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No fire, no fight: Is the current bowling lineup the worst in Pakistan cricket history?

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For decades, Pakistan cricket has been synonymous with world-class fast bowling. Our identity, our edge, and often our ticket to glory — bowling has always been the heartbeat of Pakistani cricket. Whether it was the magical swing of Wasim Akram, the reverse-swing mastery of Waqar Younis, or the raw pace of Shoaib Akhtar — these names struck fear into the hearts of batting line-ups around the world.

Growing up, it was normal to see Wasim, Waqar, and Shoaib terrorize even the best in the world. The legacy continued, albeit in a slightly diluted form, with the likes of Mohammad Sami, Shabbir Ahmed, Umer Gul and Shoaib Akhtar carrying the fast-bowling flag. Later, names like Rana Naved, Mohammad Asif, and a young Mohammad Amir brought back glimpses of that lost dominance. Amir, in particular, felt like a breath of fresh air — a generational talent who, despite not fully living up to expectations, had the ability to turn a game on its head.

Even during transitional phases, we were never completely out of decent bowling options. Bowlers like Junaid Khan, Mohammad Irfan, Wahab Riaz, and Sohail Khan — though not at the level of their predecessors — formed a respectable attack. It may not have been the best in the world, but it was still far better than what we are currently seeing.

Today, Pakistan's bowling reserves look alarmingly thin. There is a lack of bite, skill, and — most worryingly — hunger.

A few years ago, there was genuine excitement around Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah. Both had pace, potential, and the right attitude. Yet, in 2025, that excitement has turned into concern. Shaheen has lost the swing and sharpness that once made him unplayable in early overs. Naseem Shah, once seen as a prodigy, now looks alarmingly average — unfit, inconsistent, and missing that X-factor.

The situation in the spin department is even more dire. Once boasting greats like Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed, Danish Kaneria, and later Saeed Ajmal and Yasir Shah, Pakistan has always had match-winning spinners in the mix. Now, the cupboard is almost bare. There is no clear all-format spinner who can lead the attack or trouble top-tier batters consistently.

This is perhaps the lowest point in terms of bowling depth in Pakistan's cricketing history.

Gone are the days when any one of our bowlers could flip a match on its head. Even on bowler-friendly pitches, Pakistan’s current crop struggles to make an impact. The pace is down, the swing is missing, and there’s no fire in the belly. Watching Pakistani bowlers used to be an event — now, it feels like a chore.

So the question must be asked: Is it time to look ahead and move on from the current lot? Should we begin investing in the likes of Khurram Shahzad, Akif Javed, Ubaid Shah, and Ali Raza? They may not be the finished product yet, but at least they bring energy and ambition — qualities currently missing in the national attack.

The bowling crisis won’t solve itself. Talent needs to be scouted, nurtured, and backed. If Pakistan is to reclaim its legacy as the home of world-class fast bowling, it must start now. The golden era may be over, but there is still time to write a new chapter — if the right decisions are made.
 
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For sometime, it felt like Naseem, Haris, and Shaheen will be Pakistan’s fire pace battery trio. But Pakistan Cricket as a whole has been messed up

Chal gai to chand tak warna raat tak
 
For sometime, it felt like Naseem, Haris, and Shaheen will be Pakistan’s fire pace battery trio. But Pakistan Cricket as a whole has been messed up

Chal gai to chand tak warna raat tak
Then Haris became the run machine, Naseem's career peak days overhauled by injuries, and nobody talks about Shaheen's workload across all formats.
 
They have regressed just like numerous players in our system. When a supposed ‘star’ player has become a joke in your system, you know there’s a huge issue with player development.

Players themselves are also secure in blaming everybody but their own selves for their regression.

It’s a toxic culture and won’t be fixed any time soon sorry to say.
 
They are the most boring bowling lineup PCT ever fielded in my lifetime.
Even Azhar Mehmood had better skills than some here, and lack of a decent spinner is absolutely astonishing , never I thought PCT will be without a good spinner.
 
They are the most boring bowling lineup PCT ever fielded in my lifetime.
Even Azhar Mehmood had better skills than some here, and lack of a decent spinner is absolutely astonishing , never I thought PCT will be without a good spinner.
Based on what exactly is this post made? Spinners have taken 60 wickets in the last 19-odd games and have been the major contributors to the positive win-loss ratio Salman Agha currently has as captain.

