IS Mega Discussion Thread

[archetype]

Isis rebels declare 'Islamic state' in Iraq and Syria


Jihadist militant group Isis has said it is establishing a caliphate, or Islamic state, on the territories it controls in Iraq and Syria.It also proclaimed the group's leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, as caliph and "leader for Muslims everywhere".Setting up a state governed under strict Islamic law has long been a goal of many jihadists.Meanwhile, Iraq's army continued an offensive to retake the northern city of Tikrit from the Isis-led rebels.The city was seized by the insurgents on 11 June as they swept across large parts of north-western Iraq.In a separate development, Israel called for the creation of an independent Kurdish state in response to the gain made by the Sunni rebels in Iraq.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28082962

 

[LongHorn]

wonder whether our resident Khilafa advocates have given ba'yah yet

 

[Barragan]

Isn't isis an egyptian goddess (aka the winged goddess)?

Spoiler

Weird!!

 

[CricketCartoons]

Just because a fringe group calls a small area its caliphate, doesn't make it one. The way the world is at present, there will be no caliphate for a 100 years at least.

 

[Saeed]

Few posts here are really childish, maybe reading a paragraph or two about previously established Caliphates might help. BTW does Khalifa tul Moslemeen know that their Taliban friends have different Caliph?

 

[dhump]

Keep this topic to discuss the situation and factual bits about this event do not turn it into religious debate any issue with moderation discuss in MRR forum.

 

[Saqs]

Lol at Israel wanting to have their say.

 

[Saeed]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28116846
Isis leader calls on Muslims to 'build Islamic state'

The leader of jihadist militant group Isis has called on Muslims to travel to Iraq and Syria to help build an Islamic state, in an audio message.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi called on Muslims to immigrate to the "Islamic State", saying it was a duty.

He made a "special call" for judges, doctors, engineers and people with military and administrative expertise.

Isis says it is forming an Islamic state, or caliphate, on the territories it controls in Iraq and Syria.

In an earlier audio recording this week, the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) proclaimed Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph and "leader for Muslims everywhere".

Ramadan
The central government in Baghdad has lost control of vast swathes of territory to Sunni militants, led by Isis, over the past month.

The group says its Islamic state will extend from Aleppo in northern Syria to Diyala province in eastern Iraq.

Setting up a state governed under strict Islamic law has long been a goal of many jihadists.
"Rush O Muslims to your state. Yes, it is your state. Rush, because Syria is not for the Syrians, and Iraq is not for the Iraqis," al-Baghdadi said in a new audio message on Tuesday.

"O Muslims everywhere, whoever is capable of performing hijrah (emigration) to the Islamic State, then let him do so, because hijrah to the land of Islam is obligatory," he added.

He also called on jihadist fighters to escalate fighting during the holy month of Ramadan, which began on Sunday.

"There is no deed in this virtuous month or in any other month better than jihad in the path of Allah, so take advantage of this opportunity and walk the path of you righteous predecessors," he said in the 19-minute audio message.

Little is known about the Isis chief, nicknamed "the invisible sheikh", who unlike al-Qaeda leaders such as Osama Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, does not appear in video messages.

In the message, he offered a long list of countries where he said violations were being committed against Muslims - from the Central African Republic to Myanmar (also known as Burma).

"By Allah, we will take revenge! Even if it takes a while, we will take revenge," he said.

Military wares
Isis paraded its military hardware in the Syrian city of Raqqa, as Jeremy Bowen reports
Isis said on Tuesday it had seized control of the Syrian city of Boukamal, on the border with Iraq. The group's leader also reportedly released more than 100 detainees it was holding in the northern Syrian town of Al-Bab.

Meanwhile, Isis militants have been seen in an online video parading across the northern city of Raqqa with weapons and military vehicles, including a Scud missile.

The Sunni insurgent advance across Iraqi towns and cities has plunged Iraq into its worst crisis since US troops left in 2011.

The United Nations has said at least 2,417 Iraqis, including 1,531 civilians, were killed in "acts of violence and terrorism" in June.

The figure does not include fatalities in the western province of Anbar, where the Iraqi authorities say 244 civilians died.

Does he really expect people to come to his state and live under it?

 

[zane_]

Reported ISIS Member Says They Will Destroy The Kaaba In Mecca

A reported member of the militant group Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), which recently dubbed itself simply as The Islamic State, has declared that they will destroy the Kaaba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, which is Islam's most holy site.

APA quoted alleged ISIS member Abu Turab Al Mugaddasi based on reports from Turkish media, who said on Twitter:

If Allah wills, we will kill those who worship stones in Mecca and destroy the Kaaba. People go to Mecca to touch the stones, not for Allah.

ISIS reportedly is planning to take over the city of Arar in Saudi Arabia, which is very close to the Iraq border. It is a fifteen-hour drive away from Mecca, the site of the Hajj pilgrimage which all observant Muslims are expected to do at least once.

If indeed the statement is from an ISIS member, it's a shocking one even for them, considering that ISIS has been attempting to increase recruitment from Muslims worldwide by declaring the restoration of an Islamic Caliphate.

According to John L. Esposito, Professor of Religion and International Affairs and of Islamic Studies at Georgetown University, "In terms of legitimacy- unless you're someone who's ready to join a terrorist group at this point, for the vast majority of Muslims there is no legitimacy with this group." This most recent threat reinforces Esposito's point, particularly as it comes during the holy month of Ramadan.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/01/isis-destroy-kaaba-mecca_n_5547635.html

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...estroy-kaaba-mecca-saudi-arabia/1/369415.html

 

[nafaiz]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28116846
Isis leader calls on Muslims to 'build Islamic state'

"The United Nations has said at least 2,417 Iraqis, including 1,531 civilians, were killed in "acts of violence and terrorism" in June".


Does he really expect people to come to his state and live under it?

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Seriously UN dont make fun of urself... if this is violence then ur baby (USA) killed 2,417,000 IRAQIS, including 1,531,000 CIVILIANS...
Wat did you do?... Iraq is an ancient country and the heart of civilization... In ancient times when Iraqis are more civilized you were eating dirts and mud... Just mind your own business, they know how to deal with it... You go to every country in the name of democracy to demolish and steel oil, come on first civilize US countrymen...

 

[archetype]

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Seriously UN dont make fun of urself... if this is violence then ur baby (USA) killed 2,417,000 IRAQIS, including 1,531,000 CIVILIANS...
Wat did you do?... Iraq is an ancient country and the heart of civilization... In ancient times when Iraqis are more civilized you were eating dirts and mud... Just mind your own business, they know how to deal with it... You go to every country in the name of democracy to demolish and steel oil, come on first civilize US countrymen...

yeah...how about a source for those numbers

 

[Fallen King]

The Islamic Caliphate will be prepared for Imam Mahdi (R.A) only; not for anyone besides Imam Mahdi (R.A). Suffice to say, better not hold on to ISIS Caliphate which is yet to be validate.

ISIS vows to destroy Holy Kaaba now. Does that sound like Caliphate to you? It is same group trained by USA in Jordan funded by Arab nations according to several reports. The game in middle east you cannot understand at all.

But from what i have understood, although i might be wrong, Allahu Alim.

They (ISIS, TTP and many more), in other words, Khawarjis, will be fighting for Sufiyani who will emerge to be most evil leader in the history of mankind, Allahu Alim, and Sufiyani will be fighting against Imam Mahdi (R.A). Remember that real Islamic Caliphate belongs to Imam Mahdi (R.A), descendent of the familyhood of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), not Sufiyani, and certainly not Dajjal, bear that in mind.

We were warned about deceptions by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Authentic Hadith, Allahu Alim, but what kind of deception will be made plain in clear for us in the future to come, Allahu Alim.

 

[Saeed]

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Seriously UN dont make fun of urself... if this is violence then ur baby (USA) killed 2,417,000 IRAQIS, including 1,531,000 CIVILIANS...
Wat did you do?... Iraq is an ancient country and the heart of civilization... In ancient times when Iraqis are more civilized you were eating dirts and mud... Just mind your own business, they know how to deal with it... You go to every country in the name of democracy to demolish and steel oil, come on first civilize US countrymen...

Bro, UN didn't really supported the illegal Iraq war. It was just 2 countries showing off their power, which shows that world needs to make UN more powerful then it already is.

 

[10sion]

The Islamic Caliphate will be prepared for Imam Mahdi (R.A) only; not for anyone besides Imam Mahdi (R.A). Suffice to say, better not hold on to ISIS Caliphate which is yet to be validate.

ISIS vows to destroy Holy Kaaba now. Does that sound like Caliphate to you? It is same group trained by USA in Jordan funded by Arab nations according to several reports. The game in middle east you cannot understand at all.

But from what i have understood, although i might be wrong, Allahu Alim.

They (ISIS, TTP and many more), in other words, Khawarjis, will be fighting for Sufiyani who will emerge to be most evil leader in the history of mankind, Allahu Alim, and Sufiyani will be fighting against Imam Mahdi (R.A). Remember that real Islamic Caliphate belongs to Imam Mahdi (R.A), descendent of the familyhood of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), not Sufiyani, and certainly not Dajjal, bear that in mind.

We were warned about deceptions by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Authentic Hadith, Allahu Alim, but what kind of deception will be made plain in clear for us in the future to come, Allahu Alim.

How authentic are the hadiths on Sufyani?

Also, the whole destroying kaaba was a tweet that came from a user residing in Saudi Arabia. No IS spokesperson/s has said such thing but of course the media will paint a story how it wants to paint instead of checking the source.

UPDATE 4:14 PM--
The Twitter account https://twitter.com/nm8smyh, which sent the original message, has been suspended. The authenticity of the account as belonging to an ISIS member has not been verified. -- Huffington post.

 

[Lords]

Reported ISIS Member Says They Will Destroy The Kaaba In Mecca



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/01/isis-destroy-kaaba-mecca_n_5547635.html

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...estroy-kaaba-mecca-saudi-arabia/1/369415.html

Hold on a second!! Isnt kaaba in mecca the most holy site in islam regardless of the sect you are from?

I thought its was a religious duty of every muslim to visit kaaba atleast once in their life time. Why would they destroy it and why would any muslim associate themselves with people with such mentality.

 

[KB-24]

The Islamic Caliphate will be prepared for Imam Mahdi (R.A) only; not for anyone besides Imam Mahdi (R.A). Suffice to say, better not hold on to ISIS Caliphate which is yet to be validate.

