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Is Mohammad Hafeez still the best bet for our middle-order in the 2019 World Cup?

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Now hear me out guys.I know he draws a lot of flak from ppers here but I feel he lends that stability to our middle order as well as a bowling option unlike Asif Ali.Also he can play spin much better than Asif.
I am all for keeping him WC19 in the middle order.Would like to know your views on it?:hafeez2
 
We need a batsman who bowls a bit down at 7 rather than a bowling allrounder. I'd rather try out Talat first before going back to Hafeez though, we've hyped him up so now see what he can do.
 
Now hear me out guys.I know he draws a lot of flak from ppers here but I feel he lends that stability to our middle order as well as a bowling option unlike Asif Ali.Also he can play spin much better than Asif.
I am all for keeping him WC19 in the middle order.Would like to know your views on it?:hafeez2

You should check hafeez record in ICC games. He is pathetic. Surely not a big game player. Going back to him will another bad move.
 
Yes hafeez the allrounder gives you balance and expected to perform better that bits and pieces which you saw in Asia cup
 
When the replacements are like of Faheem,Shadab,Imam,Nawaz bunch of mediocre cricketers then Hafeez will always come back to this team.
 
On merit even Kamran Akmal could kick out Sarfraz Ahmed who is just surviving the sword because he is captain. Pakistan is still very far away from getting a perfect XI which is why our performances are mediocre against good teams.
 
Your answer lies in champions trophy 2017. And his brilliant knock in the final.

The spin and minnow bashers like Malik, Sarfraz will do absolutely nothing in England's good pace, flat roads. And against pace bowlers of the top 5 ODI sides.

Hafeez is that guy who can give us an edge both as an off spinner and a batsman who can take attack to opposition's pace attack.

We have very few batsmen who are proper stroke makers against the fast bowlers. Babar Azam, Hafeez, Harris Sohail.
 
Your answer lies in champions trophy 2017. And his brilliant knock in the final.

The spin and minnow bashers like Malik, Sarfraz will do absolutely nothing in England's good pace, flat roads. And against pace bowlers of the top 5 ODI sides.

Hafeez is that guy who can give us an edge both as an off spinner and a batsman who can take attack to opposition's pace attack.

We have very few batsmen who are proper stroke makers against the fast bowlers. Babar Azam, Hafeez, Harris Sohail.

Lol Sarfraz will probably hide himself behind Shadab in England just like he was hiding himself behind Imad in big game.
 
I would happily take Hafeez in the team if he is willing to bat at 6 or 7.

Tailenders like Sarfraz should bat there.

You're just asking us to waste Hafeezs batting at 7.

Yes he should not open, but 4/5 or at max 6 are the positions he should bat at.
 
Tailenders like Sarfraz should bat there.

You're just asking us to waste Hafeezs batting at 7.

Yes he should not open, but 4/5 or at max 6 are the positions he should bat at.

6/7 meaning that he should bat in the final 20 overs. If we're only 2 down by then, send him in at 4.
 
You are judging this off 1 test match performance :misbah.

Anyway he will play at the WC . Unfortunately a place will be found for him.
 
I said it long before Asia Cup, Mickey will have to swallow a humble pie for Hafeez. As much as I dislike him, he is our best bet as an allrounder. All the new talunts are falling much short. All we need to do is to make sure that he stays on the top of his game for an year. We will need his A-game in England.
 
I think it's better if Hafeez stays in Tests only since we already have Malik in ODIs.
 
I still think Hafeez has a big role to play IF...he doesn't get banned for the umpteenth time and learns to rotate the strike a bit more. Ideal position for him is 6 because he does have the power game as he showed in the CT final. Unfortunately, Professor sahib considers it beneath a player of his caliber to play so down the order.
 
You are judging this off 1 test match performance :misbah.

Anyway he will play at the WC . Unfortunately a place will be found for him.

Sadly this. On the merit of this performance alone i bet his powerful contacts can find a way to pressure the management into picking him for next summer. We are doomed.
 
