Is Shadab Khan not interested in Test cricket?

[msb314]

I can understand the anger but Amir really was naive and put in a terribly awkward situation by his seniors at the time

Cut him some slack. The door of Tauba is never closed. We should just hope that he has learned from a big mistake that has cost him too much as it is.

From a strictly cricketing POV. Amir seemed to be very happy with the way Mickey Arthur was handling his workload and his commitments to T20 franchise leagues etc. Everything changed for him when Misbah “I know better than everyone” ul Haq took over and seemed to have it in for Amir.

People here defended Misbah for his strict/stringent stance on full availability for all formats but then they should also stay consistent on Shadab as well.

I still do not understand this argument. How come everyone else at the time (Yousuf, Azhar, Amin, Imran Farhat, Yasir Hameed, Wahab etc.) was not “naive” and were not influenced by Salman Butt / Asif??

Amir is certainly not naive but it was just his back luck that he got caught. Very cunning and shrewd.. but I don’t blame him for his actions today as he is trying to maximize his earning in T20 franchise cricket - which is the future that cricket is heading!

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Said it last year as well that Shadab should have played QeA instead of BBL. Playing the longer version helps the bowlers a lot especially the spinners. This is a problem of fast tracking players into internationals. Hasnain, Haris, Wasim, etc all have played very little red ball cricket.

 

[Hectic]

Is he fit and available? If yes then he simply has to be brought into the squad.

England want to play a white ball brand in tests. Pakistan have to answer that by bringing in their prime white ball bowler. I know he doesn't play a lot of FC cricket but that doesn't really matter against England who play the game at such fast rate. They won't keep you in the field for days. It plays to Shadab's strengths to have batsmen who want to attack him because it makes him a dangerous wicket taking bowler.

Let Nawaz do the donkey work where he ties up one end and bowls wicket to wicket. From the other end you have attacking and wicket taking options like Naseem and Shadab.

Also what having Nawaz and Shadab at 7 and 8 does is you extend the batting significantly instead of having a genuine tailender like Naseem coming in at 8.

 

[BreadPakoda]

He can easily get a spot in the team right now and can even become a future captaincy contender.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan has a riddiculously long tail which you cannot have against a quality side like England, Australia. You can't have numbers 8 to 11 who are guaranteed walking wickets and who cannot be relied to score quickly and support a set batsman is batting at the other end.

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan has a riddiculously long tail which you cannot have against a quality side like England, Australia. You can't have numbers 8 to 11 who are guaranteed walking wickets and who cannot be relied to score quickly and support a set batsman is batting at the other end.

They should have played Fahim and Nawaz.

 

[Savak]

They should have played Fahim and Nawaz.

Its a catch 22 situation. Faheem's bowling has regressed, he can at best play a holding roll where he bowls to give the strike bowlers a rest but you need 90 mph pace atleast and someone like Ali to do the line, length, long spell roles and Faheem Ashraf to also roll his arm over to give rest to the bowlers.

I would drop Azhar Ali and play Faheem Ashraf in his place as surely Faheem can bat better than Azhar Ali.

 

[ethan hunt]

He needs to play test cricket at home.
Zahid representing pakistan in the premier format is a travesty
Shadab is a better batsman than Salman agha and a better bowler than Zahid.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I think we should reduce our priority on tests and focus solely on T20 and ODIs.

The PCB should also start to place more priorities on the shorter formats.

I have come to this realisation after a long time watching and defending test cricket.

The joy that we got in the last few months during the asia cup, england series, tri series and wc was unparalleled. Going forward, I don't think any test series can compare. Bear in mind we lost most of those tournaments I mentioned yet the fans were still transfixed.

No point the PCB flogging a dead horse. We dont have the cricketing culture to sustain both like Australia and England have, nor do we have the wealth to plough back into the long format like India have.

I now prefer that Shadab brings us joy and glory in the LOI formats instead of forcing a square peg into a round hole just for the sake of cricketing tradition.