ISIS vows to destroy Holy Kaaba now. Does that sound like Caliphate to you? It is same group trained by USA in Jordan funded by Arab nations according to several reports. The game in middle east you cannot understand at all.

But from what i have understood, although i might be wrong, Allahu Alim.

They (ISIS, TTP and many more), in other words, Khawarjis, will be fighting for Sufiyani who will emerge to be most evil leader in the history of mankind, Allahu Alim, and Sufiyani will be fighting against Imam Mahdi (R.A). Remember that real Islamic Caliphate belongs to Imam Mahdi (R.A), descendent of the familyhood of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), not Sufiyani, and certainly not Dajjal, bear that in mind.

We were warned about deceptions by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Authentic Hadith, Allahu Alim, but what kind of deception will be made plain in clear for us in the future to come, Allahu Alim.

bro where in the ahadith it says that Imam Mahdi (as) will restore the Khilafah? It just says he'll be given bay'ah meaning a Khilafah would exist before him becoming Khalifah and that Khilafah will be on the method of Prophethood as prophecized in Musnad Ahmed.

 

[KB-24]

Regarding the announcement of ISIS of a Khilafah, the media spokesperson of Hizb ut Tahrir in Jordan, Mamdooh Qatishaat, said:

"It is nothing more than empty speech that does not add anything to the reality of ISIS. They were a militia before the announcement, and they are still a militia after the announcement."

He added:

"They do not have any real authority in Syria or Iraq, and they have not achieved any real security internally or externally. It is not possible for the Khilafah to exist without real authority on the earth. Therefore the announcement of ISIS is empty speech without substance, and no evidence or reality on the ground or resources."

And said:

"If any movement wishes to announce a Khilafah anywhere on earth, they are required to follow the method of Rasool Allah (saw) to achieve this objective, including having full, open, and clear authority over the land, securing it completely internally and externally. This land must also have the resources needed to set up a Khilafah. So how can this be a Khilafah when they aren't even a State with the resources and requirements necessary to begin with?"

He cited evidence from the life of Rasool Allah (saw), saying:

"The Islamic State in Madinah was under the complete authority of Rasool Allah (saw), and the internal and external security was completely under Islam. The Messenger of Allah (saw) would manage people's affairs, and lead the armies, and judge between people in their disputes, and send messengers, and meet them publicly - not in hiding -, and the State had all the necessary resources and requirements that a State needs in the region."

He said that the announcement of the Khilafah:

"...will not be a piece of news spread throughout the deceptive media. Rather it will be - by the Will of Allah (swt) - a resounding earthquake that will flip the political status quo on its head, and change history forever."

And ended by saying:

"The re-establishment of the Khilafah is a Fard on all Muslims. It is not a Fard on Hizb ut Tahrir alone. Whoever establishes it truthfully, they are to be followed (regardless of their group affiliation). The situation here is not so; they do not have the resources or requirements of a State, or real authority on the earth, or safety, or security. This announcement of ISIS is of no value or effect, and the Muslims are still responsible for continuing to work to re-establish the Khilafah until it is done."

 

[dhump]

Keep this topic to discuss the situation and factual bits about this event do not turn it into religious debate any issue with moderation discuss in MRR forum.

Which part of my post was not clear ?? As I see this turning into a religious debate.

 

[zane_]

This should settle the debate. ISIS and people who support them are a fitna that should be dealt with.

The Caliphate Fantasy
By KHALED DIABJULY 2, 2014

The jihadist insurgent group ISIS, or as it now prefers to be called, the Islamic State, appears well on the road to achieving its stated goal: the restoration of the caliphate. The concept, which refers to an Islamic state presided over by a leader with both political and religious authority, dates from the various Muslim empires that followed the time of the Prophet Muhammad. From the seventh century onward, the caliph was, literally, his “successor.”

The problem with this new caliphate, which, an ISIS spokesman claimed on Sunday, had been established under Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, an Islamist militant leader since the early days of the American occupation of Iraq, is that it is ahistorical, to say the least.

The Abbasid caliphate, for example, which ruled from 750 to 1258, was an impressively dynamic and diverse empire. Centered in Baghdad, just down the road from where ISIS is occupying large areas of Iraq, the Abbasid caliphate was centuries ahead of Mr. Baghdadi’s backward-looking cohorts. Abbasid society during its heyday thrived on multiculturalism, science, innovation, learning and culture — in sharp contrast to ISIS’ violent puritanism. The irreverent court poet of the legendary Caliph Harun al-Rashid (circa 763-809), Abu Nuwas, not only penned odes to wine, but also wrote erotic gay verse that would make a modern imam blush.

Centered on the Bayt al-Hikma, Baghdad’s “House of Wisdom,” the Abbasid caliphate produced notable advances in the sciences and mathematics. The modern scientific method itself was invented in Baghdad by Ibn al-Haytham, who has been called “the first true scientist.”

With such a proliferation of intellectuals, Islam itself did not escape skeptical scrutiny. The rationalist Syrian scholar Abu’l Ala Al-Ma’arri was an 11th-century precursor of Richard Dawkins in his scathing assessments of religion. “Do not suppose the statements of the prophets to be true,” he thundered. “The sacred books are only such a set of idle tales as any age could have and indeed did actually produce.”

It is this tolerance of free thought, not to mention the supposed decadence of the caliph’s court, that causes Islamist radicals to hark back to an earlier era, that of Muhammad and his first “successors.” But even these early Rashidun (“rightly guided”) caliphs bear little resemblance to jihadist mythology. Muhammad, the most “rightly guided” of all, composed a strikingly secular document in the Constitution of Medina. It stipulated that Muslims, Jews, Christians and even pagans had equal political and cultural rights — a far cry from ISIS’ punitive attitude toward even fellow Sunnis who do not practice its brand of Islam, let alone Shiites, Christians or other minorities.

How did this ideological fallacy of the Islamist caliphate come about?

In the late 19th century, Arab nationalists were great admirers of Western societies and urged fellow Muslims, in the words of the Egyptian reformer Rifa’a al-Tahtawi, to “understand what the modern world is.” Many not only admired Europe and America but also believed Western pledges to back their independence from the Ottoman Empire.

The first reality check came when Britain and France carved up the Middle East following World War I. Disappointed by the old powers, Arab intellectuals still held out hope that the United States, which had not yet entered Middle Eastern politics in earnest, would live up to its image as a liberator.

But after World War II, America filled the void left by France and Britain by emulating its imperial predecessors. It avoided direct rule but propped up a string of unpopular autocrats. This resulted in an abiding distrust of Western democratic rhetoric.

Then there was the domestic factor. The failure of revolutionary pan-Arabism to deliver its utopian vision of renaissance, unity and freedom led to a disillusionment with secular politics. At the same time, the corruption and subservience to the West of the conservative, oil-rich monarchs turned many Arabs against the traditional deferential model of Islam.

Out of this multilayered failure, which often included the brutal suppression of both secular oppositionists and moderate Islamists, emerged a nihilistic fundamentalism, which claimed that contemporary Arab society had returned to the pre-Islamic “Jahiliyyah” (an “age of ignorance”). The only way to correct this was to declare jihad not only against foreign “unbelievers,” but also against Arab society itself in order to create a pure Islamic state — one that has only ever existed in the imaginations of modern Islamic extremists. These Islamists misdiagnose the weakness and underdevelopment of contemporary Arab society as stemming from its deviation from “pure” Islamic morality, as if the proper length of a beard and praying five times a day were a substitute for science and education, or could counterbalance global inequalities.

The wholesale destruction of Iraq’s political, social and economic infrastructure triggered by the American-led invasion created a power vacuum for these “takfiri” groups — first Al Qaeda and then the more radical ISIS — to fill. Despite the latter’s recent battlefield success, however, there is little support for the jihadists or appetite for their harsh strictures among the local populations, a fact reflected by the 500,000 terrified citizens who fled Mosul.

Even in the more moderate model espoused by the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist dream of transnational theocratic rule appeals to a dwindling number of Arabs. Only last week, Moroccan women showed their contempt for the conservative prime minister, Abdelilah Benkirane, by converging on Parliament armed with frying pans after he’d argued that women should stay in the home.

Rather than a caliphate presided over by arbitrarily appointed caliphs, subjected to a rigid interpretation of Shariah law, millions of Arabs strive simply for peace, stability, dignity, prosperity and democracy. Three turbulent years after the Arab revolutions, people still entertain the modest dream of one day having their fair share of “bread, freedom, social justice,” as the Tahrir Square slogan put it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/03/opinion/the-caliphate-fantasy.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

 

[Saeed]

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/07/03/uk-saudi-iraq-border-idINKBN0F80IP20140703
Saudi Arabia deploys 30,000 soldiers to border with Iraq - al-Arabiya TV

(Reuters) - Saudi-owned al-Arabiya television said Saudi Arabia had deployed 30,000 soldiers to its border with Iraq on Thursday after Iraqi forces abandoned the area, but Baghdad denied pulling forces back and said it remained in full control of its frontier.

Saudi Arabia, the world's top oil exporter, shares an 800-km (500-mile) desert border with Iraq, where Islamic State insurgents and other Sunni Muslim militant groups seized towns and cities in a lightning advance last month.

The U.S.-allied kingdom overcame its own al Qaeda insurgency almost a decade ago and is wary of any new threat from radical Sunni Islamists.

The Dubai-based al-Arabiya said on its website that Saudi troops had fanned out into the border region after Iraqi government forces withdrew from their positions, leaving the Saudi and Syrian frontiers exposed.

It aired a video which, it said, showed some 2,500 Iraqi soldiers in the desert region east of the Iraqi city of Kerbala after pulling back from the border, which is reinforced on the Saudi side by a system of fences. An officer in the video said that the soldiers had been ordered to quit their posts without justification. The authenticity of the recording could not immediately be verified.

However, the Iraqi prime minister's military spokesman, Lieutenant General Qassim Atta, told reporters in Baghdad: "This is false news aimed at affecting the morale of our people and the morale of our heroic fighters."

He said the frontier, which runs through largely empty desert, was "fully in the grip" of Iraqi border troops.

Saudi Arabia's Interior Ministry security spokesman, Major General Mansour Turki, said: "We have not experienced any insecurity close to our border, and our border is secured and protected long before the latest events in Iraq."

The state news agency SPA said King Abdullah had ordered all necessary measures to protect the kingdom against potential "terrorist threats".

