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Is Moeen Ali the worst spinner/bowler in ODIs ever?

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Among all spinners who have bowled more balls than him he has 3rd highest economy rate

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
JP Duminy (SA)	2004-2017	177	118	3111	2758	63	4/16	43.77	5.31	49.3	1	0
V Sehwag (Asia/ICC/INDIA)	1999-2013	251	146	4392	3853	96	4/6	40.13	5.26	45.7	1	0
MM Ali (ENG)	2014-2017	62	59	2867	2465	48	3/32	51.35	5.15	59.7	0	0
Mahmudullah (BDESH)	2007-2017	145	115	3660	3119	70	3/4	44.55	5.11	52.2	0	0
Yuvraj Singh (Asia/INDIA)	2000-2017	304	161	5048	4294	111	5/31	38.68	5.10	45.4	2	1
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1989-2012	463	270	8054	6850	154	5/32	44.48	5.10	52.2	4	2
NL McCullum (NZ)	2009-2015	84	81	3536	2956	63	3/24	46.92	5.01	56.1	0	0
R Ashwin (INDIA)	2010-2017	111	109	6021	4937	150	4/25	32.91	4.91	40.1	1	0
RJ Peterson (SA)	2002-2014	79	74	3278	2680	75	4/12	35.73	4.90	43.7	3	0
SC Williams (ZIM)	2005-2017	111	87	3184	2602	52	3/15	50.03	4.90	61.2	0	0
RA Jadeja (INDIA)	2009-2017	136	132	6806	5561	155	5/36	35.87	4.90	43.9	5	1
TM Dilshan (SL)	1999-2016	330	204	5880	4778	106	4/4	45.07	4.87	55.4	3	0
PA de Silva (SL)	1984-2003	308	156	5148	4177	106	4/30	39.40	4.86	48.5	2	0
MN Samuels (WI)	2000-2017	191	126	4901	3932	85	3/25	46.25	4.81	57.6	0	0
SO Tikolo (Afr/KENYA)	1996-2014	135	99	4016	3215	94	4/41	34.20	4.80	42.7	2	0
BAW Mendis (SL)	2008-2015	87	84	4154	3324	152	6/13	21.86	4.80	27.3	7	3

He has worst bowling average among all bowlers who have bowled more overs than him

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
MM Ali (ENG)	2014-2017	62	59	2867	2465	48	3/32	51.35	5.15	59.7	0	0
DN Patel (NZ)	1987-1997	75	69	3251	2261	45	3/22	50.24	4.17	72.2	0	0
SC Williams (ZIM)	2005-2017	111	87	3184	2602	52	3/15	50.03	4.90	61.2	0	0
AR Whittall (ZIM)	1996-2000	63	62	3085	2251	45	3/23	50.02	4.37	68.5	0	0
NL McCullum (NZ)	2009-2015	84	81	3536	2956	63	3/24	46.92	5.01	56.1	0	0
P Utseya (ZIM)	2004-2015	164	160	8571	6239	133	5/36	46.90	4.36	64.4	2	1
MN Samuels (WI)	2000-2017	191	126	4901	3932	85	3/25	46.25	4.81	57.6	0	0
TM Dilshan (SL)	1999-2016	330	204	5880	4778	106	4/4	45.07	4.87	55.4	3	0
Mahmudullah (BDESH)	2007-2017	145	115	3660	3119	70	3/4	44.55	5.11	52.2	0	0
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1989-2012	463	270	8054	6850	154	5/32	44.48	5.10	52.2	4	2
JP Duminy (SA)	2004-2017	177	118	3111	2758	63	4/16	43.77	5.31	49.3	1	0
Aamer Sohail (PAK)	1990-2000	156	125	4836	3703	85	4/22	43.56	4.59	56.8	1	0
Tauseef Ahmed (PAK)	1982-1990	70	67	3250	2247	55	4/38	40.85	4.14	59.0	1	0
RS Kalpage (SL)	1992-1999	86	81	3960	2975	73	4/36	40.75	4.50	54.2	2	0
GW Flower (ZIM)	1992-2010	221	156	5462	4225	104	4/32	40.62	4.64	52.5	2	0
J Botha (Afr/SA)	2005-2012	78	75	3823	2916	72	4/19	40.50	4.57	53.0	1	0
V Sehwag (Asia/ICC/INDIA)	1999-2013	251	146	4392	3853	96	4/6	40.13	5.26	45.7	1	0
 
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"Bowled more balls than him" is officially the most desperate statistical filter ever. Moeen's a pretty useful LO bowler.
 
Bilal7 said:
"Bowled more balls than him" is officially the most desperate statistical filter ever. Moeen's a pretty useful LO bowler.
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Use any other filter unless you want him to compare with bowler who didn't even bowl 250 overs in their career. Average of 51 is poor even by part timer standards. It looks worse because he bowls regularly.