It’s the pacers that have become rubbish in the past few years. Both Shaheen and Rauf have gone missing quite a few times, while Nawaz, Abrar and Sufiyan have been instrumental in our victories.

Ignorance as an Indian fan is justified, but then don’t come crying here when we say your new darling Abhishek Sharma is one of the biggest tullas playing cricket right now and he might get dropped during the Asia Cup.
 
I wonder if t20 and PSL (plus other leagues our players get to play in) has a big part on this. Previous generation used to get their biggest platform to perform in world tournaments or overseas tours or when playing India, etc.

Current generation can get enough fame and money just performing in PSL, etc...

Quickly become super star before you can even get 150 test wickets. (Not sure who last got that milestone to be honest).

If lose form or get found out at some point or lose pace, who cares, come next Feb you can become super star for a month or two again.

The likes of Shaheen, Nasim, Haris all had ingredients to get close to levels of prior lot names, but due to above factor I wonder if the hunger is missing.

More cricket all year and workload leading to injury could also be small part in this.
 
Has to be one of the worst for sure. Even during the 2010s under Misbah when Pakistan had one of their all-time worst white-ball teams, the bowling was really good. There were numerous matches where Ajmal, Hafeez and Afridi helped Pakistan defend under 250. Umar Gul was excellent in white-ball for a period of time too. And even later on, guys like Mohammad Irfan, Junaid Khan etc. were good.

During that whole period the perception used to be that Pakistan's batting is hopeless, but the bowling is good enough to even defend under par totals. Now pretty much everything is the doldrums.
 
bowling is not such a big issue major concern is batting on tricky wickets.. our boys can only bat on phatta wickets which we dont get everytime.
 
bowling is not such a big issue major concern is batting on tricky wickets.. our boys can only bat on phatta wickets which we dont get everytime.
Previous side under Babar and Rizwan couldn't even bat on phatta wickets. The batting is still relatively new where you have guys trying to get used to their roles.

Bowlers on the other hand rarely ever look like taking a wicket. The rate at which Shaheen, Naseem and Haris have regressed is staggering. A couple of years ago, prior to the Asia Cup, they were being touted as one of the best fast-bowling attacks in the world. Everything seems to have fallen off a cliff since that two-day international (TDI) against India and two years later things are somehow still in a freefall..
 
There is no competition, the PCB has not bothered to nurture replacements and consistent chances are not given to replacements. The seniors like Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf and co full well know their places are secure hence why there is no hunger or desperation to improve.
 
It’s alright and I’ve seen worse. Shaheen and Haris aren’t bad bowlers despite the complaints. They wouldn’t have the stats they have if they were. Abbas afridi isn’t bad either but bit unsure how he’s out of the squad.

Nawaz is bowling decently. Saim is actually a pretty good part timer. Maybe the specialist spinner it’s unclear right now, though some have potential.

What is lacking is skill. A lot of these bowlers are either making use of their physical attributes, height, pace, or just simply boring but accurate. There’s few with a lot of guile, can make the ball talk or can make the ball turn. Nothing stands out.

So I think the bowling attack is a little overhated despite not being amazing.

I think what would really help us is a really threatening wicket taking spinner. Not just some economical one. We miss someone like ajmal. The pressure you create with one is fantastic. Hopefully Sufiyan can become that and if not someone else.
 
Based on what exactly is this post made? Spinners have taken 60 wickets in the last 19-odd games and have been the major contributors to the positive win-loss ratio Salman Agha currently has as captain.

It’s the pacers that have become rubbish in the past few years. Both Shaheen and Rauf have gone missing quite a few times, while Nawaz, Abrar and Sufiyan have been instrumental in our victories.

Ignorance as an Indian fan is justified, but then don’t come crying here when we say your new darling Abhishek Sharma is one of the biggest tullas playing cricket right now and he might get dropped during the Asia Cup.
Lol here let me say it, Abhishek Sharma is no guarantee he will make it big, he has shown promises and yes might get dropped in T20, like Jaiswal has.

Why would you think I would defend Abhishek? Also which spinner of yours you are rating as world class right now?
India has 3 spinners in T20 ranking ahead of a Pakistani one without Kuldeep, you expected this to happen.
 