Diplomatic sources in the Gulf say Saudi Arabia's border with Iraq is relatively well defended, but that its frontier with Jordan might provide an easier route for any militants trying to enter Saudi Arabia from Iraq.

 

[godzilla]

What's then point In spending billions of dollars on arms if they can't use them?

 

[Firebreaker]

That's scary

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Who is behind Isis's terrifying online propaganda operation?
The extremist jihadist group leading the insurgency against the Iraqi government is using apps, social media and even a feature-length movie to intimidate enemies, recruit new followers and spread its message. And its rivals – including foreign governments – are struggling to keep up


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/who-behind-isis-propaganda-operation-iraq

That is kind of funny.

 

[Saeed]

To stop ISIS, help the Syrian rebels that America has forsaken

Jamal Maarouf was a construction worker before the Syrian Revolution. When protests began, he organized large demonstrations in the mountain villages near his hometown. He later took up arms to battle regime forces, and soon commanded a battalion of 7,000 fighters. This January, Maarouf led a coalition of moderate Syrian rebels that routed the extremist group Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, from his province.
Six months later, ISIS has gone on to seize Iraq’s second city of Mosul. Iraqi Army troops that were trained for years by US forces simply fled the battlefield, leaving ISIS in control of advanced military hardware and vast weapons stores. Now ISIS is consolidating its control west of Baghdad, and could soon threaten the Iraqi capital or the oil-rich areas further south.
President Obama recently dismissed as “fantasy” the idea that Syrian “farmers, dentists and folks who have never fought before” could defeat both Syria’s Assad regime and the extremists like ISIS. Yet Syrians like Jamal Maarouf, who never fought before the revolution, have a better record against ISIS than US-trained Iraqi forces.
You see, Syria’s revolutionary farmers and dentists have a secret weapon, one that has allowed them to fight both Assad and the extremists even without sufficient arms: motivation.
Before the January offensive against ISIS, ordinary residents across rebel areas held massive anti-ISIS protests, inspiring mainstream Syrian rebels to form new coalitions that took the fight to the extremists. These outgunned rebels succeeded where well-armed Iraqi troops failed because they’re fighting for a cause widely supported by the civilians behind them, and they’re fighting for their own land.
Had the Obama administration armed these rebels at their peak, instead of merely declaring repeatedly that Bashar al-Assad’s fall was inevitable, there would likely be no ISIS today. Two years ago, Syrian rebels were making gains against the regime by the day. ISIS didn’t exist, and Syrian al Qaeda affiliate Jabhat Nusra claimed at most 1,500 combatants.
But global al Qaeda supporters gave Nusra superior weapons and funding, a step Obama has yet to truly take on behalf of mainstream rebels. As a consequence, Nusra grew stronger, and was later surpassed by the even more radical ISIS.
Syrian rebels are fighting a true two-front war. As they threatened ISIS’ main headquarters in January, Assad launched a vicious campaign of air raids on them that virtually emptied the largest city in northern Syria of civilians. That assault saved ISIS.
Now, after the fall of Mosul, regime bombers have finally launched air raids on the ISIS headquarters — but air power alone can’t really threaten it. Assad’s move is just a public-relations ploy — an effort to get Washington to support the regime as the best hope of stopping ISIS.
More relevant are events in eastern Syria: The ISIS attack on Mosul was launched from eastern Syria, in particular from the banks of the Khabur River, which was in Syrian rebel hands as recently as three months ago.
Now ISIS has returned to Syria with the US-made weapons it looted from Mosul, and threatens the city of Deir Ezzor, the largest population center in eastern Syria and a longtime rebel stronghold. If ISIS takes Deir Ezzor, it could launch an ever more catastrophic assault on Baghdad or southern Iraq without fear of attacks from its rear. Deir Ezzor City is now under a de facto joint siege by ISIS forces in the north and Assad forces in the south.
ISIS is also gaining in other rebel areas. On June 20, a man named Slah al-Quseir al-Musa was killed defending the strategic town of Mohassan from ISIS.
A university student when the revolution began, al-Musa left his studies to become a top protest leader and then rebel commander in Deir Ezzor. He died alongside four senior commanders of the US-endorsed Free Syrian Army, after refusing ISIS’ surrender terms.
Many other rebel leaders across eastern Syria have made the same calculation: They would rather die than see ISIS in their hometowns. As many as 7,000 Syrians have been killed since January fighting against ISIS.
Though more outgunned than ever, these rebels rely on motivation — that secret weapon of Syrian farmers, dentists and students — to bring victory despite impossible odds. They shouldn’t have to.
President Obama recently announced a $500 million “train-and-equip” program for moderate Syrian rebels, and this is most welcome. But rebels might be long gone from eastern Syria before the program clears Congress. Commanders tell me that the weapons most needed are what the United States has already provided on a very limited basis, such as TOW missiles.
If the president is serious about stopping ISIS, let alone aiding moderate Syrian rebels, he should use his executive authority to get these weapons now to the farmers, dentists, and students of eastern Syria.
Mohammed Alaa Ghanem is senior political adviser for the Syrian American Council, a board member of the Coalition for a Democratic Syria and a fellow at the Syrian Center for Political and Strategic Studies.

http://nypost.com/2014/07/06/to-stop-isis-help-the-syrian-rebels-that-america-has-forsaken/

 

[Saeed]

Senior Iraqi Commander Killed in Shelling

A senior Iraqi army commander has been killed in fighting west of the capital, Baghdad.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's office identified him Monday as Major General Negm Abdullah Ali, commander of Iraq's sixth division.

The statement said he was hit by shelling in Ibrahim bin Ali, an area that is about halfway between Baghdad and the western city of Fallujah.

Iraq has been trying to counter a surge by Islamist militants, who have taken control of large areas in northern and western Iraq, including Fallujah.

The fighters from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant captured much of the territory in June. The month was extraordinarily deadly for Iraqi security forces, with 886 military personnel being killed - more than the first five months of the year combined.

U.N. data released last week showed 7,160 civilian and military deaths from terrorism and violence in the first half of 2014, compared to about 9,000 deaths in all of 2013.

http://www.voanews.com/content/senior-iraqi-commander-killed-in-shelling/1952092.html
While Saudi arabia got attacked from Yemeni side few days ago.

At least six people, including a suicide bomber and two security officers, were killed at a Saudi-Yemeni border crossing on Friday in attacks that highlighted the threat posed by militants to the security of both nations. Gunmen killed the commander of a border patrol on the Saudi side of the Wadia border post and security forces then killed three of the attackers in an ensuing firefight, said the Saudi state news agency SPA. A Yemeni official said the gunmen, believed to be Al Qaeda militants, had escaped into Saudi Arabia after their attack. Separately, Yemen’s state agency Saba reported that a suicide bomber had driven a car filled with explosives into the Yemeni side of the Wadia border crossing, killing himself and one soldier and wounding another. Saudi Arabia has long viewed its 1,100-mile border with Yemen as a major security challenge and since 2003 has been building a fence to deter militants and criminals, but work has often been interrupted by protesting tribesmen who say it prevents them accessing pastures for their livestock. In May, Saudi Arabia said it had detained 62 people suspected of links to radicals in Syria and Yemen who were plotting attacks in the kingdom.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/05/world/middleeast/yemen-at-least-6-die-as-saudi-border-post-is-attacked.html Not looking good for Middle East.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Isn't isis an egyptian goddess (aka the winged goddess)?

Spoiler

View attachment 46007

Weird!!

Well they are just laughing their backsides off at the sheep out there.

ISIS is a CIA trained outfit, trained in Jordan for the last few years. It has been occuyping Fallujah for many months before this show began.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-jordan-base/5387532

Their so called leader and the new Caliph was held by the US. Obviously now an agent doing their bidding.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...over-of-Mosul-and-how-America-let-him-go.html

Israel has said let ISIS do what they need to do while the US did not send Iraq any jets and have not bombed them with their drones.

800 fighters cannot make 30,000 soldiers retreat. The iraqi army was ordered to retreat.

Nato has been inciting secterian voilence in Iraq for many years now, this is just another step to increase it.

 

[Madplayer]

this takeover of isis by establishing a so called (forced) "caliphate" would serve only one purpose. officially bring all muslims (atleast of the region) under one flag of "the enemies of the west" and give a license to the forces with vested interests to carry on and amplify their efforts against the muslim world.
i dont know whether they are agents of america or not but they are certainly performing all the tasks which america would like them to perform

 

[Saeed]

What are Iraqis or Middle Easters, little kids? Why is it so easy to for other countries to manipulate them and make them kill their own?

 

[Saeed]

What Life Is Like in Iraq's City of Mosul Under ISIS Rule

When Sunni extremists seized control of Iraq’s second-largest city, many feared the militants would brutally brandish their new-found power and exert a reign of horror on the residents of Mosul.

One month later, it appears that most in the city are far from terrified, their biggest complaint a lack of electricity rather than explosive violence.

“We all thought ISIS fighters will hurt people, but they did not do so,” said shop owner Fahad, referring to militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS). “It is 100 percent safe here. The only thing we suffer from is the lack of public services.”
ISIS overran Mosul on June 10, marking the first of many key victories for the fighters in a lightning offensive through Iraq. The assault triggered an exodus of refugees, with many Shiites fleeing northern Iraq amid fears of sectarian violence at the hands of the Sunni extremists.
While many Shiites left Mosul, those who stayed behind are being treated “just like Sunnis – in a very good way,” insisted Fahad, a 30-year-old Sunni who asked that NBC News only use his first name.

Fahad said he and others initially feared for the safety of their female relatives at the hands of the violent militants.

“We prepared to defend our houses and families, but after a while, we started to see the truth,” he said. “They did not rape a single woman, they did not force people to leave their houses and did not chase innocent people - except those who are wanted.”
Shortly after capturing Mosul, ISIS fighters roamed the city handing out leaflets warning residents away from smoking and drinking alcohol, and promising that lawbreakers would be dealt with under Islamic law, according to The Associated Press. Women also were told to stay home as much as possible.

But ISIS has largely held off on enforcing the group’s strict interpretation of Islamic law, according to residents.

“They announced that it is not allowed to smoke cigarettes and shisha, but in the evening, young men go to a park where they smoke shisha,” Fahad explained. “But, they removed all pictures of women away from the streets and markets,” taking down billboards and advertisements, he added.

