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As he battled to save his job this month, Boris Johnson warned his MPs not to get into “some hellish, Groundhog Day debate about the merits of belonging to the single market”. Brexit, he warned his mutinous party in a sweaty House of Commons meeting room, was settled.

Later that day, Johnson limped to victory in a confidence vote, but only after 41 per cent of his MPs had voted to oust him from Downing Street. He is safe for now but the defining project of his premiership — Brexit — still hangs like a cloud over Britain’s fragile economy.

Johnson may not want his party “relitigating” Brexit but neither does Sir Keir Starmer, leader of the opposition Labour party, around a third of whose supporters voted Leave in the 2016 referendum. Nor does Andrew Bailey, governor of the Bank of England. Rishi Sunak, the chancellor, would rather talk about something else. Brexit has become the great British taboo.

But as the sixth anniversary of the UK’s vote to leave the EU approaches, economists are starting to quantify the damage caused by the erection of trade barriers with its biggest market, separating the “Brexit effect” from the damage caused by the Covid-19 pandemic. They conclude that the damage is real and it is not over yet.

The UK is lagging behind the rest of the G7 in terms of trade recovery after the pandemic; business investment, seen by Johnson and Sunak as the panacea to a poor growth rate, trails other industrialised countries, in spite of lavish Treasury tax breaks to try to drive it up. Next year, according to the OECD think-tank, the UK will have the lowest growth in the G20, apart from sanctioned Russia.

The Office for Budget Responsibility, the official British forecaster, has seen no reason to change its prediction, first made in March 2020, that Brexit would ultimately reduce productivity and UK gross domestic product by 4 per cent compared with a world where the country remained inside the EU. It says that a little over half of that damage has yet to occur.

That level of decline, worth about £100bn a year in lost output, would result in lost revenues for the Treasury of roughly £40bn a year. That is £40bn that might have been available to the beleaguered Johnson for the radical tax cuts demanded by the Tory right — the equivalent of 6p off the 20p in the pound basic rate of income tax.

Despite these sobering figures, Johnson’s complaints about the prospect of “relitigating” Brexit was exaggerated, intended to portray himself as the victim of a putative plot by pro-Remain MPs. In fact, British politicians — and the wider country — are still traumatised by the bitter Brexit saga, and deeply unwilling to revisit it.

Still, this month has seen the first stirrings of a debate that until now has been buried as the evidence of Brexit-induced economic self-harm starts to pile up. Few are talking about reversing Brexit altogether, but another question is being asked: should the UK start to explore with Brussels ways of softening its edges?

Show, don’t tell

Downing Street insisted this week it was “too early to pass judgment” on whether Brexit was having a negative impact on the economy, which could be heading into a recession. “The opportunities Brexit provides will be a boon to the UK economy in the long run,” Johnson’s spokesman said.

Both Johnson and Sunak insist that it is hard at this stage to separate Brexit’s economic impact from the shock of Covid. In the meantime, the prime minister promotes the “benefits of Brexit”, such as new trade agreements with Australia and New Zealand and the freedom for the UK to set its own rules.

Sunak has promised a reform of rules in the City of London, including reforming the EU’s Solvency II rules to allow insurers to spend more money on infrastructure projects. He has announced eight new freeports with special tax privileges.

But economists have not yet been able to find any significant positive impacts of these policies. Some, including Johnson’s patriotic promise to put a “crown stamp” on pint glasses in pubs and to allow traders to sell their wares in pounds and ounces, are primarily symbolic.

Critics of government Brexit policy are routinely derided. Suella Braverman, attorney-general, last week accused the ITV presenter Robert Peston of “Remainiac make-believe” after he challenged her over the government’s unilateral plan to rip up the Brexit treaty relating to Northern Ireland. Braverman claimed the so-called Northern Ireland protocol had left the region “lagging behind the rest of the UK”. In fact, Northern Ireland (the only area of the UK to remain in the EU’s single market for goods) is the best performing part of the country, apart from London.

When Bailey appeared before the House of Commons treasury committee in mid May, the BoE governor acknowledged that his predecessor Mark Carney had made himself “unpopular” for saying Brexit would have a negative effect on trade, but that the bank held to that view.

Kevin Hollinrake, a Tory member of the committee, says Bailey was trying to avoid becoming a political target and was “deliberately avoiding” talking about Brexit. “It’s a singular issue for the UK,” the MP says. “We have changed our immigration rules. It’s about non-tariff barriers. You’ve got to be willing to look at what’s happening on the ground.”

While some gloomy predictions have failed to materialise, such as former chancellor George Osborne’s 2016 warning of a recession immediately after a Leave vote, there is growing evidence that Brexit is causing more lasting damage to UK economic prospects.

Ministers are becoming more reluctant to proclaim the economic upsides of Brexit. Kwasi Kwarteng, business secretary, was asked last week at the FT Global Boardroom to list some Brexit benefits. He focused on the UK’s ability to respond swiftly to Russian aggression in Ukraine — “it has substantial benefits particularly in international policy” — rather than on business. Sunak’s allies say the chancellor’s approach is to “show, not tell” on Brexit, pushing through City regulatory reforms rather than giving boosterish speeches on its economic merits.

