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Dropped today. Will he announce retirement after this series?

His performances this year:

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Is the torture finally over? At least the selectors finally made a call that should have been made 2 years ago.
 
Bewal Express said:
Is the torture finally over? At least the selectors finally made a call that should have been made 2 years ago.
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Notice who is effectively occupying his place. Agha, a dummy candidate.
Expect him to be back next series as the TM cite his 'experience'.
Had it been Kamran, Saud or even Shan who was there instead, it could've been serious.
 
Marooned said:
Notice who is effectively occupying his place. Agha, a dummy candidate.
Expect him to be back next series as the TM cite his 'experience'.
Had it been Kamran, Saud or even Shan who was there instead, it could've been serious.
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100% agree. I can see all being forgotten at the selection of the next series. Any questions, play the “experience” card.
 
He shouldnt have been dropped today..whats Agha doing in test team is mind bongling
 
Marooned said:
Notice who is effectively occupying his place. Agha, a dummy candidate.
Expect him to be back next series as the TM cite his 'experience'.
Had it been Kamran, Saud or even Shan who was there instead, it could've been serious.
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Possibly, but it's a finally a decision which these guys never looked like making.
 
The problem is that the we have Agha and Fawad playing, meaning that the situation is almost designed to give Azhar the maximum possible chance of returning. Shan is not played, perhaps because he would be a serious contender to shut the door on Azhar for good.
 
Omer2002 said:
He shouldnt have been dropped today..whats Agha doing in test team is mind bongling
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He shouldn’t have been dropped today? Yeah we are really going to struggle without another 9 from 70 odd deliveries, Azhar Ali masterclass. Win or lose, good riddance I say.
 
Usman said:
The problem is that the we have Agha and Fawad playing, meaning that the situation is almost designed to give Azhar the maximum possible chance of returning. Shan is not played, perhaps because he would be a serious contender to shut the door on Azhar for good.
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this. fawad at three is untentable against a strong pace bowling attack.
 
Yes, thank God, the torture is over, Azhar should have retired five years ago.

Don;t know why some are criticizing on Agha. He has been performing in QA trophy for long and now needs at least 3-4 tests before making a judgment about him.
 
I don't think he's done yet with international cricket.

I'm sure sooner or later he'll be back for Pakistan after others have struggled.
 
Saj said:
I don't think he's done yet with international cricket.

I'm sure sooner or later he'll be back for Pakistan after others have struggled.
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AA has played twice as long as his talent and performances deserved. Babar is too Conservative with his captaincy and i wouldn't be surprised if he comes back
 
should have been dropped with saud being picked. Agha dropped for fawad just for this series.
 
It's important, we get back to the days of batsmen who can actually play some shots, guys like Miandad, Saleem Malik, Inzi, Anwar and MoYo etc. We can never let Azhar types of strokeless wonders play as much as they have ever again.
 
Kroll said:
It's important, we get back to the days of batsmen who can actually play some shots, guys like Miandad, Saleem Malik, Inzi, Anwar and MoYo etc. We can never let Azhar types of strokeless wonders play as much as they have ever again.
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This is the legacy of playing on those Poor UAE wickets. Co
 
Ok selection.

Agha deserves more than just one test. Who knows, he may perform this test.

Long term i do see saud shakeel coming in.

We are playing too many allrounders…agha salman, Nawaz, Hasan ali etc.
 
It should be.

Good decision by the Pak selectors to replace him for this match.
 
Deservedly dropped He should do the right thing and announce his retirement with immediate effect

He served pakistan well but clinging on like this will only negatively affect his legacy
 
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Think he will. He announced his retirement from ODIs after getting dropped post CT17 as well.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Think he will. He announced his retirement from ODIs after getting dropped post CT17 as well.
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That was different He never was a limited overs player and he knew that The selectors and coaches were trying to force a square peg in a round hole so he decided to solely concentrate on what we he was good at ie test cricket

Here hes been ave to poor for 4 years now And hes not retired Hes got no cricket to fall back on and maybe is also eyeing the 100 tests so i doubt hes gonna retire anytime soon

i hope im wrong and hes a better man than that
 
Great decision by the Pak think tank.