ISIS met little resistance from Iraq's million-strong U.S.-trained army when the group launched its assault. Many soldiers fled their posts, shedding uniforms and weapons as they ran. Since then, the militants have given Iraqi soldiers the option to give up and repent for fighting against them, according to Fahad.
“They asked the soldiers in the beginning to give up, promising them that they will take their weapons and set them free,” Fahad said. “Some soldiers did that, and ISIS fighters kept their promise and set them free. For those soldiers who refused, they were killed."

The security forces under Iraq’s Shiite-dominated government have drawn repeated criticism for a heavy-handed approach that has alienated Sunnis – an experience echoed by Fahad.

“I prefer to live under the rule of ISIS,” he told NBC News.

After their initial embarrassing rout, the Iraqi security forces are trying to regroup and reclaim territory from the fighters.

When cellphone services dropped out last week, many Mosul residents thought warplanes might have targeted communication towers, according to Jamal, a Sunni journalist living in the city. Then news came in from the city’s big mosque: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of ISIS, was there.

“After he finished the ceremony, he left the mosque, and nothing happened,” Jamal said. “After that, it was another normal day in Mosul.”
There are some signs in Mosul that ISIS is working to set up the infrastructure for its recently declared caliphate, or Islamic state.

The fighters have set up shop in empty houses and organized “interrogation departments” and prisons, Jamal said.

“They started to take former Iraqi high-ranking officers into unknown places,” he added. “There are rumors that they want those officers to help them in putting military plans to defend Mosul ... Still the reason behind taking those officers is unknown.”

"The city of Mosul now looks like a city of ghosts"

Still, he said the main improvements ISIS has made are the removal of cumbersome concrete blast walls and the opening up of previously closed-off streets.

“People here are living under difficult conditions, because of the lack of public services, especially power,” Jamal added.

One byproduct of the electricity cuts is that shop owners and market vendors have slashed prices of some items: there is no power to turn on their fridges and some food cannot be saved for the next day.

But many of Mosul’s residents held government jobs, according to Jamal, and since ISIS took over have not received their pay.

With no money to buy what they need, many Mosul residents have simply stopped going out, Jamal said.

“The city of Mosul now looks like a city of ghosts.”

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/what-life-iraqs-city-mosul-under-isis-rule-n151461

 

[KB-24]

3 Things You Need to Know About ISIS
By Bilal Abdul Kareem


I got to know ISIS fighters in Syria pretty good, after all I spent much of the past two years filming and documenting a range of foreign fighters for several TV channels. I can understand why some would be confused about ISIS as Muslims are very sceptical of what they see in the news media. Some wonder if it is a conspiracy against well intending Muslim fighters. I can appreciate their hesitancy. As a journalist I follow the media very closely and all we need do is look at the awful media coverage of the Gaza events to know that something is seriously wrong with mainstream media. Is this another case of such?
For easy reading I have listed 3 reasons why I believe ISIS has poisoned the Syrian revolution.

#1 Support of the People

In all honesty without any holding back of the truth, the Syrian people who lived within their territories and those who lived outside of their territories absolutely hated ISIS. Most of them felt that they had merely traded in a tyrant in Bashar Al Asad for another tyrant in ISIS. They felt they were second class citizens in their own country. Most people don’t realise but ISIS is 95% foreign fighter. They would walk the streets and look down on the average Syrian and many of them wouldn’t return the “salaam” if greeted as they didn’t see many of the Syrians as Muslims. Yes it’s true that Syrians in general like their cigarettes, music videos, and other stuff they should leave alone but to consider them non-Muslims??? This is very far. Why is it that Syrians don’t join ISIS? Jabha Islamiyya, Jabha An Nusra, and all the other Islamic groups are predominantly Syrian with a minority mix of foreign fighters. Why not ISIS? It is because ISIS terrorised the indigenous people and no one wanted them in their country let alone join them. Their prisons were full of weak Syrians who ran afoul of their corrupt ideology. Where are those Syrians who are supposed to be cheering on the “rise” of ISIS? I don’t know of any who are.

#2 Fighting Fellow Mujaahideen

ISIS fighters in Syria are not on one single front line against Bashar Asad’s army in Syria. I know this is a shock to many who have fallen prey to the nasheed and heroic youtube videos featuring ISIS fighters but after having spent much time throughout the country I can tell you with certainty that all of their resources that well intending Muslim donors have given them are being used to fight their fellow Mujaahideen. They are no threat at all to Asad’s forces as they are not fighting them ANYWHERE in Syria. For fear of not wanting to get my account closed on Facebook I would show you pictures of how they beheaded Mujaahid fighters from Ahrar Asham, Jabha An Nusra and other groups fighting the Asad regime. How ugly is it to see the heads of bearded Muslim fighters on the floor with an ISIS fighter posing over them holding a knife and one finger in the air as if he killed these young men for the sake of Allaah. ISIS felt that ONLY they were serious about bringing Islam to the people and no one else was. Therefore they eagerly spilled the blood of those who had fought numerous battles against regime forces.
While 95% of ISIS consists of foreign fighters, it doesn’t mean that 95% of the foreign fighters have gone to ISIS. Most of the foreigners do not go to ISIS. The news media wants the people at large to believe that as it fits their narrative that “foreign fighters are a threat to their home country” narrative. Actually ISIS made things very difficult for the foreign fighters in Syria as they unlawfully imprisoned, killed, and endangered the lives of the Syrian people. Thus some of the Syrians began to dislike ALL foreign fighters due to ISIS actions as they couldn’t tell who was and who wasn’t ISIS.

#3 Support of the Scholars and People of Influence

There is not ONE scholar who came out in support of ISIS and it’s leader’s claim to khilafah. Actually it is just the opposite, they all came out in unison denouncing the claim to the caliphate in specific and the movement in general. ISIS has been denounced by several Shaykhs who are respected by people of Jihad like Shaykh Abu Muhammad Al Maqdisi, Shaykh Abdullaah AL Muhaysini, and Shaykh Abu Qatada, not to mention a huge rebuke from Ayman Zawahiri and his demand for them to pack up their operation in Syria as well.
A small amount of Muslims around the world have an apocalyptic view of how things should be and ISIS seems to suit them just fine. They feel that ISIS is on the truth simply due to the fact that the news media and the masses are against them. This can in no way be used as a proof. The world at large is against rapists, murderers, and thieves too. Can we say that they are on the truth simply because they are fiercely opposed?

How could we as Muslims not scorn a movement that has:
*NO SUPPORT OF THE COMMON PEOPLE IN THEIR LOCALE
*NO SUPPORT OF THE OTHER MUJAAHIDEEN FIGHTERS
*NO SUPPORT OF A SINGLE KNOWN SCHOLAR
Is it likely a group like this could bring benefit to the lives of the Muslims they would lead in their local area? Therefore is it likely they could bring peace and unification to the Muslims around the world? Or is it more likely that they would bring more disunity, destruction, and chaos?

Conclusion

A total lack of wisdom from this group led by Abu Bakr Baghdadi is what has hurt the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people. Foreign fighters along with their Syrian counterparts were a big reason for the taking of huge swaths of territory during this revolution and the regime feared that mix. Notice that much territory was being taken in Iraq by Sunni forces (falsely stated that ISIS is the head of them-but that’s another story!). Also, notice that those advances have all but stopped as soon as the news broke of this new “Khalifah”. At best I think we can only say that Baghdadi’s group is sorely lacking people of wisdom in their ranks and in no way can be branded “saviours” of the Muslim nation in any way

 

[Bashira_taeli]

ISIS PARODY ON PALESTINIAN TV DEPICTS JIHADISTS AS ALLIES OF ISRAEL

The rifts between jihadists fighting Israel in Palestine and the surging jihadist group The Islamic State (formerly the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham: ISIS), appear to be growing. In a comedy sketch for Palestine's Al-Filistiniya TV, ISIS jihadists are depicted as incompetent, slightly gay, and welcoming of English-speaking Jews.

The clip, translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, appears to depict a day in the life of two ISIS jihadists manning a checkpoint in an unspecified Middle Eastern location. As individuals attempt to pass through, they harass each one in turn.
The first man, a Lebanese Muslim, appears at first to be safe from their wrath. He is so devout that he claims not to watch television: "It is haram." The ISIS jihadists well-versed in Lebanese geography and even reminisce about their lives there. One of the jihadists, implying that he now engages in homosexual activity exclusively with other ISIS jihadists, tells the Lebanese man, "Back in the day, before I became an ISISsy, I used to spend time with the gals on Al-Jumayza Street." He disagrees with the man that another street closer to him has better women: "too old-fashioned."
The chit-chat ends with the jihadists suddenly killing the man for allegedly forgetting two prayers at the mosque.

The second man who approaches is asked an impossibly obscure doctrinal question about Islam. It is only implied he is Muslim, as his response to the question is "just shoot me." They do."

When they encounter a Christian, who claims to be named "Peach," they spend so much time arguing over who gets to kill him that the man dies of an apparent heart attack, depriving both jihadists of the blessings they would have received if they would have shot him instead.
The punchline? The last man they cross-- who can only speak English and openly admits to being Israeli-- is allowed to pass without incident. "You're welcome," the jihadist says.

The last bit highlights some tensions between ISIS and other jihadist groups that have become especially prominent in the current escalation of violence between Israel and Palestine. In response to Israel's "Operation Protective Edge," ISIS released a statement declaring that they were simply too busy killing fellow Muslims to bother with a war on Jewish people. "The greatest answer to this question is the Qur'an, where Allah speaks about the nearby enemy--those Muslims who have become infidels--as they are more dangerous than those which were already infidels," explained an ISIS spokesman on Twitter, who was not identified.

While the sketch is clearly offensive to the sensibilities of ISIS jihadists, they have proven not to shy away from comedy, so long as it promotes jihad. ISIS jihadists have mocked both Michelle and Barack Obama, tried to recruit Argentine superstar soccer player Lionel Messi, and used pictures of jihadists cradling kittens and other small animals to promote their cause.


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[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good to see the beleaguered Palestinians still have time to post satirical propaganda on youtube.

 

[Saeed]

ISIS making $1m a day from sales of crude oil

Oil industry experts believe the group, formerly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (Isis), is able to command $25 (€18.40) a barrel for the crude that its fighters are selling from the oil plains around Mosul.

Middlemen based in the Kurdistan region of Iraq are able to turn a handsome profit on the supplies by smuggling the tankers abroad for refining.

