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They both have a never say die attitude.

They don't like to take any sh!t from the opposition.

I can really see India doing big things under him. Like being the first Asian captain to win test series in Australia and SA.
 
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Acricketfan said:
They both don't have a never say die attitude.

They don't like to take any sh!t from the opposition.

I can really see India doing big things under him. Like being the first Asian captain to win test series in Australia and SA.
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with your current bowling a BIG NOOOOO.Reason All depend upon Ashwin if get it right than may be other wise indian bowling will expose
 
saeed5646 said:
with your current bowling a BIG NOOOOO.Reason All depend upon Ashwin if get it right than may be other wise indian bowling will expose
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See the spell of Umesh Yadav in the Delhi test 4th innings of Delhi test. Don't tell me it didn't remind you of Waqar.
 
Very similar batsmen. Both are great match-winners with a proven weakness. Their body language too is quite identical.
 
Kohli next Tendulkar sir --> Failed
Kohli next Pointing --> Will fail sooner
Kohli next Sanga --> Advance fail
Kohli next Ashraful --> Close competition, bring it on.
 
Zak_Fan said:
More like you are one biased person who can't stand an Indian player being admired.

Virat is an ATG in making.
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Yes i am a biased person only in case of Kohli. Go and check other threads and see what i have said re Indian players like Kapil, Tendulkar, Zak, Sehwag, DHoni e.t.c .Even my over all favorite player from Asia is Dravid.
So your mind reading machine is not working properly bhai :)
 
comparing a jobber with a 3 Time World Cup winner, 2 times Champions Trophy winner and Ashes hero. Also a mature person who don't go on media whining like a 12 year old.

Kohli is not even close to tying Ponting shoelaces

some fans are too delusional :facepalm:
 
Virat is better than Ponting. Ponting struggled a lot on indian conditions. Virat looks at ease in Aussie conditions. Ability wise, both are amazing.
 
Actually Kohli is always hyped to be the next Sachin, when in reality, Rahane is the one whose play is similar to Sachin.

Kohli's persona is eerily similar to Ponting.

Both dominating players.
Both aggressive on field.
Both play the game with their heart on their sleeve.
Both want to win at all costs.
Both are players the opposition would love to hate, but would wish they had one in their team.

Even their play is very similar. The shots of both always got a punch to them (whereas someone like Rahane/Sachin played silken touch shots).

ODIs wise, I would say Kohli has already matched Ponting in that regard. But in tests, he has a long way to go to match Ponting. Ponting, struggles at India aside, absolutely beasted at home and would pummel the attacks to no end and was also dominant elsewhere. Kohli meanwhile isn't as dominant as Ponting at home and needs some work to do to convert his centuries into double centuries. But he is well on his way.
 
Some people are just don't getting the point of the thread. It might seem too early to compare Kohli to an ATG like Ponting but trust me, it is worth it.
 
Attitude and batting style wise, YES. Looks like Ponting when is at the crease most of the times. Heights may be the same as well.
 
Acricketfan said:
See the spell of Umesh Yadav in the Delhi test 4th innings of Delhi test. Don't tell me it didn't remind you of Waqar.
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Well in terms of reverse swing it was good. But in terms of the quality of batsmen it was OK. Didnt get the wickets of AB de Villiers and Amla.
 
A bit similar to "is Shehzad the next Tendulkar".

Stop this.

Kohli had a very good start to his ODI career, which has been on a steady decline since an year or so.

Was never excellent in Tests, and is continuing to hold that reputation in the premier format. How come there's any comparison to a great like Ponting?

Williamson, Root, Rahane, Smith are all much ahead.
 
Hawkeye said:
A bit similar to "is Shehzad the next Tendulkar".

Stop this.

Kohli had a very good start to his ODI career, which has been on a steady decline since an year or so.

Was never excellent in Tests, and is continuing to hold that reputation in the premier format. How come there's any comparison to a great like Ponting?

Williamson, Root, Rahane, Smith are all much ahead.
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Well, i was talking about their attitude on the field. Not batsman ship. Kohli has a long way to go before being compared to Punter in that regard. But I believe he will be in the same league one day.
 
