Is there a need for another Champions League T20?

[PukhtoonZalmay88]

I know it was a flop last time and had to be scrapped but things are different now and other leagues around the world are doing pretty well atm. Lack of interest and sponsorship wouldnt be a problem this time around now that Pakistan has a solid league of its own. Any ipl vs psl contest would bring in millions of viewers just like any Ind vs Pak matchup at icc tournaments.
What do you guys think?

 

[Syed1]

I failed last time because it had like eighteen teams just from the IPL. If BCCI can reign in their massive ego and just have one IPL team it could be an excellent tournament.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

I would hope that they bring it back.

Now the question is if multiple teams that are within the CLT20 with the same players, who would they represent. That would be the difference for many teams?

 

[HuzaifaE]

No, players of multiple teams (most of the big ones) will go to whichever one gives them the most $$$ and it will be an unbalanced event. Case in point: All 3 IPL qualified teams in the last two CLT's were in the semis. Do we really need a tournament dedicated to showing that IPL is the best league? There is just no aspect of a CLT20 that relates to the way a Champions League or something works, nothing. From the fan following, to the player loyalty to anything.

 

[HuzaifaE]

I failed last time because it had like eighteen teams just from the IPL. If BCCI can reign in their massive ego and just have one IPL team it could be an excellent tournament.

That's like saying there should be as many teams from the Polish first division as the Premier League in the Champions League.

 

[shokz1408]

I don't think there's a demand for it. There's already alot of cricket being played domestically in terms of t20s, and internationally. Rarely will you find anyone who wants to see such a tournament again. It would be cool sure, one or two PSL teams against IPL teams, but there's no real need for it.

 

[rhony]

It won't happen. BCCI wants to monopolize the T20 domestic ad revenue. They don't want a competing product where they have to share the revenues. Instead, I see IPL teams traveling to other countries and play a one off or a 3 game series with the other T20 domestic champs. That way, BCCI can spread their brand around and can capture some of their profits.

 

[Send1983]

I failed last time because it had like eighteen teams just from the IPL. If BCCI can reign in their massive ego and just have one IPL team it could be an excellent tournament.

You want another ESL or empty stadium or what? First try to understand the reason why it got shutdown. If it really had as many IPL teams as you mentioned, it would have been still going on.

 

[Send1983]

It won't happen. BCCI wants to monopolize the T20 domestic ad revenue. They don't want a competing product where they have to share the revenues. Instead, I see IPL teams traveling to other countries and play a one off or a 3 game series with the other T20 domestic champs. That way, BCCI can spread their brand around and can capture some of their profits.

Nobody in India wanted to watch games sailcot vs Sydney type of games. Hence they had to shut it down. BCCI tried best to help other boards.

 

[USofA]

Not sure if there is a demand or market for CL. It will be hard to bring in the crowd to non local matches wherever it is held. Not to mention the eyeballs on TV given the time zones involved. At least that was the case in the first go around.

There is also the $$ angle. You have be able make money for CL to go on. Which was the primary reason it failed the first go around as well. This despite 3-4 IPL teams in it. If the CL had made money it would be ongoing.

Having said that, I think the CL can be given a try. But will have to be without any IPL teams. The BCCI/IPL have made it clear that they want no part of it. But with 8 other champions (BBL, BPL, CPL, PSL, SA, Eng, NZ, SL T20 champions) or both finalist of these leagues (16 teams) there can be a good and full fledged CL.

To reboot the CL though will need $$ investment upfront. Who is going to do this is the unknown.

 

[BlackShadow]

I failed last time because it had like eighteen teams just from the IPL. If BCCI can reign in their massive ego and just have one IPL team it could be an excellent tournament.

It is about having best teams participating, and IPL teams showed why they deserved a place. Compare it to the star-studded, undisputed Pakistan champions who entered the qualifiers only to get trashed by 3rd grade IPL and Kiwi clubs. You think they deserved a spot ahead of superior teams just to add Pakistani flavour in the tournament?

 

[kingusama92]

It's a good concept but doesn't work well in cricket (right now).

