you so far, there will be a time where India won't be caught with their pants down and will cause serious damage in a first strike and won't make the same mistakes the last two times. We will end up being humiliated until we teach India a lesson by pre-emptive strikes which as I explained we don't have the diplomatic clout to do.

Economy will be better.

Young population is entering the working lot, and they have alot of hunger to work and do well for themselves.

We need more call centers and shared services.

 

[hks222]

Certainly, Pakistan should drop missiles first and then talk, no other way to deal with these Hindutva aatankis. These Nazi Israeli wanabes thought they can just get away with dropping bombs on Pakistani civilians, gladly got the humiliation of a life time in modern era. Pakistan should have aimed to drop many more missiles on their militants with hundreds getting boxed instead of a few dozens we got this time.

Freedom Fighter of IOK will avenge innocent killed including children by these Hindutva terrorists, won't be surprised if we see more of Pulwamas in the near future, no peace with these lunatics. They have done a lot of terrorist bombings in Pakistan over last 3 decades, killed thousand of innocent civilians in markets, schools, mosques, church, rallies etc but Pakistan was civil enough to not to respond with dropping missiles on their population, unlike these lunatics, no peace with these war mongerers until unless they elect better leadership who genuinely want peace

I personally don't endorse the killing of any civillians. But looking at indian reactiom, even at this forum to Jaffar Express was cold.

 

[hks222]

BLA is India's arm on our western border.

We need to prop up India's involvement in Balochistan at every corner of the world.

Good that ISPR called out that we hit BLA's training camps in India.

India policy for Pakistan should be very much on the front-foot, and sharper than a knife.

 

[Pakpak]

Economy will be better.

Young population is entering the working lot, and they have alot of hunger to work and do well for themselves.

We need more call centers and shared services.

I disagree. You go to anywhere online every single person is running. I have personally helped a lot of people come to the UK. People are even leaving to places like Lithunia, Poland and Latvia. That's how desperate they are. Just saying economy will be better isn't much.

We are having the worst brain drain of any nation since 2022.

For economy to be better you need political and social stability, where investors know their money will be safe and the local justice system does it job for legal purposes. Pakistan has absolutely zilch for either.

 

[Pakpak]

BLA is India's arm on our western border.

We need to prop up India's involvement in Balochistan at every corner of the world.

Good that ISPR called out that we hit BLA's training camps in India.

India policy for Pakistan should be very much on the front-foot, and sharper than a knife.

Everyone knows it. Don't you think every Western government knows it? Or do you think only us PP posters know it and the Western nations with all their intelligence are blind?

Everyone knows what they're doing in Balochistan. Noone cares. Noone thinks its worth pressuring India, a trillion plus dollar economy for a bankrupt nation. There is no 'win' for them.

 

[Savak]

For that you need good diplomats - we have none.
For that you also need an extremely powerful economy - we are bankrupt.

There's only so far the world will go. Yes right now they have not really backed India but their 'support' is just limited to oh look Pakistan shot down their planes. They've stayed neutral on Kashmir but that's about as a 'win' as we can take it. Noone is going to pressure an economic juggernaut like India on the behest of a bankrupt nation surviving on handouts. When you need diplomacy wins the other side asks you 'and what can you do for us?'. Our answer is usually a begging bowl.

What we CAN do is:
a) make an alliance of some sort with Bangladesh, having bases there would be an utterly dream move (unlikely)
b) improve things with Afghanistan - in progress
c) improve our economy - unlikely
d) have some political stability - we all know the answer to this

@Savak Because of the above factors being unlikely we will end up struggling. One of the biggest examples is our military action: we all knew what India was about to do. Any sane military power would have launched a devestating pre-emptive attack so the next time the other side thinks twice.

We did not. Either in 2019 or now.

The reason? We don't have the diplomatic clout to survive the aftermath. We'd get sanctioned to our eye balls. Hence we have to always wait for India to make a move, and this time it resulted in deaths and India faces no fall out from it. Militarily this will always take you so far, there will be a time where India won't be caught with their pants down and will cause serious damage in a first strike and won't make the same mistakes the last two times. We will end up being humiliated until we teach India a lesson by pre-emptive strikes which as I explained we don't have the diplomatic clout to do.

The risk of descalating and backing off is that it is giving the indians ample time to recover and plan with the Israeli's on how to counter Pakistan's air force. When you have an advantage, you have to make the most of it without thinking twice.

 

[Pakpak]

The risk of descalating and backing off is that it is giving the indians ample time to recover and plan with the Israeli's on how to counter Pakistan's air force. When you have an advantage, you have to make the most of it without thinking twice.

Oh I agree, but like I said we don't have the diplomatic power for a pre-emptive attack.