Hawkeye said:
A bit similar to "is Shehzad the next Tendulkar".

Stop this.

Kohli had a very good start to his ODI career, which has been on a steady decline since an year or so.

Was never excellent in Tests, and is continuing to hold that reputation in the premier format. How come there's any comparison to a great like Ponting?

Williamson, Root, Rahane, Smith are all much ahead.
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If averaging 49 in Australia, South Africa, England and New Zealand isn't good enough for you, then that's your problem.
 
When people used to compare kohli to sachin i said that he reminds me of Ponting and that was 2 years ago. But he can't become the next ponting. He was something else and once in a generation type of cricketer just like sachin and lara.
 
Raw deal said:
Virat is better than Ponting. Ponting struggled a lot on indian conditions. Virat looks at ease in Aussie conditions. Ability wise, both are amazing.
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that's because Australia conditions are fair to everyone. indian conditions are far from fair, they literally make pitches to make them look good
 
Zak_Fan said:
More like you are one biased person who can't stand an Indian player being admired.

Virat is an ATG in making.
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still not complete :))) :))) its been more than 5 years :))) :))) didn't know it takes longer than that to become ATG :)))
 
dashing_man said:
that's because Australia conditions are fair to everyone. indian conditions are far from fair, they literally make pitches to make them look good
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Ehh? Mathew hayden did brilliantly well on Indian pitches when Ricky ponting failed.
 
Hahahahahaha. I literally laughed no kidding
 
street cricketer said:
Actually Kohli is always hyped to be the next Sachin, when in reality, Rahane is the one whose play is similar to Sachin.

Kohli's persona is eerily similar to Ponting.

Both dominating players.
Both aggressive on field.
Both play the game with their heart on their sleeve.
Both want to win at all costs.
Both are players the opposition would love to hate, but would wish they had one in their team.

Even their play is very similar. The shots of both always got a punch to them (whereas someone like Rahane/Sachin played silken touch shots).

ODIs wise, I would say Kohli has already matched Ponting in that regard. But in tests, he has a long way to go to match Ponting. Ponting, struggles at India aside, absolutely beasted at home and would pummel the attacks to no end and was also dominant elsewhere. Kohli meanwhile isn't as dominant as Ponting at home and needs some work to do to convert his centuries into double centuries. But he is well on his way.
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How shameless and delusional can you be. This Kohli has already matched Ponting in ODIs ??? In your dreams mate.

Ponting has won 3 World Cups and starred in numerous. Kohli has largely failed in both World Cups he has failed
 
Slog said:
How shameless and delusional can you be. This Kohli has already matched Ponting in ODIs ??? In your dreams mate.

Ponting has won 3 World Cups and starred in numerous. Kohli has largely failed in both World Cups he has failed
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If World cup performannces is all it takes to compare both, Gautam Gambhir must be equal to Ricky ponting. :D
 
#GreenRoars said:
What an insult to Ponting.
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How is it an insult? He may not go onto become as good as Ponting that is another thing. But whatever he has achieved in his short career so far, all indications are he'll be among the top bats of this generation.
 
Slog said:
How shameless and delusional can you be. This Kohli has already matched Ponting in ODIs ??? In your dreams mate.

Ponting has won 3 World Cups and starred in numerous. Kohli has largely failed in both World Cups he has failed
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If AB has matched Sachin, Viv etc, then it is fair to say that in terms of skill Kohli isn't far behind Ponting in ODIs. Statistically Ponting isn't ahead of Kohli either.

That being said I think Kohli is a good distance behind Ponting even in ODIs. But that doesn't mean someone can't have the opinion that Kohli is ahead of Ponting.
 
Raw deal said:
If World cup performannces is all it takes to compare both, Gautam Gambhir must be equal to Ricky ponting. :D
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Yes when he wins 3 WOrld Cups or pummels a team in one of the 3 finals like the phainty he gave you guys in 2003
 
Cricfan4eva said:
How is it an insult? He may not go onto become as good as Ponting that is another thing. But whatever he has achieved in his short career so far, all indications are he'll be among the top bats of this generation.
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He's failed in 2 world cups largely
 
Slog said:
This thread is shameless. Being a huge Ponting admirer and fan this is really pissing me off.As bad as Shehzad or Akmal being comparable to Tendulkar.
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The thread isn't even comparing the both. It is only "ASKING" if Kohli is headed to become the next Ponting.
 
