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Thanks for the thumbs up! Your tried to be funny, but somehow u fail to do so. Why dont you try a little harder?
Excellent rebuttal. Brilliant!
He was 136-142k at Galle, and fastest was 145k while Prasad bent his back and clocked 144k. He doesn't hit the pitch hard as Yadav or Prasad does. Aaron is overrated as a fast bowler. He is no where as fast as Wahab Riaz or Dushmantha Chameera or Umesh Yadav.This is the pace Wahab operates at in 75% of his matches. Aaron has always maintained a 140kph+ pace even in Tests.
As for you or someone claiming Indian speed guns being faster, Aaron has sustained average bowling pace of 145-147 kph even in matches played outside India.
Aaron is so over rated, its unbelievable. Is there a single international batsman who has wet himself and said i don't want to face this guy. Wahab has already got the likes of Shane Watson, Michael Clarke, and now England talking about him.
exactly even if aaron and yadav are faster then wahab wahab has a better brain and better control which was very hard to say about him before
Its about speed. In terms of speed, no one can match aron.... Even Yadav.Aaron is so over rated, its unbelievable. Is there a single international batsman who has wet himself and said i don't want to face this guy. Wahab has already got the likes of Shane Watson, Michael Clarke, and now England talking about him.
I beg to differ. Aaron is not consistently expressIts about speed. In terms of speed, no one can match aron.... Even Yadav.
Quality is whole different issue.
he is not even the third quickest. entire series failed to hit 148k, where as Chameera hit 149k. Today at Pallekele he might even hit 150k.Aaron is garbage...period,but he is the quickest in SC and in the top 3 with Starc and Milne for sure,this topic is only about speed not Quality...
I beg to differ. Aaron is not consistently express
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he is not even the third quickest. entire series failed to hit 148k, where as Chameera hit 149k. Today at Pallekele he might even hit 150k.
That was the series he came back from an injury. Why don't you judge a bowler based on 90% of the matches rather than picking one single example?
ODI bowling average pace of 145+, Test match average pace of 142-144 throughout his career... not one bowler in Asia comes close to this.
Then you must do this for Wahab, Aarun and you will find out where Aarun stands.
Lol Pakistanis getting all insecure and defensive, no one said Aaron was a better bowler than Wahab, ofcourse Wahab is the better bowler, title of the thread is 'is Varun Aaron the fastest bowler in subcontinent' and Aaron is the fastest bowler from SC right now....
Different speed guns. I only judge players when they play together using the same speed guns. Pakistani bowlers were much quicker than Aaron and Yadav in the SL tour, and even Shannon Gabriel hit 150k.That was the series he came back from an injury. Why don't you judge a bowler based on 90% of the matches rather than picking one single example?
ODI bowling average pace of 145+, Test match average pace of 142-144 throughout his career... not one bowler in Asia comes close to this.
Different speed guns. I only judge players when they play together using the same speed guns. Pakistani bowlers were much quicker than Aaron and Yadav in the SL tour, and even Shannon Gabriel hit 150k.
and why would you want him to do that why not supporting wahab and continue building the momentum.Cricinfo says that Aaron's fastest ball today was 146.1kph in the first test of series and Umesh's fastest ball was 147.7 kph with average speed of one being 140kph and other being 143kph but note they have just bowled 3 overs only.
After first test when you will compare fastest balls of Wahab , Aaron and Umesh as well as the average speeds in first and second innings with India vs SA first test and Pak vs Eng first test than you will find out Wahan to be more quick both on average pace and fastest ball.
and why would you want him to do that why not supporting wahab and continue building the momentum.
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I think I explained Aaron's lower speeds in Lanka quite well above, he came out of an injury. Few points you should consider.
Why is it hard to accept that Wahab only bowls express once in a while and only when needed? He bowls Yadav's pace or slower most of the times, but can join Aaron and Milne whenever he desires. If anything, it is a smarter way to go about bowling, and I don't see why Pakistani fans feel offended when someone says that.