 

[hks222]

I disagree. You go to anywhere online every single person is running. I have personally helped a lot of people come to the UK. People are even leaving to places like Lithunia, Poland and Latvia. That's how desperate they are. Just saying economy will be better isn't much.

We are having the worst brain drain of any nation since 2022.

For economy to be better you need political and social stability, where investors know their money will be safe and the local justice system does it job for legal purposes. Pakistan has absolutely zilch for either.

It will be better.

Those running away don't have appetite to work and are losers (you'll find them in every nation).

And then there are people here who are working hard.

 

[hks222]

Everyone knows it. Don't you think every Western government knows it? Or do you think only us PP posters know it and the Western nations with all their intelligence are blind?

Everyone knows what they're doing in Balochistan. Noone cares. Noone thinks its worth pressuring India, a trillion plus dollar economy for a bankrupt nation. There is no 'win' for them.

Problem is, we have never highlighted Balochistan issue.

Even if our economy was top draw, this sort of diplomacy and communication will land us nowhere.

 

[Kriketer]

I personally don't endorse the killing of any civillians. But looking at indian reactiom, even at this forum to Jaffar Express was cold.

Yes certainly not suggesting attacking civilians, we should never have that policy no matter what, this is what would differ us from these war mongering terrorist hindutvas who rejoice over even children dying just because they are Muslim and fantisize over destroying Pakistan.

Seeing capabilities and accuracy of Pak Army to destroy their bases and army militant camps far out and beyond without harming civilians is highly impressive and something Pak needs to consider to go on an offense and dropping missiles if we have proof of India carrying out terrorism in Pakistan. Absolutely no peace with these hindutva lunatics

 

[hks222]

Yes certainly not suggesting attacking civilians, we should never have that policy no matter what, this is what would differ us from these war mongering terrorist hindutvas who rejoice over even children dying just because they are Muslim and fantisize over destroying Pakistan.

Seeing capabilities and accuracy of Pak Army to destroy their bases and army militant camps far out and beyond without harming civilians is highly impressive and something Pak needs to consider to go on an offense and dropping missiles if we have proof of India carrying out terrorism in Pakistan. Absolutely no peace with these hindutva lunatics

I think we need to build ground for these attacks on BLA terror camps with solid global communication, and bringing our social and financial loss on account of these terror incidents in Balochistan across media (local as well as international).

 

[Savak]

Economic Stability requires political stability, consistency in policies, a secure law and order, security situation and for the country to produce goods, services of high quality where they are valued world wide, domestic production of essential raw materials.

India invested massively in their education and technology sector in the 90's and they started to reep the rewards handsomely a good 10-20 years later.

Pakistan will have to follow a similar path but given the existential threat it faces and a detesting, powerful neighbor always looking to scheme, sabotage against it, we don't have much time.

 

[hks222]

The risk of descalating and backing off is that it is giving the indians ample time to recover and plan with the Israeli's on how to counter Pakistan's air force. When you have an advantage, you have to make the most of it without thinking twice.

Pakistan also has a defence budget, which it should put to use and strategize - as it has been doing.

 

[hks222]

Economic Stability requires political stability, consistency in policies, a secure law and order, security situation and for the country to produce goods, services of high quality where they are valued world wide, domestic production of essential raw materials.

India invested massively in their education and technology sector in the 90's and they started to reep the rewards handsomely a good 10-20 years later.

Pakistan will have to follow a similar path but given the existential threat it faces and a detesting, powerful neighbor always looking to scheme, sabotage against it, we don't have much time.

There has been alot of hussle in people below 30.

I've seen in past three to four years young people giving services such as IT and bookkeeping services to US clients individually - mainly due to devaluation.

There is potential.

 

[Kianig89]

Building blocks it is , with a struggling economy Pakistan is crippled to strive for its main interests so at present its more a flexible approach we need . Although this war has shown that despite its idiosyncrasies, influential countries like US UK hold some regard for Pakistan.

USA , UK, China , KSA , UAE these are the main countries Pakistan is depending upon in different aspects ( financially, defence , diaspora etc).

Second layer Turkiye , Iran, Bangladesh , Malaysia , AFGHANISTAN

Relations with these countries have been in a swing recently , Pakistan needs to work specially in case of Iran , Bangladesh and Afghanistan to make amends.

Russia, Qatar, Germany , JPN

These are 4 influential countries and Pakistan should look for a strategic cell to gather their support in any way possible.

 

[hks222]

Building blocks it is , with a struggling economy Pakistan is crippled to strive for its main interests so at present its more a flexible approach we need . Although this war has shown that despite its idiosyncrasies, influential countries like US UK hold some regard for Pakistan.

USA , UK, China , KSA , UAE these are the main countries Pakistan is depending upon in different aspects ( financially, defence , diaspora etc).

