J-35 stealth fighter - the game changer for Pakistan

[IronShield]

I won't be surprised if China has already delivered one from its own inventory but nonetheless, they will start coming in from August 2025.

This is a new paradigm shift and will give Pakistan even more superiority to what they already demonstrated in the recent war and in addition, the Indian navy becomes a sitting duck.

What will India do to counteract this?

 

[sweep_shot]

More bad news for India I guess.

 

[RexRex]

Shouldn't you be spending money on more important things instead of wasting billions on a fighter jet ? I hope the IMF takes note.

 

[Boyka]

They’re currently trying to crowdfund an engine for their flying samosas.

 

[IronShield]

Shouldn't you be spending money on more important things instead of wasting billions on a fighter jet ? I hope the IMF takes note.

Why so salty? Besides, much of this will come free from China as courtesy for battle testing Chinese weapons on Indians without actually having to goto war.

 

[HalBass9]

Shouldn't you be spending money on more important things instead of wasting billions on a fighter jet ? I hope the IMF takes note.

Agree, but Pakistan do not have a choice when Indians elect religious extremists who wants to bring back Sati to India.

 

[speed]

Its not proven j 35 is no match for Rafale or Indian su-30, we better pray india have more problems with tejas otherwise game over for PAF, Tejas is another 4.5th gen, and later to be upgraded to 5th generation.

Our j 10s and jf17 are no match for Indian planes, plus our f16s are 40 yrs old so can't expect much from them.

Lastly our pilots are no match for the Indian pilots.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Good luck to you on getting this .You do know they don’t work right?

We are on the verge of “buying” Su-57s which are going to be far superior and they will work because we will be paying tip dollars for it and most likely manufacture it ourselves.

 

[sweep_shot]

Will Indian air force pilots soil their *****? They couldn't handle J-10. How will they handle J-35?

Indian pilots should quit their jobs and join Bollywood or something.

 

[mazkhan]

Remarkable how quick this platform matured from it's initial prototypes

 

[Champ_Pal]

Agree, but Pakistan do not have a choice when Indians elect religious extremists who wants to bring back Sati to India.

Let’s be honest. All of your elected officials are religious extremists. They bring religion in everything. Indian rightwing is Pakistan’s leftwing. It’s all relative.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Will Indian air force pilots soil their *****? They couldn't handle J-10. How will they handle J-35?

Indian pilots should quit their jobs and join Bollywood or something.

Who will pay for the fighter jets? IMF loans? Crowd funding and loans don’t work. Unless China offers them on a loan which Pakistan will never pay anyways.
Pak should keep buying things they cannot afford for the fear of India doing something. That will help their cause in coming out of their current economic crisis.

 

[Rana]

Does Pakistan even need it?

They are wiping the floor with Indian pilots using their current fleet.

What Pakistan does need is a better air interception system. A rubbish Army like India were allowed too many opportunities to enter Pakistan airspace

 

[Rana]

Who will pay for the fighter jets? IMF loans? Crowd funding and loans don’t work. Unless China offers them on a loan which Pakistan will never pay anyways.
Pak should keep buying things they cannot afford for the fear of India doing something. That will help their cause in coming out of their current economic crisis.

This is your issue.

It’s none of your business. Why do you care whose going to pay for it? They are not using money from Modi’s phuppi’s jahez.

 

[Pakpak]

Its not proven j 35 is no match for Rafale or Indian su-30, we better pray india have more problems with tejas otherwise game over for PAF, Tejas is another 4.5th gen, and later to be upgraded to 5th generation.

Our j 10s and jf17 are no match for Indian planes, plus our f16s are 40 yrs old so can't expect much from them.

Lastly our pilots are no match for the Indian pilots.

Good trolling.

Tejas has been the biggest waste of money to the point it has not featured in any skirmish. India has kept it away from its frontlines for a reason. J35 will wipe the floor with any airforce in our neighborhood barring China.

As for Indian pilots. They're rubbish, even shot down in Kargil where PAF played no part.

 

[Pakpak]

I won't be surprised if China has already delivered one from its own inventory but nonetheless, they will start coming in from August 2025.

