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"It's painful to watch Pakistan being thrashed by India" : Imran Khan

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As a sportsman I know winning & losing are part of the game but it's painful to watch Pak being thrashed by India without putting up a fight</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/871430241368932352">June 4, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unless Pak cricket structure is totally revamped/reformed, despite an abundance of talent the gap between Pak & India will keep increasing</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/871431273344114692">June 4, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pak cricket cannot be fixed if the Chairman of the PCB is not appointed on professional merit.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/871432256325263360">June 4, 2017</a></blockquote>
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When Imran was around, he didn't bother with selection committees and chairmen. Plucked from domestics whomever he thought could win him games.

Now that task is a "process." Performed by the likes of Iqbal Qasim, Haroon Rashid and Inzamam under the patronage of Shehryar - a dream team of talent spotters (no offense [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] :))

Pakistan may not have tremendous talent but they still can do much better than their performance against India showed today. They just don't have the right people in the right places on the bus.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
When Imran was around, he didn't bother with selection committees and chairmen. Plucked from domestics whomever he thought could win him games.

Now that task is a "process." Performed by the likes of Iqbal Qasim, Haroon Rashid and Inzamam under the patronage of Shehryar - a dream team of talent spotters (no offense [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] :))

Pakistan may not have tremendous talent but they still can do much better than their performance against India showed today. They just don't have the right people in the right places on the bus.
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The whole system is rotten to it's core.


In Imran's time We had a slightly better system than today wrt those times.


County Cricket helped us massively too.


Imran has the Eye and He was daring aswell as honest.


Our Cricket will only improve if our National institutes improve othetwise we would never be competitive and will never be consistent especially in Shorter formats.
 
Trust IK saab to seize the opportunity and score some political points.
 
Not trolling IK but i am waiting for the the "Former greats criticize...." healdines
 
Pak Cricket can not be fixed overnight when the rot is so deeply settled in. Even if the structure is revamped it will take years for us to see any results. We are stuck with this crap side for the next five years at least. At best, some Akmal will make a return.
 
Imran's tweet may have political motives but he sure is right - the system does need an overhaul. How many defeats from India, how many thrashings from the world and how much more does our rank have to fall for us to realize that we have become a horrible team in limited overs cricket - even Bangladesh has improved over the last few years and become a world beater: PCB should be ashamed of themselves.

I would assume the current management has been doing atleast some work but this system of appointment of PCB Chief by a corrupt country leader needs to be done over with. It is exactly due to this reason we had Ijaz Butt as the chairman - that guy was the worst thing that happened to Pak cricket (under his tenure the Srilankan team was attacked and also the spot fixing case occurred).
 
Make this man prime minister it will be the best thing for our cricket kick Sethi And Co out.
As fans it's painful but as a former captain that used to dominate India how will he be feeling right now watching these things play for there country no pride no skill set and most of them waited a year to show there worst performances. We won't play top level cricket in a few years in Test matches a Misbah and Younis have left what's left
Rallo Katte brigade
 
Atleast he cares about the country unlike corrupt sharif who only cares about being as rich as he can so he can rob the nation even more.
 
He's right, we can keep hiring and firing coaches and selectors but we have a domestic system inadequate in producing international ready talent.

Unlike Imran's era, English county cricket is no longer a finishing school.

Pakistan risk going the way of Sri Lanka and West Indies - two other teams who had Boards that coasted on the back of a golden generation of individuals, but never professionalised their grassroots and domestic structure to sustain that success.
 
Here in a sense is my opinion of IK:

The easiest thing is to say things like ' we need a complete revamp'. It takes exceptional vision, ability and knowhow to actually know what to change and how to best bring it about. From all I've ever seen of post retirement Imran, he has never struck me as someone who is particularly smart, self-aware, or even logical.
 
I have already explained in a thread that what's the problem in Pakistani system and its not just PCB.

As for Imran,He only watches Pak vs Ind matches and has no interest in cricket right now and knows nothing about how things work in Pakistan now
 
People say he's not good at politics but he's pretty sneaky here is old Imran...first tugging at the heart strings of Pakistani fans by telling everyone how 'painful' it is to lose to India. Then he spouts on about domestic structure as if he gives two hoots about lower levels of cricket before finally unleashing his attack on Sharyar/Sethi which is basically what he wanted to say at the very beginning.
 
Forget this domestic structure crap talk

We keep on selecting pathetic players like Hafeez, Shehzad, Wahab, Azhar and Malik. I'm not saying youngsters will do better than them but there scope for improvement. These players have played for Pakistan for many years and still playing mediocre, at the same level they started.
 