One of the better threads. Decline in standard of fast bowling coincided with associate level performance of Pakistan. They hit the nadir when they used industrial fans to produce pitches that are suitable for 38 year old uncle spinners so much so that 98% of the recent home series wickets went to spinners. They almost gave up on grooming fast bowlers. One that are available don't last more than 4 overs. Unless they produce test class pacers again they will have to settle for this hit and giggle format where they are chasing a wild goose by trying to outmatch the batting might of top countries.
 
Lol here let me say it, Abhishek Sharma is no guarantee he will make it big, he has shown promises and yes might get dropped in T20, like Jaiswal has.

Why would you think I would defend Abhishek? Also which spinner of yours you are rating as world class right now?
India has 3 spinners in T20 ranking ahead of a Pakistani one without Kuldeep, you expected this to happen.
Your task is to watch Pak vs UAE tomorrow and praise all the Pakistan players who perform
 
Lol here let me say it, Abhishek Sharma is no guarantee he will make it big, he has shown promises and yes might get dropped in T20, like Jaiswal has.

Why would you think I would defend Abhishek? Also which spinner of yours you are rating as world class right now?
India has 3 spinners in T20 ranking ahead of a Pakistani one without Kuldeep, you expected this to happen.
So any decent spinner in your eyes is supposed to be ranked above your spinners? The same rankings you jokers used to disregard when Pakistanis were ranked above your lot?
:vk2

Our spinners might not be world class, but they are doing their job. It’s the pacers that are losing us games day-in day-out.
 
Even during transitional phases, we were never completely out of decent bowling options. Bowlers like Junaid Khan, Mohammad Irfan, Wahab Riaz, and Sohail Khan — though not at the level of their predecessors — formed a respectable attack. It may not have been the best in the world, but it was still far better than what we are currently seeing.
Shaheen is better than all of those names. Naseem is better than most too.

Wahab was rank ordinary. Junaid was too slow and injury prone. Sohail was a nobody. Irfan was arguably the best of that lot but still only decent. There’s a reason his career ended with a 30+ ODI average and close to 40 in tests.
 
Things were pretty dire even in 2019 too. The game where Mohammad Musa Khan played was one of the lowest points IMO.

PCT could take only 3 wickets in that test match.

 
Has to be one of the worst for sure. Even during the 2010s under Misbah when Pakistan had one of their all-time worst white-ball teams, the bowling was really good. There were numerous matches where Ajmal, Hafeez and Afridi helped Pakistan defend under 250. Umar Gul was excellent in white-ball for a period of time too. And even later on, guys like Mohammad Irfan, Junaid Khan etc. were good.

During that whole period the perception used to be that Pakistan's batting is hopeless, but the bowling is good enough to even defend under par totals. Now pretty much everything is the doldrums.
Pakistan batting never set the world on fire. I doubt it will change anytime soon. Pakistan's strike rate year over year. Their strike rate in 2025 is lower than their strike rate in 2007.

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So any decent spinner in your eyes is supposed to be ranked above your spinners? The same rankings you jokers used to disregard when Pakistanis were ranked above your lot?
:vk2

Our spinners might not be world class, but they are doing their job. It’s the pacers that are losing us games day-in day-out.
There was a time when the spinners of PCT were doing more than “their” job if you think current spinners are of similar aura as ones before great be at it.
 
Pakistani fast bowler lifecycle explained.

1. Impressive in U19 cricket. Hyped to the moon & back
2. Really good & great debut season in both domestic & int'l
3. Injury in 2nd or 3rd season
4. Rushed back in, poor diagnosis, injury recurrence
5. Long break
6. Comeback with reduced speed, zero accuracy, zero skills.
7. Refusal to play test cricket. Only useful in tonty tonty leagues

We still haven't produced a fast bowler who has taken 200 test wickets after Waqar Younis who debuted in 1980s. Let that sink in, actually, one more fact, we have only 3 fast bowlers with 200+ test wickets so we can let the whole bathroom in at the same time as we are letting the sink in.

Amir, Asif, Gul, Rana Naveed, Iftikhar Anjum, Wahab, Sami, Shabbir, Abdul Rauf, Muhammad Wasim, Aqib, Abbas, Junaid, Shaheen, Haris, Naseem, Hasnain, Ihsanullah, & so many others are the part of this list who have debuted & done nothing real of note. Many of the names started as 145+ bowlers but then just lost their pace & desire to be any good real fast.