'Seniors' in the subcontinent are a shameless bunch (well at least most of them) 0who cling on to their spots in the playing XI despite not being anywhere near their best for years. Not only do they hamper the team's winning chances, but also block a young deserving players' entry into the side.
 
moghul said:
Yes, thank God, the torture is over, Azhar should have retired five years ago.

Don;t know why some are criticizing on Agha. He has been performing in QA trophy for long and now needs at least 3-4 tests before making a judgment about him.
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What is Agha actual role?
 
Not really. He will back in the next series. Management just give him some rest.
 
What is Saud Shakeel in the squad for. Is he a perennial bench warmer? If you have done what I thought they’d never do and drop Azhar and still you can’t find a place for him in the team, then what else is required. I can kind of understand Agha if you want more spin options like the last test, but you already have 3 main spinners.

Again the non thinking think tank do the unthinkable.
 
Mesozoic said:
Great decision by the Pak think tank.

'Seniors' in the subcontinent are a shameless bunch (well at least most of them) 0who cling on to their spots in the playing XI despite not being anywhere near their best for years. Not only do they hamper the team's winning chances, but also block a young deserving players' entry into the side.
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Not a great decision at all when he's been replaced by another dinosaur. Fawad Alam is just a sideways move at this point.
 
daytrader said:
Dropped today. Will he announce retirement after this series?

His performances this year:

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These stats tell you everything you need to know about azhars batting lately

He only makes a telling contribution every 3-4 tests now and is pretty much none existent in the 2nd innings where he hasnt got a 50 in 13 tests

His overall contribution is very poor for someone so experienced and holding such a vital position in the team
 
should have dropped in 2017, 5 years PCB have taken to drop the fraud of passenger from the team.
 
It seems like end is near for Azhar. Pakistan definitely have better options than him currently.
 
Both saud Shakeel and kamran Ghulam should be playing in top 6 for england series.
 
ChTab said:
He's not going anywhere until he has played 100 tests
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Azhar can play fantasy cricket to complete his 100 tests . No place in Pakistan cricket , should also be not given a spot in Central Punjab team, enough of him.
 
Bewal Express said:
These guys are not ARs.
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Hassan Ali is considered a bowling all rounder.

Nawaz has a few first class centuries and plays at # 4 for his domestic team.

Agha Salman is playing as an off spin/allrounder.

They are occupying spots 6-8, typically there is a wicketkeeper at # 6, but we have rizwan who is playing as a top order batsman which is very beneficial for us.

Pakistan needs to have a selection of top 6 batsman, 7 as genuine allrounder like faheem who has done well in tests actually, nawaz/hasan ali at 8 and then three bowlers.
 
arif_2021 said:
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Hassan Ali is considered a bowling all rounder.

Nawaz has a few first class centuries and plays at # 4 for his domestic team.

Agha Salman is playing as an off spin/allrounder.

They are occupying spots 6-8, typically there is a wicketkeeper at # 6, but we have rizwan who is playing as a top order batsman which is very beneficial for us.

Pakistan needs to have a selection of top 6 batsman, 7 as genuine allrounder like faheem who has done well in tests actually, nawaz/hasan ali at 8 and then three bowlers.
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They aren't, they are bowlers who can bat a little or batsman who can bowl a little. Faheem Ashraf is a bowling AR, Ashwin is a bowling AR
 
Bewal Express said:
They aren't, they are bowlers who can bat a little or batsman who can bowl a little. Faheem Ashraf is a bowling AR, Ashwin is a bowling AR
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You answered your own question...they are "all rounders" or "bits and pcs" players as Manjrekar says when describing jadeja and ashwin.

