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Is Zafar Gohar the most crucial selection for the Sri Lanka series?

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I think so. He's been ignored for too long.

A proper spinner, probably the biggest turner of the ball in the country, and taking wickets for fun on placid tracks this season. He's also younger than Kashif Bhatti & Nauman Ali, so makes sense to select him as a long-term investment.

Also averaging 28 with the bat, so will strengthen the tail. I think his selection (or nonselection) could determine the fate of this series.
 
I don't think so. I would prefer Mohammad Mohsin or Shadab Khan or Mohammad Nawaz. Zafar Gohar's batting is not reliable at all.
 
Check the other thread.

Looks like he did quite poor in QeA. Will struggle on Pak pitches which are flat and batting friendly now.

So, no, don't over hype him. Thread can turn into the Abbas thread.

He might do well with that average in the 30s but he's not an automatic pick. Risky.
 
Hawkeye said:
Check the other thread.

Looks like he did quite poor in QeA. Will struggle on Pak pitches which are flat and batting friendly now.

So, no, don't over hype him. Thread can turn into the Abbas thread.

He might do well with that average in the 30s but he's not an automatic pick. Risky.
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Not if you actually followed the matches....
 
Abdullah719 said:
Not if you actually followed the matches....
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He's nowhere in the top bowlers and yes I didn't see him bowl. I can only go from what he produced statistically and that seems to match how he used to bowl when I last saw him.

He might have done decent when you were watching but this kind of over hyping like we typically do is not warranted.
 
Hawkeye said:
He's nowhere in the top bowlers and yes I didn't see him bowl. I can only go from what he produced statistically and that seems to match how he used to bowl when I last saw him.

He might have done decent when you were watching but this kind of over hyping like we typically do is not warranted.
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He's the 2nd highest wicket-taker.

Amongst spinners, he has been one of the guys with good performances. An average of 30 is good this season, very few have done better.

[table=class:grid][tr][td]Name[/td][td]Age[/td][td]Skill[/td][td]Team[/td][td]Mats[/td][td]Wkts[/td][td]BB[/td][td]Ave[/td][td]4wl[/td][td]5wl[/td][td]S. Rate[/td][td]Econ[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Nauman Ali[/td][td]33 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Northern[/td][td]9[/td][td]46[/td][td] 8-71[/td][td]23.04[/td][td]2[/td][td]5[/td][td]42.24[/td][td]3.27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zafar Gohar[/td][td]25 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Central Punjab[/td][td]10[/td][td]36[/td][td] 7-79[/td][td]30.36[/td][td]4[/td][td]1[/td][td]59.97[/td][td]3.04[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bilal Asif[/td][td]34 years[/td][td] RAO[/td][td]Central Punjab[/td][td]8[/td][td]27[/td][td] 4-33[/td][td]26.56[/td][td]3[/td][td]0[/td][td]50.96[/td][td]3.13[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Asghar[/td][td]21 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Balochistan[/td][td]8[/td][td]26[/td][td] 6-121[/td][td]35.46[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]57.38[/td][td]3.71[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sajid Khan[/td][td]26 years[/td][td] RAO[/td][td]Khyber Pakhtunkhwa[/td][td]6[/td][td]22[/td][td] 5-36[/td][td]26.73[/td][td]1[/td][td]1[/td][td]52.82[/td][td]3.04[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Irfan[/td][td]30 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Southern Punjab[/td][td]8[/td][td]22[/td][td] 5-131[/td][td]43.05[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]81.55[/td][td]3.17[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yasir Shah[/td][td]34 years[/td][td] RALB[/td][td]Balochistan[/td][td]5[/td][td]21[/td][td] 5-104[/td][td]39.52[/td][td]1[/td][td]1[/td][td]67.43[/td][td]3.52[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Kashif Bhatti[/td][td]33 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Sindh[/td][td]4[/td][td]14[/td][td] 4-108[/td][td]29.86[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]78[/td][td]2.3[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zahid Mahmood[/td][td]32 years[/td][td] RALB[/td][td]Southern Punjab[/td][td]8[/td][td]11[/td][td] 2-57[/td][td]89.55[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]128[/td][td]4.2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shadab Khan[/td][td]21 years[/td][td] RALB[/td][td]Northern[/td][td]2[/td][td]9[/td][td] 4-151[/td][td]28.22[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]49.22[/td][td]3.44[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hassan Khan[/td][td]21 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Sindh[/td][td]3[/td][td]8[/td][td] 2-37[/td][td]39.5[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]75.25[/td][td]3.15[/td][/tr][/table]