Let's just take the example of Australia, they have had three generations of greats since our last really decent bowler Akhtar debuted in 96. One generation was playing at the time Akhtar debuted and had

1. Mcgrath, Fleming, Gillespie, Mcdermott, and others

Then the next one came into prominence with some stalwarts of the previous gen

2. Lee, Harris, Shaun Tait, Mitchell Johnson, Siddle, and others

And then once this gen was heading towards the twilight of their careers, next one came

3. Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood, Boland, and others.

They have 12 fast bowlers with over 200 wickets & if you say that they have more fast bowlers in +200 club because they have played a lot of cricket, that excuse doesn't work because all of them are post war & in the time when Pak was playing cricket regularly too.

There are many who never got 200 wickets because the talent above them was so good that they never got their chance. Ryan Harris, Reiffel, Bruce Reid, Patinson alone would be a fearsome fast bowling quartet as they all have sub 30 bowling averages and in the case of Harris, sub 25 which is considered the gold standard of fast bowling.

The only thing fast about our bowling now is how quickly they disappear into nothingness.
 
Out of 6 bowlers, I see 3 spots as satsifactory:
1. Shaheen
2. Salman Mirza
3.
4.
5.
6. Saim Ayub (as a 6th bowling option).

Does Muqeem (or Abrar) has the potential to cover the 4th spot?
Muhammad Nawaz and Shadab Khan has to prove their worth as the 5th bowler.
While we need another reliable fast bowler at no. 3.
 
There was a time when the spinners of PCT were doing more than “their” job if you think current spinners are of similar aura as ones before great be at it.
Never said that, you have some serious comprehension issues or maybe having a bad day?
 
Pak Cricket as a whole is down the drain. One can throw random names but these cricketers are not really cricketers/athletes. They are below avg people playing crickets. The whole system is outdated producing below avg players. A sorry state of affairs, didn't happen overnight, we keep celebrating once in a blue moon wins with these part time players.
 
I think the main issue is technology and our players reluctance or capacity to evolve. Nowadays once you get into international cricket all the boards analyse your every ball and plan strategies accordingly. That's why all the unknowns cause a splash and once their modus operandi is found it they fade away in mediocrity.

Our players lack the critical thinking and mental fortitude required to always keep workijg on their skills and stay ahead of the curve.
 
I wonder if t20 and PSL (plus other leagues our players get to play in) has a big part on this. Previous generation used to get their biggest platform to perform in world tournaments or overseas tours or when playing India, etc.

Current generation can get enough fame and money just performing in PSL, etc...

Quickly become super star before you can even get 150 test wickets. (Not sure who last got that milestone to be honest).

If lose form or get found out at some point or lose pace, who cares, come next Feb you can become super star for a month or two again.

The likes of Shaheen, Nasim, Haris all had ingredients to get close to levels of prior lot names, but due to above factor I wonder if the hunger is missing.

More cricket all year and workload leading to injury could also be small part in this.
Just checked out of curiosity it is umar Gul who ended his career in 2013. Last fast bowler to get 200 test wicket was waqar who ended his career in 2003. Wow!!! This is supposed to be a country known for fast bowlers

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Yeah, agreed... This bowling line could be the worst out there but they are slowly getting back on track if we choose right bowlers now...
 
One of the better threads. Decline in standard of fast bowling coincided with associate level performance of Pakistan. They hit the nadir when they used industrial fans to produce pitches that are suitable for 38 year old uncle spinners so much so that 98% of the recent home series wickets went to spinners. They almost gave up on grooming fast bowlers. One that are available don't last more than 4 overs. Unless they produce test class pacers again they will have to settle for this hit and giggle format where they are chasing a wild goose by trying to outmatch the batting might of top countries.
Pakistan has only 3 fast bowlers in their entire history who took over 200 wickets, so that pace thing was always overhyped. Later there were many like Asif, Akhtar who were overhyped but fell off very soon for various reasons.

Even the ones who were majorly hyped like Amir or Gul were very poor in test cricket, the format which tells you how good a player is
 
It happens when you pick players based on talent over domestic experience.

You bring in players through social media hype, or directly from U19 cricket.

Before you select a bowler for the national team, make sure he has played at least 50 FC games before you consider selecting him for the national team.
 
Pakistan has only 3 fast bowlers in their entire history who took over 200 wickets, so that pace thing was always overhyped. Later there were many like Asif, Akhtar who were overhyped but fell off very soon for various reasons.

