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One reformed match fixer appears to be enough for some of the former stars of Australian cricket, who have urged Pakistan to resist the temptation to recall former captain Salman Butt.

Michael Hussey and Ryan Harris say any selection of Butt would over-stepping the mark as the drums start to beat for the 32-year-old to find his way back to top-tier cricket.

Butt was convicted of match-fixing and finished his five-year ban in September last year. Since then he has savaged bowlers in Pakistani domestic cricket, most recently returning a pair of centuries in this week's Quaid-e-Azam Trophy final.

He ended with a tournament aggregate of 741 runs, including four centuries. They are the kind of numbers that would have Pakistan selectors salivating given their surrender against Australia in the first innings of the opening Test at the Gabba.

But Harris and Hussey are only lukewarm on the inclusion of fast bowler Mohammad Amir, who has bowled well in a beaten side in Brisbane. Amir was just 17 when he was convicted alongside Butt and Mohammad Asif for bowling deliberate no-balls on a tour of England.

When it came to Butt, who was captain at the time, both ruled a line through the idea, no matter how desperate Mickey Arthur is to bolster his batting stocks.

"I'm not a big fan of it," Harris told Fox Sports.

"I know Mohammad Amir is playing here ... I'm 50-50 on that. I obviously don't think he should be here, but he was 17 years old ... whether that was an excuse I'm still trying to work that out myself.

"But Salman Butt, the captain who told his players to go out and cheat, there's no room for that in the game. I'm not sure how the opposition players would take playing against him for one, but definitely not.

"I know he's done the crime, done the time. I still think that was a pretty lenient time, five years."

Hussey backed the hardline stance, saying Butt had no place back in the Test arena.

"It doesn't sit well with me," Hussey said.

"Some would argue he has done his time and been allowed back in, much like Mohammad Amir.

"But you've got to remember Amir was a 17-year-old kid being directed by Salman Butt to do the wrong thing. I have a bit more sympathy for Amir.

"But Salman Butt, it doesn't sit well to have him back in international cricket."

Butt's last Test was in August 2010 against England at Lords. He played 33 Tests before his suspension, averaging 30.46, with three centuries and 10 half-centuries.

"I hope the bad days are over," Butt said in Pakistan after the Trophy final. "I have gone through difficult times, but my wife, my family and friends supported me.

"I have knocked the door (of international cricket) very hard and hope this will pave my way for return to (the) Pakistan team. I have the capacity, but that is something the selectors have to tell and decide."

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...-match-fixer-salman-butt-20161217-gtda3i.html
 
Agreed. Hopefully others join in and pile the pressure on PCB to not select Butt.
 
I agree

The only injustice with Butt and Asif has been that they got the same sentences as Amir

Should have been atleast ten years
 
Correct.

It's mostly because he isn't a good enough cricketer skill wise too. All failures outside Asia.
 
Even though I am against his re-entry into international cricket, but whenever I listen to any of his interviews on TV channels or as a cricket pundit recently, I feel that the guy talks a lot of sense and seems to truly regret his involvement in the spot fixing. Unlike Asif, who I feel is not that remorseful ( and to an extent, I even feel the same about Amir), Salman Butt seems genuinely remorseful about his actions. He also doesn't pass comments that stick his foot in his mouth. I am not advocating that he returns, but I truly have sympathy for him.

Its a shame. He could have been such a bright star in international cricket go involved in this. As a captain and an opener, he could have been one of your best.