Out of this list, only Nauman and Sajid have done fairly better. Sajid has been playing in the latter part of the tournament when most of the players have been away for Aus tour, Emerging Cup, etc. Haven't seen much of him.

Nauman has been fairly impressive and he has won Northern some crunch games so he might be selected. But he's officially 33 and looks older than that, there's a lot more upside to Zafar who is also averaging around 30 with the bat this season plus he's much younger.

While we're on this topic, I don't know what the deal is with Bilal and tailenders... of his 27 wickets, around 17 are batsmen at #7 and lower.
 
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Don’t get your hopes up. Bhatti or Nauman are going to get a chance first with Misbah incharge.
 
Abdullah719 said:
He's the 2nd highest wicket-taker.

Amongst spinners, he has been one of the guys with good performances. An average of 30 is good this season, very few have done better.

[table=class:grid][tr][td]Name[/td][td]Age[/td][td]Skill[/td][td]Team[/td][td]Mats[/td][td]Wkts[/td][td]BB[/td][td]Ave[/td][td]4wl[/td][td]5wl[/td][td]S. Rate[/td][td]Econ[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Nauman Ali[/td][td]33 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Northern[/td][td]9[/td][td]46[/td][td] 8-71[/td][td]23.04[/td][td]2[/td][td]5[/td][td]42.24[/td][td]3.27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zafar Gohar[/td][td]25 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Central Punjab[/td][td]10[/td][td]36[/td][td] 7-79[/td][td]30.36[/td][td]4[/td][td]1[/td][td]59.97[/td][td]3.04[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bilal Asif[/td][td]34 years[/td][td] RAO[/td][td]Central Punjab[/td][td]8[/td][td]27[/td][td] 4-33[/td][td]26.56[/td][td]3[/td][td]0[/td][td]50.96[/td][td]3.13[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Asghar[/td][td]21 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Balochistan[/td][td]8[/td][td]26[/td][td] 6-121[/td][td]35.46[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]57.38[/td][td]3.71[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sajid Khan[/td][td]26 years[/td][td] RAO[/td][td]Khyber Pakhtunkhwa[/td][td]6[/td][td]22[/td][td] 5-36[/td][td]26.73[/td][td]1[/td][td]1[/td][td]52.82[/td][td]3.04[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Irfan[/td][td]30 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Southern Punjab[/td][td]8[/td][td]22[/td][td] 5-131[/td][td]43.05[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]81.55[/td][td]3.17[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yasir Shah[/td][td]34 years[/td][td] RALB[/td][td]Balochistan[/td][td]5[/td][td]21[/td][td] 5-104[/td][td]39.52[/td][td]1[/td][td]1[/td][td]67.43[/td][td]3.52[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Kashif Bhatti[/td][td]33 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Sindh[/td][td]4[/td][td]14[/td][td] 4-108[/td][td]29.86[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]78[/td][td]2.3[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zahid Mahmood[/td][td]32 years[/td][td] RALB[/td][td]Southern Punjab[/td][td]8[/td][td]11[/td][td] 2-57[/td][td]89.55[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]128[/td][td]4.2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shadab Khan[/td][td]21 years[/td][td] RALB[/td][td]Northern[/td][td]2[/td][td]9[/td][td] 4-151[/td][td]28.22[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]49.22[/td][td]3.44[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hassan Khan[/td][td]21 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Sindh[/td][td]3[/td][td]8[/td][td] 2-37[/td][td]39.5[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]75.25[/td][td]3.15[/td][/tr][/table]


Out of this list, only Nauman and Sajid have done fairly better. Sajid has been playing in the latter part of the tournament when most of the players have been away for Aus tour, Emerging Cup, etc. Haven't seen much of him.

