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Is Javed Miandad an ATG or only a Pakistani Great?

a batsman with grit. top 10 pak batters of all time. not a test atg . his lack of match winning knocks abroad point out to his limited technical abilities. but any team would be lucky to have a character like that . think he was a v good odi bat imo as compared to test matches. in his era he was top 5 odi bat and likely in top 25 odi bat of all time. his street smartness worked well for odi. his cricketing behaviour on field is similar to kohli - both are not likeable in that matter but did produce results .
 
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He was the only batsman I watched as a kid who gave me the comfort that we will win the match if he doesn’t get out. Maybe Inzi came a close second
 
Javed Miandad only a pakistan great.
the all time great from pakistan cricket is wasim akram
 
He was one of those colorful characters of the game so by that account an ATG. Numbers and talent wise he is not going to make it to even the first 3-4 ATG X1’s
 
BunnyRabbit said:
ODIs bro. Like I said had 9 consecutive 50+ scores at one point.

Although I meant ODIs but in tests, Pak had a strong bowling attack in 80s.
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I am not sure they got much results when stepping outside home though. I mean, Javed has a grand total of 2 tons in wins outside of home. Either Javed was not so great when stepping away from home or bowling was not good enough to support Javed.

Javed is an ATG for me.
 
From 80s, the below names are definitely ATGs:

Viv Richards
Greg Chappell( ATG output in 70s)
Sunil Gavaskar(ATG output in 70s)
Allan Border
Javed Miandad

Then a shade below ATG are the likes of Martin Crowe and David Gower and then others.
 
Buffet said:
I am not sure they got much results when stepping outside home though. I mean, Javed has a grand total of 2 tons in wins outside of home. Either Javed was not so great when stepping away from home or bowling was not good enough to support Javed.

Javed is an ATG for me.
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He batted at 4 and 5 mainly. Centuries weren't that common back then especially for middle order batters. Even the GOAT Viv had 11 ODI centuries in total. It was only in 90s onwards that centuries in ODIs became a regular thing. The current era is the most productive in terms of 100s.

I am not a fan of Miandad the person but the batter Miandad was an altogether a different beast. But I would agree on the front that Miandad should have scored more 100s in Tests, as it has been a case for Pakistani batters since forever. Younis is the only guy with 30+ 100s for Pak.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 1976. At 19 years, 141 days, Javed Miandad became the youngest person to make a Test double-century. He scored 206 against New Zealand in only his third Test as Pakistan piled up 565 for 9 in their first innings at Karachi <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/1Jbmc1PFqM">pic.twitter.com/1Jbmc1PFqM</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1587001620910448642?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Javed is certified ATG of the game. He is still the greatest ever batsman produced by Pakistan. He was in top five batsman of his generation. His stats and impact on cricket makes his one of the few ATG coming from Paksitan along with Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Inzamam.
 
One of a kind!

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Amid rumours about his health on national and social media, former Pakistan Test captain and legendary batsman Javed Miandad on Friday dismissed all such rumours, saying that he's absolutely fine.

As per some media reports, Miandad was "seriously ill" and was under observation at a private hospital in Karachi. However, the former cricketer has denied all such reports.

"I have heard that this news [about my health] has surfaced everywhere. I want to let everyone know there's nothing like that," he said in a video message.

Miandad said that he only came to the hospital for his regular check-up. "I had a minor headache so I came for the check-up. Everything is fine and there is nothing to worry about," he added.

He said that everyone comes to the hospital for a regular check-up so there was nothing unusual about his visit. "But I came to know here that everyone including my fans, friends and family are worried about me," he said.

The former captain further said that he will be discharged from the hospital shortly.

Express Tribune
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Javed is certified ATG of the game. He is still the greatest ever batsman produced by Pakistan. He was in top five batsman of his generation. His stats and impact on cricket makes his one of the few ATG coming from Paksitan along with Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Inzamam.
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Nailed it, hopefully unlike those who just seen the stats you have actually seen Miandad play in his era.
 
ATG of the game and the best batsman from Pakistan.
 
Buffet said:
ATG of the game and the best batsman from Pakistan.
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He’s the best player Pakistan has produced but I am not sure he is an ATG.
For me, you are great if you scored a lot of runs against the best competition,during your time, in their backyard.

Javed’s record against the West Indies and Aus (in their countries) is pretty ordinary. Compare this with, for instance, Gavaskar who has an incredible record there.
 
gibsyhesperis said:
He’s the best player Pakistan has produced but I am not sure he is an ATG.
For me, you are great if you scored a lot of runs against the best competition,during your time, in their backyard.

Javed’s record against the West Indies and Aus (in their countries) is pretty ordinary. Compare this with, for instance, Gavaskar who has an incredible record there.
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Having a different threshold is fine.

Javed won't be a contender for all time XI for me, but I see him as an ATG.
 