Sachin136 said:
If AB has matched Sachin, Viv etc, then it is fair to say that in terms of skill Kohli isn't far behind Ponting in ODIs. Statistically Ponting isn't ahead of Kohli either.

That being said I think Kohli is a good distance behind Ponting even in ODIs. But that doesn't mean someone can't have the opinion that Kohli is ahead of Ponting.
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Kohli and AB performances have a huge difference in ODIs
 
Slog said:
Yes when he wins 3 WOrld Cups or pummels a team in one of the 3 finals like the phainty he gave you guys in 2003
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So Gambhir must be equal to ponting since he gave you guys a unforgettable phainty in the 2007 t 20 wc finals... :D
 
Slog said:
Yes when he wins 3 WOrld Cups or pummels a team in one of the 3 finals like the phainty he gave you guys in 2003
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What does winning a world cup have to do with anything? Sachin has only won 1 world cup but he is still regarded as a better ODI batsman than Ponting.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
The thread isn't even comparing the both. It is only "ASKING" if Kohli is headed to become the next Ponting.
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Tbh I was replying to street cricketer who said Kohli has already surpassed Ponting in ODIs. That set me off.

Apologies for tcalling the thread shameless. It's a perfectly valid thread [MENTION=139052]Acricketfan[/MENTION].
 
Slog said:
He's failed in 2 world cups largely
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Yes he has and he is young. For all we know he could be MOTS in the next 2. No one is saying he WILL/WONT. Question here is Can he? And I don't think it is that improbable to suggest Kohli, or even the likes of Smith/Williamson will go onto become the next Ponting.

Williamsom maybe not attitude wise but batting wise all 3 are attacking players in the mould of Ponting. They take on the opposition.
 
Slog said:
Tbh I was replying to street cricketer who said Kohli has already surpassed Ponting in ODIs. That set me off.

Apologies for tcalling the thread shameless. It's a perfectly valid thread [MENTION=139052]Acricketfan[/MENTION].
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That'd tick anyone off :)) You have fans in all quarters that over-hype players. Kohli as ODI player has some amazing stats but till he ticks off the ICC tournament from his checklist, greatness tag will elude him. So the question of comparison doesn't even arise.
 
Acricketfan said:
Well, i was talking about their attitude on the field. Not batsman ship. Kohli has a long way to go before being compared to Punter in that regard. But I believe he will be in the same league one day.
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I don't see any similarities in attitude either.

Kohli always looks worried and his gestures very rarely reveal he's calm. Plus lots of verbal abuse and BCMC with own team mates as well.

Ponting rarely/never reacted the way Kohli almost always does when a batsman hits his bowler for a four or six.

Ponting was very shrewd and aggressive yet calm.

Sachin136 said:
If averaging 49 in Australia, South Africa, England and New Zealand isn't good enough for you, then that's your problem.
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What's excellent here? He's not in the class of Root, Williamson, Rahane or Smith. I consider that excellent/best.
 
Acricketfan said:
They both don't have a never say die attitude.

They don't like to take any sh!t from the opposition.

I can really see India doing big things under him. Like being the first Asian captain to win test series in Australia and SA.
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India will definitely do better under him in tests away but winning in places like SA and Aus require more than just a good team. You can have the pacers, the batsman but it all has to fall together and often teams especially subcontinent teams it all goes awry when we head there. Be it injuries or dip in form of key players.

However he does inspire confidence of India giving a fight and not just bend over for a spanking.
 
Kohli doesn't choke in Australia like Ponting does in India. So Kohli>Ponting.
 
Hawkeye said:
I don't see any similarities in attitude either.

Kohli always looks worried and his gestures very rarely reveal he's calm. Plus lots of verbal abuse and BCMC with own team mates as well.