Even the ones who were majorly hyped like Amir or Gul were very poor in test cricket, the format which tells you how good a player is
I am talking about short formats only. They can't even execute consistent yorkers. Current bunch.
 
The amount of test cricket Pakistan has played over the past few years has also meant less opportunities to improve in that format of the game. PCB just isn't interested in playing test cricket anymore.
 
People when they get experience, game time under their belt are expected to improve exponentially but Pakistani players either remain stagnant or just get worse because they know full well they have enough power and influence in the Pakistani cricket system to ensure that there are no replacements for them or those replacements don't get enough consistent chances. No other team would have given the likes of Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf these many chances after so many failures.
 
It really is minnow level.

Sometimes your intensity can make up for your lack of skills.

Our bowlers turn up to play for Pakistan as if it’s a friendly, friends’ joke match. Take Hassan Ali - he looks much more intense and focused when playing county cricket. When he steps out in green he’s smiling laughing, back slapping.

We’re seeing something similar with Naseem for CPL vs for Pakistan
 
It really is minnow level.

Sometimes your intensity can make up for your lack of skills.

Our bowlers turn up to play for Pakistan as if it’s a friendly, friends’ joke match. Take Hassan Ali - he looks much more intense and focused when playing county cricket. When he steps out in green he’s smiling laughing, back slapping.

We’re seeing something similar with Naseem for CPL vs for Pakistan
Cake culture set by Misbah, Rizwan and babar has done lots of damage for PK cricket.
 
For decades, Pakistan cricket has been synonymous with world-class fast bowling. Our identity, our edge, and often our ticket to glory — bowling has always been the heartbeat of Pakistani cricket. Whether it was the magical swing of Wasim Akram, the reverse-swing mastery of Waqar Younis, or the raw pace of Shoaib Akhtar — these names struck fear into the hearts of batting line-ups around the world.

Growing up, it was normal to see Wasim, Waqar, and Shoaib terrorize even the best in the world. The legacy continued, albeit in a slightly diluted form, with the likes of Mohammad Sami, Shabbir Ahmed, Umer Gul and Shoaib Akhtar carrying the fast-bowling flag. Later, names like Rana Naved, Mohammad Asif, and a young Mohammad Amir brought back glimpses of that lost dominance. Amir, in particular, felt like a breath of fresh air — a generational talent who, despite not fully living up to expectations, had the ability to turn a game on its head.

Even during transitional phases, we were never completely out of decent bowling options. Bowlers like Junaid Khan, Mohammad Irfan, Wahab Riaz, and Sohail Khan — though not at the level of their predecessors — formed a respectable attack. It may not have been the best in the world, but it was still far better than what we are currently seeing.

Today, Pakistan's bowling reserves look alarmingly thin. There is a lack of bite, skill, and — most worryingly — hunger.

A few years ago, there was genuine excitement around Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah. Both had pace, potential, and the right attitude. Yet, in 2025, that excitement has turned into concern. Shaheen has lost the swing and sharpness that once made him unplayable in early overs. Naseem Shah, once seen as a prodigy, now looks alarmingly average — unfit, inconsistent, and missing that X-factor.

The situation in the spin department is even more dire. Once boasting greats like Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed, Danish Kaneria, and later Saeed Ajmal and Yasir Shah, Pakistan has always had match-winning spinners in the mix. Now, the cupboard is almost bare. There is no clear all-format spinner who can lead the attack or trouble top-tier batters consistently.

This is perhaps the lowest point in terms of bowling depth in Pakistan's cricketing history.

Gone are the days when any one of our bowlers could flip a match on its head. Even on bowler-friendly pitches, Pakistan’s current crop struggles to make an impact. The pace is down, the swing is missing, and there’s no fire in the belly. Watching Pakistani bowlers used to be an event — now, it feels like a chore.

So the question must be asked: Is it time to look ahead and move on from the current lot? Should we begin investing in the likes of Khurram Shahzad, Akif Javed, Ubaid Shah, and Ali Raza? They may not be the finished product yet, but at least they bring energy and ambition — qualities currently missing in the national attack.

The bowling crisis won’t solve itself. Talent needs to be scouted, nurtured, and backed. If Pakistan is to reclaim its legacy as the home of world-class fast bowling, it must start now. The golden era may be over, but there is still time to write a new chapter — if the right decisions are made.
The Pakistan team as a whole is failing to excite me. I am no longer motivated to watch them for entertainment and that is a huge red flag!
 
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