The fallout in data

The first and most obvious economic blow delivered by Brexit came when sterling fell almost 10 per cent after the referendum in June 2016, against currencies that match the UK’s pattern of imports. It did not recover. This sharp depreciation was not followed by a boom in exports as UK goods and services became cheaper on global markets, but it did raise the price of imports and pushed up inflation.

By June 2018, a team of academic economists at the Centre for Economic Policy Research calculated that there had been a Brexit inflation effect, raising consumer prices by 2.9 per cent, with no corresponding increase in wages.

Some households, such as those relying on state pensions, were compensated in higher benefits, but the CEPR team found no overall offset with higher incomes. “The Brexit vote delivered a swift negative shock to UK living standards,” they wrote.

While the UK was still in the EU and during the Brexit “transition phase”, there were no significant effects on trade flows. But this has changed since stricter border controls were introduced at the start of 2021, imposing no tariffs, but significant checks and controls at the formerly frictionless border.

Economists have used this point in time to contrast how the UK’s trade performance compares with those of other countries before and after the TCA’s imposition. The results have been increasingly ugly, especially for small companies trading with Europe.

Red tape caused a “steep decline” in the number of trading relationships after January 2021, according to a study by the Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics. The number of buyer-seller relationships fell by almost one-third, it found.

The same group found food prices had risen as a result of Brexit. Comparing the prices of imported food such as pork, tomatoes and jam, which predominantly came from the EU, with those that came from further afield such as tuna and pineapples, it found a substantial Brexit effect. “Brexit increased average food prices by about 6 per cent over 2020 and 2021,” according to the research.

Summing up the effects on trade in which imports from the EU have fallen while exports have not risen, Adam Posen, head of the Peterson Institute of International Economics, says “everybody else sees a recovery in trade following Covid and the UK sits flat”.

The third visible effect of Brexit on the UK economy has been in discouraging business investment. In the first quarter of 2022, real business investment was 9.4 per cent lower than in the second quarter of 2016. That fall was mostly due to Covid, but it had flatlined since the referendum, ending a period of growth since 2010 and falling well short of the performance of other G7 countries.

Weak investment is a particular worry for Sunak, who sees business investment as the route to greater prosperity. Before departing the BoE in 2020, Carney told a House of Lords Committee that Brexit uncertainty was holding back business investment. Worse, he said, business planning for various Brexit scenarios was taking up a lot of management effort. “Time spent on contingency planning is time not spent on strategic initiatives,” he said.

Since then, negative perceptions of the UK have continued among business with the chancellor finding he had little bang for his £25bn buck of super deductions in corporation tax to encourage capital spending. As Bailey told MPs last month, the super-deductor was “not at the moment having the impact that was expected”.

Complaints about high immigration was one of the most contentious issues of the referendum, with a central promise of the Brexit campaign being tougher controls over the number of people entering the country. While net immigration from EU countries has stopped, with effectively no change apparent in the two years to the end of June 2021, net immigration from non EU countries has remained high, with 250,000 in the latest year.

Collateral damage

There is, as yet, little appetite among Britain’s political leaders for a return to the EU — even if the other 27 member states were prepared to open the door. Even the pro-EU Liberal Democrats admit reversing course is a long-term aspiration, rather than an immediate goal.

As part of his attempt to avert a coup, Johnson wrote to MPs this month that he had “created a new and friendly relationship with the EU”. The opposite is true. Brussels restarted legal action against the UK this week over the Northern Ireland protocol: relations are at rock bottom.

The EU has warned that British scientists will be excluded from the €95bn Horizon research programme as “collateral damage” in the row about Northern Ireland. The prospect of any kind of rapprochement at the moment, at least while Johnson remains prime minister, seems remote.

But in recent weeks, a tentative debate has started over whether the UK would be better off trying to reach accommodations with the EU to smooth trade in some areas, rather than launching a new front in the Brexit war with unilateral action over Northern Ireland.

In an article much-discussed at Westminster, the pro-Leave Times columnist Iain Martin wrote this month: “To deny the downsides of Brexit on trade with the EU is to deny reality.”

Tobias Ellwood, a former Tory defence minister, suggested Britain should rejoin the EU single market to soften the cost of living crisis, and said there was “an appetite” for a rethink and claimed polling indicated “this is not the Brexit most people imagined”. And Daniel Hannan, a leading Tory Brexiter, repeated his longstanding view that Britain should have stayed in the single market under a Norway-style relationship with the EU, while adding that to rejoin it now “would be madness”.

Anna McMorrin, Labour shadow minister, was recorded telling activists: “I hope eventually that we will get back into the single market and customs union.” She was forced to apologise by Starmer: such talk remains dangerous in political circles.

Even so, a Starmer-led future Labour government would change UK relations with the EU. The party’s mantra has become “make Brexit work”: rejoining the single market may be off the agenda, but Labour wants to find ways to improve on the bare-bones tariff-free trade agreement Johnson negotiated with the EU.

Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, told the Financial Times last year that Labour wanted to strike a deal with the EU to reduce the most onerous paperwork and checks on food exports. The party also wants an agreement with Brussels on the mutual recognition of professional qualifications.