Yes he is.

Viv, Gavaskar, Chappell, Border and Miandad are the best batters from 70s and 80s.

Below then are the likes of Greenidge, Crowe, Boycott, Ian Chappell, Lloyd, Vishwanath, Z Abbas, Gower, Haynes etc.
 
MenInG said:
Amid rumours about his health on national and social media, former Pakistan Test captain and legendary batsman Javed Miandad on Friday dismissed all such rumours, saying that he's absolutely fine.

As per some media reports, Miandad was "seriously ill" and was under observation at a private hospital in Karachi. However, the former cricketer has denied all such reports.

"I have heard that this news [about my health] has surfaced everywhere. I want to let everyone know there's nothing like that," he said in a video message.

Miandad said that he only came to the hospital for his regular check-up. "I had a minor headache so I came for the check-up. Everything is fine and there is nothing to worry about," he added.

He said that everyone comes to the hospital for a regular check-up so there was nothing unusual about his visit. "But I came to know here that everyone including my fans, friends and family are worried about me," he said.

The former captain further said that he will be discharged from the hospital shortly.

Express Tribune
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Nothing to worry about - Miandad undergoing routine stuff

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"I have heard that this news [about my health] has broken and being mentioned everywhere. I want to let everyone know there's nothing like that, I have come here for a check-up"

"I had a minor headache so I came for a check-up. Alhamdolillah everything is fine and there is nothing to worry about"

"Coming for a check-up is nothing unusual but I have found out that that everyone including my fans, family and friends around the world are worried about me, but I would like to say to them that I am fine and there is nothing serious about my condition, I will be home in an hour or so, I would like to thank all of you for your concern"
 
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gibsyhesperis said:
He’s the best player Pakistan has produced but I am not sure he is an ATG.
For me, you are great if you scored a lot of runs against the best competition,during your time, in their backyard.

Javed’s record against the West Indies and Aus (in their countries) is pretty ordinary. Compare this with, for instance, Gavaskar who has an incredible record there.
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Not a right criteria, if that was the case then someone like Shane Warne would be also excluded as he was not good against the best spin players of his time, Indian batsmen.Not all ATGs were good aginst the best teams.
 
Miandad was an extraordinary batsman for Pakistan. I don’t consider him top 5 or maybe even top 10 ever world wide but he had a lion’s mindset and a winning mentality.

If I compare him to another Pakistani great such as Mohammed Yousaf, then I’m sure most will agree that Yousaf played classier shots, more aesthetically pleasing to the eye and maybe even had bigger overall test score innings.

However if the chips were down and we needed a batsman to win us a game then I’d want Miandad in my team over Yousaf any day. Sometimes it’s about having winning mentality players rather then averages and technical ability.
 
What other ability you need to prove to be ATG, when your average never dipped 50 playing in good bowling era?
 
For me, below players are ATGs :

1970s - Gavaskar, Viv, Chappell
1980s - Border, Miandad
1990s - Steve Waugh, Lara, Tendulkar
2000s - Ponting, Kallis, Dravid, Sanga, KP
2010s - ABDV, Kohli, S Smith, Root
 
shamaan said:
No younis khan ?
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As we move towards modern era, more preferences to all format batters with obviously tests still remaining premier measure. Younis and Cook probably in same league but not at ATG.
 
Ab Fan said:
As we move towards modern era, more preferences to all format batters with obviously tests still remaining premier measure. Younis and Cook probably in same league but not at ATG.
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Fair enough if it's based upon all formats with more weight in tests.
 
PakPremi said:
Not a right criteria, if that was the case then someone like Shane Warne would be also excluded as he was not good against the best spin players of his time, Indian batsmen.Not all ATGs were good aginst the best teams.
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I think this is a very fair point which I have to accept.
On reflection, maybe my criterion is too harsh as I agree, one would have to be consistent and by my criterion Warne would not be regarded as a great (his record in India is average at best) — this would clearly be absurd, as he clearly is an ATG.

I saw most of Miandad’s career — remarkably gutsy cricketer and indeed probably Pakistan’s greatest (if not most aesthetically pleasing) batsman.
 
Amazing batsman.

He wasn't dismissed LBW for first 9 years at home.

Must be unique record.
 
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Message from Sunil Gavaskar on JM's birthday

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Waq said:
Miandad was an extraordinary batsman for Pakistan. I don’t consider him top 5 or maybe even top 10 ever world wide but he had a lion’s mindset and a winning mentality.

If I compare him to another Pakistani great such as Mohammed Yousaf, then I’m sure most will agree that Yousaf played classier shots, more aesthetically pleasing to the eye and maybe even had bigger overall test score innings.

However if the chips were down and we needed a batsman to win us a game then I’d want Miandad in my team over Yousaf any day. Sometimes it’s about having winning mentality players rather then averages and technical ability.
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Spot on.
 
