Jasprit Bumrah vs Junaid Khan in ODIs

[babajee]

Pakistan’s 3rd seamer vs India’s 1st seamer

Basic stats comparison:

Jasprit Bumrah -
64 wickets
Average 22.5
Economy 4.64
Strike rate 29

Junaid Khan -
97 wickets
Average 28.31
Economy 5.30
Strike rate 32

However let’s filter this out ...

Against non minnows (Aus,Eng,SA,NZ,Pak)

Jasprit Bumrah averages 29.08 with an economy rate of 5.05

Against non minnows (Aus,Eng,SA,India)

Junaid Khan averages 27.39 with an economy rate of 5.29

So it’s quite close isn’t it

Now let’s compare CT performance when it really counts:

Jasprit Bumrah: 4 wickets, 52.50 average and 5.00 economy

Junaid Khan: 8 wickets, 19.37 average and 4.58 economy

Now tell me who is better PPers. I am struggling to tell

 

[babajee]

Another important stat:

78.4% of Junaid Khan’s wickets are batsmen from 1-7 in the batting order

67.2% of Jasprit Bumrah’s wickets are batsmen from 1-7 in the batting order

 

[Khan12]

Junaid over that ugly action. I just can't stand his action.

 

[Syed1]

Junaid is alot better bowler than many make him out to be. Heck I think we wouldn't have done as well as we did in the CT if it weren't for his bowling. His absence was felt in NZ.



Keep in mind when Amir was ripping India apart, Junaid on the other end was bowling at 2 or 3 rpo which was crucial to exert more pressure.

 

[babajee]

Junaid is alot better bowler than many make him out to be.

But is he better than Bumrah.. sawaal ye hai

 

[Syed1]

But is he better than Bumrah.. sawaal ye hai

Does it matter? Every team is greater than the sum of its parts. Heck put Wasim Akram in the present BD or SL trundler pace attack and he would hardly be able to win his side a match. Bowlers hunt in packs and the troika of Amir-Hasan-Junaid is better than what any other side can assemble in world cricket.



And to answer your question, yes in my opinion Junaid is better than Bumrah.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

The only comparison that matters is what in the final...

 

[Square Drive]

Junaid. He can atleast keep his foot behind the line when it matters.

 

[rhony]

There is no competetion for Bumrah other than Hasan. Their records in the last two years show that. These two are just on another level.

 

[babajee]

There is no competetion for Bumrah other than Hasan. Their records in the last two years show that. These two are just on another level.

Look at the OP lol. Junaid Khan is toe to toe with Bumrah and smoked him when it mattered the most

 

[HuzaifaE]

Yeah no. It's like dissecting stats to make Wahab seem better than Bhuvi. It's just obviously not true.

 

[rhony]

Junaid bombed a bunch of times after Aane Do series. You folks have weak memories. Even now he's an average bowler and has serious competetion from Shenwari. In the last two years, only Hasan has better stats than Bumrah. Amir and BK have similar numbers. Junaid was the next Wasim after Aane do. Then he was the next Amir. Now he is the next to nothing. Amir and Hasan are automatic spots. Junaid will be fighting for 3rd pacer. That should give you a hint how good he is.

 

[rhony]

Yeah no. It's like dissecting stats to make Wahab seem better than Bhuvi. It's just obviously not true.

When someone says a difference of 6 points in average is comparable, you should understand their level of cricketing intelligence.

 

[babajee]

Junaid bombed a bunch of times after Aane Do series. You folks have weak memories. Even now he's an average bowler and has serious competetion from Shenwari. In the last two years, only Hasan has better stats than Bumrah. Amir and BK have similar numbers. Junaid was the next Wasim after Aane do. Then he was the next Amir. Now he is the next to nothing. Amir and Hasan are automatic spots. Junaid will be fighting for 3rd pacer. That should give you a hint how good he is.

What do the stats say?

Yes Junaid was awful for a while when he struggled with injury. But his stats still match Bumrah’s against the top teams.