- Wahab was bowling medium pace in Bangladesh like he does in most bilateral series, Aaron was express there (like he always is).
- Wahab was outpaced quite easily by MJ and Starc in UAE. A few months later, the same MJ and Starc were outpaced by Aaron.
- Even though Wahab hit 154 in the WC, his average pace throughout the tournament was slower or equal to Yadav. This Yadav is nowhere near Aaron when it comes to raw pace.
The question was for Mamoon.I support wahab.
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37 overs of 140k+ in one innings under the UAE heat, 1st test
Followed by the 9 over 90 mph spell in the 2nd test.
Sustained 140k+ throughout three tests bowling 100+ overs.
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Lol at 'can't sustain pace.' Aaron and Yadav would need 10 lives to manage something like this.
LOL, 86 miles, 87 miles.. that's all you got for the bragging?
Below are some of Aaron's longer spells.
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I haven't even the mentioned the ODI pace were where Aaron wipes floor with Wahab. Half the matches Wahab trundles at 138 kph while Aaron is 145+ kph consistent.. ALWAYS.
Bowlers like MJ and Starc visited, made Wahab look like a trundler. Same MJ and Starc paled in front of Aaron.. that should give you some idea of how much quicker he is !
Comparing a 37 over spell to 10 overs? You've got comprehension issues.
Comparing a 37 over spell to 10 overs? You've got comprehension issues.
140+ deliveries is 10 overs? You got mathematical issues.
Btw, keeping your bias aside, wouldn't you agree that Wahab's usual spells have been 85-86mph range in the last 2 years?
87.8 to 87.6. One spell bowled under the UAE heat, the other in Australia.
No, Wahab's pace varies. He can go from 140k to 150k quite easily if he wants. Usually averages around 140k and bowls spells of 145k+ inbetween innings.
Neither of Aaron or Yadav can bowl heavy balls like Wahab. They don't have the leverage nor the shoulder strength or the slingy action to gain that steep bounce.
87.8 to 87.6. One spell bowled under the UAE heat, the other in Australia.
No, Wahab's pace varies. He can go from 140k to 150k quite easily if he wants. Usually averages around 140k and bowls spells of 145k+ inbetween innings.
Neither of Aaron or Yadav can bowl heavy balls like Wahab. They don't have the leverage nor the shoulder strength or the slingy action to gain that steep bounce.
Australian bowlers (who are faster than Wahab) all bowled on the same pitches under the same heat. Compare their speeds to Aaron's.
Australian bowlers (who are faster than Wahab) all bowled on the same pitches under the same heat. Compare their speeds to Aaron's.
I don't know about heavy balls, but Aaron's pace most Tests has been 88-90mph. When he bowls near 100 deliveries, he is still around 88mph. In ODIs, he averages 145kph.
The consistency in his pace makes him the fastest in Asia for me. If Wahab did this every match, I would call him as fast or faster.. but I know what pace he bowls half the matches, so I didn't make that call.
Johnson had lost his pace when India toured.
Starc does not bowl with the same pace in tests.
Starc and Johnson were way quicker than Wahab even in UAE heat too. What is also true is that Aaron outpaced them both in Australia.
I think more than the actual facts, the thread comes down to national pride, so let's not expect a reasonable debate.
Played Pakistan in October 2014.
Played India in December 2014.
So he lost his pace in 2 months? Please, be reasonable.
Aaron has played 8-9 ODIs IIRC.
True, and that goes against him. But I think it is easy to see when a bowler is express. he bowls the same pace in domestic matches, IPL, T20s, ODIs, Tests.
If you believe Wahab is faster, alright. But I would disagree.
Wahab at the moment can maintain a better average speed than everyone else because of his fitness and strength. Milne is quite fragile at the moment, but if used in short bursts, IMO he will come out as the quickest. He certainly has the most potential in terms of speed of all bowlers bowling today.