Ponting rarely/never reacted the way Kohli almost always does when a batsman hits his bowler for a four or six.

Ponting was very shrewd and aggressive yet calm.



What's excellent here? He's not in the class of Root, Williamson, Rahane or Smith. I consider that excellent/best.
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Root has probably just 1-2 centuries outside of England. Kohli on other hand has 6-7 of his 10 centuries outside of India/Asia.

I'm sure if the stats was other way around, you'd use that against Kohli :))
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Root has probably just 1-2 centuries outside of England. Kohli on other hand has 6-7 of his 10 centuries outside of India/Asia.

I'm sure if the stats was other way around, you'd use that against Kohli :))
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Huh? Root just toured UAE and was brilliant there. Handled our spinners and more importantly Yasir with much ease.

Everyone gets rolled over here and top bats like Williamson, Smith and Root have had success in the toughest place to tour for non Asian teams.

Of course, they're already great outside Asia.

Don't burn, Rahane is the better bat in Tests specially so it's not something to do with India. I'll just go with the better batsman, nothing personal.
 
Hawkeye said:
Huh? Root just toured UAE and was brilliant there. Handled our spinners and more importantly Yasir with much ease.

Everyone gets rolled over here and top bats like Williamson, Smith and Root have had success in the toughest place to tour for non Asian teams.

Of course, they're already great outside Asia.

Don't burn, Rahane is the better bat in Tests specially so it's not something to do with India. I'll just go with the better batsman, nothing personal.
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The only one burning is you. Fans like you think rating Dravid over Tendulkar or Rahane over Kohli will bother Indians. You rate Rahane better? Good for you, no one is stopping you. That doesn't make it a FACT. Just your opinion.

Kohli has poor stats only in WI (his first test series) and Eng. Root has poor stats in Aus, lets see how he does in SA.
 
Slog said:
How shameless and delusional can you be. This Kohli has already matched Ponting in ODIs ??? In your dreams mate.

Ponting has won 3 World Cups and starred in numerous. Kohli has largely failed in both World Cups he has failed
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Mate, I never said Kohli has surpassed Ponting. I said he has matched Ponting meaning he is roughly at the same level Ponting was at similar stages during his career. The guy has got 22 tons at just 27 years of age, has played numerous brilliant knocks chasing and is widely regarded as one of the best ODI players. Yes, he has failed to make a mark in world cups but I'm willing to give him time since he is just 27. People didn't brand ABD as a poor player when he choked in the world cups before (before this WC). I see both to be very similar in their approach in ODIs and anyway it's just my opinion. You're free to disagree on it.
 
Ponting was more good looking and he never dropped dollies like Kohli, excellent fielder. I have seen Kohli cussing and acting like a monkey but dropped easy catches and looked foolish
 
Cricfan4eva said:
The only one burning is you. Fans like you think rating Dravid over Tendulkar or Rahane over Kohli will bother Indians. You rate Rahane better? Good for you, no one is stopping you. That doesn't make it a FACT. Just your opinion.

Kohli has poor stats only in WI (his first test series) and Eng. Root has poor stats in Aus, lets see how he does in SA.
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Even Indians don't rate Kohli ahead of Rahane. You seem to be his die hard fan, so bringing the flawed logic of SRT/Dravid.

Rahane is that one crazy guy who has done better overseas than his own home conditions lol. Why ignoring the facts?

He's already being compared with Kane, Smith and Root. No expert brings Kohli when discussing the top young bats in Test cricket at the moment. I do like it that Kohli himself accepts his flaws in Test cricket and wants to fix them. Not sure why "Kohlinistas" have to go become defensive here.

Don't watch cricket on numbers, where Root and Rahane both are still better and have better stats.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Ponting was more good looking and he never dropped dollies like Kohli, excellent fielder. I have seen Kohli cussing and acting like a monkey but dropped easy catches and looked foolish
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You mean the guy wears a wig is good looking>? really? lol
 
Hawkeye said:
Even Indians don't rate Kohli ahead of Rahane. You seem to be his die hard fan, so bringing the flawed logic of SRT/Dravid.