Second layer Turkiye , Iran, Bangladesh , Malaysia , AFGHANISTAN

Relations with these countries have been in a swing recently , Pakistan needs to work specially in case of Iran , Bangladesh and Afghanistan to make amends.

Russia, Qatar, Germany , JPN

These are 4 influential countries and Pakistan should look for a strategic cell to gather their support in any way possible.

Germany & Japan are often overlooked - specially as trading partners.

Nevertheless - we should have roamed all around the world after Jaffar Express happened.

 

[straighttalk]

Yes please go ahead and try it ...China turkey Azerbaijan and Bangladesh...omg omg .we are screwed if they sanction us..lmao

 

[Theanonymousone]

The amount of delusion here is insane.

We all can talk about diplomacy and guys like Jaishankar but the fact is they are not the ones making the economic deals. International diplomacy will play a role only when you have cards to deal with. Its a spectrum where everything boils down to “who benefits from what?” Else, looking at the poor and war torn nations in middle east and africa, can anyone turn a blind eye?

Everyone talks about Ukraine or Palestine but what about Sudan? Congo? Syria? The genocide of Yezdis?


There are no permanent allies. And that doesn't mean, we go down on morality aspects.
The image on Pakistan as a terror funding state is not done by India but primarily due to its active role in US vs Afg fight and OBL capture. Now, Pakistan is in bed with China. I would ask Pakistanis itself to question who is benefiting from this? Does the projects from China are offering high-earning jobs to Pakistani youth? Then yes.
I dont understand how Pakistan can accept deals that primely benefit Chinese companies like the Power projects or Infrastructure projects.

Neither India not Pakistan can compare with China due to it being a One-state party devoid of most political instability. But Pakistan, doesn't suit itself with terrorist attacks and religious image for any FDIs that may actually generate growth.

Whether you like it or not, religious extremism will make investments runaway and Pakistani domestic market is bad to offer any substantial value. Look at the Indian states - Southern states doesn't have the image of religious politics, and hence, they grew at ~15% in the last 10 years.

Unless Pakistan forgoes its image as a pro-religiously driven country, its not going anywhere.
We all can talk about India and Hidutva like everyday but people fail badly at one aspect. India is so diverse that, the probability of religious extremism taking over is negligible. And Hinduism doesn't have a doctrine principles to follow making it more easier to question unreasonable things.

Then, may be Pakistan can overdrive or whatever do on its diplomacy.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Indian diplomat told to leave Pakistan within 24 hours​

Pakistan has declared a staff member of the Indian High Commission in Islamabad persona non grata for engaging in activities "inconsistent with his privileged status."

The diplomat has been given 24 hours to leave the country, according to a press release issued by the Foreign Office, it emerged on Thursday.

The Indian Chargé d’Affaires was summoned to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to communicate the decision. Pakistan reiterated that no diplomat or staff member of the Indian High Commission should misuse their privileges and status in any manner.

The development comes hours after India declared a Pakistani official posted at the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi 'persona non grata' for similar reasons.

The Indian government issued a statement demanding that the Pakistani official leave within 24 hours, reinforcing its call for diplomats to refrain from activities beyond their official duties.

A demarche was also delivered to Pakistan’s Charge d’Affaires, urging him to ensure that Pakistani diplomats in India do not misuse their status.

Earlier, a suicide attack targeting a school bus in Khuzdar, Balochistan, resulted in the martyrdom of at least six individuals, including three schoolchildren.

Several others were injured when an explosive-laden vehicle rammed into the bus carrying students to the Army Public School (APS) in the Khuzdar cantonment.

The vehicle, according to the Bomb Disposal Squad, was rigged with more than 30 kilograms of explosives. The military's media wing, ISPR, blamed India and its proxies in Balochistan for orchestrating the attack.

ISPR accused India of using proxies to destabilise Pakistan, particularly in Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

Source: The Express Tribune

 

[Champ_Pal]

Which nation will believe Pakistan's narrative? After Bin Laden was found chilling near an Army base in Abbottabad, Pakistan has no face to show to the world. The countries that believe in Pakistan or at least support it like China, Turkey, Iran and North Korea are already there. No Western nation will believe Pakistan. Good luck with your diplomacy. It works when you as a nation is developing fast and has great future. Otherwise no nation will support you if they are going to get nothing in return.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Which nation will believe Pakistan's narrative? After Bin Laden was found chilling near an Army base in Abbottabad, Pakistan has no face to show to the world. The countries that believe in Pakistan or at least support it like China, Turkey, Iran and North Korea are already there. No Western nation will believe Pakistan. Good luck with your diplomacy. It works when you as a nation is developing fast and has great future. Otherwise no nation will support you if they are going to get nothing in return.