The idea of players having to choose between two qualified teams is odd.

 

[shane]

It was never very interesting then, and it would not be now.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I failed last time because it had like eighteen teams just from the IPL. If BCCI can reign in their massive ego and just have one IPL team it could be an excellent tournament.

Or even better, just have no IPL teams, no BCCI and no evil organisation


Seriously, Champions league never happening not until BCCI agrees or other boards decide to do on their own.

 

[Titan24]

It is about having best teams participating, and IPL teams showed why they deserved a place. Compare it to the star-studded, undisputed Pakistan champions who entered the qualifiers only to get trashed by 3rd grade IPL and Kiwi clubs. You think they deserved a spot ahead of superior teams just to add Pakistani flavour in the tournament?

You remember the richest guy Ambani's team Mumbai being thrashed by Lahore Lions

 

[jagatk]

I failed last time because it had like eighteen teams just from the IPL. If BCCI can reign in their massive ego and just have one IPL team it could be an excellent tournament.

Small problem with this delusion of yours is that it started with 2 ipl teams, but no one cared to watch games from the other 6 teams involved. Maybe let these little teams first get enough people to watch their games to make CL a viable option rather than spouting ** without any basis.

 

[CanadianG00se]

You remember the richest guy Ambani's team Mumbai being thrashed by Lahore Lions

And same Team that have also won 2 CL title.

 

[Titan24]

And same Team that have also won 2 CL title.

Yes CL T20 was a funny tournament. While IPL teams were playing with 4 foreign players many times like Lahore Lions, Auckland, Dolphins were without any foreign players.

So winning a CL T20 by having 4 foreigners playing for you is no big deal, losing to a team without any foreign player is a big deal.

 

[USofA]

Yes CL T20 was a funny tournament. While IPL teams were playing with 4 foreign players many times like Lahore Lions, Auckland, Dolphins were without any foreign players.

So winning a CL T20 by having 4 foreigners playing for you is no big deal, losing to a team without any foreign player is a big deal.

But those players are part of what makes the Mumbai Indians what they are. They are part of the team identity. You cannot separate the two. For example Lasith Malinga. He played for Mumbai 10 years. He is a Mumbai player in many people's eyes.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Why would India want to participate in an event where they might have a chance of losing to a much more resource-deprived team (from any other nation let alone Pakistan) and making a mockery of their brand?

Their awam would probably go into subliminal depression if any of the PSL or any other team beat the daylights out of them - Ane Do type scenario is a terrible nightmare for them probably

And given the fact that 'Lahore Lions' of all teams ) ) made their famed Mumbai Indians (who had all the money and resources of IPL behind them) look like Ameturers toh I dread to think what an actual PSL team might do to their feelings

As a sign of goodwill gesture, I think it would only be fair if we send Lahore Qalanders to participate in the event given they were the last spot holders in our 'ESL' so that at least it's a fair competition......

Sahe hay na boy? [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

 

[Arham_PakFan]

CL T20 won't be a success until teams have complete player loyalty.By which I mean that players only play for 1 team in 1 league,like football.In the future,I expect this to happen.

 

[ads101]

Nah it's a bad idea. Firstly no one really cares, they much prefer to win in their own country's competition. Teams compete for certain players loyalty. On the other hand if teams went in with no foreign players, it's basically just a worse version of their national team then. The IPL teams would largely walk over the other teams anyway, they're foreign player pool and ability to retain players is just much better than the rest.

Besides the world t20 until recently has been every 2 years, so it's not like we need another T20 tournament.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

No.

Case in point being the last two editions, which saw all-IPL finals. It almost served as a way to let the IPL rub in the fact that players who had confilicting priorities always chose their IPL teams, and that the IPL teams were just streets ahead of all others outfits overall.

Yes, there were a few upsets here and there which is to be expected in the T20 format, but in general towards the end where IPL teams were much more settled, it was a no contest both on the fields and off it with the advertisers and viewership.

 

[Send1983]

Why would India want to participate in an event where they might have a chance of losing to a much more resource-deprived team (from any other nation let alone Pakistan) and making a mockery of their brand?