Best post in the thread. I hope more folks wake up and realise that enough is enough. I love Test cricket but this outdated tradition is holding the sport back.

 

[riddu]

better to sack him in both t20 odi .. if he cant play tests .. lets us fans say we dont need money khan. next time ..
we will replace him with abrar in all fields ..

 

[shamaan]

Its a catch 22 situation. Faheem's bowling has regressed, he can at best play a holding roll where he bowls to give the strike bowlers a rest but you need 90 mph pace atleast and someone like Ali to do the line, length, long spell roles and Faheem Ashraf to also roll his arm over to give rest to the bowlers.

I would drop Azhar Ali and play Faheem Ashraf in his place as surely Faheem can bat better than Azhar Ali.

Fahim should play as third seamer but not in a 2 man pace attack.

 

[Cricket-lion]

better to sack him in both t20 odi .. if he cant play tests .. lets us fans say we dont need money khan. next time ..
we will replace him with abrar in all fields ..

Yes, lets destroy our T20 and ODI side too. Great comments from you. Shadab is a good limited overs players.

 

[ethan hunt]

How is he allowed to play BBL while there is a home test series on where the team had a chance to qualify for the WTC?
This is absolutely ridiculous from the selectors and Ramiz.

 

[ethan hunt]

Really need some clarity on this situation. Zahid over shadab in test cricket is a horrible call.

 

[MenInG]

Doing well in BBL

3/20 in 4 overs so far for Hobart Hurricanes vs Melbourne Renegades

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[pratiktc]

^ Why has he not played FC cricket for a while? Why has he only played 11 FC matches since his professional debut?

It seems no one wants to ask these questions.

To be fair, it is hard to blame player or selectors for this. Probably both parties realise that Shadab is a useless long format player with neither batting ability to average 25+ or bowling ability to average under 45 in Tests. An Imad Wasim might be more useful in a test match as a plugging away bowler and a #8 batter.

Pak selectors are blamed for overrating many talents, this time they seem to have got it right and player agrees with them as well thus making no effort to improve his skillset.

Can't compare him to likes of Moeen, Adil and Jadeja who worked hard in domestic/A level on their limitations and gave their best efforts for their respective countries when called upon in Test format as spinners.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

We need him in the side ASAP as a skipper.

If he can't bowl then play him as a batsman. Hes got enough in him to average 33-35 with the bat and perhaps bowl as 5th bowler in tests with a reduced workload.

 

[wrongun]

We need him in the side ASAP as a skipper.

If he can't bowl then play him as a batsman. Hes got enough in him to average 33-35 with the bat and perhaps bowl as 5th bowler in tests with a reduced workload.

I agree. He would add so much balance to the side, play as 5th bowler, only needs to bowl 10-15 overs a day.
In SENA, 3 quicks, 1 full time spinner + Shadab
in Asia 2 quicks, 2 full time spinners (or extra allround spinner) + Shadab.

No one sees much left arm wrist spin, it's a valuable commodity.

 

[Ab Fan]

He should have been playing all matches and be a key member like Babar and Shaheen. Don't know what is the reason he isn't playing but is he good enough for this level in this format? The answer is yes, a Daniel Bryan yes with both hands raised upward and fingers pointing on top!

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

He should have been playing all matches and be a key member like Babar and Shaheen. Don't know what is the reason he isn't playing but is he good enough for this level in this format? The answer is yes, a Daniel Bryan yes with both hands raised upward and fingers pointing on top!

He absolutely should not. He’s vital to the balance of our white ball sides, and has had numerous soft tissue injuries in the last few years. Thus, we need to regulate his playing time judiciously. If we need to extend his career, he absolutely can’t be bowling 20 overs a day. This becomes even more important if he’s given the white ball captaincy. You only need to see Pakistan’s handling/overplaying of the likes of Junaid Khan and Mohammed Amir to see how not to treat your bowling talents. We’ve now begun to do the same with Abrar.

And let’s face it, Shadab was never a red ball leggie because he takes wickets via pressure, rather than by setting batsmen up. So don’t know why people are crying about him not being in the test team or in first class.

