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Despite all the droppings he has done well to achieve:

*Most numbers of Dismissals to his name.
*Most number of catches.
*2nd Best Dismissals per innings record.

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Every keeper around these days drops catches because of the great amount of cricket but the moment Kamran Akmal drops it becomes a crime. But that said he looked really flawless on his comeback for 20 or so games.
 
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yea agree he is excellent should be in 2015 WC squad selectors and captain will make blunder if they dont select him. should also be called back to Test squad and allowed to bat up the order. he was best choice for T20 captaincy too. he has been treated harshly should now be given a longer run to prove himself yet again . he still has 6 years left in him Pakistan should make full use of that
 
This thread is an insult to Pakistan's best ever wicket keepers I.e. Rashid Latif & Wasim Bari


I have never seen Bari keep, but have heard great things about him from cricket pundits.. But he was from an era of cricket where a cricketer played half (or may b less) matches in his career than current era

I have seen Rashid Latif keep, and he was miles ahead of Kamran Akmal as a keeper. He kept wickets when Wasim, Waqar n Shoaib were in their prime years. He also kept flawlessly for spin duo of saqlain n mushtaq. In the era of wasim, waq n shoaib (especially wasim n waqar) pakistan relied on batsmen getting bowled/lbw. So naturally no. of dismissals in wk name r less. And in the era of Rashid Latif, it was a see saw between him n moin, as moin khan was a superior/more dependable batsman than latif..

Come out of stats world...

Going by stats, Afridi may join 400 wickets club soon in ODI cricket. Does it make him same calibre as others in that list?
 
Statistically yes, but actually, one of the worst WK ever.

Rashid Latif is the best WK I've seen play for Pakistan by miles and most people who have watched both, rate Rashid better than Wasim Bari.

Moin is vastly overrated. His keeping was on par with Kamran or maybe just a shade better while he was inferior with the bat. As a WK batsman, Kamran might be our best ever because Rashid and Bari were mediocre bats.

However, it doesn't say much about Kamran's quality because other than 2005-2007, he has been rubbish both as a WK and as a batsman.

One thing I'd like to say about Kamran, I don't agree that he's a poor WK. I have followed his career from his debut and I believe he's one of the most gifted WK I've seen HOWEVER, also, the most mentally fragile and weak cricketer.

He was brilliant with both the gloves and the bat till the England tour in 2006 where he had a shocker. It took him 2 years to recover and he had a very good 2009 both with the gloves and the bat (was top scorer across all 3 formats for the calender year) including the tour of NZ before the dreadful Australian tour happened.

When he came back before the World Cup, he was looking sharp again before the Ross Taylor drops destroyed him mentally again. He lacks the capacity to move on and refocus. You can see from his face how much a dropped catch bothers him and he drops most of them because he fears that he'll drop them - lack of self confidence.

All wicket keepers drop catches; I've seen Gilchrist, Boucher, Stewart, Dhoni, Latif, Sangakkara, Prior, Kaluwitharana, McCullum, Haddin, Parore etc etc etc all spill catches, but they are able to switch on and forget about it immediately.

This is why whenever he makes a return, he looks good with the gloves initially and people think he has improved but then he drops one catch and that's it. Also, he has hardly performed poorly with the gloves and then respond with the bat; as a confidence player, he needs to do well with the gloves to do well with the bat and vice versa.

There is no way back for him now and time to move on. He doesn't have the resilience to perform at this level and will go down as one of the many cricketers Pakistan has produced who failed to fulfill their potential and didn't do justice to their ability.
 
The stats are a bit of shocker .... but seriously,
Fielding standards have gone up substantially, and the kind of goof ups Kamran Akmal commits cost his team games.
That is seriously missed in the stats.

I can hardly forget the Australia series with his great many misses cost an entire test series.
 
cricwiz said:
This thread is an insult to Pakistan's best ever wicket keepers I.e. Rashid Latif & Wasim Bari


I have never seen Bari keep, but have heard great things about him from cricket pundits.. But he was from an era of cricket where a cricketer played half (or may b less) matches in his career than current era

I have seen Rashid Latif keep, and he was miles ahead of Kamran Akmal as a keeper. He kept wickets when Wasim, Waqar n Shoaib were in their prime years. He also kept flawlessly for spin duo of saqlain n mushtaq. In the era of wasim, waq n shoaib (especially wasim n waqar) pakistan relied on batsmen getting bowled/lbw. So naturally no. of dismissals in wk name r less. And in the era of Rashid Latif, it was a see saw between him n moin, as moin khan was a superior/more dependable batsman than latif..