Nauman has been fairly impressive and he has won Northern some crunch games so he might be selected. But he's officially 33 and looks older than that, there's a lot more upside to Zafar who is also averaging around 30 with the bat this season plus he's much younger.

While we're on this topic, I don't know what the deal is with Bilal and tailenders... of his 27 wickets, around 17 are batsmen at #7 and lower.
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No one has bowled better than Zafar. He outbowled Nauman on the same pitch and won his team the game. The reason that average is higher because Bilal has robbed Zafar of tailender wickets every time he opened up the middle order.
 
May be, but I think surprise package could be Sajid Khan, because SRL always bring 4-5 left handers and they play SLAO spin lot, lot at home. Yasir has secured his spot for sure therefore it's a question of 2 spinners or 3 spinners and who are the No. 2 & 3.

I would prefer PAK to play on hard, cracked wickets (but not much green, even Lakmal will show PAK top order glimpses of Aurora Borealis at free of cost, if Lankan's win the toss and insert PAK in - PAK pacers won't learn to use new ball or green tops in 2 weeks time), and play 3+2 or 4+1 combination, regardless of batting potential from that 5. If Yasir can hit a hundred in Australia, I guess it's easier to extract 100-120 from 5 bowlers including Abbas & Shaheen .... than extracting an all-rounder out of Shadab/Faheem. The key, and I repeat, the key for tail wagging is one set batsman at one end. But, I am sure wickets won't be like that and on a typical PAK wicket, 2.5 spinners are must.

I that regard, if it's 2 spinners, I'll take Sajid Khan over Gohar and play Haris as well - for his 25 overs of SLAO spin. Gohar is damn unlucky because the following series will also be against at least 5 lefti, and a very good line-up against SLAO spin.
 
He’s the only decent spin bowling prospect we have tbh, might not do great but he should start on December 10th
 
Abdullah719 said:
He's the 2nd highest wicket-taker.

Amongst spinners, he has been one of the guys with good performances. An average of 30 is good this season, very few have done better.

[table=class:grid][tr][td]Name[/td][td]Age[/td][td]Skill[/td][td]Team[/td][td]Mats[/td][td]Wkts[/td][td]BB[/td][td]Ave[/td][td]4wl[/td][td]5wl[/td][td]S. Rate[/td][td]Econ[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Nauman Ali[/td][td]33 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Northern[/td][td]9[/td][td]46[/td][td] 8-71[/td][td]23.04[/td][td]2[/td][td]5[/td][td]42.24[/td][td]3.27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zafar Gohar[/td][td]25 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Central Punjab[/td][td]10[/td][td]36[/td][td] 7-79[/td][td]30.36[/td][td]4[/td][td]1[/td][td]59.97[/td][td]3.04[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bilal Asif[/td][td]34 years[/td][td] RAO[/td][td]Central Punjab[/td][td]8[/td][td]27[/td][td] 4-33[/td][td]26.56[/td][td]3[/td][td]0[/td][td]50.96[/td][td]3.13[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Asghar[/td][td]21 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Balochistan[/td][td]8[/td][td]26[/td][td] 6-121[/td][td]35.46[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]57.38[/td][td]3.71[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sajid Khan[/td][td]26 years[/td][td] RAO[/td][td]Khyber Pakhtunkhwa[/td][td]6[/td][td]22[/td][td] 5-36[/td][td]26.73[/td][td]1[/td][td]1[/td][td]52.82[/td][td]3.04[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Irfan[/td][td]30 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Southern Punjab[/td][td]8[/td][td]22[/td][td] 5-131[/td][td]43.05[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]81.55[/td][td]3.17[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yasir Shah[/td][td]34 years[/td][td] RALB[/td][td]Balochistan[/td][td]5[/td][td]21[/td][td] 5-104[/td][td]39.52[/td][td]1[/td][td]1[/td][td]67.43[/td][td]3.52[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Kashif Bhatti[/td][td]33 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Sindh[/td][td]4[/td][td]14[/td][td] 4-108[/td][td]29.86[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]78[/td][td]2.3[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zahid Mahmood[/td][td]32 years[/td][td] RALB[/td][td]Southern Punjab[/td][td]8[/td][td]11[/td][td] 2-57[/td][td]89.55[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]128[/td][td]4.2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Shadab Khan[/td][td]21 years[/td][td] RALB[/td][td]Northern[/td][td]2[/td][td]9[/td][td] 4-151[/td][td]28.22[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]49.22[/td][td]3.44[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hassan Khan[/td][td]21 years[/td][td] LAO[/td][td]Sindh[/td][td]3[/td][td]8[/td][td] 2-37[/td][td]39.5[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]75.25[/td][td]3.15[/td][/tr][/table]