When I saw that average, I thought economy must be better than others. But that's not the case either. Calling him pretty useful is overrating him. It's time that England start looking for specialist spinner than poor part time level option.
 
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Considering the flat roads on ENG ODI's, i consider him to be doing a pretty good job. He gives about 50 runs in 10 overs, takes a wicket or 2 on a good day, that's pretty much what a spinner in Eng is required to do plus adding the fact that he also bats very well so he is not wasting a spot. He is sort of an ideal all rounder. It's not like he is going at 7-8 an over. For a part timer, economy of around 5 is pretty decent. And yes he is an impact player.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Considering the flat roads on ENG ODI's, i consider him to be doing a pretty good job. He gives about 50 runs in 10 overs, takes a wicket or 2 on a good day, that's pretty much what a spinner in Eng is required to do plus adding the fact that he also bats very well so he is not wasting a spot. He is sort of an ideal all rounder. It's not like he is going at 7-8 an over. For a part timer, economy of around 5 is pretty decent. And yes he is an impact player.
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No one goes at 7-8 runs per over on average in career. It looks good, but like I mentioned earlier, he is not better than part timers either in terms of economy rate. So, shouldn't England be looking forward to Adil Rashid more often, or maybe some other spinner in the team?
 
AlizeeFan said:
No one goes at 7-8 runs per over on average in career. It looks good, but like I mentioned earlier, he is not better than part timers either in terms of economy rate. So, shouldn't England be looking forward to Adil Rashid more often, or maybe some other spinner in the team?
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Adil Rashid was playing today... and is a regular in the ODI team. :azhar2

Moeen is playing as a second spinner and all-rounder. He is not a specialist bowler and rarely bowls his full quota.
 
AlizeeFan said:
Use any other filter unless you want him to compare with bowler who didn't even bowl 250 overs in their career. Average of 51 is poor even by part timer standards. It looks worse because he bowls regularly.

When I saw that average, I thought economy must be better than others. But that's not the case either. Calling him pretty useful is overrating him. It's time that England start looking for specialist spinner than poor part time level option.
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They already have a specialist spinner and his name is Jo... I mean Adil Rashid. Watch a game or two, will ya?

Moeen is the batting all-rounder and him and Stokes usually share the fifth bowler's duties. I don't understand how Ali's economy is poor when India's specialist fast bowlers like Yadav and Shami have that same economy rate.
 
Bilal7 said:
They already have a specialist spinner and his name is Jo... I mean Adil Rashid. Watch a game or two, will ya?

Moeen is the batting all-rounder and him and Stokes usually share the fifth bowler's duties. I don't understand how Ali's economy is poor when India's specialist fast bowlers like Yadav and Shami have that same economy rate.
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Because he is a spinner and he doesn't bowl in powerplays.
 
He is a part time bowler and you shouldn't compare him with main bowlers.
 
AlizeeFan said:
No one goes at 7-8 runs per over on average in career. It looks good, but like I mentioned earlier, he is not better than part timers either in terms of economy rate. So, shouldn't England be looking forward to Adil Rashid more often, or maybe some other spinner in the team?
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Adil Rashid is already playing. Moeen is the second spinner in ODI's. Moeen adds depth and value in their line up. Quick runs are his main job and to get 6-7 overs out of him, of which he is doing a commendable job.
 
Gonna agree with OP here, he's pretty bad. Alright as an allrounder, but hasn't really had the same impact as he has in tests. He's being played partly on his test exploits really.

Moeen's worth is increased when he covers England's weaknesses, lack of a proper/good full time spinner. Rashid seems to be taking over the ODI spin bowler slot though, so Moeen's worth isn't as great (plus he was never a great spinner or bat in ODIs).
 
ads101 said:
Gonna agree with OP here, he's pretty bad. Alright as an allrounder, but hasn't really had the same impact as he has in tests. He's being played partly on his test exploits really.

Moeen's worth is increased when he covers England's weaknesses, lack of a proper/good full time spinner. Rashid seems to be taking over the ODI spin bowler slot though, so Moeen's worth isn't as great (plus he was never a great spinner or bat in ODIs).
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He's a very good lower-order batsman in LO cricket. An English Maxwell.
 
ads101 said:
Gonna agree with OP here, he's pretty bad. Alright as an allrounder, but hasn't really had the same impact as he has in tests. He's being played partly on his test exploits really.
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His bowling is okay in Tests when he is playing minnows, but when he plays a strong team like India circa 2016/17 he ends up with an bowling average of 64.90.
 
He has actually gotten a lot better than he was since Saqlain worked with him. I think his planning has gotten much smarter.

Basically, he rips the ball quite a lot and has always had the ability to bowl good balls. But he used to bowl a lot of bad balls as well. Recently he has become a lot more consistent and has the ability to become a very decent second spinner. On seaming tracks, he is a more than adequate spin option.

He will never be Muttiah Muralitharan, but I expect his stats to improve from where they are at the moment.
 
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