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Is this the worst phase of Indian cricket since WC 2015?

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Loss to Aus in one test, Home ODI series losses, not being able to win 3-0 in tests i Sri Lanka, All batsmen failed in IPL, played poorly throughout CT, fielded at its worst since England tour 2011, 2-3 passengers still carried because of backup from Godfathers, bad captaincy, Kohli at his poorest form of life, I haven't seen Indian team play this bad in odis since ages now. From the first match that we played against Pakistan, I discussed with friends that except Pakistan every other team would have beaten us on that day. Pakistan did nothing today and every half volley were gifted a wicket today. Not taking credit away from the Padosis but if we can not chase 340 on this wicket then no words really.

and No, it is not a knee jerk thread, every single match we played poorly in phases,so it was coming
 
Pakistan played better.

And we made tactical error.

It's a knee jerk reaction. Was just an off day in the office. Happens to everyone.
 
From the first day in this CT, we as Indian supporters knew things were wrong.undoubtedly worst phase of Indian cricket since last WC, but it is now sure that Yuvi and Dhoni will not be going to 2019 WC
 
joly said:
Loss to Aus in one test, Home ODI series losses, not being able to win 3-0 in tests i Sri Lanka, All batsmen failed in IPL, played poorly throughout CT, fielded at its worst since England tour 2011, 2-3 passengers still carried because of backup from Godfathers, bad captaincy, Kohli at his poorest form of life, I haven't seen Indian team play this bad in odis since ages now. From the first match that we played against Pakistan, I discussed with friends that except Pakistan every other team would have beaten us on that day. Pakistan did nothing today and every half volley were gifted a wicket today. Not taking credit away from the Padosis but if we can not chase 340 on this wicket then no words really.

and No, it is not a knee jerk thread, every single match we played poorly in phases,so it was coming
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We were the second strongest team in this tournament after England. You are just being over dramatic. Yuvraj and Dhoni needs to go.
 
Wow India are straight off to the Caribbean now with the first ODI at Queens Park Oval on 23rd June.

After this defeat, some introspection was needed and thought given to making changes, but instead they jump into another series.
 
Markhor said:
Wow India are straight off to the Caribbean now with the first ODI at Queens Park Oval on 23rd June.

After this defeat, some introspection was needed and thought given to making changes, but instead they jump into another series.
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Another junk series.

We're going to learn nothing by mauling the West Indies now.
 
Markhor said:
Wow India are straight off to the Caribbean now with the first ODI at Queens Park Oval on 23rd June.

After this defeat, some introspection was needed and thought given to making changes, but instead they jump into another series.
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Guess money talks.
 
joly said:
From the first day in this CT, we as Indian supporters knew things were wrong.undoubtedly worst phase of Indian cricket since last WC, but it is now sure that Yuvi and Dhoni will not be going to 2019 WC
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As long as Kohli is captain, we don't know that. He has backed them both for years.
 
You need to bring in youngster for god sake 2 years are left till 2019 WC it's enough time to groom Samson, pant, Pandey etc into the team.. If we are going to WI series I hope they send the youngsters in place of over the hill seniors.. Also Rahul needs to cement his place as opener instead of Rohit..
 
joly said:
Loss to Aus in one test, Home ODI series losses, not being able to win 3-0 in tests i Sri Lanka, All batsmen failed in IPL, played poorly throughout CT, fielded at its worst since England tour 2011, 2-3 passengers still carried because of backup from Godfathers, bad captaincy, Kohli at his poorest form of life, I haven't seen Indian team play this bad in odis since ages now. From the first match that we played against Pakistan, I discussed with friends that except Pakistan every other team would have beaten us on that day. Pakistan did nothing today and every half volley were gifted a wicket today. Not taking credit away from the Padosis but if we can not chase 340 on this wicket then no words really.

and No, it is not a knee jerk thread, every single match we played poorly in phases,so it was coming
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its a pretty damn good "worst" phase if we still make finals/SF of world events with such huge problems that you think affect the team ... :))
 
I think you are being a bit harsh. This team was huge favorite & played excellent to reach the finals so it cannot be called worst.
 
gani999 said:
That is right.

India will rip the Windies to shreds and the CT loss will be forgotten.
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This WI team has some new guns. Pakistan had to play out of their skin to win the tests. It will not be as easy as you think.
 