It's painful to him because he doesn't watch much cricket. But regular Pakistani fans knew that there was no chance on earth that Pak would be beating India on a dead phatta track.

Hell Pak even would lose to small teams like Bangla, Lanka these days. It's been like this for years now.
 
I bet, and I am being serious as hell here, Imran Khan; if he came out of retirement would probably walk into this bunch of mediocrity with his eyes closed - even at his age !!

We have fallen some distance to where we were in cricket and back then us fans took everything for granted...

Depressing state of affairs !!
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
I bet, and I am being serious as hell here, Imran Khan; if he came out of retirement would probably walk into this bunch of mediocrity with his eyes closed - even at his age !!

We have fallen some distance to where we were in cricket and back then us fans took everything for granted...

Depressing state of affairs !!
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A 65 year old IK would be a better bowler than 32 year old shuper duper phasst Wahab Riaz.
 
here is how it went

1960s to 1970s we had people who loved the game itself playing. Cricket became more and more loved. Serious Talent began to be produced like Imran Khan. We loved the game and the setup was professional for that time.

Serious Talent came in 80s and Imran Khan was the X factor who picked even bigger world talent which could shake the game to the core. He introduced the X factor with reverse swing and bringing in the best talented bowlers.

90s came and the cricketers from Imran's generation, inspired by those of the 80s and 70s came and conquered. they could have been the greatest team that ever played but was mired by corruption with players and the board. Big guns vying for power.

00s came and the greatest generation began to retire.the 90s generation never really looked to support the system or fix it. rather dealt with their own popularity and surviving corruption and match fixing

10s came and the 00s generation which was even less inspired due to the 90s behind the door issues brought even less people inspired to be cricketers.

And now as we near the 20s, there is a fear that the game in Pakistan will lose its final X factor and some including me believe it has. in the 70s we played cricket how England played. calculated. Slow and steady.

The game changed because we should the world how to play it but players like Misbah came and took us back to the calculated, slow and steady form. Much needed to remove the player power but it took away the spark.

Maybe the lesson is if you remove the corruption and let the spark flourish. we might have been the best team that ever played to this day
 
Waiting for this man to become PM and if nothing else, he'll fix our cricket by selecting qualified people and doing things on merit
 
Ah, the myth of "the abundant talent" in Pakistan. Its his favorite phrase to use every time we lose a high profile game.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
The whole system is rotten to it's core.


In Imran's time We had a slightly better system than today wrt those times.


County Cricket helped us massively too.


Imran has the Eye and He was daring aswell as honest.


Our Cricket will only improve if our National institutes improve othetwise we would never be competitive and will never be consistent especially in Shorter formats.
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It's not about better system. It isnt for nothing that Imran was educated in UK. He was a polished, well spoken, intelligent young man who wanted to do good for the country genuinely. How many such men do you have in Pakistan cricket today? Imran could do it alone because he had the vision. I dont see such men anymore. They can hardly speak proper, how do you expect them to spot talents?

From an Indian perspective, I feel Aamir Sohail looks like a smart, shrewd and dedicated man. I have no idea if he is or has been associated with Pakistan cricket. I also think Sikander Bakht is a genuinely nice man. You guys need to get such men running the show!
 
Rightarmfast said:
It's not about better system. It isnt for nothing that Imran was educated in UK. He was a polished, well spoken, intelligent young man who wanted to do good for the country genuinely. How many such men do you have in Pakistan cricket today? Imran could do it alone because he had the vision. I dont see such men anymore. They can hardly speak proper, how do you expect them to spot talents?

From an Indian perspective, I feel Aamir Sohail looks like a smart, shrewd and dedicated man. I have no idea if he is or has been associated with Pakistan cricket. I also think Sikander Bakht is a genuinely nice man. You guys need to get such men running the show!
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Amir than has love affair with Salman Butt & Hafeez. You won't complain than ? Right ?


Otherwise He is good. Amir Sohail isn't a Yes man so He is not liked at PCB. Even politics played a major part in his playing days. When he was in his batting peak years He was dropped needlessly for Shahid Afridi, M Wasim, Toufeeq Umar, Wajahatullah Wasti etc (Only talking about Odi Cricket) hence his Averages do not shown his ability and skillset. Batsman improve their averages during there peak batting years and Amir Sohail was out of both formats at that point. He has two three double hundreds aswell against Top Test bowling line ups of those days.


Sikandar Bakht is not good enough except for Masala stuff on Television.