 

[Ab Fan]

He absolutely should not. He’s vital to the balance of our white ball sides, and has had numerous soft tissue injuries in the last few years. Thus, we need to regulate his playing time judiciously. If we need to extend his career, he absolutely can’t be bowling 20 overs a day. This becomes even more important if he’s given the white ball captaincy. You only need to see Pakistan’s handling/overplaying of the likes of Junaid Khan and Mohammed Amir to see how not to treat your bowling talents. We’ve now begun to do the same with Abrar.

And let’s face it, Shadab was never a red ball leggie because he takes wickets via pressure, rather than by setting batsmen up. So don’t know why people are crying about him not being in the test team or in first class.

Shadab is a spinner and not a fast bowler so it is a bit surprising that one really have to care so much of the workload thing in his case and at this young age.

Now since you say that he has numerous injuries, I still say you have to try and find the right balance by atleast playing him in Tests vs top teams like Australia or England. Those are extremely crucial matches and a player can't be rested for that. Instead rest him in bilateral LOIs.

Whatever I have seen of him, he is a lot like Washington Sundar ( slightly better batter to Shadab but both take wickets by setting pressure on batsman) and ultimately his drive and hunger for test cricket will decide how good he can become.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He absolutely should not. He’s vital to the balance of our white ball sides, and has had numerous soft tissue injuries in the last few years. Thus, we need to regulate his playing time judiciously. If we need to extend his career, he absolutely can’t be bowling 20 overs a day. This becomes even more important if he’s given the white ball captaincy. You only need to see Pakistan’s handling/overplaying of the likes of Junaid Khan and Mohammed Amir to see how not to treat your bowling talents. We’ve now begun to do the same with Abrar.

And let’s face it, Shadab was never a red ball leggie because he takes wickets via pressure, rather than by setting batsmen up. So don’t know why people are crying about him not being in the test team or in first class.

He can play as a batsman and skipper.

I agree he isn't cut out for bowling long spells in test matches.

If we can bring him into the side as a batsman who bowls only when its really needed ( day 5 on a crumbling pitch for example) it will help rectify the captaincy issue.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I think he is injured now in BBL and wouldn’t be available for selection for the LOI series against NZL

 

[Markhor]

This subject keeps coming up.

Again, what desire has Shadab shown to play FC cricket ? Is he willing to forgo a T20 contract to play QEA Trophy ?

Also, his injury record shows he struggles to stay fit for white ball cricket, so his durability for all formats is questionable.

 

[MenInG]

 

[Saj]

On his day he is a match-winner, we all know that.

But my main concern about him is that he is showing signs of a cricketer going through the motions, playing in tournament after tournament, for franchise after franchise. Is that hunger and desire still there or is it a case of making easy money day after day?

 

[Savak]

On his day he is a match-winner, we all know that.

But my main concern about him is that he is showing signs of a cricketer going through the motions, playing in tournament after tournament, for franchise after franchise. Is that hunger and desire still there or is it a case of making easy money day after day?

Mickey Arthur's role will be key. Mickey in his previous tenure wanted Shadab as Pakistan's premier spinner in test matches. Can he convince Shadab to take the red ball format seriously?

 

[Saj]

Well he wants to play Test cricket and play first-class cricket.

Let's see if that happens.

 

[hitthestump]

On his day he is a match-winner, we all know that.

But my main concern about him is that he is showing signs of a cricketer going through the motions, playing in tournament after tournament, for franchise after franchise. Is that hunger and desire still there or is it a case of making easy money day after day?

He has been in absolutely horrible form for a while now. The situation called for some time away from the pitch and to hone his craft in the NHPC so he could identify and correct what he was doing wrong.

Instead he has chosen to play meaningless game after meaningless game. If anything the mistakes he is making are being further ingrained into his muscle memory.

Shadab's loss is Usama Mir's gain.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Shadab Khan returns to red-ball cricket, set to captain Rawalpindi region in Quaid-e-Azam Trophy 2024.