Come out of stats world...

Going by stats, Afridi may join 400 wickets club soon in ODI cricket. Does it make him same calibre as others in that list?
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Well said. Rashid Latif's positioning was magnificent. He made difficult catches look like regulation where other WKs have to dive full length for it and Latif took one handed diving catches which other keepers wouldn't get a hand to it and has terrific reflexes as well.

The Azharuddin catch in the 96 QF was on of the best I've seen. Moin wasn't a good two levels below as a WK but would get the nod for his batting.
 
Does anyone remember Salman in WI 2011? He was top notch against Ajmal and was hand picked by Latif.

However, he was average against pace and dreadful with the bat.
 
Mamoon said:
Well said. Rashid Latif's positioning was magnificent. He made difficult catches look like regulation where other WKs have to dive full length for it and Latif took one handed diving catches which other keepers wouldn't get a hand to it and has terrific reflexes as well.

The Azharuddin catch in the 96 QF was on of the best I've seen. Moin wasn't a good two levels below as a WK but would get the nod for his batting.
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For those who haven't seen Rashid Latif seen keep, take a look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UNdHARhh5Y (the quarterfinal catch that Mamoon mentioned)

Some other videos from youtube..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoE9P4Etl3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwvYmVTJZ2Q

But the above videos show nothing much than glimpses.. One can also find spectacular catches from Kamran Akmal when he was reminiscent of Latif in his young days. But after bad form hit him, he never ever recovered back fully.
 
cricwiz said:
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For those who haven't seen Rashid Latif seen keep, take a look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UNdHARhh5Y (the quarterfinal catch that Mamoon mentioned)

Some other videos from youtube..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoE9P4Etl3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwvYmVTJZ2Q

But the above videos show nothing much than glimpses.. One can also find spectacular catches from Kamran Akmal when he was reminiscent of Latif in his young days. But after bad form hit him, he never ever recovered back fully.
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http://tune.pk/video/3586276/blinder-rashid-latif-acrobatic-catch-against-india

for those where youtube not working
 
It's the vital drops (not to mention vital missed run outs and stumpings) that have let him down.


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Straight_Drive said:
What is so special about this catch? it was a good catch during the 90s but by today's standards it is like meh. Pakistan doesn't have any brilliant catches in their entire history so maybe that's why this is overhyped :misbah
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catching on Wiqi's pace need guts

oh yes indians cant understand the word pace................so sorry
 
cricwiz said:
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For those who haven't seen Rashid Latif seen keep, take a look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UNdHARhh5Y (the quarterfinal catch that Mamoon mentioned)

Some other videos from youtube..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoE9P4Etl3g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwvYmVTJZ2Q

But the above videos show nothing much than glimpses.. One can also find spectacular catches from Kamran Akmal when he was reminiscent of Latif in his young days. But after bad form hit him, he never ever recovered back fully.
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And this is why I consider him one of the biggest tragedies of Pakistan cricket. A young Kamran looked like the new Latif with the gloves but also a genuinely good batsman but like I said before, he didn't have the mentality to succeed at the top level which is more important than raw talent.
 
junaid.ahmed said:
if so, then plz see your's god records ag shoaib

it will humiliate 1250 millions
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Oh yeah glad that you brought that up.
Tendulkar played 19 ODIs against Shoiab -India won 10 , Pak 9 ( sachin 1, shoiab-0)
Tendulkar averages 45 at strike rate of 90+ in those matches while shoiab averages 31+ with the ball ( sachin 2, shoiab-0)
:misbah
 
[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] we know youre a Kami Fan but it doesnt mean hes the best WK . Yeah may be pre 2005-06 but defo not after that
 
Kamrans WK was very good up to the point of his Injury in England during 2006. At that point he was on course to be very good but after that he has been consistently shocking. His batting has generally been good and has got runs when they are needed( Karachi, Mohali etc). Moin Khan was a dreadful WK, so bad that in the 92 WC his WK was compared to that of David Boon(who after Healy got injured was Aus Emergency WK) but his batting was always good and always got runs when they were needed. Rashid was the best keeper to the fast bowlers but not so good with spinners and was a good bat until the back injuries took their toll. But tbh none were ever world class and certainly not Kami and Moin.
 