This is a new paradigm shift and will give Pakistan even more superiority to what they already demonstrated in the recent war and in addition, the Indian navy becomes a sitting duck.

What will India do to counteract this?

They announced their own program which means they were, predictably, rejected for the F35s. They are very behind now in the air.

 

[Boyka]

Let’s be honest. All of your elected officials are religious extremists. They bring religion in everything. Indian rightwing is Pakistan’s leftwing. It’s all relative.

India?? Do you own a mirror

 

[LordJames]

Facts:

The videos on Social Media showing Shenyang J-35 in Pakistani hands are fake. However, PAF pilots have flown them and provided feedback during development and also get to fly against it.

Conjecture:

The Shenyang J-35 or any other twin engine fighter only fits into PAF doctrine if they have decide to go totally offensive and strike deep into India's south and that will be a game changer.

PAF is no need of twin engine unless they have a doctrine update so if this happens I will be more interested in doctrine change then the jet.

 

[HalBass9]

Let’s be honest. All of your elected officials are religious extremists. They bring religion in everything. Indian rightwing is Pakistan’s leftwing. It’s all relative.

Jinnah? Liaqat Ali? Bhutto? Benazir? NS? IK?

 

[ElRaja]

Does Pakistan even need it?

They are wiping the floor with Indian pilots using their current fleet.

What Pakistan does need is a better air interception system. A rubbish Army like India were allowed too many opportunities to enter Pakistan airspace

it takes time to embed new weapon systems, even if pak get the planes in august it will take some time to get up to speed with them. so theyll pbly get a few before they become the main planes.

 

[LordJames]

it takes time to embed new weapon systems, even if pak get the planes in august it will take some time to get up to speed with them. so theyll pbly get a few before they become the main planes.

Is there any chatter of doctrinal change within PAF to require twin engine jets? There is nothing of extraordinary importance in Tamil Nadu/Kerala which needs to be hit in India, everything is well within range of single engine 4th Gen air crafts.

Last time, the twin engine F-6 (MIG-19) was inducted just after 1965 due to unreliability of supply chain logistics from the US. It was a difficult plane but boys trained hard and mastered it but as soon as the short-gap was fulfilled they were put aside.

I know Shenyang J-35 has Stealth capabilities but its twin engine configuration for PAF is a question mark

 

[ElRaja]

Is there any chatter of doctrinal change within PAF to require twin engine jets? There is nothing of extraordinary importance in Tamil Nadu/Kerala which needs to be hit in India, everything is well within range of single engine 4th Gen air crafts.

Last time, the twin engine F-6 (MIG-19) was inducted just after 1965 due to unreliability of supply chain logistics from the US. It was a difficult plane but boys trained hard and mastered it but as soon as the short-gap was fulfilled they were put aside.

I know Shenyang J-35 has Stealth capabilities but its twin engine configuration for PAF is a question mark

i dont know anyone in the PAF so can only wildly speculate, but the two engine design pbly has more to do with redundancy, and the stealth features would also be designed for operating behind enemy lines, so both features are minimising the likelihood of losing a plan in enemy territory. so you give up some manouverability, but if it does what it says on the tin it will be ok to sacrifice some manouverability for its chosen use.

 

[straighttalk]

Expect terrorist attacks once j35 is operational ....as paf will think they have an edge. India will not have a fifth gen fighter but these are low quality Chinese maal. For China it's ok as their target are us aircraft carriers..lose 30 jets and get a carrier down is a huge deal...but for Pak with the donated jets...are they willing to fire at a Indian base or a s400 if they detect it and then lose the jet bcos once you fire you light up...will be interesting to see. India needs to build a better air defense system and get these jets when they are in the ground ...Sindoor has shown that Pak can't defend their motherland or their airbases or their jehadi hideouts...so that's what India should target

 

[Romali_rotti]

Shouldn't you be spending money on more important things instead of wasting billions on a fighter jet ? I hope the IMF takes note.

It's Chinese, wouldn't have cost much to put the whole plane together.