Lol India has had 2 bad days. 1 against Srilanka and now 1 against Pakistan. How is this the worst phase? 1 loss doesn't mean much. These guys are so good they will be back very soon. But India will have to make some decisions on ageing players like Yuvraj and Dhoni.
 
No way. Just another bad day within a span of 4 matches😀 Hope it doesn't become a trend though.
 
Losing is part of the game. It's not as bad as WC 15. That was of course a WORLD CUP. Honestly last years semi final defeat against WI in the WT20 hurt more.

Overall, India cricket is in a very healthy place. For me India was still one of the two strongest teams in the comp, and for most of the tournament they played very well. Today though, PAK were better in all areas. There is no way to dispute that. There is no need for any major changes, just a think about couple of the personnel and what plans we should be making for the 19 WC.
 
Pakistan had players hungry for success. India had players eager to adjust so that they can extend their career. This was the difference.
 
Pollack said:
Pakistan had players hungry for success. India had players eager to adjust so that they can extend their career. This was the difference.
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good point, but how you explain the fielding, lack of intent in batting ,playing it safe and blunders in decision making and drooping shoulders since SL defeat
 
india ran into the better team on the day. Still a top ODI team. sometimes this happens.
 
Too much exaggeration. India is a top team and definitely not in the worst phase.
 
Indian fans need to understand that India play in a methodical professional manner nowadays. There is a certainty about what they can bring and how much they can bring into a game.

The result is India wins a lot more games than it did in the '90s when we played in an up-down manner. The downside to this is that, when we come up against a team that is not calm and methodical, we either crush them or are beaten in a shocking way. It happened against West Indies in the T20 WC semis and yesterday vs Pakistan.

I remember telling a friend of mine a few years back - Somehow the Indian team has become boring even though we are winning more.

Couldn't nail in words back then what had changed, and don't think I can even now.
 
A call needs to be taken regarding MSD and Yuvi, and Aswin too, if he's declined in ODI's Kuldeep must be honed in pressure matches !
 
pillionrider said:
Indian fans need to understand that India play in a methodical professional manner nowadays. There is a certainty about what they can bring and how much they can bring into a game.

The result is India wins a lot more games than it did in the '90s when we played in an up-down manner. The downside to this is that, when we come up against a team that is not calm and methodical, we either crush them or are beaten in a shocking way. It happened against West Indies in the T20 WC semis and yesterday vs Pakistan.

I remember telling a friend of mine a few years back - Somehow the Indian team has become boring even though we are winning more.

Couldn't nail in words back then what had changed, and don't think I can even now.
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Great point . I guess we'll take the consistent winning till the semis' or finals over those once in a blue moon titles pre 2005.
 
[MENTION=138723]hurricanes[/MENTION] yes Pakistan were the better team on the day. They outplayed India in all facets and beat them by a huge margin.

Overall yes u can say India is the better team but on the day Pakistan were better.
 
pillionrider said:
Indian fans need to understand that India play in a methodical professional manner nowadays. There is a certainty about what they can bring and how much they can bring into a game.

The result is India wins a lot more games than it did in the '90s when we played in an up-down manner. The downside to this is that, when we come up against a team that is not calm and methodical, we either crush them or are beaten in a shocking way. It happened against West Indies in the T20 WC semis and yesterday vs Pakistan.

I remember telling a friend of mine a few years back - Somehow the Indian team has become boring even though we are winning more.

Couldn't nail in words back then what had changed, and don't think I can even now.
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Excellent point. In that sense we've become a lot like South Africa.

When we face up to otherwise mediocre teams like West Indies in the WT20, or Pakistan yesterday it becomes a contest between science and art. And science loses.
 
India's batting lineup is very weak. Yuvraj and Dhoni are past their due date and Jadhav is an average looking cricketer that might be 5'5" in height.

Seriously only the top 3 is good. Pandya and Jadeja are good for a few overs down the order. But the middle order is crap.
 
India got to the semis of the last 50 Over World Cup, Semis of T20 World Cup, and to the final of the Champions Trophy. Ok, they didn't win any of the 3, but they did not digrace themselves by any means.

You Indian fans don't seem to remember the 90's.

In any case, I remember saying at the beginning of this tournament that India's batting is not that great. They have made a big mistake in not bringing anyone young through. That whole top 6 is roughly around the same age, and they will all grow old together.