 

[Syed1]

When someone says a difference of 6 points in average is comparable, you should understand their level of cricketing intelligence.

The OP clearly shows who is better when you remove the minnows. How hard is it to understand?

 

[babajee]

When someone says a difference of 6 points in average is comparable, you should understand their level of cricketing intelligence.

We are comparing their stats against the top teams lol.

 

[rhony]

The OP clearly shows who is better when you remove the minnows. How hard is it to understand?

We are all fooled by the OP. He considered Pakistan as a top team and added that to Bumrah's stats. Considering a number 7th ranked team is a minnow, when you look at Bumrah's stats, he has an average of 26.41 and an economy of 4.94. Now that's the part you can't comprehend because you keep clutching on to a solitary win similar to West Indies winning the CT. When the smoke clears, I believe it hasn't even after the 0-5 drubbing, you will see. Now this will be very hard for you to understand I guarantee

 

[rhony]

Now another interesting tidbit here. Against Top teams AUS, Eng, Ind, NZ, SA AMir played 26 games and took 33 wickets at 34.03 at 4.96 po. Now is Junaid a better bowler than AMir. Talk about the OP shooting his own foot

 

[babajee]

We are all fooled by the OP. He considered Pakistan as a top team and added that to Bumrah's stats. Considering a number 7th ranked team is a minnow, when you look at Bumrah's stats, he has an average of 26.41 and an economy of 4.94. Now that's the part you can't comprehend because you keep clutching on to a solitary win similar to West Indies winning the CT. When the smoke clears, I believe it hasn't even after the 0-5 drubbing, you will see. Now this will be very hard for you to understand I guarantee

Wow ok, let me just remove Junaid’s bad performances then too to make his average better.

Pakistan are NOT minnows. You may call them “mediocre” but being mediocre is not the same as being a minnow. Pakistan team bashes minnows day and night.

 

[rhony]

Wow ok, let me just remove Junaid’s bad performances then too to make his average better.

Pakistan are NOT minnows. You may call them “mediocre” but being mediocre is not the same as being a minnow. Pakistan team bashes minnows day and night.

Is No. 7 considered a TOP Team in any universe? Is a team that's below SL in rankings a top team? Ofcourse CT win not withstanding. There is nothing to show except for that in the past few years. West Indies won CT too and it was a stunner too. Move on already.

 

[babajee]

Now another interesting tidbit here. Against Top teams AUS, Eng, Ind, NZ, SA AMir played 26 games and took 33 wickets at 34.03 at 4.96 po. Now is Junaid a better bowler than AMir. Talk about the OP shooting his own foot

This thread is about Jasprit Bumrah vs Junaid Khan

You know you have lost the argument so now you have to bring in Amir.

 

[babajee]

Is No. 7 considered a TOP Team in any universe? Is a team that's below SL in rankings a top team? Ofcourse CT win not withstanding. There is nothing to show except for that in the past few years. West Indies won CT too and it was a stunner too. Move on already.

Pakistan are ranked 6 in ODI....

Australia are 5. You consider Australia a top team and Pakistan are a ranking below.

 

[rhony]

This thread is about Jasprit Bumrah vs Junaid Khan

You know you have lost the argument so now you have to bring in Amir.

I'm showing how absurd how the thread is. So Junaid is better than Bumrah and Bumrah is better than Amir. Now if you believe that, kudos

 

[rhony]

Pakistan are ranked 6 in ODI....

Australia are 5. You consider Australia a top team and Pakistan are a ranking below.

Noted. Pakistan is No.6. Now considering ICC doesnt treat WI and Afg as top teams because they had to resort to qualification leagues for next WC, there are 8 quality teams. If you are No.6 out of 8, how can you consider yourself a top team?

 

[babajee]

Noted. Pakistan is No.6. Now considering ICC doesnt treat WI and Afg as top teams because they had to resort to qualification leagues for next WC, there are 8 quality teams. If you are No.6 out of 8, how can you consider yourself a top team?