 

[Xoib]

After Babar, Naseem and Shaheen this is the next prima Donna who needs to be shown his aukaat

 

[Mainul]

Sadab is simply a bits and pieces cricketer. Neither goo with the ball nor special with the bat.

Until he drastically improves his bowling i shall never consider him in test cricket.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sheddy should try to develop into a batting AR for test

 

[gazza619]

Sheddy should try to develop into a batting AR for test

Bruh its seem like you are not aware of Shaddy and his father in law’s shenanigans.

Keep them two away from the cricket set up if you want to succeed.

 

[sweep_shot]

No need for Shadab now. Sajid and Noman are in the house.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Shadab Khan returns to red-ball cricket, set to captain Rawalpindi region in Quaid-e-Azam Trophy 2024.

If there is any cricketer who desperately needs to play more FC cricket, its him.

 

[FearlessRoar]

If there is any cricketer who desperately needs to play more FC cricket, its him.

Strategist Saqlain is behind this

 

[FearlessRoar]

Rawalpindi's Shadab Khan scores 84 (72) against AJK on Day 2 of the second round of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy 2024

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If we go with the spin pitches he will add more to the team than Zahid Mahmood for sure

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Bruh its seem like you are not aware of Shaddy and his father in law’s shenanigans.

Keep them two away from the cricket set up if you want to succeed.

Sheddy is a potential Pakistan captain and X Factor player for Pakistan.

He has been a real dud recently but if he gets his act together can really help to balance the side. Playing first class cricket shows he is keen.

 

[Bewal Express]

Sheddy is a potential Pakistan captain and X Factor player for Pakistan.

He has been a real dud recently but if he gets his act together can really help to balance the side. Playing first class cricket shows he is keen.

Got to turn the ball. If he could hold his place in the team as a bowler, he would become a serious player. But so far the evidence is negative.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Too old to become a genuine Test bowler.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Got to turn the ball. If he could hold his place in the team as a bowler, he would become a serious player. But so far the evidence is negative.

I don't think he is capable of being a genuine spinner but could be a handy 2nd/3rd option and allrounder

 

[Bewal Express]

I don't think he is capable of being a genuine spinner but could be a handy 2nd/3rd option and allrounder

It requires hard work and risk. His action releases the ball from underneath his hand, this may have just about over time and just feels comfortable but it doesn't impart sharp side spin. If he was to work on that he may lose it all as the changes may destroy his current action and release but i think it's worth the risk.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Too old to become a genuine Test bowler.

He hasn't turned 30 yet and mostly top-quality Test spinners are over 30

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He hasn't turned 30 yet and mostly top-quality Test spinners are over 30

Guy barely plays FC cricket and last played a Test 4.5 years ago.

Which spinner makes it back to Test cricket after that?

 

[RidiculousMan]

Guy barely plays FC cricket and last played a Test 4.5 years ago.

Which spinner makes it back to Test cricket after that?

He's playing FC right now. He can still make it if he does well in FC. We have no reason to believe he can't even at a later age. Because in world Cricket people have made debuts well over their 30s and had great International Careers. Shadab is no slouch to International Cricket either. So there's that experience.

 

[Hellion]

He's playing FC right now. He can still make it if he does well in FC. We have no reason to believe he can't even at a later age. Because in world Cricket people have made debuts well over their 30s and had great International Careers. Shadab is no slouch to International Cricket either. So there's that experience.

Those who do that were continuously playing FC cricket . Shadab wasn't as far as I can tell.

He was constantly playing overseas leagues for years wasn't he ?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He's playing FC right now. He can still make it if he does well in FC. We have no reason to believe he can't even at a later age. Because in world Cricket people have made debuts well over their 30s and had great International Careers. Shadab is no slouch to International Cricket either. So there's that experience.

Good luck if you think a guy who has played only 12-13 FC games in 8 years can turn it around now.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Good luck if you think a guy who has played only 12-13 FC games in 8 years can turn it around now.