You really think the Chinese if they had a decent jet would sell, lease or loan it to Pakistan fully knowing the ISI has been comprised and have deep links with the CIA...

 

[Bhaijaan]

Does Pakistan even need it?

They are wiping the floor with Indian pilots using their current fleet.

What Pakistan does need is a better air interception system. A rubbish Army like India were allowed too many opportunities to enter Pakistan airspace

You are contradicting yourself in own post.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It's Chinese, wouldn't have cost much to put the whole plane together.

You really think the Chinese if they had a decent jet would sell, lease or loan it to Pakistan fully knowing the ISI has been comprised and have deep links with the CIA...

Also it’s funny how international propaganda against Bharat is falling apart.

Previously they claimed the Chinese jets gunned down Rafale. If that was indeed the case then why do they feel the PAF need an upgraded fighter jet and why are they fast tracking the whole process

Even an 8 year old can figure out from this, the Chinese are fuming at the way Bharat was able to SMASH Pakistan and put it down to knees in a matter of 2-3 days only. They are completely insecure now about their investments in Pakistan after Bharat was able to hit dagger after dagger at Pakistani military bases with pin point accuracy creating moon like craters on their airforce run ways in an incredible display of their military power and air superiority in the region.

At this rate, I am getting the feeling even the Chinese might be looking to purchase some foreign fighter jets soon to be ready for Bharat in time They know their stuff sucks. Everything they do Bharat is somehow able to do better

 

[RexRex]

Agree, but Pakistan do not have a choice when Indians elect religious extremists who wants to bring back Sati to India.

They do have a choice .. they can get rid of the terror groups that are infesting Pakistan. This solves the Indo-Pak problem.

 

[RexRex]

You are contradicting yourself in own post.

Even Rana has been radicalised into making incoherent bombastic statements. God help us all.

 

[HalBass9]

They do have a choice .. they can get rid of the terror groups that are infesting Pakistan. This solves the Indo-Pak problem.

Pakistan is actively fighting the Indian sponsored and backed terrorists group in Baluchistan and rest of the Pakistan.

 

[Pakpak]

Is there any chatter of doctrinal change within PAF to require twin engine jets? There is nothing of extraordinary importance in Tamil Nadu/Kerala which needs to be hit in India, everything is well within range of single engine 4th Gen air crafts.

Last time, the twin engine F-6 (MIG-19) was inducted just after 1965 due to unreliability of supply chain logistics from the US. It was a difficult plane but boys trained hard and mastered it but as soon as the short-gap was fulfilled they were put aside.

I know Shenyang J-35 has Stealth capabilities but its twin engine configuration for PAF is a question mark

It's more that having it reduces the chances of a loss, India has nothing like this and it gives a masskve edge at hitting them deeply so no India base is out of reach. And if it's true how advanced the plane is then Indians won't even know it's there.

 

[RexRex]

Pakistan is actively fighting the Indian sponsored and backed terrorists group in Baluchistan and rest of the Pakistan.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that this is true.

Why is India supporting Baloch 'terror' groups ? What is their motive in doing that ?

 

[Boyka]

“Not a single project I can think of has completed on time”. Indian air force chief Singh sab.

Will save this thread for 2075.

 

[HalBass9]

Let's assume for the sake of argument that this is true.

Why is India supporting Baloch 'terror' groups ? What is their motive in doing that ?

First, let’s stop pretending India’s hands are clean when it comes to supporting terrorism inside Pakistan.

If you’re genuinely curious about the motive, don’t waste time on guesswork, just listen to India’s own politicians and commentators who have openly cheered on or justified such actions.

No need for conspiracy theories when the loudmouths on TV are basically handing you the playbook themselves.

 

[LordJames]

Let's assume for the sake of argument that this is true.

Why is India supporting Baloch 'terror' groups ? What is their motive in doing that ?

To destabilize Pakistan, to cause economic loss, to keep the forces from solely concentrating on the Eastern border. "Same supposed reasons" which Indians give for Pakistan supporting Terror inside India.

It's more that having it reduces the chances of a loss, India has nothing like this and it gives a masskve edge at hitting them deeply so no India base is out of reach. And if it's true how advanced the plane is then Indians won't even know it's there.