Straight_Drive said:
Oh yeah glad that you brought that up.
Tendulkar played 19 ODIs against Shoiab -India won 10 , Pak 9 ( sachin 1, shoiab-0)
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Sachin played against shoaib & india wons.............contest b/w shoaib & sachin and india won.....good

Tendulkar averages 45 at strike rate of 90+ in those matches while shoiab averages 31+ with the ball ( sachin 2, shoiab-0)
:misbah
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yeah shoaib is the only bowler in history of ODIs who bowled 50 overs in every match he played against india

check these links

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?184081-Shoaib-Akhtar-vs-Sachin-Tendulkar-Statistics

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ar-v-Shoaib-Akhtar-Full-Player-v-Player-Stats
 
junaid.ahmed said:
yeah shoaib is the only bowler in history of ODIs who bowled 50 overs in every match he played against india

check these links

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?184081-Shoaib-Akhtar-vs-Sachin-Tendulkar-Statistics

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ar-v-Shoaib-Akhtar-Full-Player-v-Player-Stats
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Lol those statistics don't mean anything because they don't have any source. You can check my stats on cricinfo
The fact of the matter is when both played against each other sachin managed to win more matches for his country than shoiab did for his.
Shoiab's job is to stop tendulkar from scoring runs and Tendulkar's job is to score runs
Tendulkar succeeded , Shoaib failed as can be seen from the stats :misbah
 
Saqi could easily have 50 more wickets in ODIs if moin wasnt kept the wicket or if he was as good as rashid was.

I remember number of times after moin missed out the catches/stump chances use to say shaaba saqi shaaba saqi koi ni koi ni
 
Straight_Drive said:
Lol those statistics don't mean anything because they don't have any source. You can check my stats on cricinfo
The fact of the matter is when both played against each other sachin managed to win more matches for his country than shoiab did for his.
Shoiab's job is to stop tendulkar from scoring runs and Tendulkar's job is to score runs
Tendulkar succeeded , Shoaib failed as can be seen from the stats :misbah
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atleast read those once
 
junaid.ahmed said:
atleast read those once
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I have read it, that is a stupid post because at the end of the day end result matters. I would have taken it more seriously if the OP mentioned any source but there is no source so we can't verify it.

And it is a stupid analysis anyways, at the end of the day tendulkar managed to score runs at a healthy strike rate and shoaib failed to stop him.

And in Pakistani terms Shoiab wasn't a match winner because Tendulkar won more matches against him :misbah
 
Straight_Drive said:
I have read it, that is a stupid post because at the end of the day end result matters. I would have taken it more seriously if the OP mentioned any source but there is no source so we can't verify it.

And it is a stupid analysis anyways, at the end of the day tendulkar managed to score runs at a healthy strike rate and shoaib failed to stop him.

And in Pakistani terms Shoiab wasn't a match winner because Tendulkar won more matches against him :misbah
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read it again until you grasp that
 
Sakss said:
[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] we know youre a Kami Fan but it doesnt mean hes the best WK . Yeah may be pre 2005-06 but defo not after that
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I know hence the question mark but whenever Akmal's name is mentioned people make it look like he's the worst thing ever happened to Pak cricket.This thread is just to show he's not as bad as people make it look like. Yes he has failed to fulfill his true potential. yes he hasn't been mentally strong enough to move on from one drop catch but these stats show he must have done some fine keeping to achieve all these dismissals. He has been an hoenst trier. Deserves more respect than he gets. It's not over for him yet. If he performs in domestic cricket as he is doing he can still make a comeback to the national side if there is a spot available.
 
MRSN said:
Despite all the droppings he has done well to achieve:

*Most numbers of Dismissals to his name.
*Most number of catches.
*2nd Best Dismissals per innings record.

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Every keeper around these days drops catches because of the great amount of cricket but the moment Kamran Akmal drops it becomes a crime. But that said he looked really flawless on his comeback for 20 or so games.
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Has anyone seen how the OP "skewed" statistics by including "combined ODI+ODI+Test" wicketkeeping, ignoring the fact that wicketkeepers like Wasim Bari, Moin Khan & Rashid Latif etc never played T20 cricket..
 