He can. That's the reality of things because he has got time on his side. If he really wants to make a comeback in red ball Cricket. He can surely try to.

 

[Xoib]

I think he would need couple of seasons atleast to get himself back on track but I don’t think he will have the patience if it dosent happen this season he will lose interest again

 

[khyberlion]

If we go with the spin pitches he will add more to the team than Zahid Mahmood for sure

Anyone one would be an upgrade over zahid mehmood let alone shadab.

 

[moghul]

Test cricket is not interested in Shadab Khan.

 

[zaidihusain]

Failure of Shadab to become a proper test cricketer is a big disappointment honestly. Someone who debuted at the age of 16-17 had enough time to develop himself as a specialist spinner but unfortunately his priorities were totally different. Not sure what advise he got from his FIL but seriously his contribution to Pakistan cricket after that CT2017 is almost nothing

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He can. That's the reality of things because he has got time on his side. If he really wants to make a comeback in red ball Cricket. He can surely try to.

He hasn't even been a decent ODI spinner for nearly 6 years . Declined even in T20 cricket over the last 2 years.

He should focus on those 2 formats .

Test class wrist spinners are a very rare breed.

They are not easily developed

 

[Savak]

Shadab like Shaheen is another age fudger who on paper is 24 but in reality is 30. There has been a massive decline in his fitness in recent years, he's put on a bit of weight and moves slower in the field now.

Sources close to him blame a long standing groin hamstring problem for the decline in his bowling

 

[Savak]

Failure of Shadab to become a proper test cricketer is a big disappointment honestly. Someone who debuted at the age of 16-17 had enough time to develop himself as a specialist spinner but unfortunately his priorities were totally different. Not sure what advise he got from his FIL but seriously his contribution to Pakistan cricket after that CT2017 is almost nothing

His father in law presided over the worst spell of our domestic home bumper season where we churned out the worst roads against Australia, England and New Zealand.

Aqib Javed and co were able to show how spin tracks are actually churned out and developed even when faced with a time crunch.

Saqlain is incompetent and should just stick to delivering sermons in a mosque. Only a team like Pakistan will appoint him as head coach

 

[ElRaja]

Sheddy is a potential Pakistan captain and X Factor player for Pakistan.

He has been a real dud recently but if he gets his act together can really help to balance the side. Playing first class cricket shows he is keen.

totally agree, he doesnt need to bowl that much, with his googly he could bowl 10 to 15 overs a test, help clean up the tail when needed, and average 30 odd with the bat. with his fielding he would easily contribute more than zahid or abrar. it would also mean paks tail would have some batting ability till 11.

a good QeA, average 30 odd with bat, 20 odd with ball, and im guessing hell be in contention for the home tests against WI next year.

 

[Bewal Express]

Shadab like Shaheen is another age fudger who on paper is 24 but in reality is 30. There has been a massive decline in his fitness in recent years, he's put on a bit of weight and moves slower in the field now.

Sources close to him blame a long standing groin hamstring problem for the decline in his bowling

Aged 28.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It requires hard work and risk. His action releases the ball from underneath his hand, this may have just about over time and just feels comfortable but it doesn't impart sharp side spin. If he was to work on that he may lose it all as the changes may destroy his current action and release but i think it's worth the risk.

I'm not sure about the technicalities of his actions but major rework will risk his limited over career.

He can be a 35-37 average bowler and 35-37 average batsman though without doing anything drastic which is a handy player in the right conditions.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

totally agree, he doesnt need to bowl that much, with his googly he could bowl 10 to 15 overs a test, help clean up the tail when needed, and average 30 odd with the bat. with his fielding he would easily contribute more than zahid or abrar. it would also mean paks tail would have some batting ability till 11.

a good QeA, average 30 odd with bat, 20 odd with ball, and im guessing hell be in contention for the home tests against WI next year.

I think in FC cricket he has the capability to be a decent batsman. Not good enough as a stand alone batsman but if you had one some ok bowling like you have suggested and fielding he will be a good option.