The specialist Iraqi Oil Report said the centre of the $1m trade was the town of Tuz Khurmatu on the fringes of the Kurdish region. Traders there are buying convoys of tankers supplied by Islamic State.

Shwan Zulal, an Iraqi oil industry analyst, said Islamic State was using its control of a 150-mile swathe of territory to loot crude from some of Iraq's prime oil assets.

The swift advance of the group after last month's conquest of Mosul gave it control over the path of the Kirkuk/Ceyhan oil pipeline, the country's biggest, and the Baiji oil refinery, the most important in Iraq.

Siphoning

"In some ways it's as easy for Isis as digging a hole and letting the oil run before siphoning it off into tankers for transportation and Baiji is a huge complex that it may not fully control but it can take supplies," said Mr Zulal of Carduchi Consulting. "The situation allows for Isis to do some sh-rewd business."

Islamic State has also claimed to have taken Syria's Euphrates Oil Company fields.

Hassan Hassan, a Gulf-based expert, reported that Islamic State had been able to reduce the price of petrol on the streets of Deir al-Zour by three-quarters after securing the loyalty of the rebel town's militias last week.

Iraq's exports recently rose to almost three million barrels a day, just above the level before the 2003 invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

Almost all exported crude oil is pumped out of oilfields in the Shia-dominated south of the country and has been unaffected by Islamic State advances. (©Daily Telegraph, London)

Irish Independent
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/world-new...-crude-oil-30425882.html#sthash.Qu5h9D9K.dpuf

Now that is a lot of money and even Pakistani Government doesn't have the intelligence to make that much.

 

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[Gabbar Singh]

Things were already pretty dire for Christians in Iraq and now this. Ironically under Saddam the Christian community in Iraq had no problems - then 2 religious nutters called Bush and Blair got involved and the rest is history.

Convert, pay tax, or die, Islamic State warns Christians

Insurgents issue ultimatum to Iraq's dwindling Christian population to abide by 'dhimma' contract or face the sword

Islamist insurgents have issued an ultimatum to northern Iraq's dwindling Christian population to either convert to Islam, pay a religious levy or face death, according to a statement issued by the Islamic State (Isis) and distributed in the militant-controlled city of Mosul. The al-Qaida offshoot that led last month's lightning assault to capture swathes of northern Iraq said the ruling would come into effect on Saturday.

In the statement, Isis said Christians who wanted to remain in the "caliphate" declared earlier this month in parts of Iraq and Syria must agree to abide by terms of a "dhimma" contract – a historic practice under which non-Muslims were protected in Muslim lands in return for a special levy known as "jizya". "We offer them three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract – involving payment of jizya; if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword," the announcement said.

A resident of Mosul said the statement, issued in the name of the Islamic State in Iraq's northern province of Nineveh, had been distributed on Thursday and read out in mosques. It said that Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, which the group has now named Caliph Ibrahim, had set a Saturday deadline for Christians who did not want to stay and live under those terms to "leave the borders of the Islamic Caliphate". "After this date, there is nothing between us and them but the sword," it said.

The Nineveh decree echoes one that the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, the former name for the Islamic State, issued in the Syrian city of Raqqa in February, demanding that Christians pay the jizya levy in gold and curb displays of their faith in return for protection.

The concept of dhimma, governing non-Muslims living under Islamic rule, dates back to the early Islamic era in the seventh century, but was largely abolished during the Ottoman reforms of the mid-19th century.

Mosul, once home to diverse faiths, had a Christian population of around 100,000 a decade ago, but waves of attacks on Christians since the 2003 US-led invasion to topple Saddam Hussein have seen those numbers collapse.

The Mosul residents who saw the Islamic State announcement estimated the city's Christian population before last month's militant takeover at around 5,000. The vast bulk of those have since fled, leaving perhaps only 200 in the city.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/isis-islamic-state-issue-ultimatum-to-iraq-christians

 

[akheR]

3 Things You Need to Know About ISIS
By Bilal Abdul Kareem
(...)
There is not ONE scholar who came out in support of ISIS and it’s leader’s claim to khilafah. Actually it is just the opposite, they all came out in unison denouncing the claim to the caliphate in specific and the movement in general. ISIS has been denounced by several Shaykhs who are respected by people of Jihad like Shaykh Abu Muhammad Al Maqdisi, Shaykh Abdullaah AL Muhaysini, and Shaykh Abu Qatada, not to mention a huge rebuke from Ayman Zawahiri and his demand for them to pack up their operation in Syria as well.

The problem with these groups is that they know how to twist such facts : if you're with them, you're - well - with them (and don't you dare go away, as it happened with few of them who ended up quite badly). If you aren't, then, "every group fighting for the Truth (with a T, not t) has always been opposed by the rest", because they're in their romantic mood.

Look at that:

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Are they "defenders of the Sunna" ? By slaughtering scholars ?

Also:

Remember that whoever gives the pledge of allegiance to anybody among you without consulting the other Muslims, neither that person, nor the person to whom the pledge of allegiance was given, are to be supported, lest they both should be killed.

Sahih Bukhari volume 8, book 82, number 817

Can someone tell me here how 'Umar ibn al Khattab (ra) was chosen as caliph ? I'm sure he did announce it on Twitter without any other support in the wider community.

Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:

It was said to `Umar, "Will you appoint your successor?" `Umar said, "If I appoint a Caliph (as my successor) it is true that somebody who was better than I (i.e., Abu Bakr) did so, and if I leave the matter undecided, it is true that somebody who was better than I (i.e., Allah's Messenger (sal Allaahu alayhi wa sallam)) did so." On this, the people praised him. `Umar said, "People are of two kinds: Either one who is keen to take over the Caliphate or one who is afraid of assuming such a responsibility. I wish I could be free from its responsibility in that I would receive neither reward nor retribution I won't bear the burden of the caliphate in my death as I do in my life."

Sahih Bukhari volume 9, book 89, number 325

And another scholar who would have been takfirized by the mudjahideen

...it is not permissible for anyone to put appoint a particular person – other than the Prophet (sal Allaahu alayhi wa sallam) – and then call the Ummah to his way, thereafter showing loyalty and enmity based upon him.

It is not permissible to appoint a statement – other than the speech of Allaah, His Messenger and the Ijmaa’ of the Ummah – and then show loyalty or enmity based upon this statement. Rather this is from the actions of the people of innovation who appoint specific people or statements in order to differentiate between the Ummah, basing their loyalties upon these statements and people.

Ibn Taymiyya, Majmu' al-Fataawa, 20/164

Things were already pretty dire for Christians in Iraq and now this. Ironically under Saddam the Christian community in Iraq had no problems - then 2 religious nutters called Bush and Blair got involved and the rest is history.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/isis-islamic-state-issue-ultimatum-to-iraq-christians

The religion denomination to which Bush belongs has as more hate for Christians of the east that it has for others (who don't share their "creed").

I can tell you that if there's not a single Christian left in the Middle East, Bush will not lose his sleep - probably the opposite.

 

[shaykh]

ISIS Mega Discussion Thread [All Related News/Discussion Goes Here]

They are big discussion on PP and everyday and new thread every hour. So lets collect it all here and see what fate decides for them.

ISIS have declared a Caliphate...now the reaction has been interesting cos for me it shows that a Caliphate just can't ever exist...

Other than supporters of ISIS no-one believes it is a Caliphate...the likes of HT for instance have been quick to denounce ISIS as implementing Kufr and not following the correct method etc...now what this situation has showed is only members of said organization will recognize the Caliphate...

So if HT for instance were to get one of their coups and declare a caliphate then they also would find themselves in exactly the same boat...no-one other than their members would recognize the legitimacy of their claim...so it would be THEIR state not the Caliphate...all these Islamic organizations have Islamic arguments for their position and they all disagree with other groups...with such a diversity of thought on the subject it shows that no-one can gain a universal hold over the Muslim community...

ISIS declaring a Caliphate has been a very interesting development because it shows what a pipe dream the Caliphate actually is...

 

[DHONI183]

ISIS Caliphate - Proof That Any Notion of a Caliphate Ever is Purely a Pipe Dream...

[MENTION=133972]shaykh[/MENTION] First of all, welcome back! I always look forward to reading your posts and it´s good to see you being a bit active again.

On topic, to be fair, by no means claiming that ISIS is doing any Islamic things, the implementation of any law or system proposed or found in any religion will remain a pipe dream, in this age at least. I myself personally can´t get my head around some of the rulings and concepts found in many religions.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The secular and socialist Arab nationalism, which failed to take place, would have been the best thing to happen to Middle East. But that would mean Oil will not be under the western conglomerates, and everything was done to suppress it. There would be no need of a Caliphate had that been successful. But as things stand now, global geopolitics is a tower of Babel, humanity is scattered and divided in a state of perpetual chaos.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

What do the Islamic scriptures say about a future Caliphate?

And if they promise or predict one then how can someone who believes in the divinity of such texts (ie Muslims) suggest that it will never happen?

On the contrary, if there is no mention of a future Caliphate why do so many people make it their life's mission to look forward to one?

 

[10sion]

What do the Islamic scriptures say about a future Caliphate?

And if they promise or predict one then how can someone who believes in the divinity of such texts (ie Muslims) suggest that it will never happen?

On the contrary, if there is no mention of a future Caliphate why do so many people make it their life's mission to look forward to one?

There are abundant hadiths that point to the rise of Caliphate before the end of times.

I think what happens is, we judge our immediate situation and not see things in the long term. Nothing happens until it happens. Who would have thought David would overcome Goliath? ...and in more recent times, who would have thought that American forces would be leaving Afghanistan at a time when the Taliban are stronger than what they were before [Not saying Taliban will establish Caliphate or help in it or help in the already announced Caliphate (there is so much going on!)]

Majority of us have never lived under Shariah law. It is not going to be a perfect society. But it will, hopefully, be one which doesn't tolerate moral recession and strives to be ruled justly to the best of its abilities.

 

[10sion]

Don't merge this with the other iSIS thread please...

ISIS have declared a Caliphate...now the reaction has been interesting cos for me it shows that a Caliphate just can't ever exist...

Other than supporters of ISIS no-one believes it is a Caliphate...the likes of HT for instance have been quick to denounce ISIS as implementing Kufr and not following the correct method etc...now what this situation has showed is only members of said organization will recognize the Caliphate...