What an insult to rashid latif and waseem bari.

this drop machine I m pretty sure is a fixer as well.
 
Somebody please bump that epic thread. After Sydney 09 and Pallekele 11, I can't believe people have the gall to create such threads.
 
Mamoon said:
Does anyone remember Salman in WI 2011? He was top notch against Ajmal and was hand picked by Latif.

However, he was average against pace and dreadful with the bat.
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Yes. I like him since the first time the abn amro t20 was held in 2005 I think and Faisalabad won.

he was found out to be a poor batsman though
 
Moin Khan was called a man of crisis in his prime. Always played vital knocks to get Pakistan out of trouble. Whoever is calling him at par with Kamran with the gloves has no idea what he is talking about, he has not dropped 90 plus catches in his career. Latif skillwise was the best wicket keeper.

Kamran when he first came was very acrobatic and an excellent keeper. Kamran could have been the best but threw it away because he took his position in the team for granted and stopped working hard on his game.
 
MRSN said:
I know hence the question mark but whenever Akmal's name is mentioned people make it look like he's the worst thing ever happened to Pak cricket.This thread is just to show he's not as bad as people make it look like. Yes he has failed to fulfill his true potential. yes he hasn't been mentally strong enough to move on from one drop catch but these stats show he must have done some fine keeping to achieve all these dismissals. He has been an hoenst trier. Deserves more respect than he gets. It's not over for him yet. If he performs in domestic cricket as he is doing he can still make a comeback to the national side if there is a spot available.
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His pathetic wicket keeping has single handedly cost Pakistan games, he deserves to called out.
 
Savak said:
Moin Khan was called a man of crisis in his prime. Always played vital knocks to get Pakistan out of trouble. Whoever is calling him at par with Kamran with the gloves has no idea what he is talking about, he has not dropped 90 plus catches in his career. Latif skillwise was the best wicket keeper.

Kamran when he first came was very acrobatic and an excellent keeper. Kamran could have been the best but threw it away because he took his position in the team for granted and stopped working hard on his game.
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very gritty player. A street fighter he was called.

Notthe most acrobatic and wouldn't pull blinders but he never dropped dollies either. Safe keeper
 
Along with Agarkar and Afridi one of the finest examples of how stats can be misleading. Thanks OP, will bookmark this for future such conversations.
 
Mamoon said:
Well said. Rashid Latif's positioning was magnificent. He made difficult catches look like regulation where other WKs have to dive full length for it and Latif took one handed diving catches which other keepers wouldn't get a hand to it and has terrific reflexes as well.

The Azharuddin catch in the 96 QF was on of the best I've seen. Moin wasn't a good two levels below as a WK but would get the nod for his batting.
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Was magic. The celebrations after that put the fear of god inside me.
 
you have to add context to those stars.. Moin Khan, Rashid Lafit played in the times of Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Saqlain.. all those bowlers were wicket to wicket bowlers and got majority of their wickets by LBW and hitting the stump's

Akmal played with mostly people who bowl outside the stumps (Asif, Kaneria...) so he a lot more opportunities to take catches

he is a terrible keeper, and laughable that his keeping skills are even being compared to Latif or Moin
 
Straight_Drive said:
What is so special about this catch? it was a good catch during the 90s but by today's standards it is like meh. Pakistan doesn't have any brilliant catches in their entire history so maybe that's why this is overhyped :misbah
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Dhoni would not even have attempted that catch #justsaying
 
Calling Kamran Akmal best WK is an insult for Pakistani breed of keepers like Bari, Saleem Yousuf, Moin and Rashid!

His stats may be better than anyone else but that needs to be looked deeper into the kind of bowling or bowling lineups he was keeping to. Bowlers like Wasim and Waqar didn't require much assistance from the other players for their wickets.
 
He is probably the worst Pak keep I have seen. Plays mostly because he is a decent batsman.
 
Mamoon said:
Statistically yes, but actually, one of the worst WK ever.

Rashid Latif is the best WK I've seen play for Pakistan by miles and most people who have watched both, rate Rashid better than Wasim Bari.

Moin is vastly overrated. His keeping was on par with Kamran or maybe just a shade better while he was inferior with the bat. As a WK batsman, Kamran might be our best ever because Rashid and Bari were mediocre bats.