You and @Bewal Express will be able to comment better but as a pure leggie Usman Qadir seemed to have all the tricks. He just didn't want to do the hard yards in FC cricket it seems.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It's interesting to see how other posters have read into Shadab playing FC cricket again.

Over the last 2 years he has diminished greatly as a T20 bowler and has been smashed at 9+ RPO in every league he has played - Vitality, Hundred, PSL, ILT20, MLC - except LPL.

Franchises are no longer interested as he was rejected both in The Hundred and the upcoming BBL season.

Now that he has been dropped from the ODI side as well after nearly 6 years of failure, he has no choice now but to play all the domestic cricket he can and salvage whatever is left of his career.

Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf may have to play more domestic too since they weren't taken up in BBL and may not be taken in the Hundred next year either.

 

[Bewal Express]

I think in FC cricket he has the capability to be a decent batsman. Not good enough as a stand alone batsman but if you had one some ok bowling like you have suggested and fielding he will be a good option.

You and @Bewal Express will be able to comment better but as a pure leggie Usman Qadir seemed to have all the tricks. He just didn't want to do the hard yards in FC cricket it seems.

Definitely true about Qadir. He wasted his talent with the lack intelligence to utilise it. Qadir should have got 100s of overs in FC but you could tell he was just too lazy and flaky to do the hard yards, He would have been an investment

 

[Bewal Express]

I'm not sure about the technicalities of his actions but major rework will risk his limited over career.

He can be a 35-37 average bowler and 35-37 average batsman though without doing anything drastic which is a handy player in the right conditions.

And that's why he is worried to change his release. His is under spin with a tiny bit of side, to be successful he needs more side spin

 

[Farabi]

totally agree, he doesnt need to bowl that much, with his googly he could bowl 10 to 15 overs a test, help clean up the tail when needed, and average 30 odd with the bat. with his fielding he would easily contribute more than zahid or abrar. it would also mean paks tail would have some batting ability till 11.

a good QeA, average 30 odd with bat, 20 odd with ball, and im guessing hell be in contention for the home tests against WI next year.

Test cricket is for specialists. It’s a poor idea. Pakistan should focus on specialist spinners both in Test and ODI cricket as wicket taking options.
Even at his peak, he couldn’t cut it as a test all rounder. He doesn’t have the batting technique to average 30 odd in test cricket and grind out a session or 2.
It’s time to move on!

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

He should focused on his bowling from the beginning and become a specialist bowler. He is not an all rounder and certainly not a middle order batter The case of the fake AR.

 

[Farabi]

totally agree, he doesnt need to bowl that much, with his googly he could bowl 10 to 15 overs a test, help clean up the tail when needed, and average 30 odd with the bat. with his fielding he would easily contribute more than zahid or abrar. it would also mean paks tail would have some batting ability till 11.

a good QeA, average 30 odd with bat, 20 odd with ball, and im guessing hell be in contention for the home tests against WI next year.

For test cricket, think the question should be:

1. As a batter, can this guy be trusted to take the team to a respectable total from a tricky position against a world class attack.
2. As a bowler, is this guy capabale of dismissing the opposition’s key middle order batters, deceiving them based on their skill.

As an allrounder, you need to have at least one of them.

 

[BouncerGuy]

No need. Test cricket does not need him.

He should be playing FC if he wants to improve but we all know these guys wants free ride.

 

[zaidihusain]

His father in law presided over the worst spell of our domestic home bumper season where we churned out the worst roads against Australia, England and New Zealand.

Aqib Javed and co were able to show how spin tracks are actually churned out and developed even when faced with a time crunch.

Saqlain is incompetent and should just stick to delivering sermons in a mosque. Only a team like Pakistan will appoint him as head coach

Agree, Saqlain was a huge failure as a coach, he didn't favor spin friendly pitches neither did he developed any specialist spinner under him. Pakistan might have won at least 5 out of those 8 home test matches if team management had preferred rank turners. Anyways, Shadab spoiled his own career in a big way, he is just an ordinary 4 over bowler.