I see the same old cycle has begun again.

To the PPers that have begun to play fantasy cricket:

1) Hafeez WILL NOT bat at 6/7

2) Hafeez WILL get called for a suspect action before the World Cup.
 
Pakistan need to bring in younger lot. Its pointless playing hafeez again and again.
 
Sadly this. On the merit of this performance alone i bet his powerful contacts can find a way to pressure the management into picking him for next summer. We are doomed.

Well who is better than him.We saw how the so called talunts struggled in Asia Cup
 
Yes he is, loi pitches in England are going to be very flat. He and Malik thrive on such conditions, he shouldn't be played in say SA in a test series , but he is still a better stroke player than most other Pakistan batsman on flat pitches.

I am not going to rate his bowling though, he is harmless with the new action and should mainly play as a batsman.
 
No - WC is not in UAE. Even in his hay days of 2011-14, he had a stats like 50/85 in Asia & 25/70 outside - that 25/75 should come down to 20/70 level, if I take out his lifetime achievement- a gala series against Robert Mughabe’s ZIM.

He has scored a fantastic hundred, but it’s even close to his 150 against Poms 3 years back - doesn’t prove anything. None denies that he is a brilliant timer of the ball and great to watch when he can hit through the line with planted feet.
 
On merit even Kamran Akmal could kick out Sarfraz Ahmed who is just surviving the sword because he is captain. Pakistan is still very far away from getting a perfect XI which is why our performances are mediocre against good teams.
Kamran Akmal and merit can never be used in the same sentence ever.
 
None denies that he is a brilliant timer of the ball and great to watch when he can hit through the line with planted feet.

Can he not do that on the flat pattas in the World Cup?
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] like Hafeez showed in Champions Trophy 2017, his batting is very much suited to good pace flat decks of England, specially in ICC tournaments.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] like Hafeez showed in Champions Trophy 2017, his batting is very much suited to good pace flat decks of England, specially in ICC tournaments.

Ah, what short memories we have.

33 (43)
26 (53)
1 (5)
31* (21) - Came in at 173/2 with 39 runs needed off 70 balls
57* (37) - Came in at 247/3

He's a tried and tested failure that cannot cope with pressure.
 
If he is eligible to bowl. His bowling can be very useful as he can tie up an end, and be a partnership breaker. If he isn't eligible to bowl i.e. he gets banned again, it may be harder to find a spot for him.

The good thing is we have a lot of cricket before the World Cup so there is a lot of chances to see which players are good enough for the ODI team.
 
Copy pasting my points from the other thread, really should have posted that here ::J

The reason why people are against him being in the middle-order in ODIs is because his strike-rotation is quite poor. If he doesn't get boundaries, he invariably ends up bringing pressure onto the team with a slew of dots. Better teams will know how to shut him down, most of the time. He can be handy right at the death purely as a stroke-maker, sure, but we have others who can do the same just as well, or better.

Bowling is not worth discussing as we don't know how long he will be 'legal' for.
 
Ah, what short memories we have.

33 (43)
26 (53)
1 (5)
31* (21) - Came in at 173/2 with 39 runs needed off 70 balls
57* (37) - Came in at 247/3

He's a tried and tested failure that cannot cope with pressure.

Yeah he's not the guy who can come in and save a sinking ship.
 
Let's wait and see. Test performances mean nothing when it comes to ODIs.
 
Well who is better than him.We saw how the so called talunts struggled in Asia Cup

You don't keep 37 year olds who are proven TTFs because there's no one better. You keep trying until you find someone better. No new player was tried in the middle order in the Asia Cup. Making and Sarfraz are batting in the positions people want Hafeez to bat.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] like Hafeez showed in Champions Trophy 2017, his batting is very much suited to good pace flat decks of England, specially in ICC tournaments.

He is good at hitting through the line, no doubt. But, in WC, early June, BALL WILL SWING even on flattest of decks. Absolutely no way he should bat in top 3, while I don't agree that both Malik & MoHa be part of a starting XI. Unless MoHa contributes with ball, which should make him 2nd spinner, he shouldn't be part of Squad, definitely not in XI.
 