Their awam would probably go into subliminal depression if any of the PSL or any other team beat the daylights out of them - Ane Do type scenario is a terrible nightmare for them probably

And given the fact that 'Lahore Lions' of all teams ) ) made their famed Mumbai Indians (who had all the money and resources of IPL behind them) look like Ameturers toh I dread to think what an actual PSL team might do to their feelings

As a sign of goodwill gesture, I think it would only be fair if we send Lahore Qalanders to participate in the event given they were the last spot holders in our 'ESL' so that at least it's a fair competition......

Sahe hay na boy? [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Did you know what happened before they shutdown this CL. IPL team kept winning the titles, Indian public got bored. Just Winning a fluke game here and there is not a big deal. Even mightily windies team lost 83 wc to not so great Indian team. IPL teams were winning most of the games/titles.

 

[IndianFan2018]

I failed last time because it had like eighteen teams just from the IPL. If BCCI can reign in their massive ego and just have one IPL team it could be an excellent tournament.

Fans in India attended in numbers only for matches involving IPL teams ! This concept is flipped because no one from India cared to turn up for watching neutral domestic maches.

 

[barah_admi]

It could be potentially huge, with a different venue each year. Top 2 teams from the major leagues (PSL, IPL, BBL, BPL and CPL), played across a couple venues, short and sweet. Also put in a spending cap so every team has the same limit. Done.

 

[Madplayer]

There should be only 1 team from each league. (For God's sake no 10-10 IPL , BBL teams)

Keep the tournament short in the initial editions.

You can make it 2 teams per league once it gains popularity.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Why would India want to participate in an event where they might have a chance of losing to a much more resource-deprived team (from any other nation let alone Pakistan) and making a mockery of their brand?

Their awam would probably go into subliminal depression if any of the PSL or any other team beat the daylights out of them - Ane Do type scenario is a terrible nightmare for them probably

And given the fact that 'Lahore Lions' of all teams ) ) made their famed Mumbai Indians (who had all the money and resources of IPL behind them) look like Ameturers toh I dread to think what an actual PSL team might do to their feelings

As a sign of goodwill gesture, I think it would only be fair if we send Lahore Qalanders to participate in the event given they were the last spot holders in our 'ESL' so that at least it's a fair competition......

Sahe hay na boy? [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Slow clap for wonderful fantasy and chestthumping ....bro

 

[Send1983]

There should be only 1 team from each league. (For God's sake no 10-10 IPL , BBL teams)

Keep the tournament short in the initial editions.

You can make it 2 teams per league once it gains popularity.

If you want to make money out of this tournament, this one team per league will not work. You need attention from viewers of at least one of the countries, preferably Indian viewers. Someone needs to take the loss for first few years to build the reputation and fans will have to feel that this is something prestigious like ICC did for ODI WC back in 70s. Teams never used to take WC that seriously until mid 80s or so. Now it’s the most prestigious tournament for all cricket playing countries, except England. Now even though only one team from your country is participating, still as a fan you would try to watch other games as well. Cleague has to have that type of reputation to be a successful tournament.

Ideally ICC needs to organize this tournament but they won’t as they already enough events to take care of. BCCI can do as they have surplus’s of money, but Why would they have to take this loss in initial years when they already have successful IPL. So overall this one or two teams per league is not possible.

 

[Send1983]

Slow clap for wonderful fantasy and chestthumping ....bro

Looks like he watched only first 2 seasons. He didn’t know what happened after that. His team was no where and thrashed all teams including IPL teams.

Also he still feels players like Kami, Ronchi, other TTFs would beat IPL teams which are filled with some of the most talented players.

 

[cricketjoshila]

IPL teams in all likelihood will not play, BCCI has had enough of other countries earning from the Indian market. But other boards are free to organise a tournament if they want.

 

[rhony]

Why would India want to participate in an event where they might have a chance of losing to a much more resource-deprived team (from any other nation let alone Pakistan) and making a mockery of their brand?