Bin Laden narrative suited US policy at the time, I don't think Indians really understand this, that is why they are hit for six when Trump turns round and plays Pakistan off against India for his own purposes. Indians are still blubbing about OBL years later while the Americans moved on years ago.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Bin Laden narrative suited US policy at the time, I don't think Indians really understand this, that is why they are hit for six when Trump turns round and plays Pakistan off against India for his own purposes. Indians are still blubbing about OBL years later while the Americans moved on years ago.

Still burying your head in the sand. Mr.Laden was chilling nicely in Pakistan and some are still in denial. Pak was playing double game and got caught.

Trump is not Pro-India. He is Pro-America. He is a business man first and sees India as an attractive place to make money for US companies. Pakistan has nothing to offer to US other than their bases to fight off Iran or some other Islamic group operating against US interests. Americans may have moved on. But the trust will not be there. They will not believe anything your Generals say. At least for the next 4 years when Trump is still in power. May be if next time some far left communist like AOC or some other clown comes to power, they might believe Pak's narrative. Who knows. But their deep state is not as dumb as politicians from India or Pak.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Still burying your head in the sand. Mr.Laden was chilling nicely in Pakistan and some are still in denial. Pak was playing double game and got caught.

Trump is not Pro-India. He is Pro-America. He is a business man first and sees India as an attractive place to make money for US companies. Pakistan has nothing to offer to US other than their bases to fight off Iran or some other Islamic group operating against US interests. Americans may have moved on. But the trust will not be there. They will not believe anything your Generals say. At least for the next 4 years when Trump is still in power. May be if next time some far left communist like AOC or some other clown comes to power, they might believe Pak's narrative. Who knows. But their deep state is not as dumb as politicians from India or Pak.

You are the one who brought up bin Laden, and with your fellow Indian posters it is a constant theme. Frankly it is your problem not mine. Americans themselves moved on years ago, they are now fixated on Russia and China, but on here, you, Hitman, Rajdeep and co are still stuck on page one. Hope it helps.

 

[hks222]

You are the one who brought up bin Laden, and with your fellow Indian posters it is a constant theme. Frankly it is your problem not mine. Americans themselves moved on years ago, they are now fixated on Russia and China, but on here, you, Hitman, Rajdeep and co are still stuck on page one. Hope it helps.

These Indian clowns are lame.

They keep living in the past.

 

[Boyka]

These saffron merchants have no self awareness.

Economic Stability requires political stability, consistency in policies, a secure law and order, security situation and for the country to produce goods, services of high quality where they are valued world wide, domestic production of essential raw materials.

India invested massively in their education and technology sector in the 90's and they started to reep the rewards handsomely a good 10-20 years later.

Pakistan will have to follow a similar path but given the existential threat it faces and a detesting, powerful neighbor always looking to scheme, sabotage against it, we don't have much time.

This. Unfortunately Pakistani prosperity is linked to India. Harsh realities.

But even through 99-2008 there wasn’t much progress so it remains to be seen which leaders can emerge to prioritise stability/economy. We had Imran Khan but have to stomach the South Asian Sisi as our overlord.

Personally I don’t mind Pakistan remaining a military dictatorship as long as we keep slapping these saffron merchants every few years

They’re obsessed.

 

[Champ_Pal]

You are the one who brought up bin Laden, and with your fellow Indian posters it is a constant theme. Frankly it is your problem not mine. Americans themselves moved on years ago, they are now fixated on Russia and China, but on here, you, Hitman, Rajdeep and co are still stuck on page one. Hope it helps.

Bin Laden is relevant because US has poured in billions in an effort to iron out terror from that region. They bombed Afghanistan thinking Binny man is there. But he was chilling in Pakistan with the blessings of the same Army generals that were pretending to be on US side in the war on terror. No country will believe anything Pakistan says. They will look to use Pakistan to have an eye on Middle East. But will never trust them. Global politics keeps changing where friends become enemies and enemies become friends. But what Pakistan did to US, CIA and US will never forget. Your Generals were fighting on both sides double crossing US forces. Its all recorded. It was not too long ago either. Just a few years ago.

 

[Champ_Pal]

These Indian clowns are lame.

They keep living in the past.

We are clowns and you are smart to think that the world believes Pakistan's stories.

 

[LordJames]

Still burying your head in the sand. Mr.Laden was chilling nicely in Pakistan and some are still in denial. Pak was playing double game and got caught.

Trump is not Pro-India. He is Pro-America. He is a business man first and sees India as an attractive place to make money for US companies. Pakistan has nothing to offer to US other than their bases to fight off Iran or some other Islamic group operating against US interests. Americans may have moved on. But the trust will not be there. They will not believe anything your Generals say. At least for the next 4 years when Trump is still in power. May be if next time some far left communist like AOC or some other clown comes to power, they might believe

Exposing the Ignorance and Duplicity of Indians on the Osama Bin Laden Issue

Everyone is well aware of my views on the Pakistani military—its entrenched corruption, suppression of civil liberties, and human rights abuses. That much is not up for debate.