Salman Butt did not have cricketing abilities like Imran but He was well spoken, intelligent, shrewd, tactical genious. He made a terrible call for few thousand pounds at his peak cricketing years. He was improving as a batsman too and would have been still playing averaging 47 in Test Cricket Yes UAE man and 45 with 80 83 SR in Odi Cricket thanks to UAE. But corruption destroyed him. PCB invested in him for 12 years atleast when he made that horrible choice.


Still if Sarfraz doesn't improve as Captain, Sethi doesn't become Pcb head, Inzamam stays at CS, Malik declines captaincy offer than Salman Butt will be back as Opener and Pakistan Captain. (All If's should work)


Salman did Spot fixing but remember in Past there were 4 Match fixers who Captained Pakistan. 2 of them did Spot fixing at ICL aswell. So Salman is a lesser Sinner/Criminal.
 
Markhor said:
He's right, we can keep hiring and firing coaches and selectors but we have a domestic system inadequate in producing international ready talent.

Unlike Imran's era, English county cricket is no longer a finishing school.

Pakistan risk going the way of Sri Lanka and West Indies - two other teams who had Boards that coasted on the back of a golden generation of individuals, but never professionalised their grassroots and domestic structure to sustain that success.
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Mickey Arthur said yesterday very clearly that domestic cricket is not the issue.

Infact I was baffled as to how definitive and clear he was in his conviction that the domestic cricket structure and standard was not to blame for this horror show because that is an easy cop-out (and true as well imo)
 
Rightarmfast said:
It's not about better system. It isnt for nothing that Imran was educated in UK. He was a polished, well spoken, intelligent young man who wanted to do good for the country genuinely. How many such men do you have in Pakistan cricket today? Imran could do it alone because he had the vision. I dont see such men anymore. They can hardly speak proper, how do you expect them to spot talents?

From an Indian perspective, I feel Aamir Sohail looks like a smart, shrewd and dedicated man. I have no idea if he is or has been associated with Pakistan cricket. I also think Sikander Bakht is a genuinely nice man. You guys need to get such men running the show!
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Amir Sohail should have been the CS instead of Inzi. Look at his analyses and views on players like U. Akmal and A. Shehzad you will be impressed.

Inzi is being wasted and would have been an awesome batting coach at the NCA.
 
Slog said:
Mickey Arthur said yesterday very clearly that domestic cricket is not the issue.

Infact I was baffled as to how definitive and clear he was in his conviction that the domestic cricket structure and standard was not to blame for this horror show because that is an easy cop-out (and true as well imo)
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That's one good thing about Mickey. He doesn't shy away and is ready to take all the blame unlike the desis who keep blaming others in order to save their jobs.

This means that he will do something about it. I am curious to see if he drops seniors like Hafeez, Wahab now after CT.
 
Imran Khan is delusional, India , SA and even Australia all have fielded experienced players.It is just England just found new talent.

You cannot manufacture talent, blaming system and selector is the most easy thing to say.But if there is no talent available to pick what can selectors do. Didn't they pick 18 year leg spinner , is it selectors faults if Umar Akmal choose to become fat.

Mohd Amir walking straight into the team and become its leading bowler tells everything you know about the talent level which is present at this time.Screaming over the top will not solve the issue.
 
Slog said:
Mickey Arthur said yesterday very clearly that domestic cricket is not the issue.

Infact I was baffled as to how definitive and clear he was in his conviction that the domestic cricket structure and standard was not to blame for this horror show because that is an easy cop-out (and true as well imo)
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Well in the recently concluded Pakistan Cup 300+ was being scored in every match or either getting chased down or missed by a very close margin. So it's not like domestic cricket is forcing our players to play at 1980s SR.

Take a look at the top five run getters in the tournament, almost all of them are untested batsmen who played at present day SR. Yet our selectors chose Azhar, Shehzad and Hafeez as our top four.

I think corruption and non-meritorious selections are a bigger issue than domestic. Heck this is the same domestic cricket that has produced talent like Sharjeel, Babar and Shadab in recent years.
 
Slog said:
Mickey Arthur said yesterday very clearly that domestic cricket is not the issue.

Infact I was baffled as to how definitive and clear he was in his conviction that the domestic cricket structure and standard was not to blame for this horror show because that is an easy cop-out (and true as well imo)
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He's right in that domestic structure isn't to blame for awful team selection and outdated tactics. Not hard to see where the blame lies there.
 