Even among the Eurosceptics in Johnson’s cabinet, there is now an acceptance that the UK should be seeking to rebuild economic relations with the EU, including in areas like the Horizon programme, to avoid exacerbating the looming cost of living crisis.

“Would I like to be in a better place on Brexit?” asked one pro-Brexit cabinet member. “Yes, absolutely. But we’ve got to find a way of doing it without it looking like we’re running up the white flag and we’re compromising on sovereignty.”

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This was all very known and expected , isn't it? It was a populist decision backed by the masses . I am personally not very clear what wa s merit of Brexit? Did it generate more jobs, industries, productivity? Did it help the masses to flourish from economy standpoint?
 
Given the vote, the Gov should have left the EU but remained in EFTA, enjoying the Single Market. It would have fixed the Irish border question, allowed the medical and agricultural workers to stay, and we could have enjoyed tariff-free access to the world’s biggest market.

But it would have made us rule-takers like Norway instead of rule makers like Ireland, so that option was unacceptable to the Tory Brexit ultras.
 
How is Brexit treating the Brits now? given the whole pandemic induced inflation is hitting the world bad right now? Surely Brexit has exacerbated the situation?

can anybody shed light on whats the job market there right now and how is the economy doing overall?
 
The country is in a terrible situation and it will get worse after October when energy prices go up further which most of it is caused by a ridiculous net zero target and panga with Russia.
 
How is Brexit treating the Brits now? given the whole pandemic induced inflation is hitting the world bad right now? Surely Brexit has exacerbated the situation?

can anybody shed light on whats the job market there right now and how is the economy doing overall?

Well, exports to the EU have fallen by 25% because it is not economic to do so due to tariffs that went on because of Johnson's thin deal. Some of that shortfall has been made up by export to new markets but not all.

Some sectors are included in the deal - for example no tariffs on German, Italian and French cars and parts. But the supply lines have stretched due to customs checks at the borders, so we can't get everything in under 24 hours by just-in-time supply chain like we did.

Agricultural and fishing produce has been very badly hit, for two reasons. Firstly lots of European fruit and veg pickers have gone home, so crops are being ploughed under. Secondly, the live shellfish export market to Iberia was lucrative but now each animal needs a veterinarian check, which costs the supplier.

The price of food has gone up because of import duties. UK has not been able to feed herself for over a century and tariff-free imports kept the prices down.

Basically UK erected trade barriers between itself and its biggest import/export market.

The government says that unemployment is down, but everywhere I hear that vacancies are not being filled, so I suspect the lower unemployment figures are due to low-security "gig economy" jobs.

The NHS continues in crisis because so many EU doctors and nurses went home and we cannot fill the demand by ourselves. HM Gov is trying to fill the shortfall with Indian and African medics (no doubt to the anger of those voters who wanted black and brown faces off the streets and thought Brexit would do that).

Johnson has destroyed goodwill with Brussels, Belfast, Dublin and Washington with his cavalier attitude to the Northern Ireland Protocol. That will get round the world, so UK cannot expect any trade deals. Nobody wants to deal with a liar.
 
It's been absolutely fantastic!

The immediate benefits we can see is that we are making our own moves. Best example, at the height of Covid 19, it was the UK that initiated the vaccine program first, well before EU, who were still quibbling over costs and politics.

UK is the fastest growing economy in the G7, despite all the bragging of the EU single market, UK has positive interest rates, while EU has negative interest rates. Does not take a genius to figure out which economy is struggling.

In my industry, we are hiring more from the UK than EU, boosting domestic economies, and providing jobs for Brits! Salaries as a result are now stable, instead of falling when EU workers were suppressing salaries.

More and more international economies are requesting trade deals with the UK, was not possible when in the EU.

Domestic businesses are on the up, FTSE250/AIM is indicative of this. Vacancies are up, will take time to fill, but the opportunity is there.

The only downside is the ECHR/ECJ - need to leave these racist institutions asap.

Alas! Doesn't matter which positives facts are presented, Remainers will still blame Brexit for Covid 19, Inflation, and the Ukraine War!

We were in the EU for over 30 years, the nation was duped into joining the EU, so change will not happen over night - small steps.

Oh I forgot the best part - The new BLUE British Passport. Love it!
 
Not sure if its a kncok on effect from covid or Brexit, however UK is heading towards a downwards spiral and fast.

No staff at any of the major airports, flights being cancelled left right and centre, No staff at DVSA impossible to book driving tests for atleast 2 years unless you pay over the odds. Petrol is at an all time high, property prices are shooting up, wages are nowhere near the rate of inflation, intrest rates keep rising , energy and food bills at an all time high, things seem like they are getting worse not better.
 
UK has far greater issues at hand than Brexit, but the latter is welcome distraction.

Poor service/industrial sector productivity, burgeoning debt, asset bubbles, weakening currency, lack of innovation/tech industries, regional independence challenges, inflated housing costs and to pour fuel on this fire decades of continuous loose fiscal policy.