Out of this list, only Nauman and Sajid have done fairly better. Sajid has been playing in the latter part of the tournament when most of the players have been away for Aus tour, Emerging Cup, etc. Haven't seen much of him.

Nauman has been fairly impressive and he has won Northern some crunch games so he might be selected. But he's officially 33 and looks older than that, there's a lot more upside to Zafar who is also averaging around 30 with the bat this season plus he's much younger.

While we're on this topic, I don't know what the deal is with Bilal and tailenders... of his 27 wickets, around 17 are batsmen at #7 and lower.
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Thanks.

Seems like Zafar hasn't done that bad, but others like Sajid and Nauman are also in contention. We should go with the best one considering effectiveness against SL side.

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] has presented some good logic here and Gohar might not make it based on that.
 
Zafar Gohar is young (24) and he already has a decent amount of FC experience. He is accurate, gives good revs on the ball and extracts any spin if there is which is a big plus, he knows how to set a batsman up, he is fit and can be a decent no 8 batsman. Its high time to make him part of the test as well as LOI plans.

For Srl series, Sajid Khan with his off spin can also be a good option considering how well he has bowled and the amount of left handers in Srilankan squad.

Either ways, we need to move on from Bilal Asif who is decent but 34 year old now (Not the age to be just decent) and Pak has better options available.
 
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Pakistani wickets didn’t used to require 3 spinners like UAE wickets do.

I would pick three in the squad:

Zafar Gohar SLA.
Sajid Khan OB
Yasir Shah LB(G)

But we all know Misbah. He will pick Kashif Bhatti instead, and possibly even Zulfiqar Babar.

Wasim Khan needs to put Misbah on a Diminished Performance Plan.

And Article 1 needs to read: “You will pick 8 players in every starting eleven aged between 20 and 29.

Article 2 needs to read “Any player aged over 30 needs to be at the top of the domestic batting or bowling tables for runs scored or wickets taken, as well as average”.

Article 3 needs to read “Any player aged under 20 needs to have a domestic First Class batting average above 40 or bowling average below 30, and be in the top ten run scorers or wicket takers.”

Article 4 needs to read “Failure to adhere to these performance management minimum standards will lead to dismissal without compensation”.
 
I have always been skeptical of judging ppl on basis of their performance against Sri Lanka in test, with all due respect.

What i think is untenable is to select Yasir Shah. Of course Misbah will select him, given his record at home, but he cant be the first choice spinner when we are in England. He averages over 40 there, barring the Lord's test.
 
Junaids said:
Pakistani wickets didn’t used to require 3 spinners like UAE wickets do.

I would pick three in the squad:

Zafar Gohar SLA.
Sajid Khan OB
Yasir Shah LB(G)

But we all know Misbah. He will pick Kashif Bhatti instead, and possibly even Zulfiqar Babar.

Wasim Khan needs to put Misbah on a Diminished Performance Plan.