I also think that the acquisition of twin engine jets will come due to PAF doctrine change to strike deep inside India so if Shenyang J-35 are acquired then we would know why.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Let’s be honest. All of your elected officials are religious extremists. They bring religion in everything. Indian rightwing is Pakistan’s leftwing. It’s all relative.

You must believe Pakistan and Afghanistan have become rampant success stories for India to be trying to model their govt on the same religious fanaticism.

 

[IronShield]

It's more that having it reduces the chances of a loss, India has nothing like this and it gives a masskve edge at hitting them deeply so no India base is out of reach. And if it's true how advanced the plane is then Indians won't even know it's there.

That is my point that the superiority will be unmatched. Nowhere will be safe for India. Vikrant will be a sitting duck, they will have to move it to Andaman islands along with rest of their Rafales.

I watched some clips of the Arnab show with Victor Gao and it struck me the dichotomy of what is coming out of their mouths and the deep frustration written on their faces. Somehow they are locked in a battle within themselves to prove that they won and Chinese material is no good and making loud noises will somehow cover the beating they recieved during the war. If the Chinese weapons are no good, then it's in India's interest to have China provide it to Pakistan.... Why say on one hand its no good and then on the other, don't give it to Pakistan

Interesting that Arnab's POV is almost mirrored by some accounts on PP too.

I think they have reached Bargaining step in the seven steps of grief.

 

[LordJames]

That is my point that the superiority will be unmatched. Nowhere will be safe for India. Vikrant will be a sitting duck, they will have to move it to Andaman islands along with rest of their Rafales.

I watched some clips of the Arnab show with Victor Gao and it struck me the dichotomy of what is coming out of their mouths and the deep frustration written on their faces. Somehow they are locked in a battle within themselves to prove that they won and Chinese material is no good and making loud noises will somehow cover the beating they recieved during the war. If the Chinese weapons are no good, then it's in India's interest to have China provide it to Pakistan.... Why say on one hand its no good and then on the other, don't give it to Pakistan

Interesting that Arnab's POV is almost mirrored by some accounts on PP too.

I think they have reached Bargaining step in the seven steps of grief.

Exactly! Not just Arnab but there are idiotic posters here who are sincerely advising Pakistan not to waste money on Chinese weapons, surely if Chinese weapons are no good then it is in India's interest for Pakistan to waste all its money and end up with duds!

Btw, Vikrant and any other heavy destroyers in the Arabian sea are already well within range of PAF assets armed with CM400AKG variants since 2021

The twin engine jets will make far flung areas in South of India accessible so nothing will be safe from PAF range, a major doctrinal upgrade when it happens.

 

[Pakpak]

Indians saying they will arm Taiwan.

How deluded are some of these people? A nation like Taiwan who is armed to the hilt by the US, the world's super power, will instead want India's trash weapons? What world do these people live in? There is nothing India has Taiwan would need.

 

[speed]

Indians saying they will arm Taiwan.

How deluded are some of these people? A nation like Taiwan who is armed to the hilt by the US, the world's super power, will instead want India's trash weapons? What world do these people live in? There is nothing India has Taiwan would need.

Taiwan can produce their own stuff, they Don't need cow dung covered indian stuff

 

[RexRex]

First, let’s stop pretending India’s hands are clean when it comes to supporting terrorism inside Pakistan.

If you’re genuinely curious about the motive, don’t waste time on guesswork, just listen to India’s own politicians and commentators who have openly cheered on or justified such actions.

No need for conspiracy theories when the loudmouths on TV are basically handing you the playbook themselves.

It's a simple question. What is the motive of India in doing this ? I need a reason.

You seem so sure that India is involved in Balochistan so you should be able to answer this question as well.

 

[HalBass9]

It's a simple question. What is the motive of India in doing this ? I need a reason.

You seem so sure that India is involved in Balochistan so you should be able to answer this question as well.

You need a reason to believe? That is ‘you’ issue, not mine.

 

[RexRex]

You need a reason to believe? That is ‘you’ issue, not mine.

Why are you refusing to answer ? Bizarre.