Yes, he is. Test ATG and a very good ODI bat.

In ODIs, he is not that great though. His strike rate was actually mediocre because he played some extremely slow knocks in World Cups. Probably Kallis level ODI batsman minus Kallis's bowling.

Greenidge, in contrast, had low strike rate too but was a world class both formats batsman.
 
Surely he is one of the ATG. Legends of the game. genius mind, humourous, and one the greatest batsman ever to play this game.
 
He is an ATG of the game.

Probably a much better batsman than Mark Waugh.
 
On This Day in 1976, at the age of 19 years and 140 days, Javed Miandad became the youngest player to hit a double century in Tests. One of the finest players to ever play the game of cricket for Pakistan.
 
On This Day in 1989, Javed Miandad became the first Pakistan batter to score 5,000 ODI runs. He achieved this feat in the Benson & Hedges World Series fixture against Australia at the Brisbane Cricket Ground, Brisbane.
 
As I have aged and become more mature, I have changed my thinking about such posts/rankings.

The eras are different and the game has evolved so much that stats don’t tell the full story.

The definition of an ATG is someone who is fondly remembered by his peers and cricket fans of that era.

Nitpicking Stats and records against the best teams or best bowlers etc is just for PP nerds who are in minority and whose opinions don’t hold any weight outside of PP.

Every player will have some sort of chink in their records which nerds can pick up to dismiss their achievements.

Miandad is an ATG.
 
Pakistani ATG, only behind YK for all time Pak test bats.

Overall he's not in the top tier of legends but close to it.

One thing that statsheets won't reflect though is his mental toughness, he was always up for a fight with the opposition, and this quality comes to be appreciated more and more as the years go by and we see our players crumble under pressure time and again
 
Ab Fan said:
Yes, he is. Test ATG and a very good ODI bat.

In ODIs, he is not that great though. His strike rate was actually mediocre because he played some extremely slow knocks in World Cups. Probably Kallis level ODI batsman minus Kallis's bowling.

Greenidge, in contrast, had low strike rate too but was a world class both formats batsman.
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During that era, the average SR of the best batters was 68 (Same as Javed). Viv was in a class of his own. WI was probably the only team with a few players with SR of 80+
 
BunnyRabbit said:
During that era, the average SR of the best batters was 68 (Same as Javed). Viv was in a class of his own. WI was probably the only team with a few players with SR of 80+
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It's not just about the average. There were some knocks in World Cup he played which were slow. I remember the 1992 World Cup Final where he scored 58(98) and Imran who batted at 3 scored faster than him while Wasim played a quickfire cameo or 1996 Quarter Final knock vs India where he played a very slow knock again.
 
Ab Fan said:
It's not just about the average. There were some knocks in World Cup he played which were slow. I remember the 1992 World Cup Final where he scored 58(98) and Imran who batted at 3 scored faster than him while Wasim played a quickfire cameo or 1996 Quarter Final knock vs India where he played a very slow knock again.
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He was a spent force in 1996. He had come back to play wc after 2-3 years of no cricket.
He was a vital cog of 1992 side. Yes, his 60 in the final was a tad slow but it's about partnership. Pak won the match. In semi final as well, Inzi did the fireworks but Miandad stayed till the end to finish the game.
Dhoni played a slow knock in wc 19 semi as well while Jadeja was smacking the ball around. Doesn't make Dhoni a lesser batter.
 
Javed Miandad eager to work with new PCB boss for ‘betterment of cricket’

Pakistan cricket great Javed Miandad has expressed his desire to work for the betterment of cricket in the country, Geo News reported on Sunday.

In a meeting with the newly-appointed Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Mohsin Naqvi, the former skipper felicitated Naqvi upon his appointment as the PCB head. They discussed various ways for the promotion of Pakistan cricket and its development on the basis of solid grounds.

Miandad congratulated Caretaker Punjab Chief Minister Naqvi on the successful inauguration of the Pakistan Super League 9 in Lahore too. He hoped that the PCB chief would take Pakistan cricket to new heights.

“My services are available for the improvement of cricket,” he said.

Upon which, Naqvi said Miandad was a cricket legend and he wanted to derive benefit from his expertise.

“The original position of the Pakistani team in international cricket is to be restored. I believe in teamwork. Consultation is being done to strengthen the Pakistani team. Domestic cricket will be promoted so that good players come forward,” he said.

Naqvi was elected unopposed as the PCB chairman for the next three years on February 6.

PCB's Chief Election Commissioner Shah Khawar had in a presser said Naqvi was the chairman from that day onwards.

Naqvi is the 37th chairman of the cricket board after replacing the former chairman of the PCB Management Committee, Zaka Ashraf, in the Board of Governors (BoG).

"Mohsin Naqvi can take up the role of chairman along with his chief minister position. There is no restriction in the law and constitution that might restrict him from becoming the chairman immediately," Khawar had said.