Yes, Osama bin Laden was located and killed by U.S. forces in Abbottabad, within Pakistani territory. That, too, is a fact. But what’s often deliberately ignored or distorted is what the declassified CIA documents actually say.

Despite extensive scrutiny, none of the declassified CIA documents provide evidence of official complicity by the Pakistani state—whether the military, intelligence agencies, or paramilitary forces. While some reports speculate about potential low-level cooperation or negligence, there is zero conclusive evidence of state-level collusion or deliberate harboring of OBL.

So if Indian commentators want to selectively quote U.S. sources about the raid that killed Bin Laden, they should also be honest enough to quote the very same sources when it comes to the absence of evidence of Pakistan's official involvement in protecting him.

Let’s also apply some consistency: There have been numerous cases in India where high-profile criminals were discovered hiding in close proximity to police stations or intelligence offices. Does that automatically imply Indian state agencies were complicit in protecting them? Of course not—and the same standard must apply here.

Challenge to Any Indian:

Let’s have an informed discussion about the alleged involvement of the Pakistani state in harboring Osama bin Laden. If you believe there’s evidence, then bring it forward—quote directly from declassified CIA documents. Speculation doesn’t count. Let’s stick to facts.

 

[HalBass9]

Bin Laden is relevant because US has poured in billions in an effort to iron out terror from that region. They bombed Afghanistan thinking Binny man is there. But he was chilling in Pakistan with the blessings of the same Army generals that were pretending to be on US side in the war on terror. No country will believe anything Pakistan says. They will look to use Pakistan to have an eye on Middle East. But will never trust them. Global politics keeps changing where friends become enemies and enemies become friends. But what Pakistan did to US, CIA and US will never forget. Your Generals were fighting on both sides double crossing US forces. Its all recorded. It was not too long ago either. Just a few years ago.

LOL.

What a naïve take, textbook bhaktonomics.

Before Osama bin Laden was found, it was Pakistani intelligence, yes, the same ISI, that played a key role in capturing key figures leading up to his demise. OBL wasn’t discovered in a vacuum, it was the result of a long, multi agency pursuit.

But let’s be honest, no one’s buying the OBL or IPL credibility narrative anymore. The world has moved on. These days, when Indian officials present ‘evidence,’ it usually comes with a wink and a whisper, Trust me, bro.

 

[Champ_Pal]

LOL.

What a naïve take, textbook bhaktonomics.

Before Osama bin Laden was found, it was Pakistani intelligence, yes, the same ISI, that played a key role in capturing key figures leading up to his demise. OBL wasn’t discovered in a vacuum, it was the result of a long, multi agency pursuit.

But let’s be honest, no one’s buying the OBL or IPL credibility narrative anymore. The world has moved on. These days, when Indian officials present ‘evidence,’ it usually comes with a wink and a whisper, Trust me, bro.

He was hiding in a Bungalow next to an Army base and you are telling me ISI was searching for him with CIA all those years.

Lets be honest. Pakistan and credibility should not be in the same sentence ever.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Exposing the Ignorance and Duplicity of Indians on the Osama Bin Laden Issue

Everyone is well aware of my views on the Pakistani military—its entrenched corruption, suppression of civil liberties, and human rights abuses. That much is not up for debate.

Yes, Osama bin Laden was located and killed by U.S. forces in Abbottabad, within Pakistani territory. That, too, is a fact. But what’s often deliberately ignored or distorted is what the declassified CIA documents actually say.

Despite extensive scrutiny, none of the declassified CIA documents provide evidence of official complicity by the Pakistani state—whether the military, intelligence agencies, or paramilitary forces. While some reports speculate about potential low-level cooperation or negligence, there is zero conclusive evidence of state-level collusion or deliberate harboring of OBL.

So if Indian commentators want to selectively quote U.S. sources about the raid that killed Bin Laden, they should also be honest enough to quote the very same sources when it comes to the absence of evidence of Pakistan's official involvement in protecting him.

Let’s also apply some consistency: There have been numerous cases in India where high-profile criminals were discovered hiding in close proximity to police stations or intelligence offices. Does that automatically imply Indian state agencies were complicit in protecting them? Of course not—and the same standard must apply here.

Challenge to Any Indian:

Let’s have an informed discussion about the alleged involvement of the Pakistani state in harboring Osama bin Laden. If you believe there’s evidence, then bring it forward—quote directly from declassified CIA documents. Speculation doesn’t count. Let’s stick to facts.