Ok. Lets say I agree Pakistan is not a top team, then what? Does it make Bumrah better than Junaid ??

 

[babajee]

I don’t consider Australia a top team now because [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] saab said that there are 8 teams in cricket so how can the 5th be a top team?

I remove Australia and here are Junaid Khan’s stats:

Average 25.36, Economy 4.90

Better than Bumrah. Try again

 

[rhony]

Ok. Lets say I agree Pakistan is not a top team, then what? Does it make Bumrah better than Junaid ??

No it doesn't make anything. Did you see how absurd it is to say Bumrah is better than Amir? Now I'm not sure if they taught you transitive property in your school yet but this also implies that Junaid is better than Amir. See how absurd that was and how crazy your thinking is?

 

[babajee]

No it doesn't make anything. Did you see how absurd it is to say Bumrah is better than Amir? Now I'm not sure if they taught you transitive property in your school yet but this also implies that Junaid is better than Amir. See how absurd that was and how crazy your thinking is?

Wait what? You think Bumrah is better than Amir

Bumrah is ATG death bowler though?

 

[rhony]

Wait what? You think Bumrah is better than Amir

Bumrah is ATG death bowler though?

Dude your attention span is getting lower. Now pay attention. Bunrah has better stats than Amir against top teams. Ergo, based on your logic, Bumrah is better than Amir. Considering your surprise at my post, you don't think Bumrah is better than Amir. See how you are confused here

 

[babajee]

Dude your attention span is getting lower. Now pay attention. Bunrah has better stats than Amir against top teams. Ergo, based on your logic, Bumrah is better than Amir. Considering your surprise at my post, you don't think Bumrah is better than Amir. See how you are confused here

Sorry I made a mistake.

You think Amir is better than Bumrah ??

 

[cricketjoshila]

why is Pakistan a top ODI team? ranked number 6 in the world.

 

[babajee]

why is Pakistan a top ODI team? ranked number 6 in the world.

Why is Australia a top ODI team? Ranked number 5 in the world.

The wording in the OP is non minnows. Pakistan are not minnows. Performances against non minnows are the ones that matter.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why is Australia a top ODI team? Ranked number 5 in the world.

The wording in the OP is non minnows. Pakistan are not minnows.

Pakistan are not in top 5. Its in the bottom half. Certainly minnow level since.

If no.6 is not minnow why no.7 BD is minnow ?

Because if we include BD then Junaid Khan's avg falls to 29.69 and doesnt help your narrative?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

Why not include 5 teams or Junaid as well like you did for Bumrah? Doesnt help your cause?

 

[babajee]

Pakistan are not in top 5. Its in the bottom half. Certainly minnow level since.

If no.6 is not minnow why no.7 BD is minnow ?

Because if we include BD then Junaid Khan's avg falls to 29.69 and doesnt help your narrative?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

Why not include 5 teams or Junaid as well like you did for Bumrah? Doesnt help your cause?

Junaid hasn’t played NZ so I can’t add them. I only added the non minnows that they have played against.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Junaid hasn’t played NZ so I can’t add them. I only added the non minnows that they have played against.

Then why add Pakistan in Bumrah's list and make it 5 teams

and not add Bangladesh in JUnaid's list and keep it at 4 teams?

If teams below top 5 have to be included why not both pak and BD why only Pak?

 

[babajee]

Then why add Pakistan in Bumrah's list and make it 5 teams

and not add Bangladesh in JUnaid's list and keep it at 4 teams?

If teams below top 5 have to be included why not both pak and BD why only Pak?

Bangladesh are minnows, Pakistan are not.

 

[rhony]

Bangladesh are minnows, Pakistan are not.