So if HT for instance were to get one of their coups and declare a caliphate then they also would find themselves in exactly the same boat...no-one other than their members would recognize the legitimacy of their claim...so it would be THEIR state not the Caliphate...all these Islamic organizations have Islamic arguments for their position and they all disagree with other groups...with such a diversity of thought on the subject it shows that no-one can gain a universal hold over the Muslim community...

ISIS declaring a Caliphate has been a very interesting development because it shows what a pipe dream the Caliphate actually is...

This is true so far...but what happens is any groups success will attract more people to it or the group will increase its areas due to its successes and force people to live according to its conditions, like what is happening with Christians in Mosul [pay jizya / leave / fight].

With over a billion muslims, majority of whom are ruled by people not willing the return of Caliphate, it won't be a surprise if the support initially is a bare minimum. Look at the scholars that Saudi Arabia jails/investigates if they don't do everything the Kingdom wants them to do.

The Caliphate that has been announced -- what is it known to the world as? Terrorists. And how easy will it be for the normal person to say that, well I support it. Forget laymen. Even our scholars will hesitate to say so. If not IS, tomorrow another group will announce it. Its arrival is obvious. What is also obvious is that, there won't be a red carpet rolled out for it.

 

[akheR]

The Caliphate that has been announced -- what is it known to the world as? Terrorists. And how easy will it be for the normal person to say that, well I support it. Forget laymen. Even our scholars will hesitate to say so. If not IS, tomorrow another group will announce it. Its arrival is obvious. What is also obvious is that, there won't be a red carpet rolled out for it.

It's pretty obvious to all that when it will come it will create a consensus at least amongst the ideological spectrum it belongs to (if not the 'ummah), because, as of know, even some well known 'hardcore' jihadi scholars have refuted that the IS Khilafa is a Khilafa.

It's also pretty obvious that, even if it will be called terrorist by the mainstream media, the average Muslim (and Westerner) will acknowledge it because it will subscribe to Islamic ethics of wars - like it acknowledged Salah ud Deen once upon a time and Umar Mukhtar, Abd al Qadir al Djazairi, Imam Shamil, ... later on -, so you'll probably have less boasting about bombing restaurants or chopping off the heads of Nusra/al Qaida fighters (yes, I'm not even talking of Shia, Yazidis, Alawis, 'rebellious' Sunnis, ... but those apparently who fight against a common enemy).

The prophet (pbuh) said that "my community will never agree on error" ; the fact that IS has a minimal support amongst Muslims (EVEN amongst jihadi scholars, for God's sake!) should be an alert.

ISIS success is due to geo political reasons (legitimate grievances against the Maliki led govt., etc) but also the intellectual, cultural and naturally political demise of the 'ulema who, because of their perpetual submissive and selective attitude have created a vacuum for neo-jihadis to gather some support.

Anyway, whoever supports ISIS and its actions against the Christians of Mosul (amongst other jovialities) MUST support Israel's holy war in Gaza (and its wider Greater Israel fantasies), and vice-versa, otherwise it's sheer hypocrisy.

Poor Christians of Mosul, probably ulema of the region were only retards for a good +1000 years for not applying the Islamic law, thankfully we had to wait 2014 for scholars.

 

[10sion]

It's pretty obvious to all that when it will come it will create a consensus at least amongst the ideological spectrum it belongs to (if not the 'ummah), because, as of know, even some well known 'hardcore' jihadi scholars have refuted that the IS Khilafa is a Khilafa.

It's also pretty obvious that, even if it will be called terrorist by the mainstream media, the average Muslim (and Westerner) will acknowledge it because it will subscribe to Islamic ethics of wars - like it acknowledged Salah ud Deen once upon a time and Umar Mukhtar, Abd al Qadir al Djazairi, Imam Shamil, ... later on -, so you'll probably have less boasting about bombing restaurants or chopping off the heads of Nusra/al Qaida fighters (yes, I'm not even talking of Shia, Yazidis, Alawis, 'rebellious' Sunnis, ... but those apparently who fight against a common enemy).

The prophet (pbuh) said that "my community will never agree on error" ; the fact that IS has a minimal support amongst Muslims (EVEN amongst jihadi scholars, for God's sake!) should be an alert.

ISIS success is due to geo political reasons (legitimate grievances against the Maliki led govt., etc) but also the intellectual, cultural and naturally political demise of the 'ulema who, because of their perpetual submissive and selective attitude have created a vacuum for neo-jihadis to gather some support.

Anyway, whoever supports ISIS and its actions against the Christians of Mosul (amongst other jovialities) MUST support Israel's holy war in Gaza (and its wider Greater Israel fantasies), and vice-versa, otherwise it's sheer hypocrisy.

Poor Christians of Mosul, probably ulema of the region were only retards for a good +1000 years for not applying the Islamic law, thankfully we had to wait 2014 for scholars.

As someone I look up to on this forum, I would love to know what is your take on the Iraq-Syrian turmoil going on for years? Also, clearly you don't support ISIS and have given a lot of reasons why, all of which are based on more or less solid evidences. What is your take on JaN and the other Islamic groups that are fighting too but not garnering the attention as ISIS does [may be because they aren't as violent].

 

[Markhor]

but also the intellectual, cultural and naturally political demise of the 'ulema who, because of their perpetual submissive and selective attitude have created a vacuum for neo-jihadis to gather some support.

That's a very strong point that is often not raised or acknowledged.

 

[Jadz]

If Muslims want unity - across national, sectarian, tribal, political divides - then the best model might be the European Union, with a Nato-type military alliance to protect the interests of Muslims worldwide. Such an entity would solve the problem of leadership, with a rotating presidency - representing and reflecting the diverse nations and different sects. Otherwise, no Shi'aa is going to ever accept a purely Sunni caliphate, nor is any Sunni likely to accept a purely Shi'aa imamate.

With especial regard to the Arabic word Khalifah, plural Khulafaa, Khalaa'if - it means, as follows:

vicar
successor
deputy

It is derived from the root verb Khalafa - which means:

to be the successor
succeed
to follow
come after (s.o)
to take the place of
to substitute
to replace
and so on

According to Q2:30 - And Lo! Your Sustainer said to the Angels: 'Behold, I am about to establish upon earth one who shall inherit it - Khalifah..'

In other words, Adam (pbuh). Each human being is a Khalifah, in that (s)he not only inherits from preceding generations, but also succeeds them. In that sense, each individual is responsible for the care and maintenance of his family, community, society, creatures and earth, irrespective of position and material status. Please see, Q6.165; 27.62; 35.39

We should not be misled into believing, or thinking, that Khalifah is a political position, restricted to a select few Divinely-appointed persons. Every single human being is a Khalifah in his, her own right - it is only when Qur'anic words and terms are properly understood, in context with the Qur'anic narrative as a whole, will its true Message be fully comprehended.

Wa Llahu 'Alam
(And, God Knows Best)

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I've made similar points to Jadz first paragraph in the past and still stand by it. I can't quite understand why people don't focuss on creating semi functioning nation states before demanding the creation of a superstate!

The EU model would work perfectly. Open borders, fixed currency and shared defence with a rotating presidency.

 

[OZGOD]

Don't merge this with the other iSIS thread please...

ISIS have declared a Caliphate...now the reaction has been interesting cos for me it shows that a Caliphate just can't ever exist...

Other than supporters of ISIS no-one believes it is a Caliphate...the likes of HT for instance have been quick to denounce ISIS as implementing Kufr and not following the correct method etc...now what this situation has showed is only members of said organization will recognize the Caliphate...

So if HT for instance were to get one of their coups and declare a caliphate then they also would find themselves in exactly the same boat...no-one other than their members would recognize the legitimacy of their claim...so it would be THEIR state not the Caliphate...all these Islamic organizations have Islamic arguments for their position and they all disagree with other groups...with such a diversity of thought on the subject it shows that no-one can gain a universal hold over the Muslim community...

ISIS declaring a Caliphate has been a very interesting development because it shows what a pipe dream the Caliphate actually is...

Without knowing too much about the technical requirements for a caliphate I would suggest what is needed above all would be a leader that unites ALL Muslims, someone who resonates with all the different sects and groups.


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[Gabbar Singh]

Looks like the Caliphate won't last long given Obama has given the go ahead to bomb ISIS stronghold. How will this move be seen across the Middle East I wonder?

 

[the Great Khan]

Looks like the Caliphate won't last long given Obama has given the go ahead to bomb ISIS stronghold. How will this move be seen across the Middle East I wonder?

Historically anybody can declare themselves caliph but that doesn't mean you are legitimate. Most of the Muslim world are deeply suspicious of Baghdadi and do not consider him the rightful caliph. If they did you would have noticed it. For example when a caliph is declare the first Friday of the declaration is used to administer the oath of allegiance from Muslims every where. He is not the caliph and at the moment as no legitimacy whatsoever.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Looks like the Caliphate won't last long given Obama has given the go ahead to bomb ISIS stronghold. How will this move be seen across the Middle East I wonder?

This is one issue which brother KB-24 actually got spot on when he said that ISIS version of the caliphate was doomed to failure because it couldn't guarantee protection of the state. Scaring off a few Iraqi soldiers is one thing, but obviously when the yanks start dropping heavy air strikes then the rag tag ISIS vandals won't look so clever.

 

[10sion]

France joining USA in taking on ISIS...

 

[shaykh]

Historically anybody can declare themselves caliph but that doesn't mean you are legitimate. Most of the Muslim world are deeply suspicious of Baghdadi and do not consider him the rightful caliph. If they did you would have noticed it. For example when a caliph is declare the first Friday of the declaration is used to administer the oath of allegiance from Muslims every where. He is not the caliph and at the moment as no legitimacy whatsoever.

The real question is who would ever be considered the rightful Caliph...they are so many different groups and strands of thought that no-one would get allegiance...for instance KB's organization...would they be provided bayah?...all groups other than HT believe they spout nonsense...all groups believe their organizations to be correct and others to be incorrect...so who would ever have legitimate authority of the state?...

Even if you believe the Messiah returns most will view him as false also...

 

[Saeed]

Looks like the Caliphate won't last long given Obama has given the go ahead to bomb ISIS stronghold. How will this move be seen across the Middle East I wonder?

Middle east didn't do anything when amreeka attacked Iraq so what are you expecting them to do now? They will probably build another tall tower.