 

[HalBass9]

Why are you refusing to answer ? Bizarre.

Answer? I’ve already given it. The fact that you’re still asking only proves you’re unwilling to face the facts.

 

[RexRex]

Answer? I’ve already given it. The fact that you’re still asking only proves you’re unwilling to face the facts.

What are the facts ? Do elaborate.

 

[HalBass9]

What are the facts ? Do elaborate.

What exactly are you asking? Are you still scrambling to deny that India has a hand in terrorism inside Pakistan?

 

[RexRex]

What exactly are you asking? Are you still scrambling to deny that India has a hand in terrorism inside Pakistan?

I'm asking you for the fifth time now .. what is India's motive or reason for getting involved in Balochistan ?

For example, Israel has sabotaged Iran's nuclear program numerous times and the REASON for that is Iran supports militant groups both Hamas and Hezbollah against Israel.

 

[HalBass9]

I'm asking you for the fifth time now .. what is India's motive or reason for getting involved in Balochistan ?

For example, Israel has sabotaged Iran's nuclear program numerous times and the REASON for that is Iran supports militant groups both Hamas and Hezbollah against Israel.

Goodwill gesture to help Pakistan.

 

[RexRex]

Goodwill gesture to help Pakistan.

The fact that you can't answer this question in good faith reveals a lot about you. It is pointless replying to you. End of discussion.

 

[HalBass9]

The fact that you can't answer this question in good faith reveals a lot about you. It is pointless replying to you. End of discussion.

Oh, you want to debate why two adversaries support extremist groups in each other’s backyard?

Buddy, the fact that you’re standing there, asking dumb questions while balancing on your own ego pedestal already says more about you than any answer ever could.

The real question is, how bored are you that you’re pretending this needs a debate? What’s next, asking why the sun rises in the east?

 

[RexRex]

Oh, you want to debate why two adversaries support extremist groups in each other’s backyard?

Buddy, the fact that you’re standing there, asking dumb questions while balancing on your own ego pedestal already says more about you than any answer ever could.

The real question is, how bored are you that you’re pretending this needs a debate? What’s next, asking why the sun rises in the east?

I was trying to get you to admit that any potential involvement of India in Balochistan is a direct consequence of Pakistan's terrorism in Kashmir. But you were too dishonest to admit it.

Next time, I'll talk to a brick wall.

 

[HalBass9]

I was trying to get you to admit that any potential involvement of India in Balochistan is a direct consequence of Pakistan's terrorism in Kashmir. But you were too dishonest to admit it.

Next time, I'll talk to a brick wall.

Ohhh, gotcha, so you’re here trying to justify the Indian government killing innocent civilians and school kids in Pakistan?

Yeah, I think you’d get a more productive conversation out of a brick wall, my friend.

 

[RexRex]

Ohhh, gotcha, so you’re here trying to justify the Indian government killing innocent civilians and school kids in Pakistan?

Yeah, I think you’d get a more productive conversation out of a brick wall, my friend.

More comprehension problems. You have the IQ of a carrot.

Over and out.

 

[HalBass9]

More comprehension problems. You have the IQ of a carrot.

Over and out.

LOL, so just because I haven’t bent my views to fit your “ground facts,” you’re questioning my IQ?

You keep tossing around words like potential, motive, and why India, as if that magically erases what’s right in front of us.

Here’s the real secret, let’s drop the act, it’s not just the Hindutva led government backing terrorism in Pakistan, even past Indian governments have played the same dirty game, training extremists.

And the funniest part? In this whole conversation, you’ve already admitted that India supports terrorism in Pakistan because Pakistan backs separatists in Indian-occupied Kashmir, and you’re still questioning my IQ? LOL.

Bro, take a breath. Dig deeper. Try harder.

 

[RexRex]

And the funniest part? In this whole conversation, you’ve already admitted that India supports terrorism in Pakistan because Pakistan backs separatists in Indian-occupied Kashmir.

Did I ?

I said very specifically in the beginning (post #31) - "Let's assume for the sake of argument that India is involved in Balochistan.. "

It's called a hypothetical.