Why are bangaldesh minnows now? They went to QF in the last WC as Pak, They beat Pak, India, SA at home in a 3 game series. They went to CT SF. Like I said, if you post something credible instead of agenda driven based on one singular event, you will demean that event. Pakistan win in CT was very critical and threw the whole world cup open next year. There was a time when Australia ruled and then India between 2011 and 2014 but now it's open again. If you think your team is good and is a credible winner then you should act like one instead of petty posts.

 

[babajee]

Junaid Khan is ranked #239
Jasprit Bumrah is ranked #1

Sorry but what the hell are rankings ) )

 

[Sin Nombre]

Every Pakistani bowler >>>>> every Indian bowler

/thread

 

[WengerOut]

Pakistan’s 3rd seamer vs India’s 1st seamer

Basic stats comparison:

Jasprit Bumrah -
64 wickets
Average 22.5
Economy 4.64
Strike rate 29

Junaid Khan -
97 wickets
Average 28.31
Economy 5.30
Strike rate 32

However let’s filter this out ...

Against non minnows (Aus,Eng,SA,NZ,Pak)

Jasprit Bumrah averages 29.08 with an economy rate of 5.05

Against non minnows (Aus,Eng,SA,India)

Junaid Khan averages 27.39 with an economy rate of 5.29

So it’s quite close isn’t it

Now let’s compare CT performance when it really counts:

Jasprit Bumrah: 4 wickets, 52.50 average and 5.00 economy

Junaid Khan: 8 wickets, 19.37 average and 4.58 economy

Now tell me who is better PPers. I am struggling to tell

Could you do an Amir v Junaid using the same filter? I dunno anything , just asking

 

[MeanAndGreen]

While the comparison is almost troll worthy it's even funnier seeing some IND fans calling PAK a minnow, as if getting blasted by 180 runs in the CT final wasn't enough.

World cricket isn't what it used to be 10-15 years back where there was a clear divide b/w the Top 2/3 and the rest. Heck the Aussies are ranked No.5 and they rolled India 4-1 last time they toured.

 

[giri26]

Junaid Khan is ranked #239
Jasprit Bumrah is ranked #1

Sorry but what the hell are rankings ) )

That is because Junaid Khan hasn't been a regular feature in the Pakistan team over the last couple of years. Rankings are not based on one tournament and it does not take into account the ability/talent of the players. They only go by recent performances. It will be difficult for ICC to incorporate talent into the mix of their rankings and it will become a nightmare.

 

[WengerOut]

While the comparison is almost troll worthy it's even funnier seeing some IND fans calling PAK a minnow, as if getting blasted by 180 runs in the CT final wasn't enough.

World cricket isn't what it used to be 10-15 years back where there was a clear divide b/w the Top 2/3 and the rest. Heck the Aussies are ranked No.5 and they rolled India 4-1 last time they toured.

Last time SA smoked Aus 5-0 , India demolished Aus 4-1 , England manhandled Aus 4-1. So yeah Aus deserved that ranking.

 

[Madplayer]

Noted. Pakistan is No.6. Now considering ICC doesnt treat WI and Afg as top teams because they had to resort to qualification leagues for next WC, there are 8 quality teams. If you are No.6 out of 8, how can you consider yourself a top team?

So lets be clear here. you are saying Pakistan is a minnow and performances against them should not be counted?

This is next level trolling and most experts of the world will disagree with you. Pakistan has won matches in England, Australia, SA , SL, WI, and India when they last toured these countries. Minnows dont do that. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[hafizexpress]

Bumrah could be in contention for most world XIs, Junaid wouldn't make it at all! Not saying Junaid isn't good but he's only decent. He's a shadow of his former self and lost his touch after his injury before WC'15.

 

[Madplayer]

Bumrah could be in contention for most world XIs, Junaid wouldn't make it at all! Not saying Junaid isn't good but he's only decent. He's a shadow of his former self and lost his touch after his injury before WC'15.

Junaid was part of CT XI while bumrah easnt.

I wonder What are junaid's stats post recovering from injury.

 

[BreadPakoda]

So lets be clear here. you are saying Pakistan is a minnow and performances against them should not be counted?