 

[OZGOD]

this takeover of isis by establishing a so called (forced) "caliphate" would serve only one purpose. officially bring all muslims (atleast of the region) under one flag of "the enemies of the west" and give a license to the forces with vested interests to carry on and amplify their efforts against the muslim world.
i dont know whether they are agents of america or not but they are certainly performing all the tasks which america would like them to perform

Is this why America is bombing them now? To continue to perpetuate the CIA plot to increase authenticity? Honest question.

It's amazing how everything that is wrong in the world today can be traced back to the Seppos - geez they must have the world's best intelligence services to foment such discord as this. KGB got nuttin' on them it looks like.

 

[the Great Khan]

The real question is who would ever be considered the rightful Caliph...they are so many different groups and strands of thought that no-one would get allegiance...for instance KB's organization...would they be provided bayah?...all groups other than HT believe they spout nonsense...all groups believe their organizations to be correct and others to be incorrect...so who would ever have legitimate authority of the state?...

Even if you believe the Messiah returns most will view him as false also...

the ultimate way to gain real legitimacy is to :

a) have the power to back up your claims e.g. an army ,economy, will
b) be in possession of the two holy cities.

I guarantee you one thing, if we get somebody with the above two then the majority of the Muslim world will take the bayah and thats all that person will need. Arabia,turkey,Egypt, Pakistan. three out of those four.

if the ruler of arabia were to plan it and call for himself to be the new caliph, then get it ratified by the majority of sunni scholars, it would be a done deal. Of all the people the british knew this was entirely possible after the fall of the caliphate in the 20's. Ask yourself, why havent the saudies declared themselves ameer ul momineen? they can if they want and theyll get plenty of bayah. There is a reason why they are where they are.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

An interesting take on the Caliphate.

The Caliphate Delusion: the political construct that bears no relevance in the modern world
By Ghaffar Hussain | Published: August 19, 2014

I first came across the term Caliphate or Khilafah back in 1992 when, as a young teenager, I attended a lecture organised by a local Islamist group. The term was a reference to a global Muslim empire that would have a single ruler for life, referred to as Caliph, and implement a single interpretation of shariah. This empire would also be expansionist and seek to aggressively stretch its borders through warfare until the entire world fell under its domain.

Islamist-extremists-on-campusThe Caliphate, it was argued, was necessary because, theologically, it was an Islamic obligation and, politically, only such an entity could protect Muslims around the world, under siege as they are from non-Muslim enemies.

Furthermore, the return of the Caliphate was foretold in scripture and had existed up until 1924 until it was destroyed by European imperialists who felt threatened by Muslim unity and power. Prior to 1924, it was argued, a thriving Caliphate had ushered in a golden age of Islam in which science, art, philosophy and economic prosperity flourished as Muslims implemented a divine ruling system.

At the time it was a compelling narrative, especially since it weaved theology, geo-politics and grievances young British Muslims were experiencing at the time. It also had a feel-good factor to it because essentially it blamed all the contemporary failings of Muslim societies around the world on Western conspiracies and the lack of a Caliphate.

As such, it was very empowering in that it gave young Muslims delusions of grandeur, it made us feel relevant and important at a time of mass disenfranchisement.

Many of those taken in by Islamist propaganda in their youth grow up to reject it, just as most Trotskyists mature to realise a grand workers revolution won’t necessarily make the world a better place, save a small band of hard-core comrades who continue attending Socialist Worker rallies well into their 60s. I also grew up with the dawning realisation that the Islamist narrative was both historically inaccurate and politically illiterate. The Caliphate project, therefore, was always doomed to not only failure, for mere failure would be a blessing, but to leave widespread chaos and bloodshed in its wake.

However, ever since the Islamic State in Iraq and ash-Sham (ISIS) declared the re-establishment of a Caliphate with their leader, al-Baghdadi, as Caliph – interest in this idea has been revived. I, therefore, think it is an opportune time to summarise why I, and many others, came to the realisation that a Caliphate is undesirable, unnecessary and ultimately unworkable.

In truth, Islam does not have a set political system. That is not to say Islam does not have anything to say about the political domain, arguably most religions do, but Islam does not mandate a specific political model that needs to be implemented at all times in all places. The various Muslim empires, many of which existed concurrently whilst competing with one another, implemented different political models.

The Abbasid Empire (750-1517 CE), for example, was based on the diwan system, that was borrowed from the pre-Islamic Persians, and a form of patrimonialism that also relied heavily on Persian governance structures. Indeed, Baghdad was built near the former Sassanian capital of Ctesiphon. The Ottoman Empire (1280 – 1924 CE), on the other-hand, relied on a Byzantinian model of governance in which civil and military administration ran side by side whilst the state co-opted and instrumentalised the ulema (religious scholars) to buttress their rule. Both these empires were dynastical and the Caliphs were essentially monarchs which is interesting because modern Islamists decry monarchies.

Similarly, the Moghul Empire (1556-1857 CE) in India and the Safavid (1501- 1722 CE) in Iran relied on their own political models rooted as they were in local culture and history. This adaptability is what made them durable and successful in the first place. These Empires also did not implement one interpretation of shariah as state law in the way Islamist seek to do today. Furthermore, religion was used in the same way in which it was used by Christian kings in Europe, i.e. to stifle dissent, ensure loyalty from the subjects whilst giving them a set of rules that they are familiar and comfortable with.

These varying political models were relevant for the time in the same way horses and camels were relevant as the main modes of transport. They were a mere reflection of the state of the world back then, hence, were adopted pragmatically by rulers seeking power and security.

There is nothing inherently Islamic or un-Islamic about these ruling systems, especially since they changed and adapted as time went on until the Ottoman Empire collapsed in 1924. As such, there is nothing intrinsically un-Islamic about modern governance structures that rely on different and arguably more practical systems today.

My perspective on this topic, as outlined the last two sentences of the last paragraph, is problematic for Islamists for three reasons. Firstly, because they believe Muslims globally can only have one leader at any time. Secondly, they believe Muslims must be governed by shariah alone, and a narrow interpretation of it. Thirdly, a selective reading of history has led to them romanticising the past and falsely attributing relative scientific progress and political stability to the implementation of a specific political model.

With regards to the single global leadership for Muslims, with the exception of the first few decades of Islam, this has never been the case. There have always been multiple and competing leaders vying for the title of Caliph whilst many other Muslims lived outside the various Muslim empires. Furthermore, Islamic theologians have differing views on the necessity of a single global leadership. For example, in his discussion on appointing Caliphs in The Muqaddimah (page 158 in the 2005 Princeton University Press edition) renowned Muslim theologian and historian Ibn Khaldun stated:

“Others hold the view that (the prohibition against two Imams) applies only to two imams in one locality, or where they would be close to each other. Where this is great distances and the imam is unable to control the farther region, it is permissible to set up another imam there to take care of public interests.”

So clearly there is no theological consensus on this issue which renders the exercise futile in practice.

Interestingly, Ibn Khaldun also compared the necessity of having Caliphs with anarchy, suggesting references to having Caliphates and Caliphs stress their importance because social order is preferable to disorder and chaos. This again supports the point that there is no single political model in Islam, rather an emphasis on political order and governance structures to prevent the social and political anarchy.

Islam and shariah are diverse and multiple interpretations of both exist. At no point in history was a single interpretation of Islam adopted by a Muslim empire and imposed and enforced on subjects of that empire in the way modern laws are. In fact, positive law is a relatively modern European notion that emerged from the Westphalian state. Theologically this is not a necessity either.

Imam Malik was the supreme authority of Sunni Islam during the time of Saffah, Mansur, Mahdi and Hadi, the first four Abbasid caliphs. Of them, the last three all wished to impose his teachings, contained in his book Muwatta, upon all Muslims. Imam Malik refused each time, arguing that other authorities had other knowledge and different interpretations, and it would be utterly wrong to impose one interpretation upon everyone.

This was also based on the basic Sunni principle that only God and the Prophet Muhammad were infallible in matters of the sacred law – with the understanding of others being naturally human, subjective and open to error.

The numerous scientific discoveries and breakthroughs that took place in Muslim history were not a result of the imposition of a certain interpretation of Islam. Rather they were the product of a culture of relative openness, pluralism and free-thinking that Islamists of today seek to do away with. Hence, we witnessed an explosion of learning and knowledge in the Abbasid Empire and in Andalusia, where such a culture existed, but not in the late period of the Ottoman Empire where attitudes towards learning became very different and, arguably, religiously orthodox.

The Ottomans, for example, chose to centralise knowledge in the hands of a few learned men, reject innovations such as the printing press and destroy Istanbul’s only observatory. These steps, which were pushed for by the ulema at the time, contributed to Ottoman decline.

Furthermore, many scientists and thinkers that were responsible for much of the scientific progress celebrated by modern Islamists held very derogatory views towards religion. For example, the preeminent physician, chemist and philosopher al-Razi (865-925 CE) stated:

“The falseness of what all the prophets say is evident in the fact that they contradict one another: one affirms what the other denies, and yet each claims to be the sole depository of the truth; thus the New Testament contradicts the Torah, the Koran the New Testament. As for the Koran, it is but an assorted mixture of ‘absurd and inconsistent fables,’ which has ridiculously been judged inimitable, when, in fact, its language, style, and its much-vaunted ‘eloquence’ are far from being faultless.”

Other leading Muslim thinkers from the period, such as Ibn Sina (973-1037 CE) and Ibn Rushd (1126-1198 CE), also deviated from orthodox theology and sought to question common held assumptions about the role of religion. Ibn Rushd, for example, has been referred to as the founding father of secularism since he called for science and philosophy to be divorced from theology. In fact, if he was around today he would most likely be declared a heretic by Islamists.

The facts of history, however, are largely irrelevant to modern Islamists because theirs is a struggle and a cause that is characterized by the meaning it gives to their lives and the excuses it offers to avoid introspection. In other words, it’s too good to be spoiled by the facts and alternative perspectives are deemed an irritant, getting in the way of a comforting and binary understanding of the world.

It is for these reasons that most Islamists, in my experience, resort to name-calling and playing the man rather than the ball when challenged. A tribal mindset in which any criticism of their politics is deemed an attack on the faith and their entire identity kicks in and enables them to pull the shutters down. In such a climate rational debate is difficult.