Imran is someone who only speaks and has no spine (never had) to do something about it. Become a coach, change the administrative process,lecture to Rashid Latif bhi de sakta hain
 
FlickedOffHips said:
Here in a sense is my opinion of IK:

The easiest thing is to say things like ' we need a complete revamp'. It takes exceptional vision, ability and knowhow to actually know what to change and how to best bring it about. From all I've ever seen of post retirement Imran, he has never struck me as someone who is particularly smart, self-aware, or even logical.
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overrated leader, great bowler but not a good enough person to blame others.If one takes out 92 WC which most believe was won bcz of Inzi brilliance and Luck and Rain, IK has nothing to show as a leader
 
joly said:
overrated leader, great bowler but not a good enough person to blame others.If one takes out 92 WC which most believe was won bcz of Inzi brilliance and Luck and Rain, IK has nothing to show as a leader
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Umm first Pakistani captain to win against India in India????


Or the only team to draw against WI in WI during that era????
 
Syed1 said:
Umm first Pakistani captain to win against India in India????


Or the only team to draw against WI in WI during that era????
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I think if someone tries to belittle Imran Khan in cricket, then you know they never saw him play or were probably not even born when he performed his legendary feats.

Imran's greatness is universal , his leadership skills are credited within all quarters and his peak is unmatched in cricket.

If someone dismisses all that, it's usually a troll.

Better to invest some time in discussing something useful than trying to prove whether arguably the 2nd or 1st greatest all rounder of all time was overrated or not.
 
joly said:
Imran is someone who only speaks and has no spine (never had) to do something about it. Become a coach, change the administrative process,lecture to Rashid Latif bhi de sakta hain
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Lool this is the funniest reply, Imran is fighting to become the prime minister and change the entire country and you are saying he doesn't has spine coz he can't change cricket structure? He is fighting the war no time for little battles... Now I would like to ask you how much of a spine you have and what have you done for your country apart from posting crap on online forums??

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]
 
big_gamer007 said:
Lool this is the funniest reply, Imran is fighting to become the prime minister and change the entire country and you are saying he doesn't has spine coz he can't change cricket structure? He is fighting the war no time for little battles... Now I would like to ask you how much of a spine you have and what have you done for your country apart from posting crap on online forums??

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]
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I agree with you brother.

May Allah strength Imran Khan's hands. May he get to PM seat through power of Vote. May He succeed in implementing his reform agenda. Aameen.


God forbid even if he fails even than Pakistan's history will remember him as a fighter who once was alone when he started his journey for Justice and than struggled for People of Pakistan for 20 odd years.
 
Well what IK and everyone else is saying isn't wrong. Our domestic cricket is primarily responsible for our low standards, this recent Pak Cup is the only tournament where teams consistently scored 300 runs plus in every innings after a long time.

But the coaches, support staff, captains are being entrusted with the responsibility to find short term solutions to the problems, to maximize and make best use of the resources available, to make sound, intelligent decisions on the field. Are they doing that? The answer is a resounding No.
 
Build the team from the scratch.. players are the problem and no amount of coaching can improve that.

All this reaction although expected is silly after one OdI game
 
Looks like PCB is not hiring meat eating mountain men anymore like Imran used to recruit in his time. Hence Indian bowling looks quicker than Pakistan :(
 
The hammering India dishes out to Pak these days becomes even more fun when the Pakistanis go crying about their alleged "abundance of talent."

By the way, Immy, do you remember WC 1992 that you "won" by fluke? Or are you too old and senile to remember the game against India?
 
Too much was made out of matches that Pakistan used to win in late 80s and 90s by both People and the media Too much is made out of it now by people and media of both India and Pakistan.

Its just a sport afterall. Pakistan is far ahead of India in terms of ODI victories and it will take decades to break if at all they start playing now. Too much analysis in TV is the problem. More the ex-players more is the suggestion.
 
One guy comes along and smashes a 37 ball 100 and damages Pakistan cricket as everyone feels hitting sixes is more important than building an innings.

What Pakistan needs is a messiah to show them the way on the pitch. A batsman like Sachin who will come along and change the batting landscape of the country.

That's the only way I feel.

Babar Azam should be given the freedom to blossom. He has to become that hero. That's the best way in the current scenario for Pakistani cricket to develop.
 
adit_sh said:
Pakistan is far ahead of India in terms of ODI victories and it will take decades to break if at all they start playing now. Too much analysis in TV is the problem. More the ex-players more is the suggestion.
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India is about 20 games behind Pakistan if you count Jamodis. To overcome this deficit the current Indian team will need about 25 games to equalize (giving the Pakistanis a very generous 5-20 result). That is 5 ODI series of 5 matches each, could be done with in half of a decade.
 
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