This is next level trolling and most experts of the world will disagree with you. Pakistan has won matches in England, Australia, SA , SL, WI, and India when they last toured these countries. Minnows dont do that. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Pakistan is a mixed bag. They would lose to Zimbabwe on one day and defeat Australia the next.
But rankings speak for themselves and Bangladesh isn’t far behind Pakistan if you go by the last few years record. If I remember correctly, Bangladesh was ranked higher than Pakistan till recently before the latter made a dramatic turnaround to start winning games out of nowhere. Something, honestly only Pakistan can do.
Only time I remember a team making such a turn around was India in CT13.

 

[Zerotohero]

Junaid Khan is the best bowler since inception of cricket
Who is Bumrah,just a no ball kid and aane do series is greater than any World Cup and similarly CT 2017 is greater than any other CT
CT 2017 only must be used for judging players and even World Cup stats should not count

 

[Wonderwoman]

Pakistan’s 3rd seamer vs India’s 1st seamer

Basic stats comparison:

Jasprit Bumrah -
64 wickets
Average 22.5
Economy 4.64
Strike rate 29

Junaid Khan -
97 wickets
Average 28.31
Economy 5.30
Strike rate 32

However let’s filter this out ...

Against non minnows (Aus,Eng,SA,NZ,Pak)

Jasprit Bumrah averages 29.08 with an economy rate of 5.05

Against non minnows (Aus,Eng,SA,India)

Junaid Khan averages 27.39 with an economy rate of 5.29

So it’s quite close isn’t it

Now let’s compare CT performance when it really counts:

Jasprit Bumrah: 4 wickets, 52.50 average and 5.00 economy

Junaid Khan: 8 wickets, 19.37 average and 4.58 economy

Now tell me who is better PPers. I am struggling to tell

This is masterful trolling of highest order.
Why are you skipping stats against SL because Junaid Khan's avg differnce with Bumrah is 10 higher.

Of course, we are going to talk about England, because Bumrah's one series againt England had teams scoring 350+ in all the innings.

 

[ravisurya]

Since when is SL a minnow??

 

[Titan24]

With new ball definitely Junaid with his ability to seam the ball, in middle overs its little bit close but Junaid takes it with his ability to reverse swing the ball, at death its definitely Bumrah at the moment.

Junaid used to had pretty decent yorkers, there was a match he played for Lancashire where he defended just 6-7 odd runs in the last over against oppositions top order batsmen, they were 4 down I guess. His fitness has been an issue.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is masterful trolling of highest order.
Why are you skipping stats against SL because Junaid Khan's avg differnce with Bumrah is 10 higher.

Of course, we are going to talk about England, because Bumrah's one series againt England had teams scoring 350+ in all the innings.

Leave that. Bumrah's stats are for 5 teams but Junaids for 4.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Sri Lanka can be considered a weak team now since Pakistan absolutely mauled the living daylights out of the poor souls in the desert recently. Since Pakistan is a number 6 ranked team, mauling the number 7 ranked team 5-0 means there's a considerable gap between the bottom 3 and Pakistan. Just like there's a decent gap between Pakistan and the top 5.

However, I expect Sarfraz to notch up series wins against Australia and New Zealand in the UAE later this year. He is a tremendous captain in his comfort zone.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

Right now, Bumrah is definitely better than Amir and Junaid and competes with Hasan. They have different roles in the teams however; Hasan bowls in the middle overs while Bumrah is a death specialist. And both are outstanding at what they do.

 

[Mamoon]

Bumrah is leagues better than Junaid, a little better than Amir and on par with Hasan.

 

[ads101]

Junaid, Bumrah, Mcgrath, Dinda, they're all fast bowlers. Why pick between them?