I can't even read what you typed with a straight face.

You are comparing an international world renowned terrorist Laden for whom US was started a war and spent Billions(Paid Pakistan billions too) is somehow equal to some criminals and gangsters hiding in India?

What evidence do you want? He was found in a mansion next to an Army base and you are saying Pak army did not know who was living there?

 

[HalBass9]

He was hiding in a Bungalow next to an Army base and you are telling me ISI was searching for him with CIA all those years.

Lets be honest. Pakistan and credibility should not be in the same sentence ever.

India’s credibility and the word “evidence” shouldn’t even share the same sentence at this point. Is the official line still “Trust me, bro”?

Yes, bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan, but was he being harbored, or simply hiding? There's a difference. And if the ISI was actively protecting him, maybe explain why he was left exposed enough for a drone to spot him stretching his legs in the garden like it was Sunday morning. Not exactly elite cover for the world’s most wanted man.

But hey, I get it. This narrative is all that's left in the arsenal. It’s tired, hollow, and globally irrelevant. Especially when G7 diplomats were handed “intelligence” that basically read like a Whatsapp forward.

Classic bhaktonomics, loud on drama, light on proof.

 

[hks222]

We are clowns and you are smart to think that the world believes Pakistan's stories.

More like you're a clown because you thought world would buy your false flag BS like Pehalgam.

I guess, indians have got used to the smell of rotten eggs on their faces.

 

[LordJames]

I can't even read what you typed with a straight face.

You are comparing an international world renowned terrorist Laden for whom US was started a war and spent Billions(Paid Pakistan billions too) is somehow equal to some criminals and gangsters hiding in India?

What evidence do you want? He was found in a mansion next to an Army base and you are saying Pak army did not know who was living there?

Let me dumb it down and write at your level.

Zero evidence from CIA classified documents that (state of) Pakistan was involved in harboring of or in collusion with OBL in Abbotabad.

Prove me wrong, go ahead.

 

[hks222]

Let me dumb it down and write at your level.

Zero evidence from CIA classified documents that (state of) Pakistan was involved in harboring of or in collusion with OBL in Abbotabad.

Prove me wrong, go ahead.

Lol bro.

Indian media channels interview BLA after they kill our soldiers and kids.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Let me dumb it down and write at your level.

Zero evidence from CIA classified documents that (state of) Pakistan was involved in harboring of or in collusion with OBL in Abbotabad.

Prove me wrong, go ahead.

Yiur entire military establishment made a clown out if your entire Pak population. Who the hell with any brain cells believe that Pak army and ISI did not know that Binny boy was hiding there? That too so close to their western point army base? You can tell this and convince your fellow sheeple. Not us. Your former PM Imran Khan even called Binny as a Martyr in National Assembly. A designated international terrorist and a vermin like Laden is a hero for Pakistanis. Clearly there are way too many fan boys of Binny in Pakistan. Funny you guys call Indians as terrorists. Oh boy!!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Which nation will believe Pakistan's narrative? After Bin Laden was found chilling near an Army base in Abbottabad, Pakistan has no face to show to the world. The countries that believe in Pakistan or at least support it like China, Turkey, Iran and North Korea are already there. No Western nation will believe Pakistan. Good luck with your diplomacy. It works when you as a nation is developing fast and has great future. Otherwise no nation will support you if they are going to get nothing in return.

Weren't Osama bin Laden and the Taliban linked?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Weren't Osama bin Laden and the Taliban linked?

Afghan Taliban. But Binny was chilling in Pak.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Afghan Taliban. But Binny was chilling in Pak.

Thanks. Here is my next question. Which Taliban does this minister belongs to?

India, Afghanistan Agreed To Boost Ties: MEA On S Jaishankar's Meeting With Taliban Minister​

EAM Jaishankar and Muttaqi held diplomatic talks, reportedly first time after Taliban took over Afghanistan in 2021, on May 15.​

Ministry of External Affairs on Thursday said that External Affairs Minister Dr S Jaishankar and Afghanistan Acting Foreign Minister Amir Khan Muttaqi have agreed to advance bilateral cooperation in several areas.

India, Afghanistan Agreed To Boost Ties: MEA On S Jaishankar's Meeting With Taliban Minister

EAM Jaishankar and Muttaqi held diplomatic talks, reportedly first time after Taliban took over Afghanistan in 2021, on May 15.

www.news18.com

 

[HalBass9]

Bhakths back to doing, what about OBL?

Every Bhakth wants to be Barka dutt, y’all not getting godi media $$$. Stop playing dumb.

 

[Technics 1210]

Bhakths back to doing, what about OBL?

Every Bhakth wants to be Barka dutt, y’all not getting godi media $$$. Stop playing dumb.