However, it doesn't say much about Kamran's quality because other than 2005-2007, he has been rubbish both as a WK and as a batsman.

One thing I'd like to say about Kamran, I don't agree that he's a poor WK. I have followed his career from his debut and I believe he's one of the most gifted WK I've seen HOWEVER, also, the most mentally fragile and weak cricketer.

He was brilliant with both the gloves and the bat till the England tour in 2006 where he had a shocker. It took him 2 years to recover and he had a very good 2009 both with the gloves and the bat (was top scorer across all 3 formats for the calender year) including the tour of NZ before the dreadful Australian tour happened.

When he came back before the World Cup, he was looking sharp again before the Ross Taylor drops destroyed him mentally again. He lacks the capacity to move on and refocus. You can see from his face how much a dropped catch bothers him and he drops most of them because he fears that he'll drop them - lack of self confidence.

All wicket keepers drop catches; I've seen Gilchrist, Boucher, Stewart, Dhoni, Latif, Sangakkara, Prior, Kaluwitharana, McCullum, Haddin, Parore etc etc etc all spill catches, but they are able to switch on and forget about it immediately.

This is why whenever he makes a return, he looks good with the gloves initially and people think he has improved but then he drops one catch and that's it. Also, he has hardly performed poorly with the gloves and then respond with the bat; as a confidence player, he needs to do well with the gloves to do well with the bat and vice versa.

There is no way back for him now and time to move on. He doesn't have the resilience to perform at this level and will go down as one of the many cricketers Pakistan has produced who failed to fulfill their potential and didn't do justice to their ability.
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Not sure who you spoke to, but everyone I know from that era who has watched both are quite unanimous in their assessment that Wasim Bari was a good notch and then some ahead of Latif. People are going gaga over one diving catch that Latif took of Azharuddin; Bari took several such catches in his career. If you actually view videos of Imran and Sarfraz bowling, you will note that the first slip always stood wider during those days. It was implied that anything that is to the right of the keeper and within his diving range is keeper's catch. Unlike Dhoni and others today that see the ball go right past them to the first slip. And even with those wider first slips, Bari took so many diving catches right in front on the first slip. His catches down the leg side diving and catching those with his wrong hand were pretty awesome too. Imran would have had a good 25-30 wickets less if he had any other keeper, including Latif. In addition, he was stupendous keeping to Qadir, Tauseef, and Qasim. He was light on his feet and had quick hands to effect amazing stumpings. I have watched them both play live and I testify my above statements to be true :-)
 
zubair007 said:
Not sure who you spoke to, but everyone I know from that era who has watched both are quite unanimous in their assessment that Wasim Bari was a good notch and then some ahead of Latif. People are going gaga over one diving catch that Latif took of Azharuddin; Bari took several such catches in his career. If you actually view videos of Imran and Sarfraz bowling, you will note that the first slip always stood wider during those days. It was implied that anything that is to the right of the keeper and within his diving range is keeper's catch. Unlike Dhoni and others today that see the ball go right past them to the first slip. And even with those wider first slips, Bari took so many diving catches right in front on the first slip. His catches down the leg side diving and catching those with his wrong hand were pretty awesome too. Imran would have had a good 25-30 wickets less if he had any other keeper, including Latif. In addition, he was stupendous keeping to Qadir, Tauseef, and Qasim. He was light on his feet and had quick hands to effect amazing stumpings. I have watched them both play live and I testify my above statements to be true :-)
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I haven't seen Bari keep so I cannot comment and will respect your assessment, but let me tell you another fact.

Around 80% of the people tend to overrate the past because of strong nostalgic emotions. With time, the great players become mythical legends and gain godly status who could do no wrong. Not talking about you, but I can guarantee you that majority of those who rate Bari more than Latif would do the opposite if Latif was in that era instead of Bari.

I have personally seen Latif keep and his footwork, reflexes and anticipation were all top notch and there's no evidence to suggest that he would have struggled against Imran and Qadir.
 