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Bumrah is leagues below Junaid, massively inferior to Amir and should never be written in the same sentence along with Hasan (It's an insult to the latter)

 

[babajee]

Bumrah is leagues below Junaid, massively inferior to Amir and should never be written in the same sentence along with Hasan (It's an insult to the latter)

True. Some Indians just feel a need to put their bowlers on the same level as ours.

 

[babajee]

Right now, Bumrah is definitely better than Amir and Junaid and competes with Hasan. They have different roles in the teams however; Hasan bowls in the middle overs while Bumrah is a death specialist. And both are outstanding at what they do.

Why? Why is he better than Junaid when they have comparable stats against the top teams and Junaid completely outbowled Bumrah in the last ICC tournament?

Both Bumrah and Junaid open the bowling and bowl at the death so it’s a fair comparison.

 

[DRsohail]

Bumrah is leagues better than Junaid, a little better than Amir and on par with Hasan.

Even without your post i knew what will Doc sb say.

 

[DRsohail]

he is definitely better bowler overall but from now onward he will go down while bumrah can improve.

 

[WildSwing]

Bumrah is better than every pakistani bowler produced in the 21st century

 

[babajee]

Bumrah is better than every pakistani bowler produced in the 21st century

Why 21st?

Bumrah is better than Wasim, Waqar, Imran, Shoaib, Asif etc. and I would expect him to be considering the hype he is given by Indian fans.

 

[WildSwing]

Why 21st?

Bumrah is better than Wasim, Waqar, Imran, Shoaib, Asif etc. and I would expect him to be considering the hype he is given by Indian fans.

I try to stay realistic, maybe bumrah may surpass all pakistani bowlers in the future but right now he's better than anything pak has produced in this century

 

[babajee]

I try to stay realistic, maybe bumrah may surpass all pakistani bowlers in the future but right now he's better than anything pak has produced in this century

Any reason for that

 

[WildSwing]

Any reason for that

His performance till now plus his attitude towards the game, he's a student of the game and has a very good brain.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

Why? Why is he better than Junaid when they have comparable stats against the top teams and Junaid completely outbowled Bumrah in the last ICC tournament?

Both Bumrah and Junaid open the bowling and bowl at the death so it’s a fair comparison.

Because 'completely outbowled in the last ICC tournament' doesn't say anything about their overall quality and is dangerous argument. That's just a very slippery slope to take, especially as a Pakistani fan where we've generally had a less than optimal record in big ICC tournaments, especially the world cup. How would you feel if that was used as the judging factor for Waqar Younis for example to denigrate his otherwise substantial achievements? I know it's fashionable to keep referring to the CT Final, but that was one of those special days that literally everything went Pakistan's way that I frankly cannot see happening repeatedly. But that's an argument for a different day.

In terms of comparable stats, most of Bumrah's stats are from the last two years, a period in which average scores have absolutely ballooned across all nations. I've seen Bumrah win India ODI's/T20's by defending runs in the very last over multiple times. Plus he's the current World Number 1 bowler as well, after India played a 6 match series away in South Africa. Plus I just looked at his stats; there have been only 3 occassions he's gone for an economy of more than 7 RPO in 37 games he's bowled in. Which is unbelievable, especially considering that India play on very batting friendly pitches especially at home.

I understand it's fashionable to always support the Pakistani player, but Bumrah is up there with Hasan as one of the most exciting fast bowling talents going around. I don't think any neutral will take Junaid over Bumrah which is always a good gut-check.

 

[BlackShadow]

Since when were Pak non-minnows? Both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have been ranked ahead of Pakistan for most of Bumrah's career.

 

[BlackShadow]

Bumrah is leagues ahead of Junaid, not even a contest.

 

[babajee]

Because 'completely outbowled in the last ICC tournament' doesn't say anything about their overall quality and is dangerous argument. That's just a very slippery slope to take, especially as a Pakistani fan where we've generally had a less than optimal record in big ICC tournaments, especially the world cup. How would you feel if that was used as the judging factor for Waqar Younis for example to denigrate his otherwise substantial achievements? I know it's fashionable to keep referring to the CT Final, but that was one of those special days that literally everything went Pakistan's way that I frankly cannot see happening repeatedly. But that's an argument for a different day.