Blame EU first and now that the country is out of it blame Brexit next. Thankfully for the powers that be, it's a highly gullible and uninformed populace. If they do wake up it's easy to distract them, Harry/Megan, Boris beergate, perv Andrew, Wagatha, Putin, world cup coming home etc...etc.....

Used to be a nation of dry witted intelligentsia, now it's just filled with loud .......
 
UK has far greater issues at hand than Brexit, but the latter is welcome distraction.

Poor service/industrial sector productivity, burgeoning debt, asset bubbles, weakening currency, lack of innovation/tech industries, regional independence challenges, inflated housing costs and to pour fuel on this fire decades of continuous loose fiscal policy.

Blame EU first and now that the country is out of it blame Brexit next. Thankfully for the powers that be, it's a highly gullible and uninformed populace. If they do wake up it's easy to distract them, Harry/Megan, Boris beergate, perv Andrew, Wagatha, Putin, world cup coming home etc...etc.....

Used to be a nation of dry witted intelligentsia, now it's just filled with loud .......

Sadly true to a large extent.
 
Utterly hilarious.

The populace is highly gullible and uninformed when the majority voted for Brexit, but when LDs were voted in 2010 GE, and of late council elections, the populace for the loser party were educated and fully informed?

Behave.

This is precisely why Liberals and Remainers are fascists. Quick to judge the population when the vote doesn't go their way, but fully supportive of the population when the vote does.

Sore losers.
 
Liberals/Remainers are tyrants of democracy; they do not believe in democracy when they lose - some even suggest the educated should have exclusive right to vote! This is stealth authoritarianism and fascism!

The UK is in this polarised mess thanks to Liberals/Remainers! All this lot had to do was gracefully accept the Brexit result, but no, like tyrants, they wanted to overturn the largest democratic exercise in the UK’s history, then the gall to cry we are not Russia because we have freedom and democracy in the UK.

Pure jokes.

Frankly speaking, Liberalism is the new terrorist ideology.
 
Not sure if its a kncok on effect from covid or Brexit, however UK is heading towards a downwards spiral and fast.

No staff at any of the major airports, flights being cancelled left right and centre, No staff at DVSA impossible to book driving tests for atleast 2 years unless you pay over the odds. Petrol is at an all time high, property prices are shooting up, wages are nowhere near the rate of inflation, intrest rates keep rising , energy and food bills at an all time high, things seem like they are getting worse not better.

None of this has anything to do with Brexit, albeit that's were fingers will be pointed at.

Gordon Brown decided that financial discipline was thing of the past and started the loose fiscal regime. The Tories took it to greater heights.

The UK started to see it's greatest income divide. ie. Rich kept getting richer, asset bubbles got larger and the poor were dumbfounded. Soon to control the rising debt the Tories started removing social support from the poor and started ensuring wages remained low. When people got angry, they said it's the the problem created by Europeans, illegal immigrants, cheap labour etc..etc... So we are out now. Albeit losing Brussels hegemony isn't the worst thing.

Today when inflation is out of control the UK is boxed into a corner. Because if we raise rates the asset bubbles pop. Plus we cannot afford to service our own debt. If they do the right thing and have rates catch up with inflation, this country's economy will crash.

So what's the way out, keep doing baby steps when it comes to interest rate hikes, pretend and then watch the pound weaken + inflation get worse. Protect the rich and stop the asset bubble from popping, the rest can screw themselves. For now we'll blame Putin.
 
Thought of a Brexit benefit,

When I go to Europe my British passport will get stamped at customs!

Ages since I got a passport stamp.
 
Brexit has damaged Britain's competitiveness, will reduce productivity and leave the average worker poorer than they otherwise would have been, according to a new study.

The Resolution Foundation said leaving the EU has reduced how open and competitive Britain's economy is.

And it goes further to say it has also led to an increase in cost of living and the level of business investment falling.

The report, in collaboration with the London School of Economics, said this was all as a result of a "depreciation-driven inflation spike" following Brexit.

However, new post-Brexit trade rules, which took effect in January 2021, unexpectedly did not lead to as persistent a fall in British exports to the EU that many predicted, although imports from the EU have fallen more swiftly than those from the rest of the world, the study suggested.

It said Britain has experienced a decline of 8% in trade openness - trade as a portion of economic output - since 2019, losing market share across three of its largest non-EU goods import markets in 2021, the US, Canada and Japan.

The full effect of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement will take years to be felt but the move towards a more closed economy, say the authors, will make the UK less competitive, which will reduce productivity and real wages, it was predicted.

The research estimated that labour productivity will be reduced by 1.3% by the end of the decade by the changes in trading rules alone, contributing to weaker wage growth, with real pay set to be £470 per worker lower each year, on average, than it would otherwise have been.

North East hardest hit

Output of Britain's relatively small but high-profile fishing industry - many of whose members advocated strongly for Brexit - is expected to decline by 30% and some workers will face "painful adjustments", said the foundation.

The report added the North East is expected to be hit hardest by Brexit as its firms are particularly reliant on exports to the EU.

Sophie Hale, principal economist at the Resolution Foundation, said: "Brexit represents the biggest change to Britain's economic relationship with the rest of the world in half a century.