If he doesn't get back into cricket, I am confident he would be able to make a good living as a cricket pundit (at least I hope so, because most of your ex cricketers turned pundits spout rubbish). I also hope he helps ICC fight against corruption and has an impact on the sport, even though he might not make it as a great international cricketer.
 
repeat offender

though 7 would have been fine

it doesnt make sense

the sentences were:

Amir : 5 + 0
Asif: 5 + 2
Butt= 5 + 5

I think the severity of punishment was was reflected in their prison sentence
 
I think the severity of punishment was was reflected in their prison sentence

no but i also remember the extra 2 yr suspended and 5 yr suspended for asif and butt which would not be enforced if they showed good behavior - whatever that meant
 
repeat offender

though 7 would have been fine

it doesnt make sense

the sentences were:

Amir : 5 + 0
Asif: 5 + 2
Butt= 5 + 5

His guilt was the least and there was no evidence found of him getting paid for those no balls
 
Completely agree with Mr cricket, Salman Butt should never represent Pakistan again, his actions can never be condoned, he was the ring leader of the spot fixing saga and more importantly he never acknowledged the grave crime that he committed and would be sending a very very bad signal to the kids in Pakistan.

More than his batting skills, i feel pakistan really lost a guy who was a very good captain and would have reinvented their playing style if not for his greed. Misbah and Azhar don't have an iota of captaincy skills and the guys who will suffer the most are the poor bowlers.
 
Mr cricket has a point but he's served his time so if he earns selection well just have to get on with it.
 
Don't agree at all.

Both Butt and Asif deserves a call.They were punished and no need to mention about their sin now.I am sure they won't commit the same crime.And it won't send any wrong message either if they are selected.Rather it will send a wrong message if they are not selected despite good performances.People will think that a criminal won't get a 2nd chance even if he serve his due punishment.Is it logical,human and authentic to do that?
 
Pretty much, agree with that as much as I despise him


I have forgiven him but ideally he won't be selected but if he performs in domestic cricket, than he will earn his place so will just have to get on with it.
 
Served his time, if he performs well enough then he deserves to be recalled as much as anyone else.
 
repeat offender

though 7 would have been fine

it doesnt make sense

the sentences were:

Amir : 5 + 0
Asif: 5 + 2
Butt= 5 + 5

icc were silly, should have enforced parts of the suspended aentence to the point at which eqyated to trhhe time these guys didnt admit their guilt
 
repeat offender

though 7 would have been fine

it doesnt make sense

the sentences were:

Amir : 5 + 0
Asif: 5 + 2
Butt= 5 + 5

Stop hating on players and coming up with useless things to make them look bad. Asif was the least involved in this incident and shouldn't have received same level of punishment. Double standards for amir doesn't make sense.
 
They should just mind their own business and stop judging them since they got their punishments. 6 years away from cricket is a very long time. Double standards for Amir and discrimating others based on age. Very fair!
 
Agreed. Hopefully others join in and pile the pressure on PCB to not select Butt.

I agree

The only injustice with Butt and Asif has been that they got the same sentences as Amir

Should have been atleast ten years


Completely agree with Mr cricket, Salman Butt should never represent Pakistan again, his actions can never be condoned, he was the ring leader of the spot fixing saga and more importantly he never acknowledged the grave crime that he committed and would be sending a very very bad signal to the kids in Pakistan.

More than his batting skills, i feel pakistan really lost a guy who was a very good captain and would have reinvented their playing style if not for his greed. Misbah and Azhar don't have an iota of captaincy skills and the guys who will suffer the most are the poor bowlers.

Why?

He served his time in prison as she should have and is time to move on from that incident.

You people behave as if you have done nothing in your wrong life - lets face it, who are we to judge him?

He is performing in domestics which shows he is serious about returning to the national team and is taking his batting seriously.

Merit wise - I would rather play Butt over Azhar in ODI's and Butt over Aslam in Tests.
 
Why?

He served his time in prison as she should have and is time to move on from that incident.

You people behave as if you have done nothing in your wrong life - lets face it, who are we to judge him?

He is performing in domestics which shows he is serious about returning to the national team and is taking his batting seriously.

Merit wise - I would rather play Butt over Azhar in ODI's and Butt over Aslam in Tests.

yeah they keep saying the same exact thing for asif and butt but coming up with excuses for poor amir. It's time we move on from double standards and accept all or none
 
Whatever your personal moral position on the matter, I think there are good cricketing reasons not to select him. He had plenty of opportunities for Pakistan and his performances were underwhelming.