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He was ranked as the no. 1 batsman a few times in his career and too during the era of Viv Richards.

That tells you everything and how good he was.

Definite ATG and easily Pakistan's best Test batsman.
 
Best Pakistani batsman ever. Along with Younis and he is an ATG. Not just a Pakistani ATG
One of the best Asian batsman of all time.

Hanif miandad would be in my atg Asian side.
 
He was an ATG for me.

One genuine criticism of Miandad can be made that despite having few ATG bowlers in his team, he rarely scored big in wins when playing outside of Pakistan. Another known criticism is his struggle against the best team of his era WI, no matter where the game was played. He was limited in that regard, but he was a fighter. He will never be a candidate for my ATG XI due to his various flaws, but I consider him an ATG

I think Pakistan mostly struggled during his career when playing away due to no batsmen stepping up despite having ATG bowlers. It's reflected in Pakistan having W/L of 0.5 during Miandad's career.
 
Buffet said:
He was an ATG for me.

One genuine criticism of Miandad can be made that despite having few ATG bowlers in his team, he rarely scored big in wins when playing outside of Pakistan. Another known criticism is his struggle against the best team of his era WI, no matter where the game was played. He was limited in that regard, but he was a fighter. He will never be a candidate for my ATG XI due to his various flaws, but I consider him an ATG

I think Pakistan mostly struggled during his career when playing away due to no batsmen stepping up despite having ATG bowlers. It's reflected in Pakistan having W/L of 0.5 during Miandad's career.
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Miandad was not a gifted stroke player , he was a gritty batsman.
 
Justcrazy said:
he would be in Pakistan best XI and Asia , but not world. No way.
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Pakistan 100 percent. Asia? Not sure.

There's Gavaskar, Viru, Dravid, Sachin, Kohli, Sanga who are all a lot more accomplished than him.

Truthfully, I'd even play VVS Laxman ahead of Miandad in tests simply because how absolutely dominant VVS was against the best team of his era/all time.
 
AMSS said:
Pakistan 100 percent. Asia? Not sure.

There's Gavaskar, Viru, Dravid, Sachin, Kohli, Sanga who are all a lot more accomplished than him.

Truthfully, I'd even play VVS Laxman ahead of Miandad in tests simply because how absolutely dominant VVS was against the best team of his era/all time.
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In Asia also Miandad will struggle.
 
Miandad was an ATG. All the top bowlers from the late 70s to the 80s rated him highly. He was a street-fighter who always loved a challenge, great improvisor, always scored runs when the team needed them.
In his autobiography 'Menace', Dennis Lillee rated him ahead of Gavaskar.
 
Not at all just a Pakistani great. He is one of the guys who will get picked in the All-time IX for sure. Have not seem him live, but what is have seem in videos and interviews of other legends, they rate him higher than many. ATG for sure.
 
greatest said:
Miandad was an ATG. All the top bowlers from the late 70s to the 80s rated him highly. He was a street-fighter who always loved a challenge, great improvisor, always scored runs when the team needed them.
In his autobiography 'Menace', Dennis Lillee rated him ahead of Gavaskar.
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Gavaskar would arguably be in the world best test team ever and a certainty in Asia XI
 
Lower tier ATG alongwith Dravid.

Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Kohli are top tiers.

Followed by Sangakkara and then Miandad and Dravid at same level.
 
8832 runs in 124 Tests at an average of 52.57

7381 runs in 233 ODIs at an average of 41.70

1992 World Cup Winner

Happy birthday to the legendary Pakistan batter, Javed Miandad.

Do we need him in the coaching setup or management again?
 
Ab Fan said:
Lower tier ATG alongwith Dravid.

Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Kohli are top tiers.

Followed by Sangakkara and then Miandad and Dravid at same level.
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Gavaskar was an average ODI batsman. (Ave. 35 in 108 ODIs). Miandad excelled in both formats. Hence I would rate both Viv and Miandad above him

Viv, Miandad, Gavaskar, Border, and Greg Chappell were the Fab 5 of that time (70s and 80s) closely followed by Gordon Greenidge and Zaheer Abbas.
 
AZulfi said:
Gavaskar was an average ODI batsman. (Ave. 35 in 108 ODIs). Miandad excelled in both formats. Hence I would rate both Viv and Miandad above him

Viv, Miandad, Gavaskar, Border, and Greg Chappell were the Fab 5 of that time (70s and 80s) closely followed by Gordon Greenidge and Zaheer Abbas.
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Even most pakistani fans wouldn't rate miandad over gavaskar, and I bet most neutral fans, experts and former players wouldn't either.

Odis were still a new format when sunny was playing and they have little impact on his legacy.

Being the only opener to score 10k+ runs at an average of 50+ puts him a tier above miandad.
 
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