"This has led many to predict that it would cause a particularly big fall in exports to the EU, and fundamentally reshape Britain's economy towards more manufacturing.

"The first of these has not come to pass, and the second looks unlikely to do so. Instead, Brexit has had a more diffuse impact by reducing the UK's competitiveness and openness to trade with a wider range of countries.

"This will ultimately reduce productivity, and workers' real wages too.

Not just teething problems

"Some sectors - including fisheries - still face significant change to come in the years ahead, but the overall services-led nature of the UK economy will remain largely unaffected."

Britain's fishing industry was likely to shrink by 30% due to difficulties exporting its fresh catch to EU customers, the report said.

Hilary Benn, Labour MP and co-convenor of the UK Trade and Business Commission, said the government's Brexit deal was "making businesses and consumers poorer at a time when people up and down the country are struggling to make ends meet".

He said the report proved these were not just "teething problems" either but a "long-term economic problem" and called on minister to review the deal.

Britain's government said in response to the report that it is working on new legislation to boost growth, and that trade
with the EU is now above pre-pandemic levels.

"Since we left the European Union, we have begun seizing new opportunities to improve UK regulation for businesses and consumers through plans to enhance competition and harness new technology," a spokesperson said.

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Thought of a Brexit benefit,

Another one is that when Italy, Spain, Greece etc... face a debt fuelled collapse, UK will not have to write Brussels a fat rescue cheque. That cross is now for Germany & France to bear.
 
Another one is that when Italy, Spain, Greece etc... face a debt fuelled collapse, UK will not have to write Brussels a fat rescue cheque. That cross is now for Germany & France to bear.

My ideal EU would be for it to implode like a neutron star with Britain, France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland, Benelux at the core, and all the weaker economies blasted off it and into orbit as associate members.
 
Here's a thought. Want the UK to be competitive? Reduce red tape and corp taxes!

What red tape? UK is one of the easiest places in the world to register and start a company. Why do you think all the illegal wealth owners of the world love London? A uniform corp. tax of 15% agreement is being enacted, so none of the G20 players really have an advantage. In the UK there is the added advantage of beating that as well by setting up in British Overseas Territories!

Anyone investing sizeable money receive preferential treatment, grants etc... precisely why global private equity love picking up surviving British companies on the cheap.
 
What red tape? UK is one of the easiest places in the world to register and start a company. Why do you think all the illegal wealth owners of the world love London? A uniform corp. tax of 15% agreement is being enacted, so none of the G20 players really have an advantage. In the UK there is the added advantage of beating that as well by setting up in British Overseas Territories!

Anyone investing sizeable money receive preferential treatment, grants etc... precisely why global private equity love picking up surviving British companies on the cheap.

UK Corp tax is actually 19%

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...tion-tax/rates-and-allowances-corporation-tax

All illegal wealth owners do not set up companies in the UK, but set up off-shore accounts via the UK.
 
Sir Keir Starmer has ruled out rejoining the European Union, as he said the UK needs to go forwards and divisions cannot be reopened.

The Labour leader told Sky News' Beth Rigby: "We're not going back to the EU, to the single market, to the customs union or freedom of movement.

"We are going forwards not backwards, not reopening those divisions.

"I don't think reopening all the old wounds and going backwards is going to help us on that mission to drive the economy."

Sir Keir was speaking ahead of launching a five-point plan to deal with Brexit on Monday evening.

He said the plan will "remove some of the barriers" to trading with the EU that are "holding us back".

The current Brexit deal is "not a good deal", he said, adding that it is causing problems in Northern Ireland and the agreements on services and security are not good enough.

"This is a forward-looking plan, it's not a plan to go back, it's not a plan to rejoin the EU," he insisted.

Looking ahead to the next general election, which is supposed to be in 2024, he added: "This will be the driving mission of an incoming Labour government - to grow the economy."

Sir Keir said he did not regret campaigning for a second Brexit referendum, something that is credited with helping Labour to lose the last election.

"We made our policy in the circumstances that were then the live circumstances, but we've left the EU now and the government has said we need to get Brexit done, but it hasn't really got a plan to do that," he added.

"I want to make Brexit work."

He said he is "absolutely convinced" there are "practical ways" to solve the current issues around the Northern Ireland Protocol - which has effectively placed a border in the Irish Sea.

Read more: What is the Northern Ireland Protocol and how does it work?

Sir Keir also said the Conservatives are on a "downwards spiral, and we are coming up" - and said recent Labour by-election wins "show we're on track for a Labour government".

He said he could not sympathise with Boris Johnson appointing MP Chris Pincher as deputy chief whip when he knew there were rumours about his conduct.

Mr Pincher quit the government last week after admitting he got drunk and following allegations he groped two men, including another MP.

Sir Keir said: "It's bad judgement by the PM, a man who puts himself above everyone else, and no I'm afraid I don't have any sympathy for him."

Asked if he would have appointed Mr Pincher if he had been PM, Sir Keir said: "No, I wouldn't."

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In light of Mr Starmer’s comments, seems like the UK is now out of the EU for good.
 