Rashid Latif was technically best WK for PAK, probably in between 1996 to 2000, he was the best (or 1 of 2) WK in world. He was physically in supreme shape as well for a WK. I haven't seen Bari to Keep, must be good, because IK rates him highly. However, his Test batting average is 15 & a good part of his career been at No. 10, even 11; tells about his batting. I don't think he was a better bat than Saqlain. Another WK, comes to my mind is Salim Yousuf, probably only 2nd to Doujon for a short period between 1986 to 1988, but he struggled against spinners & was a bit too tall for a WK. The KAkmal I saw in 2003 debuting against ZIM/SAF was a poor WK & a decent basher. But, in 2/3 years time, he improved his game tremendously - by 2005, he was indeed a top quality WK & a very good bat as well. In about 2-3 years time KA, had 2/3 top quality Test innings - innings that won or saved Test for PAK. Honestly speaking, had KA maintained his 2004 to 2006 standard for next 6-7 years, I would have undoubtedly rated him among top WKs (so did Ian Chappell), BUT, from ENG tour (2006), he started to put on weight, Inzi made sure that whatever, no other WK 'll come close to selection & instead of Keeping, KAkmal thought that he should focus on becoming a good ODI Opener - that was actually a reflection of PAK cricketers approach towards fielding. It's so unfortunate that someone like Mark Boucher groomed his career as a top quality WK under Woolmer, Akmal wasted his. Finally, Moin Khan - a truly pathetic WK & over hyped player, playing so many matches (Particularly Test) for PAK, just because he was street smart & had good links with people that mattered. Latif had his problems with Akram & Moin capitalized that - 1996 PAK tour of AUS was probably the worst ever display of a WK that I have seen (Including KAkmal). In fact, it went up to a level that Moin played as specialist bat & Latif kept wicket. Barring Umar, Kamran is easily the best WK Batsman from PAK, while Moin is easily the worst excluding part-timers like Taslim Arif or Aamer Malik.

What I have seen, on pure Keeping merit, my rating 'll be based on overall career

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Yousuf
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Julkarnain
Sarfaraz
Adnan
Kamran
Umar
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Moin.
 
wicketkeep batsman yes wicketkeeper no lol. Umar will be better then him if he keeps the gloves and his keeping is better then kamran
 
According to Ian Chappell in 2005 Kamran Akmal reminded him of Ian Gilly, a legendary wicket keeper batsman who was named after the two Aussie greats of yesteryear, but was never born :kakmal
 
Mamoon said:
I haven't seen Bari keep so I cannot comment and will respect your assessment, but let me tell you another fact.

Around 80% of the people tend to overrate the past because of strong nostalgic emotions. With time, the great players become mythical legends and gain godly status who could do no wrong. Not talking about you, but I can guarantee you that majority of those who rate Bari more than Latif would do the opposite if Latif was in that era instead of Bari.

I have personally seen Latif keep and his footwork, reflexes and anticipation were all top notch and there's no evidence to suggest that he would have struggled against Imran and Qadir.
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This is not to denigrate Latif in any way, I hate it when people try to bring down one player just to prop up another. Latif was a very good keeper for most part. One flaw that I saw in his keeping that I did not in Bari's was that you would never see the ball bounce in front of Bari. He was an excellent judge of the pace and bounce of the wicket. I can recall a few times where despite the low bounce, and even an under-edge not carrying to the keeper, he chose to stand where he was, not two steps forward. Bari adjusted his position after the first ball and would regularly collect most balls at waist height. He was not a good batsman, not at all comparable to the wicket-keeper batsmen of the modern times, but he held his own quite well just by his keeping. I loved the way Kirmani kept to Kapil/Ghavri, and the spin duo (Farukh Engineer kept to the spin quartet) of Bedi and Venkat, and Dilip Doshi later. But even though not by much, Bari was still better than Kirmani, and that's saying a lot.
 
Those stats don't reveal the number of chances he has missed.
 
Oh man!!! Whenever i see the title of this thread ... Simply cracks me up
(Even though OP is point has little bit of value purely in terms of magic of stats)
I just cant wrap my head around the title.
Reminds me of Kamran v/s Dhoni thread!!
:)))

How many of you guys share this feeling?
 
Is this a joke thread?
I mean where di you begin.
Sometimes numbers do not tell the whole story and that is not more evident in case of Kami's record. They guys has been day and night when you compare his first 5 years with his last 5.
 
How can he be rated the best keeper batsmen from Pakistan when apart from a yr n half period (04-05) hes been atrocious with the gloves through his career?
 