I really hope the selectors don't go back to the likes of Butt, Hafeez and Kamran Akmal. None were consistent when they were given ample chances and in fact struck me as being very slow learners. They are all in the mid 30s as well. I think it would advisable to invest in younger players.
 
Whatever your personal moral position on the matter, I think there are good cricketing reasons not to select him. He had plenty of opportunities for Pakistan and his performances were underwhelming.

I really hope the selectors don't go back to the likes of Butt, Hafeez and Kamran Akmal. None were consistent when they were given ample chances and in fact struck me as being very slow learners. They are all in the mid 30s as well. I think it would advisable to invest in younger players.

He has been amongst the top run scorers in the QEA trophy and just recently scored a century in the final for WAPDA to win his team their first trophy.
 
Wouldn't understand the point in dropping Sami aslam for salman butt

Azhar Ali takes salman butts spot in Odis and tests and rightfully so really
 
Who cares what Hussey says? He's history. Salman Butt and Asif are terrific players. Their punishment is over and there's no justification for denying them their rightful place in our team. Those acting holier than thou should get a life. Cricket is about cut throat competition and winning it's not meant for preaching morals and grooming saints.
 
If he has done his time and is really remorseful (how do you decide that?), he should be in consideration.
 
He has been amongst the top run scorers in the QEA trophy and just recently scored a century in the final for WAPDA to win his team their first trophy.

I was referring to his international record. He averaged 30 from 33 Test matches. At some point you need to move on - he, Akmal and Hafeez have had plenty of chances and frankly were not good enough.

I am aware that he has scored heavily in domestic cricket but that is not always an indicator that someone will be successful at Test level.
 
If you already have one convicted criminal in team then I don't see why not have 3 convicted criminals as long as they make it in team based on performance.
 
no but i also remember the extra 2 yr suspended and 5 yr suspended for asif and butt which would not be enforced if they showed good behavior - whatever that meant
The ICC was explicit what it meant: it was suspended if they did not reoffend and if they completed a rehab program.

It was also explicit that Amir avoided an extra five years - because like Butt but not Asif he took money - on the basis that he was 18. Which now appears to be creative accounting too.
 
I agree

The only injustice with Butt and Asif has been that they got the same sentences as Amir

Should have been atleast ten years

The thing is Butt was Suppose to banned for 10 years and Asif was banned for 7 years. I never understood why there bans we're shortened to 5 years.
 
I hope fans realize that it was a *sting* operation and would may have not taken place if they were not targeted.

Not defending their actions but cut them all some slack. This is their bread and butter.

Guys saying they don't come back to international Cricket again have probably never made the slightest of a mistake in their entire lives.

If they deserve a comeback based on their performance, there shouldn't be any stopping them getting back in the team.
 
Butt should have been banned for life but he wasn't unfortunately but on the other hand it is true he has served his time in the little ban he did have and is now legitimately knocking on the doors.

I say come on back.
 
Nobody mentioning the elephant in the room?

Of course Hussey feels this way, just like Broad and Swann.

One of his greatest achievements was winning the 2009-10 Sydney Test.

But in the News of the World video, Mazhar Majeed confessed to fixing that result, but not with Asif or Butt. (Amir was out injured).

So of course Hussey resents Pakistani fixing. It's shadow hangs over one of his finest moments.

This is why in countries with British-based legal systems we don't confuse Victim Impact Statements with fair sentencing. They are related but different processes.
 
no but i also remember the extra 2 yr suspended and 5 yr suspended for asif and butt which would not be enforced if they showed good behavior - whatever that meant

The thing is Butt was Suppose to banned for 10 years and Asif was banned for 7 years. I never understood why there bans we're shortened to 5 years.
No, all three had five year playing bans from the outset.

The additional time was suspended (inactive) sentences, to be activated only if they reoffended. That is cricket's insurance policy with them.
 
Didnt hussey play for Chennai super kings.