Their awam would probably go into subliminal depression if any of the PSL or any other team beat the daylights out of them - Ane Do type scenario is a terrible nightmare for them probably

And given the fact that 'Lahore Lions' of all teams ) ) made their famed Mumbai Indians (who had all the money and resources of IPL behind them) look like Ameturers toh I dread to think what an actual PSL team might do to their feelings

As a sign of goodwill gesture, I think it would only be fair if we send Lahore Qalanders to participate in the event given they were the last spot holders in our 'ESL' so that at least it's a fair competition......

Sahe hay na boy? [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Naa. Boundaries will be bigger than 55m and they will just buy Ronchi at the last minute.

 

[rhony]

Looks like he watched only first 2 seasons. He didn’t know what happened after that. His team was no where and thrashed all teams including IPL teams.

Also he still feels players like Kami, Ronchi, other TTFs would beat IPL teams which are filled with some of the most talented players.

PSL is the revival league. It's a rehabilitation league where Sammy's a legend, Akmal is the best batsman and Ronchi's the second coming of Viv. Ironically, it's also the best bowling league, Akmal's heroics not withstanding. So don't compare it with IPL.

 

[j_kazmi]

I think in a couple of years when SA, England and Sri Lanka also have a t20 league, then we can maybe have another champions league.

Each country will have one team playing for them, so 8 teams and the tournament should be relatively short so 2 weeks.

 

[UN talkz]

No

 

[cricketindiafan]

Depends whether Sony network wants to burn money like Star did when it supported CL T20 as a counter to IPL rights Sony had.

But Sony have their plate full right now with most of the away series of India in its kitty and rights from Australia, SA, Pakistan and WI.

 

[Gubol123]

who will watch them? i went to one of the Champions league match.. man what a dull environment compared to IPL... even a India SL match will have some character to it.. seriously if BCCI is giving up on this, there is a good reason for that. Other boards can pick it up and organize, nobody is stopping them. There is also a window for it in September.. So it will be easy for other board to take initiative.. May be PCB can do that in Pakistan.. Anyway these are domestic teams and I am sure won't have issues playing in Pak

 

[Send1983]

PSL is the revival league. It's a rehabilitation league where Sammy's a legend, Akmal is the best batsman and Ronchi's the second coming of Viv. Ironically, it's also the best bowling league, Akmal's heroics not withstanding. So don't compare it with IPL.

Exactly. Akmal is the legend of PSL and PSL is the best bowling league. Both can’t be true.

 

[introvert]

After new english t20 tournament they can organize it with better planning and equal qualification chance to every major t20 league.
and Also they can't play it in india alone,there must be home and away matches for every team in their respective countries.
Major problem is cricket fans club loyalty is nothing like football.

 

[Hasan123]

Don't think it's possible to organize due to the current schedule.

 

[hadi123]

Yes. If organized properly has potential to be good

 

[Gubol123]

Don't think it's possible to organize due to the current schedule.

there is a window for it in September... but no demand for it.. that is the window currently being used by CPL and others

 

[CanadianG00se]

Yes CL T20 was a funny tournament. While IPL teams were playing with 4 foreign players many times like Lahore Lions, Auckland, Dolphins were without any foreign players.

So winning a CL T20 by having 4 foreigners playing for you is no big deal, losing to a team without any foreign player is a big deal.

That is the core team of Mumbai Indians and other IPL teams. Heck BCCI even made a rule to pay home team $200K if a player ditch his home team club for IPL team.

Lahore defeated Mumbai Indians which was the weakest team we ever fielded and I had no hope of us reaching beyound 1st round which we didnt. But current MI team is beast and I can vouch they could literally destroy any team PSL or any other league field (given if MI team is full strength with all players available)

You're making fun of a team that is undoubtedly most succesful team in league cricket in the World. Period

 

[CanadianG00se]

Yes. If organized properly has potential to be good

It has no potential until INDIAN FANS embrace neutral games as well. Until then its a pipedream, which is why BCCI clearly said they would not want to be part of anymore CLT20 in future.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Can the Champions League T20 be revived now?