Rahane is that one crazy guy who has done better overseas than his own home conditions lol. Why ignoring the facts?

He's already being compared with Kane, Smith and Root. No expert brings Kohli when discussing the top young bats in Test cricket at the moment. I do like it that Kohli himself accepts his flaws in Test cricket and wants to fix them. Not sure why "Kohlinistas" have to go become defensive here.

Don't watch cricket on numbers, where Root and Rahane both are still better and have better stats.
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^I don't have to dig up articles, they're there for you to see. Kohli's name features on most if not all of em which talk about future greats or prospects.

Calling me defensive and Kohlista wont get me riled up, try this with someone else.

Forget Kohli, likes of Root/Smith haven't succeeded everywhere. So yes none of them are complete batsman yet including Rahane, who scores everywhere but lacks consistency.
 
For some Pak fans Virat is better than Sachin(because you want to belittle sachin) but he is not anywhere close to Ricky ponting(because you want to belittle Virat)...

Some logic this and i am tired of this.... I'm out of this nonsense.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
^I don't have to dig up articles, they're there for you to see. Kohli's name features on most if not all of em which talk about future greats or prospects.

Calling me defensive and Kohlista wont get me riled up, try this with someone else.

Forget Kohli, likes of Root/Smith haven't succeeded everywhere. So yes none of them are complete batsman yet including Rahane, who scores everywhere but lacks consistency.
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Where have Root and Smith failed.

(For me fail is sub 30 average over atleast 4 innings because you have to be an absolute dud in those conditions or against those bowlers to not manage that. So it's a very relaxed standard and realistic one)
 
Raw deal said:
For some Pak fans Virat is better than Sachin(because you want to belittle sachin) but he is not anywhere close to Ricky ponting(because you want to belittle Virat)...

Some logic this and i am tired of this.... I'm out of this nonsense.
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Lol who are these Pak fans :)))

I would be highly surprised any Pak fan claiming Kohli is better than Sachin. Are you having memory loss?
 
Hawkeye said:
Huh? Root just toured UAE and was brilliant there. Handled our spinners and more importantly Yasir with much ease.

Everyone gets rolled over here and top bats like Williamson, Smith and Root have had success in the toughest place to tour for non Asian teams.

Of course, they're already great outside Asia.

Don't burn, Rahane is the better bat in Tests specially so it's not something to do with India. I'll just go with the better batsman, nothing personal.
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These are their records away from home in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England (in the image I cropped out some of the other players):

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Joe Root isn't even on the page because he has done terribly outside England.

Kohli has done better than all of them despite being an Asian player. So if some of those players do decently in UAE (which aren’t even the most difficult pitches to bat on in Asia), that outweighs Kohl’s achievements outside Asia?
 
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Slog said:
Where have Root and Smith failed.

(For me fail is sub 30 average over atleast 4 innings because you have to be an absolute dud in those conditions or against those bowlers to not manage that. So it's a very relaxed standard and realistic one)
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Root has failed in Australia and New Zealand. He hasn't played in South Africa at all and hasn't played more than 1 match in India. So he has barely done anything outside England, while Kohli has done very well.
 
Raw deal said:
For some Pak fans Virat is better than Sachin(because you want to belittle sachin) but he is not anywhere close to Ricky ponting(because you want to belittle Virat)...

Some logic this and i am tired of this.... I'm out of this nonsense.
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Never saw any Pak fan saying this, you are the first one.
 
The usual jealous brigade that cannot stomach the comparison using 3rd grade trolling.
 
Sachin136 said:
Root has failed in Australia and New Zealand. He hasn't played in South Africa at all and hasn't played more than 1 match in India. So he has barely done anything outside England, while Kohli has done very well.
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Root failed in Aus? I think he did well iirc but could be wrong. Can you share his stats. He was an absolute beast in UAE. He has already achieved sth in India which many England legends didn't which is playing an important role in a match to win a Test series in India

Smith was brilliant everywhere and in India and UAE when rest of his teammates played like headless chickens.
 