They're intellectually bankrupt.

 

[Hitman]

They're intellectually bankrupt.

Intellectually blessed is the one rotting in jail who claimed Germany and Japan share borders, and that tress and plants produce oxygen at night.​

 

[Devadwal]

Indian diplomat told to leave Pakistan within 24 hours​

Pakistan has declared a staff member of the Indian High Commission in Islamabad persona non grata for engaging in activities "inconsistent with his privileged status."

The diplomat has been given 24 hours to leave the country, according to a press release issued by the Foreign Office, it emerged on Thursday.

The Indian Chargé d’Affaires was summoned to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to communicate the decision. Pakistan reiterated that no diplomat or staff member of the Indian High Commission should misuse their privileges and status in any manner.

The development comes hours after India declared a Pakistani official posted at the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi 'persona non grata' for similar reasons.

The Indian government issued a statement demanding that the Pakistani official leave within 24 hours, reinforcing its call for diplomats to refrain from activities beyond their official duties.

A demarche was also delivered to Pakistan’s Charge d’Affaires, urging him to ensure that Pakistani diplomats in India do not misuse their status.

Earlier, a suicide attack targeting a school bus in Khuzdar, Balochistan, resulted in the martyrdom of at least six individuals, including three schoolchildren.

Several others were injured when an explosive-laden vehicle rammed into the bus carrying students to the Army Public School (APS) in the Khuzdar cantonment.

The vehicle, according to the Bomb Disposal Squad, was rigged with more than 30 kilograms of explosives. The military's media wing, ISPR, blamed India and its proxies in Balochistan for orchestrating the attack.

ISPR accused India of using proxies to destabilise Pakistan, particularly in Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

Source: The Express Tribune

Post Full story bro

Earlier India has declared, Muzammil Hussain, a technical staff at Pakistan High commission in Delhi persona non grata for involvement in espionage. India reason was valid.

Pakistan just copy pasted evrything from india as although reason is not valid .

 

[hks222]

Intellectually blessed is the one rotting in jail who claimed Germany and Japan share borders, and that tress and plants produce oxygen at night.​

Hey, but isn't your PM roaming free after saying in shock that "Pakistan ne hum par hi hamla kardia"

Yeah dumbo - thats what you get on crossing the line, attacking civilian areas and killing children.

There is a fine line of difference in having guts and being shameless, indians probably live on the latter one.

 

[Hitman]

Hey, but isn't your PM roaming free after saying in shock that "Pakistan ne hum par hi hamla kardia"

Yeah dumbo - thats what you get on crossing the line, attacking civilian areas and killing children.

There is a fine line of difference in having guts and being shameless, indians probably live on the latter one.

Shameless are the ones who keep breaking their own previous record of knocking IMF's door with a begging bowl begging for alms i.e 25 times.

 

[Hitman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1925573199854522798

 

[hks222]

Shameless are the ones who keep breaking their own previous record of knocking IMF's door with a begging bowl begging for alms i.e 25 times.

Economy can turn around and change - remember, your country had the same begging bowl and had gone to IMF for seven times - knocking IMF doors all over in the 60s.

Don't worry - we will beat and outperform your shameless nation on economic front as well. Anything to dug you guys into a hole.

 

[hks222]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1925573199854522798

What he says is spot on - if india tries to put Pakistan in bothersome position over waters which is essential for human life - we will make sure none of you live as well.

 

[Hitman]

Economy can turn around and change - remember, your country had the same begging bowl and had gone to IMF for seven times - knocking IMF doors all over in the 60s.

Don't worry - we will beat and outperform your shameless nation on economic front as well. Anything to dug you guys into a hole.

How? By further applying for alms from IMF and other countries?

 

[hks222]

How? By further applying for alms from IMF and other countries?

We'll get out of it - don't worry about us.

And when we do, we'll make sure to give a beating to you guys on economic terms as well - like we beat down your airforce.

Thanks.

 

[hks222]

How? By further applying for alms from IMF and other countries?

And for starters - your country needs to stop cross border terrorism in KP and Balochistan

 

[Hitman]

We'll get out of it - don't worry about us.

And when we do, we'll make sure to give a beating to you guys on economic terms as well - like we beat down your airforce.

Thanks.

LOL, you might as well claim that you'll surpass America to be the next superpower of the world. But how?

Pakistan will get out of it, but how? Forget paying your pending loans, you are further taking loan after loan just to survive, so much that you keep breaking your own previous record of knocking the IMF's door.​

 

[hks222]

LOL, you might as well claim that you'll surpass America to be the next superpower of the world. But how?

Pakistan will get out of it, but how? Forget paying your pending loans, you are further taking loan after loan just to survive, so much that you keep breaking your own previous record of knocking the IMF's door.​

Just like you guys did after begging your way to IMF.