And Article 1 needs to read: “You will pick 8 players in every starting eleven aged between 20 and 29.

Article 2 needs to read “Any player aged over 30 needs to be at the top of the domestic batting or bowling tables for runs scored or wickets taken, as well as average”.

Article 3 needs to read “Any player aged under 20 needs to have a domestic First Class batting average above 40 or bowling average below 30, and be in the top ten run scorers or wicket takers.”

Article 4 needs to read “Failure to adhere to these performance management minimum standards will lead to dismissal without compensation”.
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For this PCB needs to have age test for every cricketer that plays first class. Otherwise we would see a lot of Iftis coming through.
 
When I saw Zafar U19 level I thought he was going to be a real asset but I haven't been impressed with his development. He doesn't have the drop at this higher level and I am not sure at how much revs he puts on the ball. I hope he proves me wrong and becomes an asset for the team
 
Mercurial said:
I don't think so. I would prefer Mohammad Mohsin or Shadab Khan or Mohammad Nawaz. Zafar Gohar's batting is not reliable at all.
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Not sure about tests but I remember in the 2014 U19 WC he played a really good inning to beat SA in the semi final from no where.
 
This is the kind of over hyping that PPers do. Then the guy steps into international cricket and becomes a joke.

There are two other spinners who have done better and one is even off break which will be handy against the SL batters.

But no.

Our dear PPers have their favorites and they'll hype them to no ends.

The most crucial selection? Yeah. Right. When will people learn?

He can be among the top 3 possibilities, probably at 2 or 3. But no we'll hype our favorites and make them the most crucial selection.
 
NoBallZombie said:
For this PCB needs to have age test for every cricketer that plays first class. Otherwise we would see a lot of Iftis coming through.
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PCB knows the genuine age of almost every player; for rest it can be easily figured out. They deliberately have decided to over look the issue - it’s choice, not system limitation. Faking age is not a big problem actually- not factoring that into scouting is the issue.

This is one problem that gradually is increasing in Pakistan. Faking 1-2 years is very common in South Asia - it’s less in Srilanka because of more educated, we’ll-off people, small population size and concentrated population (75% or their people lives within 100K of Colombo) while Afghans do day light robbery for opposite reason.

But, it has improved considerably in IND, BD while probably deteriorated in PAK from early days of cricket. The reason in PAK is not that suddenly players are faking age more, rather one has to understand the reason - otherwise it won’t be solved. Till 1980s, most of the PAK cricketers used to come from cities, from middle to upper class families, educated parents and with proper schooling system - therefore may be 1-2 years in it but from Kardar, Hanif, Fazal to Burki, Mazeed, Sadiq, Mushtaq, Asif, Imran Wasim .... had genuine or almost genuine age. Lots of recent players are coming these days from “humble” background without much of a proper childhood - these players struggle their way to up and to keep up with their batch, they start to reduce age. Most of them might not even had gone to high school, means there is no authentic record either - they just adjust age accordingly.

It’s not a big deal at all - Taribo West was 29 when he registered in Seria A as 17 years old!!!!! But, Inter forced him out of the squad by the age of 23...... PCB has to do this - scout & do career plan on known actual age, not certificate.
 
Pete Rose said:
I have always been skeptical of judging ppl on basis of their performance against Sri Lanka in test, with all due respect.

What i think is untenable is to select Yasir Shah. Of course Misbah will select him, given his record at home, but he cant be the first choice spinner when we are in England. He averages over 40 there, barring the Lord's test.
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He has to play In Asia. He ripped it up Vs Nz last year. ( Same goes with Haris, he should be ahead of Azhar and Asad at home)

Abroad Yasir can't play unless we find a Ben stokes type to bat at 6 or 7 ( with Rizwan). Our spinner overseas in the first innings needs to be one that bowls the one over before lunch, a couple before tea, and a few more in the last session and to tailenders. Bulk of the bowling needs to be done by main 3 quicks and a bowling allrounder in the first innings.
 