In light of Mr Starmer’s comments, seems like the UK is now out of the EU for good.

Officially, we were out in 2016. Technically we were out in 2020.

Hypocritically, the Loser Democratic party will campaign on another EU referendum.
 
They just want mass migration and slave labour to work for pennies the whole thing was a mass racketeering of human slaves I.e low paid workers so much so you had the rest of the world's riff raff turning up to dodgy states like Italy Portugal Spain etc getting dodgy marriages to some Romanian gypsy or visas and passports and then with that eu passport moving to England using the eu family route to bring about 20 family members and the dog to uk no wonder the whole infrastructure has buckled and isn't working but it doesn't effect these champagne socialists and big business men who live in their posh neighbourhoods have private harley Street doctors and send their kids to private schools and have the contacts to get them jobs in the future just look no further than Tony Blair.

People only woke up when you had 50 people stuffed into one house.

Women and men enslaved by gangs

And a huge roma population deciding to turn up in the UK and start attacking Robbing people and defecating openly in the street or lighting bonfire in the middle of the road at midnight and singing and playing musical instruments through the night .
 
Brexit is starting to pay dividends.

From the reduction of immigrants from Eastern communist Nazi Europe, to rolling out vaccines, to forging our own trade deals.

Congratulations Brexiteers! Vindication! This is only the beginning!
 
Can foreigners buy Property in London? Are the rents regulated or completely market value
 
Can foreigners buy Property in London? Are the rents regulated or completely market value

Yes. The hyperinflation of property is largely due to Russian oligarchs, Saudi nobles and Chinese businessmen buying up developments.

No rent control. But there should be, nationally.
 
In light of Mr Starmer’s comments, seems like the UK is now out of the EU for good.

He has to say “make Brexit work” to win the Red Wall back. Though he doesn’t believe it will work for us.

Incremental realignment with the EU will begin as soon as the Tories are out.

Improve relationships and build trust first, over the NIP.

Then rejoin Erasmus, EuroPol and EurAtom as associate members.

Then broaden Bodge’s thin trade deal terms, regarding agriculture and fishing exports, to reinflate those industries.

Eventual Single Market membership like Norway. We’ll be rule takers instead of rule makers as EU members, but there I think we will stick, as perhaps we would have done had Major given us a referendum on Maastricht.
 
Yes. The hyperinflation of property is largely due to Russian oligarchs, Saudi nobles and Chinese businessmen buying up developments.

No rent control. But there should be, nationally.

That phenomenon is restricted to London and surrounding leafy suburbs.

The nationwide Hyperinflation in property is primarily due to decades of loose irresponsible fiscal policy, artificially low interest rates, money printing etc.... it's a BoE made ticking time bomb. Gordon Brown started it and the Tories took it to ridiculous heights. It's ironic watching the British press discuss the chinese property market crisis while ignoring the mess at home!
 
That phenomenon is restricted to London and surrounding leafy suburbs.

The nationwide Hyperinflation in property is primarily due to decades of loose irresponsible fiscal policy, artificially low interest rates, money printing etc.... it's a BoE made ticking time bomb. Gordon Brown started it and the Tories took it to ridiculous heights. It's ironic watching the British press discuss the chinese property market crisis while ignoring the mess at home!

Exactly. Liberals will blame the Chinese, Russians, Saudis etc when in actual fact it was Labour policies during 97-08 that have lead to this inflationary disaster. 14 years of QE and near zero rates, and the yet, they blame the Russians, when the culprit was Gordon Brown.
 
Brexit followed by the Covid lock down that ruined the economy. I don't believe it is a coincidence at all rather dark forces are behind all of this. Now with the Russia-Ukraine war greatly effecting the country causing further damage I believe the UK is heading towards becoming a third world country. Suddenly no one is talking about Covid or even monkey pox anymore neither telling us to wear masks but the massive damage has been done. It all started with Brexit.
 
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I probably am at odds with my fellow Britons in this thread.

I was an ardent Remainer until David Cameron went to Brussels to negotiate for modest reform and was sent back to London with a message that the Eurocrats decide whether the UK has to pay child benefit to the son of a Polish worker who actually lives in Gdansk.

I came to realise that the EU project was effectively run by European Sir Humphreys, with a parliament which was a figleaf to an appointed European Commission.

So I gave up on the EU. I came to accept that it could never be aligned to the Westminster Model, in which the electors are always the supreme governors.

The Brexit negotiations hardened my view on this. The UK had been a massive net contributor to the EU budget for half a century, and like in any divorce should have received a huge settlement in its favour - but was instead used as a cash cow to fund EU profligacy.

But above all, I think that if the UK needs doctors or nurses or retail workers, we have an historical obligation to preference someone from Barbados over someone from Budapest, and someone from Colombo over someone from Calais.

I think there are two legacies from Brexit now.

The current Tory government - and remember, I am a Tory - is talentless and overdue for a period in the wilderness, and has completely messed up the Brexit negotiations. The Northern Ireland protocol is embarrassingly stupid.

Secondly, Keir Starmer may have a problem. He's lucky that both Truss and Sunak are unelectable clowns. Because Starmer as Shadow Brexit Minister showed absolute contempt for his own party's working class Brexit voters in the North, and they will not forget that disrespect.