There are many different T20 Competitions around the globe now. Most Test Nations, including Afghanistan, have their own T20 league. Countries like Canada and UAE also have their own league.

I think that a relaunch of the CLT20 in some shape or form is inevitable.T20's, or even shorter formats like T10 and the Hundred, are the future. The only issue is time. Most periods of the year are filled up by T20 league's and international cricket.

Should the CLT20 be revived?

 

[Brilliance]

Yeah schedule T20s throughout the whole damn year and scrap the other forms of the game.

 

[noonebetterthanPappu]

Never going to work without home & away format which is pretty difficult from travel point of view.

 

[hadi123]

I would love it to be brought back now there are so many T20 leagues around the world, and ICC should organise it, not BCCI.

IPL Champions
BBL Champions
CPL Champions
T20 Blast/Hundred Champions
PSL Champions
SA MSL Champions
BPL Champions
Super Smash Champions

Should all qualify automatically


Then there should be 2 groups of 3 to decide remaining 4 teams, these would consist of IPL runners up, BBL runners up, Global T20 Canada champions, Afghanistan T20 League Champions, Sri Lankan League champions and Euro T20 Slam champions. Top 2 from each group qualify.


Then there should be 4 groups of 3 in the tournament proper, top 2 of each qualify, and thus 4 quarters, 2 semis and 1 grand final.

One year it could be co-hosted by Asia. Pak/Ban/India/SL could all host games. Then other years it could be Aus who host it, or SA.

Honestly this would have so much potential. But I can't see it being brought back.

 

[Titan24]

I would love it to be brought back now there are so many T20 leagues around the world, and ICC should organise it, not BCCI.

IPL Champions
BBL Champions
CPL Champions
T20 Blast/Hundred Champions
PSL Champions
SA MSL Champions
BPL Champions
Super Smash Champions

Should all qualify automatically


Then there should be 2 groups of 3 to decide remaining 4 teams, these would consist of IPL runners up, BBL runners up, Global T20 Canada champions, Afghanistan T20 League Champions, Sri Lankan League champions and Euro T20 Slam champions. Top 2 from each group qualify.


Then there should be 4 groups of 3 in the tournament proper, top 2 of each qualify, and thus 4 quarters, 2 semis and 1 grand final.

One year it could be co-hosted by Asia. Pak/Ban/India/SL could all host games. Then other years it could be Aus who host it, or SA.

Honestly this would have so much potential. But I can't see it being brought back.

Yes I agree I also thought idea had a lot of potential but it wasnt implemented well.

I also think that one potential problem now with so many leagues would be that many of the foreign players will be in the squads of more than one team. However, this can easily be solved by allowing teams to have replacements for the league.

 

[hadi123]

Yes I agree I also thought idea had a lot of potential but it wasnt implemented well.

I also think that one potential problem now with so many leagues would be that many of the foreign players will be in the squads of more than one team. However, this can easily be solved by allowing teams to have replacements for the league.

I think that if this was to happen, players HAVE to play for the team which is their home team. I.E. If Chris Gayle qualified for CLT20 via his IPL team and via his CPL team, he would HAVE to play for CPL team


In instances where a player qualified for two+ teams but neither were his home team, such as Dwayne Bravo qualifying via PSL team and IPL team, they should be able to choose, but wouldn't be eligible against any other teams they played for in the qualifying season. I hope someone in ICC can see this thread and take my suggestion on board

 

[HGhazanfar]

I think players should only be allowed to play 1 league a year - so only for 1 franchise for the entire year. What this does is makes franchise cricket more exciting where you dont keep seeing the same players in every tournament and also forces players to take international cricket serious and focus on their game to earn more money. A similar approach to soccer should be applied where top teams would enter into a champions league. So really during a cricket season players will play first class cricket in their country, international matches, domestic T20 league and the champions league.

International matches should become more meaningful by having teams play home and away games and matches counting towards direct qualification to world events. Minnows should also be incorporated into games against top sides as part fot he qualification process.