To have a top team you need a mix of ages - that brings in a mixture of experience, players at their peak, and young guys who are hungry and fearless, ready to kick on. With India, you have players like Dhoni, Yuvraj and Dhawan who are already past their best, Rohit Sharma and Kohli + Jhadhav who was almost a passenger and in his late 20s. Not a great combo.

To be honest, the last good player that India brought through was Kohli. And he will be 29 in a few months. Where is the next one?
 
This is the best Indian ODI team.

Pakistan played better on the day
 
Me and many of my colleagues have collectively boycotted Indian matches for a few months until and uless Yuvi is dropped and Pant becomes a regular feature of the team
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
If this is India's worst phase then what about the number 1 ranked team South Africa?
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it is insane that the guys are in the caribean for another useless series after uselss ipl....i call it useless because it is too long and takes the energies out of the players..
 
India have become chokers in recent tournaments, losing CT final yesterday, 2016 semi, 2015 wc semi, 2014 final.
 
vandokkum said:
India have become chokers in recent tournaments, losing CT final yesterday, 2016 semi, 2015 wc semi, 2014 final.
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And we lost to Champions of the trophy in all those tournaments,no disgrace in that but yes we are not able to cross the hurdle for 4 years now.
 
pillionrider said:
Indian fans need to understand that India play in a methodical professional manner nowadays. There is a certainty about what they can bring and how much they can bring into a game.

The result is India wins a lot more games than it did in the '90s when we played in an up-down manner. The downside to this is that, when we come up against a team that is not calm and methodical, we either crush them or are beaten in a shocking way. It happened against West Indies in the T20 WC semis and yesterday vs Pakistan.

I remember telling a friend of mine a few years back - Somehow the Indian team has become boring even though we are winning more.

Couldn't nail in words back then what had changed, and don't think I can even now.
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Well said,but I rather take this,and somehow make dropping of non-performers quicker.I feel one of the reasons we lost was carrying them,but also imo Kohli is not a great captain and partial to his Poonjabi friends.
 
vandokkum said:
India have become chokers in recent tournaments, losing CT final yesterday, 2016 semi, 2015 wc semi, 2014 final.
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We were beaten by teams playing with a much better strategy on all 3 occasions, whereas we played more or less with the same approach from 2011 . Also in all three tournaments we were exclusively dependent on Kohli to take us that far, that to me is a regression from what we were in 2008-2011 . !
 
Most teams are in a rut.

NZ, Aus, India and SA are in place where they need to start making a number of changes so they're prepared for 2019.

NZ and Aus have no middle order, whereas India and SA have oldies who are past it or aren't good under pressure.

England went into this tournament hot with a strong squad and couldn't get it done, to me that tells me that they will probably never be able to do it.
 
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Lol come on. Yes you got beat, but you're still in the top 5 ODI rankings have done enough in the last 2 years to show you're still a top side.

There's a few passengers but your bench strength is better than most teams'.

One thing though- I feel if Dhoni was captain there might've been a much closer result..
 
LOL at worst phase.

Your team just reached the CT final in foreign conditions and reached the 2016 World T20 SF last year.

I think India is in good hands despite having a bad game yesterday.
 
Suleiman said:
Lol come on. Yes you got beat, but you're still in the top 5 ODI rankings have done enough in the last 2 years to show you're still a top side.

There's a few passengers but your bench strength is better than most teams'.

One thing though- I feel if Dhoni was captain there might've been a much closer result..
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Dhoni is one of the first players who should be shown the door in the indian team - complete passenger during the last few games. ATG in ODI's but clearly past it now.
 
Suleiman said:
Lol come on. Yes you got beat, but you're still in the top 5 ODI rankings have done enough in the last 2 years to show you're still a top side.

There's a few passengers but your bench strength is better than most teams'.

One thing though- I feel if Dhoni was captain there might've been a much closer result..
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When the bowlers were getting tonked, Kohli kept on going to Dhoni, that prevents Kohli from learning to make decisions on his own. And Dhoni is just past it, to make the team as WK alone, even his keeping against pacers wasn't great to begin with .

I have no faith in him continuing to 2019 , better start grooming a decent WK now!. Not DK or Parthiv, but some young guy , who can play a good 10-12 years.
 
If worst phase is reaching final of a global tournament than what would be best phase than lol. Point is you are not going to chase 340 runs often no matter how good you are .
 
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