 

[Hitman]

Just like you guys did after begging your way to IMF.

LOL, if only we could replicate others, we would have been there in place of China.

 

[hks222]

LOL, if only we could replicate others, we would have been there in place of China.

In that case - we will def give you a beating on economic front as well.

Its not that stupid lame old-pakistani generation that you're dealing with now.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Bin Laden is relevant because US has poured in billions in an effort to iron out terror from that region. They bombed Afghanistan thinking Binny man is there. But he was chilling in Pakistan with the blessings of the same Army generals that were pretending to be on US side in the war on terror. No country will believe anything Pakistan says. They will look to use Pakistan to have an eye on Middle East. But will never trust them. Global politics keeps changing where friends become enemies and enemies become friends. But what Pakistan did to US, CIA and US will never forget. Your Generals were fighting on both sides double crossing US forces. Its all recorded. It was not too long ago either. Just a few years ago.

Lol. You are so stuck brown nosing the USA that you think are more bothered about their sentiments than they are themselves.

THey don't give a toss bro, they could easily move on to bombing India in a decades time if you were actually capable of providing any sort of threat to their interests. But truth is you will only provide the same as you do now. Cheap services and future buying market for their products. So no need to worry for a long long time.

 

[LordJames]

Incredible India, Inexplicable Idiocy

Query by @LordJames

Let me dumb it down and write at your level.

Zero evidence from CIA classified documents that (state of) Pakistan was involved in harboring of or in collusion with OBL in Abbotabad.

Prove me wrong, go ahead.
Response by @Champ_Pal

Yiur entire military establishment made a clown out if your entire Pak population. Who the hell with any brain cells believe that Pak army and ISI did not know that Binny boy was hiding there? That too so close to their western point army base? You can tell this and convince your fellow sheeple. Not us. Your former PM Imran Khan even called Binny as a Martyr in National Assembly. A designated international terrorist and a vermin like Laden is a hero for Pakistanis. Clearly there are way too many fan boys of Binny in Pakistan. Funny you guys call Indians as terrorists. Oh boy!!

 

[The Bald Eagle]

And now they have chosen the same Shashi Tharoor to rally the world against Pakistan for Pahalgam attacks

https://twitter.com/x/status/1925722347157258319

 

[Hitman]

In that case - we will def give you a beating on economic front as well.

Its not that stupid lame old-pakistani generation that you're dealing with now.

Try repaying your loans for a change instead of further living on handouts and bailouts.​

 

[Boyka]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1925573199854522798

Your leader and country are constantly threatening to block water flowing into a country, a basic human need.

Do you not think you’ll receive a response? Why are you so self-righteous?

Stop crying.

 

[Hitman]

Your leader and country are constantly threatening to block water flowing into a country, a basic human need.

Do you not think you’ll receive a response? Why are you so self-righteous?

Stop crying.

I'm not crying. I merely posted an X link.

 

[Vikram1989]

I'm not crying. I merely posted an X link.

Basic needs discussion is beyond hilarious and hypocrisy pro Max as pak is the harbour and exporter of terrorism to disrupt the basic need to live peacefully

 

[Boyka]

Basic needs discussion is beyond hilarious and hypocrisy pro Max as pak is the harbour and exporter of terrorism to disrupt the basic need to live peacefully

Stop crying and speak English. You people are only good for bullying.

 

[sweep_shot]

Your leader and country are constantly threatening to block water flowing into a country, a basic human need.

Do you not think you’ll receive a response? Why are you so self-righteous?

Stop crying.

They can dish it out but can't take it. This seems to be a cultural problem in India.

Even Indian government asked Pakistan not to retaliate after they did the missile attack. LMAO.

Once Pakistan responded, India asked for a ceasefire in less than 5 days.

 

[Champ_Pal]

What is aggressive diplomacy? How can Pakistan even do that? They are a nobody in world politics. The best they can do is ask for Chinese support or may be Turkey or North Korea. I don't know. Interesting to hear from Pak posters.

 

[Hitman]

What is aggressive diplomacy? How can Pakistan even do that? They are a nobody in world politics. The best they can do is ask for Chinese support or may be Turkey or North Korea. I don't know. Interesting to hear from Pak posters.

Funny hearing from a country running on handout and bailout packages talk about doing aggressive diplomacy. Their answer to every problem in the world is that they have nukes.

 

[Boyka]

They can dish it out but can't take it. This seems to be a cultural problem in India.

Even Indian government asked Pakistan not to retaliate after they did the missile attack. LMAO.

Once Pakistan responded, India asked for a ceasefire in less than 5 days.

Imagine meeting these guys in life, probably can’t even let out a squeak.

A nation of keyboard warriors