 

[ElRaja]

Test cricket is for specialists. It’s a poor idea. Pakistan should focus on specialist spinners both in Test and ODI cricket as wicket taking options.
Even at his peak, he couldn’t cut it as a test all rounder. He doesn’t have the batting technique to average 30 odd in test cricket and grind out a session or 2.
It’s time to move on!

you dont need three specialist spinners, zahid barely bowled against england. in spin heavy conditions you can afford to carry a bits and pieces player esp if they are a good fielder.

I think in FC cricket he has the capability to be a decent batsman. Not good enough as a stand alone batsman but if you had one some ok bowling like you have suggested and fielding he will be a good option.

You and @Bewal Express will be able to comment better but as a pure leggie Usman Qadir seemed to have all the tricks. He just didn't want to do the hard yards in FC cricket it seems.

usman qadir did have all the tricks, but to be a leggie u need brains and a big heart, and i dont think he had either. in terms of technical skill kaneria was superior to yasir shah, but yasir had a far more balanced disposition. yasir on song bowled some unplayable innings. kaneria despite being the technically superior leggy always seemed like he was one bad ball away from losing control. usman qadir was a significantly poorer mans kaneria imo.

i think on spinning pitches shaddy could be a handful, because he doesnt impart much side spin on his leggie the natural varation of a worse pitch is likely to make his stock leggie more dangerous, esp given the googly has never been the problem for him.

 

[FearlessRoar]

In the second round of Quaid-e-Azam Trophy 2024, Shadab Khan delivered an impressive all-round performance for Rawalpindi Region against AJK.

Batting: 84 (72)
Bowling: 2/4 & 3/7

 

[Katwalindian]

He was good in 2017 CT, 2019 wc, 2021 t20, 2022 t20 was great but regressed after that, still better than the likes of nawaz, imad, zahid mehmood and other bits and pieces crickters.

Failure of Shadab to become a proper test cricketer is a big disappointment honestly. Someone who debuted at the age of 16-17 had enough time to develop himself as a specialist spinner but unfortunately his priorities were totally different. Not sure what advise he got from his FIL but seriously his contribution to Pakistan cricket after that CT2017 is almost nothing

 

[ads101]

Downfall started when this guy was told he could bat. He’s trying to transform into a batting allrounder ever since.

Shaheen has tried something similar too, you can see how he promotes himself in PSL. But thankfully his batting ability is less so he knows he can’t neglect his bowling.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Nice to see Shadab have a great all-round game and who knows, a full FC season can do him wonders and get him some confidence back. We've seen it so many times over the years where players take a break, work themselves in domestic and make a comeback. It happened with the likes of Hafeez/Malik and I hope he does make a big comeback. He was so valuable for Pakistan in the 17' CT, 19' WC, 21' WC and 22' WC and he's become a fairly reliable bat in recent years. It's just about getting his bowling back to his earlier days then it would be huge. There's some time before the next T20 & ODI WC for him to find his form again.

 

[Farabi]

you dont need three specialist spinners, zahid barely bowled against england. in spin heavy conditions you can afford to carry a bits and pieces player esp if they are a good fielder.



usman qadir did have all the tricks, but to be a leggie u need brains and a big heart, and i dont think he had either. in terms of technical skill kaneria was superior to yasir shah, but yasir had a far more balanced disposition. yasir on song bowled some unplayable innings. kaneria despite being the technically superior leggy always seemed like he was one bad ball away from losing control. usman qadir was a significantly poorer mans kaneria imo.

i think on spinning pitches shaddy could be a handful, because he doesnt impart much side spin on his leggie the natural varation of a worse pitch is likely to make his stock leggie more dangerous, esp given the googly has never been the problem for him.

You won’t always be able to rely on Noman and Sajid to tear through opposition line-ups. Other teams will adapt, and some will play spin more skillfully—like New Zealand did in India. To consistently take 20 wickets, you’ll need a varied attack with 4-5 bowlers who can succeed against any team. Depending on the opposition, that may mean selecting an extra spinner or pacer.