Sachin136 said:
These are their records away from home in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England (in the image I cropped out some of the other players):

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Joe Root isn't even on the page because he has done terribly outside England.

Kohli has done better than all of them despite being an Asian player. So if some of those players do decently in UAE (which aren’t even the most difficult pitches to bat on in Asia), that outweighs Kohl’s achievements outside Asia?
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Your reading of the game is terrible. I would have made an effort to point out the fallacies in your post but either you have no understanding of the game or are being purposely disingenuous going by the analysis you have put here so don't see a point.
 
Virat is one of the rare batsmen who has found success in most places he has played in. It is still early stages of his career, and he has stamped his authority everywhere bar England. In ODIs, he is up there with the greatest already. Don't know what more he has to do in order to justify the comparison.

A fixer who failed miserably in 3/4 countries getting compared to Akram and Asif is fine.. but Kohli being compared to Ponting becomes a shameless comparison. :facepalm:
 
Slog said:
Root failed in Aus? I think he did well iirc but could be wrong. Can you share his stats. He was an absolute beast in UAE. He has already achieved sth in India which many England legends didn't which is playing an important role in a match to win a Test series in India

Smith was brilliant everywhere and in India and UAE when rest of his teammates played like headless chickens.
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Root averages 27 in Australia with 1 fifty in 4 matches. He didn't play a match winning innings in India. IIRC he had a 70 odd innings in a drawn match. He also only played the last match of that series so he didn't play an important role in that series.

Smith has done well everywhere but he still wasn't that good in England. However what Kohli has done outside Asia is much greater than what Smith has done in Asia.
 
Slog said:
Your reading of the game is terrible. I would have made an effort to point out the fallacies in your post but either you have no understanding of the game or are being purposely disingenuous going by the analysis you have put here so don't see a point.
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I only posted their records away from home outside Asia. If you want to point out the fallacies then please do so. Otherwise feel free to hide behind the excuse that there are some fallacies but you don't want to point them out.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
^I don't have to dig up articles, they're there for you to see. Kohli's name features on most if not all of em which talk about future greats or prospects.

Calling me defensive and Kohlista wont get me riled up, try this with someone else.

Forget Kohli, likes of Root/Smith haven't succeeded everywhere. So yes none of them are complete batsman yet including Rahane, who scores everywhere but lacks consistency.
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I think you're a good poster, so let's agree to disagree. Matter of personal opinion.
 
Slog said:
Your reading of the game is terrible. I would have made an effort to point out the fallacies in your post but either you have no understanding of the game or are being purposely disingenuous going by the analysis you have put here so don't see a point.
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Nice counter-arguments, very informative. :thumbsup
 
#GreenRoars said:
Yes i am a biased person only in case of Kohli. Go and check other threads and see what i have said re Indian players like Kapil, Tendulkar, Zak, Sehwag, DHoni e.t.c .Even my over all favorite player from Asia is Dravid.
So your mind reading machine is not working properly bhai :)
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Then what is it with kohli? Hundred in wc 2015? :) or anything else
 
Sachin136 said:
Root averages 27 in Australia with 1 fifty in 4 matches. He didn't play a match winning innings in India. IIRC he had a 70 odd innings in a drawn match. He also only played the last match of that series so he didn't play an important role in that series.

Smith has done well everywhere but he still wasn't that good in England. However what Kohli has done outside Asia is much greater than what Smith has done in Asia.
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So Smith wasnt that good in England depsite averaging 43 but Kohli with an ATG average of 13 gets a free pass? Similarly Kohli follows up his ATG average of 13 in England with an average of 15 in West Indies but Smith who averages 100+ in those conditions doesnt get any credit for it. And Kohli's big scores on Aussie pancakes gets a lot of credit too where in the same series Smith was giving phainty after phainty but no credit for that either?

Come off it mate. Smith is a far superior test player than Kohli at this point.
 
#GreenRoars said:
Kohli next Tendulkar sir --> Failed
Kohli next Pointing --> Will fail sooner
Kohli next Sanga --> Advance fail
Kohli next Ashraful --> Close competition, bring it on.
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If thats the case then i think inzy must be compared with club level players
 
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