The point is, Pakistan needs to go with a 6:2:3 configuration with # 7 SLA, and # 8 between Hasan Ali, Nawaz, and Faheem depending on the opposition. # 6 should be a genuine batsman since Rizwan is playing at #4 and we dont need a keeper at # 6
Hasan Ali should not play as a genuine bowler as he is not that impactful - he bowls at 80-85 mph.
 
arif_2021 said:
You answered your own question...they are "all rounders" or "bits and pcs" players as Manjrekar says when describing jadeja and ashwin.

The point is, Pakistan needs to go with a 6:2:3 configuration with # 7 SLA, and # 8 between Hasan Ali, Nawaz, and Faheem depending on the opposition. # 6 should be a genuine batsman since Rizwan is playing at #4 and we dont need a keeper at # 6
Hasan Ali should not play as a genuine bowler as he is not that impactful - he bowls at 80-85 mph.
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But the term AR has a specific meaning and even the watered down batting AR or bowling AR version has meaning, these guys don't fall into that category. If they score runs and take wickets, they too will be given that label.
 
arif_2021 said:
Ok selection.

Agha deserves more than just one test. Who knows, he may perform this test.

Long term i do see saud shakeel coming in.

We are playing too many allrounders…agha salman, Nawaz, Hasan ali etc.
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Nawaz is the only all rounder in this list. Agha is a batsman who can bowl and Hasan is a bowler who can tonk it a bit.
 
zarak said:
Nawaz is the only all rounder in this list. Agha is a batsman who can bowl and Hasan is a bowler who can tonk it a bit.
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Again, you answered your own question. Why not play pure specialists instead of Agha Salman. Is he a pure number 6? I dont think so.

Does Hasan Ali justify his selection purely on bowling? I dont think so. Hes bowling at 80 mph.

I understand he has bowled well recently, but if you look at Pakistan's losses, he is much to blame for having zero impact as well.
 
This is just typical of our selections for years. Belatedly drop someone after a long clamour. Replace with someone who is likely to fail anyway, paving the way to bring back that someone. They will find a way to get Azhar to 100 tests and then cut a cake
 
He’s coming back we need his experience in Australia to guide the youngsters if there are any while the teams slumps to innings defeats and further enhances its minnow status there.
 
TheSultan said:
This is just typical of our selections for years. Belatedly drop someone after a long clamour. Replace with someone who is likely to fail anyway, paving the way to bring back that someone. They will find a way to get Azhar to 100 tests and then cut a cake
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exactly if Pakistan were serious about long term building then a new player would have been brought in. So because no faith is clearly there in saud Shakeel does that mean Babar and Rizwan are going to bat 3 and 4 going forward in longterm?

its clearly obvious pakistan captain and management have zero clue about what they are doing.
 
can already see management blaming a lack of experience for paks batting collapse if they go on to lose this game.
 
Bringing Fawad was a sideways move and reopens the door for Azhar if Fawad fails.

The correct move was to give Saud Shakeel a go, especially after the strong team batting performance in the last game.

Babar clearly does not want to drop Azhar Ali and Hasan Ali. Saud, Dhani and strong domestic performers like Shan are unjustifiably left on the bench.
 
We don't do straight roads in Pak cricket, only roundabouts and Azhar will be back to complete his 100 Tests once he comes back round.
 
Kroll said:
We don't do straight roads in Pak cricket, only roundabouts and Azhar will be back to complete his 100 Tests once he comes back round.
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Would be the worst batsman to play 100 Tests ever. Inshallah, you will join our club too, we have a pace bowler with 100 tests. :ishant
 
Kroll said:
We don't do straight roads in Pak cricket, only roundabouts and Azhar will be back to complete his 100 Tests once he comes back round.
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spot on seems Babar is reluctant to fully move away from fawad or Azhar.

Azhar will defo be worst ever batsmen to play 100 tests if he shamefully gets there.
 
Azhar missing out on an easier pitch compared to the last test. I feel sorry for the poor guy as the SL series was supposed to be the easier series and a way to pad up the average.
 
I am no fan of Azhar Ali but looking purely at the numbers posted in the first post, Azhar has a century and 2 fifties is his last 8 innings/5 tests. I am not sure if that's a good enough reason to drop him.
 