The Caliphate is a political construct of the past that bears no relevance in the modern world from a theological or political perspective and most Muslims around the world realize that. Seeking to resurrect such an entity is no different to Italians seeking to bring back the Roman Empire, it is illogical and unworkable. However, the fact that sane and seemingly rational people are calling for such a thing in the modern world is a sad indictment of the state of political thought in Muslim-majority societies.

http://leftfootforward.org/2014/08/...-that-bears-no-relevance-in-the-modern-world/

 

[Ranvir]

Every religion has these dreams of grandeur where they say their religion will rule the world and there will be eternal peace. It's not going to happen all nonsense.

 

[shaykh]

An interesting take on the Caliphate.




http://leftfootforward.org/2014/08/...-that-bears-no-relevance-in-the-modern-world/

Quilliam foundation spokesman...no islamic legitimacy to anything they say...

 

[Bewal Express]

ISIS or whatever they are called seem to be every anti Islamists dream. Thick, bloody thirsty idiots who seem to take pleasure in be -headings.

 

[OZGOD]

What I'm curious about is that since Caliph Ibrahim has asked for Muslims to come and populate his new caliphate, are they obligated to stay there? For example there are a number of Australian Muslims who have answered his call to fight in Syria and Iraq. After they finish fighting or for whatever reason are they then allowed to leave the caliphate and return to their original countries?

 

[just saying]

What I'm curious about is that since Caliph Ibrahim has asked for Muslims to come and populate his new caliphate, are they obligated to stay there? For example there are a number of Australian Muslims who have answered his call to fight in Syria and Iraq. After they finish fighting or for whatever reason are they then allowed to leave the caliphate and return to their original countries?

Why wouldn't they be allowed to travel by the Caliph, infact they will be sent to their original countries to create hell for the infidels. The end goal afterall is to destroy man-made democracies and rule the world under Sharia Law.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Quilliam foundation spokesman...no islamic legitimacy to anything they say...

Abdullah Quilliam , the first emir of England, had a much more interesting take

 

[Chickenkorma]

US journalist beheaded by ISIS

Absolutely sickening

http://www.businessinsider.com/james-foley-2014-8

 

[Saeed]

Hopefully who ever did it, will be judged soon. May kurds get their independence from Arabs.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Not been a good year for journalists

Imprisoned and tortured in Egypt

Killed in Gaza along with their translators

and attacked in Iraq too



May Allah give them all respite from their dictators, oppressors and taghout

 

[Chickenkorma]

Quilliam foundation spokesman...no islamic legitimacy to anything they say...

why not?

 

[Chickenkorma]

Guy who did the beheading had a British accent...

 

[OZGOD]

Pretty sad.

 

[OZGOD]

I just saw the video of that...completely disgusting.

 

[OZGOD]

From the SMH.

Islamic State beheads US journalist James Foley: claim

Published: August 20, 2014 - 9:57AM

Baghdad: Islamic State insurgents who control territory in Iraq and Syria released a video on Tuesday purportedly showing the beheading of US journalist James Foley, who had gone missing in Syria nearly two years ago.

Islamic State, formerly known as ISIS or ISIL, also threatened the life of a second US journalist, Steven Sotloff, whom it claims to be holding.

The video, titled A Message To America, was posted on social media sites. It was not immediately possible to verify.

The video, seen by Fairfax Media, shows a man, which the video claims is Foley, wearing orange robes and kneeling beside an Islamic State militant who is dressed in black and with his face masked. The militant speaks with a British accent.

The man said to be Foley addresses the camera, saying: "I call on my friends, family and loved ones to rise up against my real killers, the US government, for what will happen to me is only a result of their complacency and criminality.

"My message to my beloved parents: save me some dignity and don't accept any meagre compensation for my death from the same people who effectively hit the last nail in my coffin with their recent aerial campaign in Iraq."

He then addresses his brother, John, who he says is a member of the US Air Force.

"Think about the lives you destroy including those of your own family. I call on you, John: think about who made the decision to bomb Iraq recently and kill those people, whoever they may have been," he says.

He ends with: "I wish I had more time. I wish I could have the hope of freedom and seeing my family once again but that ship has sailed. I guess, all in all, I wish I wasn't American."

The militant then accuses the US government, including President Barack Obama, of plotting against the Islamic State, and says Foley's death is in retaliation for recent air strikes in northern Iraq.

The militant points at the camera with a knife as he says: "Any attempt by you, Obama, to deny the Muslims their rights of living in safety under the Islamic caliphate will result in the bloodshed of your people.

"The life of this American citizen, Obama, depends on your next decision," he says, apparently referring to the other journalist.

He then appears to cut Foley's throat.

Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the US National Security Council, released this statement: "We have seen a video that purports to be the murder of US citizen James Foley by ISIL.

"The intelligence community is working as quickly as possible to determine its authenticity. If genuine, we are appalled by the brutal murder of an innocent American journalist and we express our deepest condolences to his family and friends. We will provide more information when it is available."

Foley, who has reported in the Middle East for five years, was kidnapped by unidentified gunmen on November 22, 2012.

A Twitter account set up by his family to help find him said early on Wednesday: "We know that many of you are looking for confirmation or answers. Please be patient until we all have more information, and keep the Foleys in your thoughts and prayers."

Islamic State's sweep through northern Iraq, bringing it close to Baghdad and in control of the second city, Mosul, drew US air strikes on the country for the first time since the end of the American occupation in 2011.

The Sunni militant group has declared a caliphate in parts of Iraq and Syria in areas it controls.

The footage was uploaded to YouTube on Tuesday afternoon, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation is believed to be evaluating the video's contents.

Foley had been working for US news organisation GlobalPost, Agence France-Presse and other international media organisations when he was kidnapped in Syria in November 2012

GlobalPost said Foley's beheading had not yet been verified.

Foley was on assignment for GlobalPost when he went missing. He was on his way to the Turkish border when he was abducted by a group of armed men.

He had previously reported for GlobalPost from Libya and Afghanistan before covering the civil war in Syria from early 2012.

Foley's last article for the news organisation outlined the growing frustration with war among the citizens of Aleppo, Syria's largest city.

While covering the Libyan civil war in 2011, Foley and two other journalists, American Claire Gillis and Spaniard Manu Brabo, endured a 44-day captivity in April and May of that year at the hands of then Libyan strongman Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.

A fourth journalist South African Anton Hammerl, was killed when the journalists were captured by Gaddafi fighters near Benghazi in eastern Libya.

Foley later returned to Libya to cover Gaddafi’s fall and eventual death.

Foley and GlobalPost correspondent Tracey Shelton were at the scene of Gaddafi’s capture in October 2011.

Reuters, Fairfax Media

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/world/islamic...nalist-james-foley-claim-20140820-1061oz.html

 

[just saying]

The video, seen by Fairfax Media, shows a man, which the video claims is Foley, wearing orange robes and kneeling beside an Islamic State militant who is dressed in black and with his face masked. The militant speaks with a British accent.

Around 500 Brits have joined ISIS in Syria/Iraq. The scary part is how many who share the ISIS ideology, would like to join them but circumstances have not allowed them to, are still roaming the streets of Britain or any other Western country for that matter, probably in the thousands.

 

[akheR]

This guy, with many other Western journalists, paraded all over Syria supporting what would later become ISIS fighters - he openly called anti State elements sponsored by the West for its own geo-political purposes "freedom fighters".
These "freedom fighters" thus began to dance with Bashar al Assad on Western tunes, and both jointly orphaned 1000s of Syrian children, and killing few adults here and there too (through cosmetic bombings, surgical beheading, etc, etc), not forgetting those amputated.

It's not the best way to get rid of such element and ISIS are a bunch of bloodthirsty thugs, but from your average Syrian (and even Libyan) POV, his beheading is a REALLY little salary for America's continuous role in the region.

 

[OZGOD]

This guy, with many other Western journalists, paraded all over Syria supporting what would later become ISIS fighters - he openly called anti State elements sponsored by the West for its own geo-political purposes "freedom fighters".
These "freedom fighters" thus began to dance with Bashar al Assad on Western tunes, and both jointly orphaned 1000s of Syrian children, and killing few adults here and there too (through cosmetic bombings, surgical beheading, etc, etc), not forgetting those amputated.

It's not the best way to get rid of such element and ISIS are a bunch of bloodthirsty thugs, but from your average Syrian (and even Libyan) POV, his beheading is a REALLY little salary for America's continuous role in the region.

So he was complicit in his own demise?

 

[akheR]

So he was complicit in his own demise?

When Syrians were getting killed for a war on them imposed by neo-imperialists, he was taking selfies and calling the assassins "freedom fighters"... interpret it however you want.

But, again, I don't agree with how ISIS killed him - even beheading can be less gruesome (see Saudi Arabia.)

 

[Chickenkorma]

This guy, with many other Western journalists, paraded all over Syria supporting what would later become ISIS fighters - he openly called anti State elements sponsored by the West for its own geo-political purposes "freedom fighters".
These "freedom fighters" thus began to dance with Bashar al Assad on Western tunes, and both jointly orphaned 1000s of Syrian children, and killing few adults here and there too (through cosmetic bombings, surgical beheading, etc, etc), not forgetting those amputated.

It's not the best way to get rid of such element and ISIS are a bunch of bloodthirsty thugs, but from your average Syrian (and even Libyan) POV, his beheading is a REALLY little salary for America's continuous role in the region.

I think your homogeneous view of anti-Assad rebellion is rather sad.

75% of Libyans supported American intervention (http://www.gallup.com/poll/156539/opinion-briefing-libyans-eye-new-relations-west.aspx), so from your average Libyan perspective perhaps you should not speak for the Libyan people.

I would suggest you not hijack every issue to display your disagreement with American interventionist policy, especially when the two issues are largely irrelevant.

 

[Chickenkorma]

That post is frankly shocking, intellectually lazy and just downright pathetic in its inhumanity.

I cannot fathom the thought process behind blaming the Syrian Civil War solely on the US, then using the term rebel synonymously with ISIS to relate James Foley and US foreign policy through some notion of collective guilt , and then using that to imply a justification for execution...

Any respect for you has plummeted...

 

[Fastandfurious]

Man, so many extremist groups keep on popping up. :sigh

 

[CricketCartoons]

Why do people watch beheading videos, when they know what to expect. Do people like getting disgusted?

 

[shortbread]

UK must deny entry to these brain washed fools on their return. They are stupid, inhumane, cold and stubborn. The havoc they can cause on the streets to the unassuming public is very scary. Tha acts will be done under the so called 'religious umbrella' and will further polarise the public. Pack them all in a container and dump it in the sea!!!