 

[WC-Passion]

It would be very interesting to watch, my issue is that players can play for multiple franchises across the world and in the end they'll pick the team that pays them most if there's a clash, so it's not a fair competition.

 

[sweep_shot]

No need for Champions League Twenty20. There is already too much cricket (various T20 leagues) and players will probably get injured.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

With the amount of T20 leagues going on around the world combined with international cricket, I just don't see a Champions League happening

 

[big_gamer007]

I would like to see it. I enjoyed it actually didn't watch all the matches but the ones I watched were enjoyable.

Problem is a lot of players are shared between franchisees so if a core player for Franchise A opts to play for Franchise B it makes Franchise A mediocre.
Top level crickets pool is very small compared to football where leagues are high quality.

In addition, league's like BBL, PSL, BPL, CPL etc are still are building up their support base. CLT20 will be a huge success once all leagues have teams with a massive support base. Before these teams have a support base no one will get invested in the tournament and it won't be as big.

Even in IPL the support base is still building up. It's good for some teams but for teams like Delhi, Rajasthan, Hyderabad it is not the same as compared to Chennai, Bangalore, Kolkata.

CLT20 still needs atleast one more decade to be viable tournament.

 

[sweep_shot]

I would like to see it. I enjoyed it actually didn't watch all the matches but the ones I watched were enjoyable.

Problem is a lot of players are shared between franchisees so if a core player for Franchise A opts to play for Franchise B it makes Franchise A mediocre.
Top level crickets pool is very small compared to football where leagues are high quality.

In addition, league's like BBL, PSL, BPL, CPL etc are still are building up their support base. CLT20 will be a huge success once all leagues have teams with a massive support base. Before these teams have a support base no one will get invested in the tournament and it won't be as big.

Even in IPL the support base is still building up. It's good for some teams but for teams like Delhi, Rajasthan, Hyderabad it is not the same as compared to Chennai, Bangalore, Kolkata.

CLT20 still needs atleast one more decade to be viable tournament.

It looks good on paper but we have to realize cricketers are humans and not robots. Players will likely get burned out. Indian players only play in IPL but many other players play in multiple leagues.

Also, if you add Champions League, it means that international cricket will have even smaller window.

 

[big_gamer007]

It looks good on paper but we have to realize cricketers are humans and not robots. Players will likely get burned out. Indian players only play in IPL but many other players play in multiple leagues.

Also, if you add Champions League, it means that international cricket will have even smaller window.

Of course the calendar has to be managed properly, that's a given.

Cricket is in a kind of a transition phase between internationals and these leagues and between T20s and Test/ODI.
In next decade as per consumer demand we will get to know which direction cricket is heading. If consumer demand is more for T20's and these leagues then gradually these league's will take forefront and international matches will be restricted.
On the other hand, if these leagues do not gather enough viewership and consumer demand, international cricket will continue the way it is right now.

From cricket perspective it is an interesting decade ahead. With multiple sports channels and sports being showed/played consumer has many options now compared to earlier. ICC needs to seriously think about their strategy for growing cricket as a sport and work on an expansion plan. If you look at the current status, there are only 5 countries which has cricket as a popular sport:

1. India
2. Pakistan
3. Bangladesh

The above three has no competition to cricket.

4. Australia
5. England

Cricket is a secondary sport compared to the major one Football in case of England, and in Australia many sports are played so cricket is just "one" of the sport not the "Major" sport.

Now with decline in SL, SA cricket two more major players might be lost.
NZ cricket will always be secondary to Rugby. Also the population of NZ isn't that high so monetary benefits coming from a country like NZ, will always be limited in cricket.
WI and other nations - The sport is very minor due to various reasons.

Bulk of the revenue currently comes from Indian companies/market. Tomorrow if the mood of Indian public shifts to Football or some other sport or even IPL then ICC will start losing money without any Plan B or expansion in place.

I am sure the ICC management committee already realizes all these points and are working on these points, so will be fascinating to see where they go from here.

 

[hur rizvi]

No point of this farce

Most champion teams will have players in common that fact alone is enough to show how pathetic this concept is