To be honest, the main problem with Brexit and an increasingly conservative population is that workers' rights which come from Brussels will be gradually eroded, and even I recognise that that is a bad thing!
 
The EU Commission are analogous to the senior civil servants in the UK. Ministers set the direction then the mandarins do all the real work. I don’t like the idea of the Commissioners having their own President at G7 and so on, but the MEPs can fire them all.

The NIP is the only thing that can preserve the GFA [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]. The alternative is a hard border between the Republic and the Six Counties. Then The Troubles will resume. That is unthinkable. Bodge said he would never put a border in the sea and then he did. He had to.

Tory members will never elect a brown man, so we are left with the vacuous Truss.

Much HS and environmental legal protection does come from Brussels, and the Tories, given another term, would burn it to the detriment of us all. But the current rash of strikes are an indication that the people have had enough of falling pay and conditions and eroding services.
 
That phenomenon is restricted to London and surrounding leafy suburbs.

The nationwide Hyperinflation in property is primarily due to decades of loose irresponsible fiscal policy, artificially low interest rates, money printing etc.... it's a BoE made ticking time bomb. Gordon Brown started it and the Tories took it to ridiculous heights. It's ironic watching the British press discuss the chinese property market crisis while ignoring the mess at home!


Interest rates have been ridiculously low for a long time now. Older homeowners in the southeast buy second homes in rural areas and get in renters to pay off the mortgage, inflating mortgages past the means of the locals, which makes them angry.

But people are being priced out of the Smoke. A council block in Brixton is flattened and a development planned to replace it, and before it is built the super-rich foreign investors have dibs on it. The council block residents are scattered, communities broken up and social cohesion lost.

So property is transferred into fewer hands and inequality rises. This is the curse of neoliberalism (which is really Gladstonian paleoliberalism).
 
The EU Commission are analogous to the senior civil servants in the UK. Ministers set the direction then the mandarins do all the real work. I don’t like the idea of the Commissioners having their own President at G7 and so on, but the MEPs can fire them all.

The NIP is the only thing that can preserve the GFA [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]. The alternative is a hard border between the Republic and the Six Counties. Then The Troubles will resume. That is unthinkable. Bodge said he would never put a border in the sea and then he did. He had to.

Tory members will never elect a brown man, so we are left with the vacuous Truss.

Much HS and environmental legal protection does come from Brussels, and the Tories, given another term, would burn it to the detriment of us all. But the current rash of strikes are an indication that the people have had enough of falling pay and conditions and eroding services.

The problem is that a European Parliament is inherently unrepresentative anyway because different parties operate in different nations, and the blocks they form at the European Parliament are neither coherent nor cohesive.

I actually would rather see the advanced nations of the Commonwealth form a bloc trading across the Atlantic and the Pacific with the Americans.

I would have the UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore as a fairly tight-knit bloc with a very wealthy population base of 150 million recognising one another's qualifications and standards and enjoying freedom to work (as opposed to EU freedom of abode whether you work or not).

And I would have a liberal trade arrangement with the US, combining to make a super-market of 500 million people.

And I would entrench in law that for each of the Commonwealth countries listed above, preferential access for work permits and immigration be given to Commonwealth nations which are former British colonies. So Barbados citizens have preferential access to the UK over equally qualified Bulgarians and Belize citizens have preferential access to Canada over someone from Iran.
 
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Brexit added £210 to household food bills, LSE says

Brexit added £210 to the average household food bill in the two years to the end of 2021, new research suggests.

Academics at the London School of Economics (LSE) found that the cost of food imported from Europe went up because of extra red tape and checks.

They said that rule changes for items going across the border had pushed food prices up by 6%, or £5.84bn overall.

A government spokesperson said that it was cutting costs and reducing red tape for firms.

The research noted that UK food producers had faced reduced competition since Brexit.

Researchers at the LSE's Centre for Economic Performance (CEP) looked at data tracking the flow of trade and prices of food products between the UK and the European Union (EU) to work out how shoppers were being affected by the UK's exit.

It also found that price rises hit poorest households hardest because they spend more of their pay packets on food.

Their calculations sought to isolate the effects of Brexit and separate them out from other supply chain issues that caused disruption during the pandemic.

The research found the increase in food prices was due to a rise in "non-tariff barriers" to trade between the UK and the EU, which included things like new customs checks at the borders, new paperwork requirements and broader measures affecting the movement of animals and plants.

Although the extra checks didn't come into force until 2021, one of the co-authors of the research, Nikhil Datta, said it was likely firms made "anticipatory" changes around the "hard Brexit" pursued by former prime minister, Boris Johnson.

Mr Datta added that these non-tariff barriers should be a "first-order concern" for politicians and policymakers.

The paper also looked at the cost of setting up for new systems, such as hiring specialist staff to be able to manage the trade in products that are subject to more checks.

The CEP suggested that between 50% and 88% of price rises seen by these EU exporters and UK importers were being passed on to customers.

Inflation, which tracks how prices rise over time, has hit its highest rate in 40 years.