Kamran doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as someone like latif when it comes to keeping

Latif was athletic, agile and had soft hands, everything that Kamran the keeper doesn't posssess
 
Who's Pakistan most successful wicket-keeper across all formats in its entire history?

Most catches taken by a Pakistani Wicket Keeper in Different Formats

First Class (810) by Kamran Akmal
List A (357) by Kamran Akmal
T20s (123) by Kamran Akmal

Internationals (T20I+ODIs+Tests) (369) by Kamran Akmal
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He is the only WK from Asia who have taken 800+ catches in First Class games.
 
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And how many catches has he dropped? This is an example of how stats can be misleading.
 
One of the best dismissals per innings record all time...across all countries. People just like to hate.
 
hadi123 said:
And how many catches has he dropped? This is an example of how stats can be misleading.
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True, but it has another factor as well. A catch is considered "dropped", when it's touched - a dolly can drop between 2 fielders 2 yards apart & none attempts, it's not a drop technically.

Now, for a good part of career Kamran had a very good reflex (but, his body went into wrong shape gradually and he started to snatch balls), therefore he could reach lots of edges, dropped lot as well. Sarfraz is a safe player - doesn't attempt anything that's regulation and his reflex is also perfect for not dropping (technically) - leg sides snicks often reaches 30 yards circle, finally by the time Sarfraz positions his body. He was definitely not this bad at the start of career, but declined sharply in last 3/4 years, mainly because of shape & weight.
 
A fit and firing Kamran wipes the floor with Sarfraz, who would never be as good as Kamran was from 2004 to 2007.

Top, top WK batsman in his first two-three years. No wonder Ian Chappell compared him to Gilchrist during Pakistan's 2004-05 tour of Australia, I think that comment came after his hundred against West Indies in the VB series where he exhibited his full range of back-foot play on a bouncy pitch well beyond the capabilities of the other Pakistani batsmen.

It is a shame that he never recovered from the horror English summer in 2006. He had a mini resurgence in 2009, before the wheels came well and truly off in the Australia in 2009-10.
 
Say what you want about Kamran's past, but it's desperately unfair that he isn't selected for the national team considering his performances in the last 2 PSLs. I can't stand any of the Akmals, but if he's the top performer then that should be rewarded. Same is true for anyone. Also, speaks volumes of the rest of our batsmen that they cannot compete with Kamran in PSL where everyone has a level playing field. If he is so bad why can't our "star" batsmen who get selected over and over again outshine his performances?

Not saying to have him open in tests (although the way azhar ali is going that may come up soon). But he should absolutely be selected for the T20 team based on his PSL performances, and it should be up to captain/coach to figure out how to bring him in
 
The Kami lovers can agonize over his non-selection as much as they want! He is not coming back, make your peace with it.

Even if Sarfraz loses his spot (which is incredibly improbable right now) Micky will never have a 35+ individual in his team and that too who is nothing short of a wooden post in the field.

It would take Sarfraz's sacking, Micky's sacking + Inzamam giving in to political pressure for Kamran to be back!!

Not happening anytime soon.......
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
The Kami lovers can agonize over his non-selection as much as they want! He is not coming back, make your peace with it.

Even if Sarfraz loses his spot (which is incredibly improbable right now) Micky will never have a 35+ individual in his team and that too who is nothing short of a wooden post in the field.

It would take Sarfraz's sacking, Micky's sacking + Inzamam giving in to political pressure for Kamran to be back!!

Not happening anytime soon.......
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Just wait for WC 2019, If our team did not perform well. All of these will be sacked.
 
Think the likes of Rashid Latif and, in recent years, Adnan Akmal,are much better than Kami. Adnan was a pretty good wk even though he was a horrible batsman.
 
Ikball said:
Just wait for WC 2019, If our team did not perform well. All of these will be sacked.
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Still, almost a year and a half for this to happen! Also, a lot of things need to work in Kamran's favor in order for him to break into the team not to mention he needs to keep up his domestic form as well because just like there is a group lobbynig for Kamran Akmal, there is one who is lobbying against him as well!

So I don't realistically see it happening and for good measure!
 
Easily the best wicketkeeper batsman Pakistan has ever produced. But in terms of wicketkeeping alone, he is the worst of all.
 
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