In terms of comparable stats, most of Bumrah's stats are from the last two years, a period in which average scores have absolutely ballooned across all nations. I've seen Bumrah win India ODI's/T20's by defending runs in the very last over multiple times. Plus he's the current World Number 1 bowler as well, after India played a 6 match series away in South Africa. Plus I just looked at his stats; there have been only 3 occassions he's gone for an economy of more than 7 RPO in 37 games he's bowled in. Which is unbelievable, especially considering that India play on very batting friendly pitches especially at home.

I understand it's fashionable to always support the Pakistani player, but Bumrah is up there with Hasan as one of the most exciting fast bowling talents going around. I don't think any neutral will take Junaid over Bumrah which is always a good gut-check.

Performances in ICC tournaments is a very important factor when rating a player imo and is a black mark on Waqar’s legacy.

I’m not just referring to CT final - Bumrah was underwhelming throughout the CT despite being India’s main bowler whereas Junaid ended up as the 3rd best pacer.

The reason no neutral will take Junaid over Bumrah is because Junaid has always played second fiddle to another bowler and is underrated even though he is one of the main reasons Pakistan beat India, SA in ODI series and won the CT.

 

[WildSwing]

Performances in ICC tournaments is a very important factor when rating a player imo and is a black mark on Waqar’s legacy.

I am glad you feel that way, I guess you also rate Ashish nehra and zaheer khan as better bowlers than wasim akram and every other pakistani bowler except imran khan

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...late=results;trophy=12;trophy=44;type=bowling

 

[WildSwing]

I am glad you feel that way, I guess you also rate Ashish nehra and zaheer khan as better bowlers than wasim akram and every other pakistani bowler except imran khan

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...late=results;trophy=12;trophy=44;type=bowling

But wait, it gets even better, since ICC tournament finals and semi final performance is even more important, it shows that amarnath was greater than every pakistani bowler in history

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...late=results;trophy=12;trophy=44;type=bowling

 

[Mercurial]

Bumrah is leagues better than Junaid, a little better than Amir and on par with Hasan.

Hasan is better than Bumrah.

 

[Mueez]

Junaid.
Has ripped the Indian batting order in INDIA.
On the other end, there is a bowler who got FZ out on a no ball and lost the match for his team. )

 

[babajee]

I am glad you feel that way, I guess you also rate Ashish nehra and zaheer khan as better bowlers than wasim akram and every other pakistani bowler except imran khan

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...late=results;trophy=12;trophy=44;type=bowling

I said, “important factor”

So if two players have similar records, we should look to ICC tournament pertomances.

Zaheer averages 29 and Nehra 31 in ODIs

 

[babajee]

But wait, it gets even better, since ICC tournament finals and semi final performance is even more important, it shows that amarnath was greater than every pakistani bowler in history

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...late=results;trophy=12;trophy=44;type=bowling

Typical Indian clutching at straws.

Nowhere did I say ICC tournament performances are the ONLY way we should judge a player off.

 

[WildSwing]

I said, “important factor”

So if two players have similar records, we should look to ICC tournament pertomances.

Zaheer averages 29 and Nehra 31 in ODIs

How does bumrah having an odi average of 22 have a similar record to junaid khan who averages 29? Yoou are falling in your own trap )

 

[WildSwing]

Typical Indian clutching at straws.

Nowhere did I say ICC tournament performances are the ONLY way we should judge a player off.

Yes, I am the one clutching to the straws )

 

[babajee]

How does bumrah having an odi average of 22 have a similar record to junaid khan who averages 29? Yoou are falling in your own trap )

Bumrah has bashed Zimbabwe and SL which pulls that average down.

 

[WildSwing]

Bumrah has bashed Zimbabwe and SL which pulls that average down.

Changing goalposts again? At least stick to one argument