Richard Davies, a professor at the University of Bristol and co-author of the study, said: "Many factors, affecting both supply and demand for goods and services, are involved. One factor in this high inflation has been the rise in non-tariff barriers for trade with the EU.

"In leaving the EU, the UK swapped a deep trade relationship with few impediments to trade for one where a wide range of checks, forms and steps are required before goods can cross the border," he added.

The report said that immediately after the December 2019 general election, food prices from the EU spiked as businesses reliant on products and ingredients from the bloc started to pass costs on.

The price rises varied according to the type of product, but was generally higher for those products like meat with lots of extra paperwork and checks required, whereas those for vegetables like onions, carrots and broccoli, which might also depend on seasonal availability, was lower.

The report said overall that less well-off households had seen bigger price rises as a result, due to the fact they spend a higher proportion of their income.

It suggested that one benefit seen from Brexit was that food producers in the UK now faced less competition from farmers and producers in Europe.

But it added that overall the gain seen was outstripped by the losses seen by shoppers by more than £1bn.

A spokesman for the Department for International Trade said: "We recognise that people are struggling with rising prices due to global inflationary pressures here in the UK, EU and across the world."

He added that the government is "protecting millions of the most vulnerable families" through the energy price guarantee aimed at keeping bills down, as well as specific support for lower-income and pensioner households.

"Our trade agreement with the EU is the world's largest zero-tariff, zero-quota deal, and by also removing tariffs on £30bn of goods, we are cutting costs and reducing red tape," he added.

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Brexit regret among Leave voters has reached a record high, a new poll has found.

Seven years on from the UK’s decision to leave the European Union, more voters than ever believe Brexit has been a “failure”. The YouGov poll found more than a third of those who backed Leave in the referendum say Brexit has been more of a failure than a success.

Meanwhile just a fifth of Leave supporters said Brexit had been “more of a success”, the survey found.

Overall, 62 per cent of voters said leaving the EU had been “more of a failure”, with just nine per cent saying it had been a “success”.

Among 18-24-year-olds, more than two thirds said Brexit had been “more of a failure”. Less than one in 20 considered it a “success”.

Support remains stronger in older age groups, but almost half of over-65s now consider Brexit to have been a “failure”.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...tp&cvid=4df6a7cee13947a995749d13de4e33eb&ei=7
 
More than half of voters now want Britain to forge closer ties with the EU, poll reveals
Dramatic reversal in public opinion seen even in those constituencies that recorded the highest votes to leave

A clear majority of British voters now favours building closer relations with the European Union, according to new polling that highlights a dramatic reversal in the tide of public opinion since Brexit.

Even in those constituencies that recorded the highest votes to leave the EU in 2016, more than twice as many voters now believe the best route forward is to move in the opposite direction – and forge closer ties with Brussels.

The survey of more than 10,000 voters, for the internationalist campaign group Best for Britain, accompanied by detailed MRP (multilevel regression and poststratification) analysis based on new constituency boundaries, will provide sobering reading for Rishi Sunak, who backed Brexit as a route to greater economic success.

The poll by Focaldata found that three times as many adults (63%) now believe Brexit has created more problems than it has solved, compared with just 21% who believe it has solved more than it has created.

Overall, 53% of voters now want the government to seek a closer relationship with the EU than it now has, having left the single market and customs union, against just 14% who want the UK to become more distant.

In Boston and Skegness in Lincolnshire, where the vote to leave the EU was 74.9% in 2016, more than twice as many people (40%) now want closer links with the EU against just 19% who want relations to become even more distant.

The MRP method is a well-regarded statistical technique that combines data from detailed polling and other information from sources such as the census and Office for National Statistics data to assign an accurate probability of how different groups will vote in different constituencies.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-forge-closer-ties-with-the-eu-poll-reveals
 
London mayor’s office ‘banned’ from flying EU flag on referendum anniversary
Exclusive: A change in planning rules has stopped the EU flag from being raised, say City Hall sources

Ministers have been accused of criminalising the flying of the European Union flag on government buildings in England after London’s City Hall was told it could be prosecuted for displaying it on the anniversary of the Brexit referendum.

Seven years after the referendum on leaving the EU, the Greater London authority (GLA) had planned to fly the flag on Friday but officials were advised that under the latest regulations they would need to secure permission from the local authority.

Without so-called advertising consent from Newham council, City Hall, which is the headquarters of the GLA and is where Sadiq Khan, the capital’s mayor, is based, would have been liable to criminal prosecution under the amended town and country planning (control of advertisements) regulations.

There is no such consent required for flying the flag of any country in England.

Also exempt are the flags representing the Commonwealth, the United Nations, sports clubs, the NHS, specified award schemes such as eco-schools and the rainbow flag of six horizontal equal stripes of red, orange, yellow, green, blue and violet.

Until 2021 the EU flag had also been among those that did not require permission but the law applying to England was changed as a response to the UK’s departure from the bloc on 31 January 2020.

Encouragement was instead issued by ministers at the time to fly the union flag of the UK throughout the year on national government and local authority buildings.

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...from-flying-eu-flag-on-referendum-anniversary
 
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