Azhar has scored enough in recent past to not be dropped. But this picking of no future players like Salman and Fawad by dropping him makes no sense. Atleast invest in a young specialist bat
 
happydavy said:
I am no fan of Azhar Ali but looking purely at the numbers posted in the first post, Azhar has a century and 2 fifties is his last 8 innings/5 tests. I am not sure if that's a good enough reason to drop him.
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He is should have gone years ago.
 
Don't be surprised if Azhar makes a decent size score in second innings and we lose. He has a habit of scoring in losing causes to save his spot.
 
happydavy said:
I am no fan of Azhar Ali but looking purely at the numbers posted in the first post, Azhar has a century and 2 fifties is his last 8 innings/5 tests. I am not sure if that's a good enough reason to drop him.
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Him being dropped is not a bad thing , but they are stilll decent figures .

The more disturbing thing is people want him replaced with Shan masood who does not even average 30 after 25 tests and scored 30 runs in his last 8 test innings .
 
happydavy said:
I am no fan of Azhar Ali but looking purely at the numbers posted in the first post, Azhar has a century and 2 fifties is his last 8 innings/5 tests. I am not sure if that's a good enough reason to drop him.
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scored a 100 on a rawalpindi highway which most batsmen scored heavily. otherwise hes flopped. When conditions were tougher he disappeared.
 
Justcrazy said:
Azhar will be back soon , that is how Pakistan cricket works.
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I agree. Looking at Yasir Shah's comeback and selectors blind faith in a very old player like Nauman makes you think age is just a number for our selectors. No future insight. No policy. It's just short term goal chasing. Quite pathetic.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Yeah then brings a failure in fawad back. changes batting order.

So is babar going to bat 3 long term in tests now? with rizwan at 4?
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Babar should bat at 3 and If he does he should bring both Saud and Kamran into the xi and Rizwan at 6.
 
daytrader said:
Azhar missing out on an easier pitch compared to the last test. I feel sorry for the poor guy as the SL series was supposed to be the easier series and a way to pad up the average.
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No matter how good the track is Azhar will make even a flat pancake seem like a minefield the way he bats
 
I just hope they don't go back to Azhar if they lose this Test.

This is enough. It's time Saud & or Kamran get a proper shot and introducing them in Pakistan where they are set to play England & then NZ is the best way to do it.
 
Nasty Naz said:
I just hope they don't go back to Azhar if they lose this Test.

This is enough. It's time Saud & or Kamran get a proper shot and introducing them in Pakistan where they are set to play England & then NZ is the best way to do it.
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That's even more of a reason that we must draw the test.
 
Nasty Naz said:
I just hope they don't go back to Azhar if they lose this Test.

This is enough. It's time Saud & or Kamran get a proper shot and introducing them in Pakistan where they are set to play England & then NZ is the best way to do it.
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Azhar will replace fawad or Agha. This is how moronic and corrupt pakistan cricket is.
 
I am hoping they don't because in all honesty, their most senior & experienced players in Azhar/Fawad/Nauman performed the worst on this tour.

It's time to move forward and introduce Saud & Kamran into the team.

The batting & spin bowling departments are so extremely weak.
 
The PCB think everyone is a dimwit and will forget Azhar’s failings when the next series squad is selected. They will cite they lost their last test match and Azhar’s “experience” would have helped.

Completely ignoring the fact that he was replaced with another “senior” player who also failed.

The PCB’s social media love celebrating the most minuscule milestones and I bet they already have an Instagram post ready and waiting for Azhar’s 100th test and already have the cake on special order.

They will then show a pic of shaheen blowing a kiss at someone to post on insta

The world will go “aaaah, these poor pakistanis are lovely people really”. And the PCB charm offensive continues
 
You'd be happy for someone at the top of their game to reach the 100 test milestone. But with Azhar, its just going to be so fake and contrived.

Literally wasting a spot to help him reach this milestone which we can ill afford as we're carrying so many other has beens and passengers.
 
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