Sajid and zafar are too young for misbah

Doubt we will see any of them in the squad let alone 11.
 
Abdullah said:
He has to play In Asia. He ripped it up Vs Nz last year. ( Same goes with Haris, he should be ahead of Azhar and Asad at home)

Abroad Yasir can't play unless we find a Ben stokes type to bat at 6 or 7 ( with Rizwan). Our spinner overseas in the first innings needs to be one that bowls the one over before lunch, a couple before tea, and a few more in the last session and to tailenders. Bulk of the bowling needs to be done by main 3 quicks and a bowling allrounder in the first innings.
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You have five (four?) tests at home before you face england in summer. I applaud your optimism if you think we have plug and play cricketers who will simply show up and perform in England if they had not part to play in these tests. Pakistan should look to play the same 11 in tests at home that it wants in England. All this fankari of Haris at home and xyz away is not a luxury we can afford.
 
He is an important selection. We need attacking options and Zafar provides that.

Please don't pick Bilal Asif.
 
His domestic performances have merited selection and a test debut.

Therefore he will not be selected
 
I have been advocating for Zafar for so long. His bowling is really good and his batting is very good for #8. I really hope Misbah selects him.
 
Hawkeye said:
He's nowhere in the top bowlers and yes I didn't see him bowl. I can only go from what he produced statistically and that seems to match how he used to bowl when I last saw him.

He might have done decent when you were watching but this kind of over hyping like we typically do is not warranted.
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2nd highest wicket taker = nowhere in the top bowlers ?
 
HGhazanfar said:
Lol, u do know this is a test series not a T20.
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He averages 30 with the ball this FC season, while there are few who are averaging better. I would prefer Sajid Khan, an off spinner, who is young as well compared to Nouman Ali.
 
saw sajid khan this round ...dont seem any thing to impress me..we are just doomed...
 
I hope Zafar is selected and fans give him the leeway if he does not perform upto expectations. After all it will be his debut series.
 
Pete Rose said:
You have five (four?) tests at home before you face england in summer. I applaud your optimism if you think we have plug and play cricketers who will simply show up and perform in England if they had not part to play in these tests. Pakistan should look to play the same 11 in tests at home that it wants in England. All this fankari of Haris at home and xyz away is not a luxury we can afford.
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No haris shoud still be in the 11 home and away. You can't drop a guy who has been one of your best batters after 1 bad test.

Shadab should play at home as 2nd 3rd spinner in place of iftikhar.

You can not pick exactly the same 11 home and away. We are not Aus of the 2000s lol

So thes guys will play
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Some of you really don't follow the QeA do you.
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The QEA this year is an interesting challenge for selectors. On the bowling side it is really highlighting how easy our medium pacers have had it over the last 5 years or so. On the batting side it is inevitable that until khurrum mansion, Farhat, kamran, Salman Butt retire they will keep topping the run charts. In the medium terms we should find good spinners, but good pacers will take a year or two of this new structure
 
Pete Rose said:
You have five (four?) tests at home before you face england in summer. I applaud your optimism if you think we have plug and play cricketers who will simply show up and perform in England if they had not part to play in these tests. Pakistan should look to play the same 11 in tests at home that it wants in England. All this fankari of Haris at home and xyz away is not a luxury we can afford.
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There's an easy solution to this. Just play zafar and Yasir in Asia and play only Zafar in England. That way the youngster is not completely green when he plays in England and Pakistan have probably the 2 best spinners at their disposal for asian conditions. You can't play the same team both in Asia and in SENA anyway. Pakistan need the 2nd spinner in Asia.
 
lack of spinners for us is alarming...yasir will be guaranteed for next ten years and no body is pushing him at all
 