Pakistan fans need to get their heads out of the sand and look at the bigger picture, it doesn't matter what a non Pakistani is commenting on rather what impact it has on Pakistan cricket in long run and what do you expect from people who represent Pakistan ! (ironically in cricket as well as politics)

These people set Pakistan cricket back 10 years and it is not entirely certain that we will ever recover from it. Representing Pakistan is a privilege not a right. Butt was the ring leader and captain, as such he has in my opinion has lost all privileges to represent his country. He has a right to play cricket, earn a living from it as he has served his punishment, just not at the level where he is representing Pakistan. There is ample precedence of this in through concept of good Citizenship and representing your country.

I would prefer that neither of the 3 play, however The case of Mohammad Amir is slightly different, his age and him following the 'superior-orders' does potentially give him some lee-way, as per current international law "defense of superior orders was no longer considered enough to escape punishment; but merely enough to lessen punishment."
M Asif is somewhere in middle between the two as age was not a factor.

One thing is for sure, if butt represents Pakistan, i will stop following pakistan cricket as i cant support the team with him present (Support by association).

From Wikipedia. (Defense of superior-order)
"Superior-order " means "only following orders", literally "an order is an order"), is a plea in a court of law that a person—whether a member of the military, law enforcement, a firefighting force, or the civilian population—not be held guilty for actions which were ordered by a superior officer or an official. WIKI.
 
Why?

He served his time in prison as she should have and is time to move on from that incident.

You people behave as if you have done nothing in your wrong life - lets face it, who are we to judge him?

He is performing in domestics which shows he is serious about returning to the national team and is taking his batting seriously.

Merit wise - I would rather play Butt over Azhar in ODI's and Butt over Aslam in Tests.

You dont move on from betraying your country ! Who are we to judge him ? He is representing my country ! It doesnt matter how he is performing.
 
If Amir can return then so can Butt. Why the double standards?
 
Sometime I wonder at how much some Pakistani fans are willing to accept from their national representatives.

As Captain he subverted a young talent who was regarded as a potential ATG and took 5 invaluable, irreplaceable years - if not more- of his career, but sure - Butt has served his time and is batting well so let him play.

As Captain (Captain!) he was convicted and jailed of crimes that should make one's head hand in shame, but sure - Butt has served his time and is batting well so let him play.

As Captain he ******** on the Pakistani national flag, but sure - Butt has served his time and is batting well so let him play.

He kept denying his guilt right until it became convenient to accept it, a breathtakingly cynical move, but sure - Butt has served his time and is batting well so let him play.

For shame. No wonder you guys get the political and sporting leaders you deserve.
 
Pakistan fans need to get their heads out of the sand and look at the bigger picture, it doesn't matter what a non Pakistani is commenting on rather what impact it has on Pakistan cricket in long run and what do you expect from people who represent Pakistan ! (ironically in cricket as well as politics)

These people set Pakistan cricket back 10 years and it is not entirely certain that we will ever recover from it. Representing Pakistan is a privilege not a right. Butt was the ring leader and captain, as such he has in my opinion has lost all privileges to represent his country. He has a right to play cricket, earn a living from it as he has served his punishment, just not at the level where he is representing Pakistan. There is ample precedence of this in through concept of good Citizenship and representing your country.

I would prefer that neither of the 3 play, however The case of Mohammad Amir is slightly different, his age and him following the 'superior-orders' does potentially give him some lee-way, as per current international law "defense of superior orders was no longer considered enough to escape punishment; but merely enough to lessen punishment."
M Asif is somewhere in middle between the two as age was not a factor.

One thing is for sure, if butt represents Pakistan, i will stop following pakistan cricket as i cant support the team with him present (Support by association).

From Wikipedia. (Defense of superior-order)
"Superior-order " means "only following orders", literally "an order is an order"), is a plea in a court of law that a person—whether a member of the military, law enforcement, a firefighting force, or the civilian population—not be held guilty for actions which were ordered by a superior officer or an official. WIKI.

I agree with what you're saying.

But hussey himself isn't squeaky clean, he was part of a team that had to be disbanded.
 
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