If he develops physically with a bit of strength training, he can get very close to Akhtar/Lee level in terms of raw pace.
Aaron is not at Shoaib's and Lee's level when it comes to consistent high 140's and 150's. Show me Video evidence to prove otherwise.
Based on what? What was the last time Wahab maintained 146+kph average pace in ODIs? I know for sure that Aaron has done this almost every single time he played ODIs.
Aaron is not at Shoaib's and Lee's level when it comes to consistent high 140's and 150's. Show me Video evidence to prove otherwise.
Aaron is not up there at all. Has no career defining performance. He is an unknown commodity and has not produced anything to be recognized world wide yet.Lee isn't from sub continent. Is he?
Akhtar is up there along with aron. Will agree that.
No, I don't think there's much between the two. I gave the edge to Wahab because he's played longer and hurries the batsmen more which is what matters in the end. The speed gun only measures the velocity out of the hand but it cannot differentiate between a bouncer or a full pitched delivery. A short pitched delivery leaves the hand later than a full pitched delivery thus shows up as slower on the speed gun. In comparison, Wahab bowls a lot more shorter deliveries.
Aaron is not up there at all. Has no career defining performance. He is an unknown commodity and has not produced anything to be recognized world wide yet.
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He is not express fast either on a consistent basis either. Everytime I have seen videos of him, he has always been in the low 140's. Show me a video of him bowling in the high 140's and early 150's for a 4-5 over spell.We are talking about speed, not quality.
To be the fastest, you don't need performance, you need speed.
He is not express fast either on a consistent basis either. Everytime I have seen videos of him, he has always been in the low 140's. Show me a video of him bowling in the high 140's and early 150's for a 4-5 over spell.
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. Show me a video of him bowling in the high 140's and early 150's for a 4-5 over spell.
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I didn't talk about Wahab either. But those saying Aaron is at Lee's and shoaibs level speed wise are lying through their teeth shamelessly.Can you show me a video of Wahab doing the above ?
The way they defend Aaron, it's more the Indians who are getting insecure probably because even a tiny country like Sri Lanka gives them competition in the pace dpt, look at [MENTION=135666]joly[/MENTION] saying that he's "avg 6 kph faster" than "anyone else in the SC", incl. Wahab Riaz, which is absolutely ridiculous to say the least.
And forget Wahab Sami too is faster than him :
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I didn't talk about Wahab either. But those saying Aaron is at Lee's and shoaibs level speed wise are lying through their teeth shamelessly.
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Lol Pakistanis getting all insecure and defensive, no one said Aaron was a better bowler than Wahab, ofcourse Wahab is the better bowler, title of the thread is 'is Varun Aaron the fastest bowler in subcontinent' and Aaron is the fastest bowler from SC right now....
How did Varun Aaron clocked 150 kph in Australia, then?
dont think so wahab was faster at the world cup when he wants he is faster
Akhtar and Lee were different beasts, it is not even a comparison here. What he does do quite well however is bowl 145+ consistently in ODIs atleast. Below is what his typical 5-6 overs in ODIs have been in the short career. He hovers between a range consistently.
This. Riaz can alter his speed depending on what is needed. He also utilizes the slower-delivery often so the geniuses looking at his average speeds in every match need to take this into account.
wow, I didn't realize India have found a proper quick bowler for once! Congrats.
Have not seen much of him, but seems from the data that Aaron appears to be quicker, specially in ODI's. Wahab sustaining pace for 30+ overs is a monster feat, and one Aaron has not had the chance to match yet, but stats on this thread seem to suggest Aaron is quicker. Difficult to say as a Pak fan!
Whether he is a better bowler, of course, is another issue...
What have the speeds been today for Aaron? It's an overcast day and pitch seems to have moisture
somewhere around 85 to 88 mph , as most times . bowled a good un to get Amla.
somewhere around 85 to 88 mph , as most times . bowled a good un to get Amla.