Can he not do that on the flat pattas in the World Cup?

I doubt for 2 reasons - first one is age, he is into his 40s and at this age by every day reflex & hand-eye declines. WC is still 8 months away and don't get fooled by his century on this Dubai track. 3 years back, he scored a MUCH better 150 against a far better attack in UAE, then we have seen him in ENG.

Second one is a misconception of flat English wicket. What you had seen between ENG-PAK & ENG-IND ODI series doesn't reflect the true picture because both Series were played in later part of summer; WC will end by mid July. In June-July ball will swing in UK even on flattest of wickets. Bounce or pace was never MoHa's biggest problem, won't be much even at this age, but he is almost like tail-ender against anything that moves slightly, off the surface or in air. Most of his serial killers are movers of the ball, rather than blasters. He'll struggle in WC, you can take any bet on that, but if his bowling is effective, may be, just may be he can be taken in squad as 2nd spinner to bat at 6. I don't think with a legal action he is better than Mahmudullah or Mosaddek, hence I'll not pick him - PAK might think otherwise.

PAK is an unique cricket nation which digs own hole from tactical blunders, and then jumps into it. You can recall my post just before Asia Cup - "if Sarfraz's team fails to win Asia Cup, MoHa'll come back against AUS squad, if they fail to make the Final, he'll open against AUS .... and if they fail to make Super 4 - he might lead against AUS (I kept this part in dots, from the fear of Pankha base, BD didn't knocked PAK out of Asia Cup yet when I wrote that post).

MoHa is extremely lucky to get the chance of bashing this AUS side because Ul Haq, his Dronachraya & his Arjun picked a horrible squad in Asia Cup with 6 pacers and absolute no specialist spinners - after playing there as home for 10 years now. Even with 2 regular spinners PAK won't have made the cut simply because of the show by their batsmen, but it won't have been such a bankrupt show, despite Sarfraz's novice Captaincy. MoHa is called back from a panic mood rather than anything else, otherwise he won't have carried drinks against ZIM reserves and won't have missed the SRL Test series last year.

Now, that one blunder (of Asia Cup), could have resulted positively for a more intelligent cricket team - that's sacking & dropping of Sarfraz, and couple of genuine spinners picked for AUS Series, may be 1-2 new batting faces as well - WC is 8 months away, with a full domestic season & one PSL to go - more than enough time to almost rebuild a fresh squad. For PAK & PCB, it obviously has gone from boiling water to frying pan - Sarfraz retained (he'll be sacked, or "rested" after SAF tour, almost certainly), MoHa, Wahab called back, they are playing 4 spinners, 3 of them "all-rounders", and I won't be surprised if PAK ends up giving overs to Asad & Azhar as well - that makes 5 spin "all-rounder", who can bowl & contribute with bat.
 
Mohammad Hafeez might be useful in the middle order only if he could bowl. He surely should not open in ODIs. Pakistan still need to address the opening issue. I don't think Fakhar Zaman and Imam-ul-Haq are the right choice to open in England with Babar coming in at number 3.
 
Surely this perfomance can't be the only thing that brings him back into the ODI squad for the WC...

Assuming he does get selected for the squad (which he probably will after thrashing AUS), how will we fit him and Malik into the team? Or will it be one or the other in the final XI?
 
Another thing people forget he was one of our better bats in Disastrous NZ series.Still feel he can be much useful than Asif who is a hack.Just because he is 37 doesn't mean he is useless.The problem for us is that I see a thin batting line up after Malik.As a Example In our second Game Againist India in Asia cup we were going good till about 41st over when Malik got out and then we struggled againist them.Hafeez could have taken from there againist Kuldeep,Bhuvi unlike Asif who played a brainless shot.

Also pitches in England are flat nowadays which suits him.He is must againist Teams like India,Bangladesh who rely on spin during Middle overs due to his ability to play spin.Againist other sides we can experiment with Asif
 
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