Omer2002 said:
lack of spinners for us is alarming...yasir will be guaranteed for next ten years and no body is pushing him at all
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Exactly. People should not criticize the selectors just for the sake of it. The lack of options is something to be noted. When was the last time you heard about an exciting spin prospect from Pakistan? Shadab Khan can still become a good bowler though. Needs to play a lot of first class for that.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
There's an easy solution to this. Just play zafar and Yasir in Asia and play only Zafar in England. That way the youngster is not completely green when he plays in England and Pakistan have probably the 2 best spinners at their disposal for asian conditions. You can't play the same team both in Asia and in SENA anyway. Pakistan need the 2nd spinner in Asia.
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Personally feel that the Extra pacer abroad and the extra spinner at home should be an all rounder. That’s too big a risk for Misbah to take given that the we need some points on the board badly.
If it were up to me I would play shadab in all home games, along with Yasir and one more spinner, and should have Faheem Ashraf (if he is fit) playing in the home test as well. If things go as hoped at home after four tests you will have a viable main spin option other than Yasir and depending on pitch conditions in England you can even afford to bench your main spinner if Shadab can repay the faith.
 
Forward Defensive Push said:
Exactly. People should not criticize the selectors just for the sake of it. The lack of options is something to be noted. When was the last time you heard about an exciting spin prospect from Pakistan? Shadab Khan can still become a good bowler though. Needs to play a lot of first class for that.
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Have you been looking at the charts, it’s full of spin prospects

Nauman,sajid,Asghar and gohar who looks wanted at the minute
Umer Khan was the best spinner at the psl

In leg spin usama mir recently went to the Caribbean
And we have qadir who was in the recent t20 squad and perhaps we were gullible not to use in the t20is

And then there’s zahid mahmood on the horizon too

Mushtaq Ahmed needs to groom a successor to yasir especially on overseas conditions which is where mushy played a lot of cricket
 
chacha kashmiri said:
Have you been looking at the charts, it’s full of spin prospects

Nauman,sajid,Asghar and gohar who looks wanted at the minute
Umer Khan was the best spinner at the psl

In leg spin usama mir recently went to the Caribbean
And we have qadir who was in the recent t20 squad and perhaps we were gullible not to use in the t20is

And then there’s zahid mahmood on the horizon too

Mushtaq Ahmed needs to groom a successor to yasir especially on overseas conditions which is where mushy played a lot of cricket
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Yes but we are referring to international material here..obviously every team plays with a spinner and some have done well. Its a no brainer that Gohar or Nauman will get a chance next week but lets see how they fare at international level
 
Omer2002 said:
Yes but we are referring to international material here..obviously every team plays with a spinner and some have done well. Its a no brainer that Gohar or Nauman will get a chance next week but lets see how they fare at international level
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Gohars already proved himself at u19 level, to me his more a batsmen than a bowler but time will tell especially if he puts his mind to it
Nauman is streets ahead of everyone else in domestic and deserves his shot, he could be our new Arshad Khan

In the emergent Asian trophy we had both umer khan and saif badar doing well

We do need a bowling spinner more than an all rounder
Mohammad asghar has been on tours and not really tried
Raza hasan should be given another chance
And Mohammed irfan has impressed on a tours

There’s a plethora of options and i think the two you mentioned will be given a chance although only gohar has really been developed in the system the same way the likes of Naseem have
 
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Nauman Ali looks more threatening and ready to go as a specialist spinner against Srilanka. He and Yasir Shah will be a good combination. Zafar Gohars time will come, but at the moment Nauman Ali is far superior than any other spinner.
 
PAF said:
Nauman Ali looks more threatening and ready to go as a specialist spinner against Srilanka. He and Yasir Shah will be a good combination. Zafar Gohars time will come, but at the moment Nauman Ali is far superior than any other spinner.
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No point investing in aa 33 year old, we've already seen it's not a long-term solution with Zulfiqar Babar & Bilal Asif's selections.

Zafar's time is now.
 
Hawkeye said:
He's nowhere in the top bowlers and yes I didn't see him bowl. I can only go from what he produced statistically and that seems to match how he used to bowl when I last saw him.

He might have done decent when you were watching but this kind of over hyping like we typically do is not warranted.
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Second on the list and "he's nowhere in the top bowlers" :))
 
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