Is there any analogy in bowling to selfish batting?

[Proactive_]

Frequently, many batsmen in all forms of the game are accused of being "selfish" in their approach and putting themselves before the team. The question then arises is - Is such an approach possible while bowling? Can you, in any form or fashion be putting yourself before the team while bowling in any form of the game? Discuss!

 

[Leo23]

bowling defensive line to protect your economy when the team needs you to attack the batsman and take wickets?

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Bowling negative lines comes to mind in test cricket.

In T20 and ODIs, not following team meeting plans would be selfish, especially if you're getting smacked. In LOI its a bit harder for bowlers to truly be selfish.

 

[Proactive_]

bowling defensive line to protect your economy when the team needs you to attack the batsman and take wickets?

Interesting. But Economy is easily the third most looked after criteria in a bowler after Averages and SR, so I doubt a bowler would sacrifice his ability to pick wickets in order to boost their economy.

 

[Leo23]

Interesting. But Economy is easily the third most looked after criteria in a bowler after Averages and SR, so I doubt a bowler would sacrifice his ability to pick wickets in order to boost their economy.

but it can influence selection. if a bowler gets hit for sixes and fours he might get dropped even if he has taken some wickets. but a bowler who bowls economical rarely gets dropped even if he doesnt take wickets. for example amir in the last two years has not taken as many wickets as expected but his place was safe because his economy was always good.

 

[Proactive_]

but it can influence selection. if a bowler gets hit for sixes and fours he might get dropped even if he has taken some wickets. but a bowler who bowls economical rarely gets dropped even if he doesnt take wickets. for example amir in the last two years has not taken as many wickets as expected but his place was safe because his economy was always good.

Agreed. In LoI this can be a case but don't think it would work in Tests.

 

[DRsohail]

as amir did in some of the recent odi...

 

[Xoib]

Mohammad Amir in tests is the epitome of selfish bowling.

 

[mak36]

Haven't seen the Amir-haters for a while, but they've come out of hiding today. Tbh such haters are still trying to work out how to make his spell in the final fit with their irrational hatred of him.

 

[The Googly]

Ashwin in the ct final. Tried to bowl defensive. Lacked courage to aim for wickets.

 

[zulfiqar]

Actually Amir is a good example like others have pointed out. Because he is still making his way back into the team, he's focused on keeping a good line/length to avoid getting hit, even though Pakistan have needed someone to rise up and bowl more aggressively to take wickets. Of course, the other adjective you could use here is "scared" or "defensive", as in, a player who doesn't want to lose his spot. This is not to take a hit on Amir, who obviously sorted all that out in the Final against India

 

[Rayyman]

No, because when you are bowling, the captain is out there and he will tell you how to bowl.

 

[zulfiqar]

No, because when you are bowling, the captain is out there and he will tell you how to bowl.

Nah man that's almost never entirely the case. That might be the case with some 3rd tier bowlers who are only in the team to save runs (many Sri Lankan bowling units come to mind -- including the one that won them their World Cup in '96). These are often restricted to one or two role players and they are accurate enough to bowl to the field settings. Otherwise, most bowlers invariably have a say in how they will bowl.

 

[Rayyman]

bowling defensive line to protect your economy when the team needs you to attack the batsman and take wickets?

If team needs to get wickets, then captain put in close fielders, forcing the bowler to be attacking.

 

[kaifmazhar]

Tendulkar batting for his century is a prime example of selfish approach.

 

[kingusama92]

Overattacking is another variation of selfish bowling.

A bowler keeps going for the "hero" delivery instead of doing what his team needs.

 

[Muhammad10]

When you're bowling pies and about to collapse but insist on continuing in search of an elusive five-fer.

 

[Syed1]

We you are worse than gully mohallah level but successfully manage to fool people into believing that you are phasst and aggressive.

Talking about this guy -------------------->

 

[Rayyman]

We you are worse than gully mohallah level but successfully manage to fool people into believing that you are phasst and aggressive.

Talking about this guy -------------------->

But but but...he adds an extra variety to the attack?

 

[CricFan2012]

Amir has been bowling defensively for a while now. Only in the final he knew to attack or lose the match and face the hungry public.

 

[Pak_lover6]

Actually this . Because it is really difficult to bowl selfishly in any other way. Because in LOI's if you bowl defensively you will not be able to contain batsmen as they will eventually go after you . In tests usually if you bowl defensively it most probably won't be selfish as you are trying to do it for the team .

 

[Goooby]

There is also losing the plan as a bowler to try to take the wicket yourself rather than setting up the batsman and letting your parter take the scalp, for example on the last ball of the over. Often times this leads to a boundary ball and makes the other bowler have to restart.

 

[kamz]

but it can influence selection. if a bowler gets hit for sixes and fours he might get dropped even if he has taken some wickets. but a bowler who bowls economical rarely gets dropped even if he doesnt take wickets. for example amir in the last two years has not taken as many wickets as expected but his place was safe because his economy was always good.

not neceesarily, negative line means, more trying to save yourself rom getting hit. But there are instances, when you bowl aggressive linesand try to go for wickets, yet you don't get as batsmen try to see your quota out. So there is a difference in that, despite end result being the same where wickets column is nil

 

[ZyzzBrah]

Mohammad Amir in tests is the epitome of selfish bowling.

Your right, having catches dropped of his bowling is so selfish of him