Shadab, however, lacks the precision and skill to outwit batters in longer formats; he’s more suited to T20s. His batting technique is more like a tail-ender's—he can hit a few big shots but lacks the temperament and technique of a true Test all-rounder, who builds an innings, rotates strike, and handles swing, seam, and spin effectively. It’s likely too late for Shadab to transform into that kind of player.

For him, the focus should be on refining his leg-spin, working on turn and control to solidify his role in T20s, where he can truly shine.

 

[Farabi]

Nice to see Shadab have a great all-round game and who knows, a full FC season can do him wonders and get him some confidence back. We've seen it so many times over the years where players take a break, work themselves in domestic and make a comeback. It happened with the likes of Hafeez/Malik and I hope he does make a big comeback. He was so valuable for Pakistan in the 17' CT, 19' WC, 21' WC and 22' WC and he's become a fairly reliable bat in recent years. It's just about getting his bowling back to his earlier days then it would be huge. There's some time before the next T20 & ODI WC for him to find his form again.

Fairly reliable bat? Apart from that innings vs SA in 2022, when has he contributed with the bat anymore than what’s expected from a no8. Even Naseem, Shaheen have contributed with the bat, but that doesn’t make anybody an all rounder.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Downfall started when this guy was told he could bat. He’s trying to transform into a batting allrounder ever since.

Shaheen has tried something similar too, you can see how he promotes himself in PSL. But thankfully his batting ability is less so he knows he can’t neglect his bowling.

Shadab was supposed to have become our Rashid Khan

 

[ElRaja]

You won’t always be able to rely on Noman and Sajid to tear through opposition line-ups. Other teams will adapt, and some will play spin more skillfully—like New Zealand did in India. To consistently take 20 wickets, you’ll need a varied attack with 4-5 bowlers who can succeed against any team. Depending on the opposition, that may mean selecting an extra spinner or pacer.

Shadab, however, lacks the precision and skill to outwit batters in longer formats; he’s more suited to T20s. His batting technique is more like a tail-ender's—he can hit a few big shots but lacks the temperament and technique of a true Test all-rounder, who builds an innings, rotates strike, and handles swing, seam, and spin effectively. It’s likely too late for Shadab to transform into that kind of player.

For him, the focus should be on refining his leg-spin, working on turn and control to solidify his role in T20s, where he can truly shine.

you seem to have misunderstood what i said, i said in spinning conditions, i.e. when pakistan go with the same strategy of trying to win by spin. im not saying he should play every test, but that he would add far more than zahid mehmood did as a third batter, who can add 20, 25 down the order, and catch well.

 

[Farabi]

you seem to have misunderstood what i said, i said in spinning conditions, i.e. when pakistan go with the same strategy of trying to win by spin. im not saying he should play every test, but that he would add far more than zahid mehmood did as a third batter, who can add 20, 25 down the order, and catch well.

We haven’t really seen enough of Zahid Mahmood yet, so it’s all speculation. But if he can consistently take key wickets—especially on days when Noman or Sajid are struggling—he deserves a shot as the main spinner.

If Shadab Khan can do the same, then play him. But the idea that Shadab can “do a bit of everything”—bowl some, bat some, and field well—isn’t really how you build a Test team. Test cricket needs specialists who can win games in their primary roles, not just bits-and-pieces players.

 

[Hawkeye]

What a useless cricketer this guy is.

Whatever left was in his bowling, he gave it all away after trying to become an allrounder. He’s an absolutely pathetic batter and someone who is NOT his well wisher keeps feeding him that he can bat.

These meaningless runs against absolute trash bowling never count. He is a sitting duck as a batsman in international cricket and cannot score at will against all the top 5-6 sides.

He keeps ruining his career further, and if PCB has any sense, they should keep him as far away as possible from all formats of cricket.

Let him play domestic cricket that is his ceiling.