Jasprit Bumrah vs previous Indian pace bowlers - Why is he so much better?

[Rana]

His bowling action, run up, his physical presence and athleticism doesn't paint the picture of the man that is one of the best fast bowlers of his time. But the reality is, the guy is a phenomenal bowler. Not the fastest with the speed gun, but clearly when watching him, it seems as if he gives the least amount of time for Batsmen to pick a shot to play against him. Affectively, on view he looks like the quickest bowler in the world. He has the most accurate yorkers, he has a fantastic slower delivery. The question is, what makes him so much better than the fast bowlers India has produced in the past. None of them could ever reach the ATG status of bowlers like Wasim and Waqar, however they did have stints in their careers where they were bowling well. Besides, these were bowlers due to whom the Indian Batsmen knew they had to score big runs knowing they most probably would not be upto the mark in defending a mediocre score. Bumrah on the other hand is well on his way to become an ATG for India at least in the limited overs side of things

 

[rajimam]

Has Lasith Malinga reached ATG level?

 

[Rana]

Has Lasith Malinga reached ATG level?

Not sure what your argument here is, but Malinga would certainly make most people's all time Sri Lankan XI

 

[rajimam]

Not sure what your argument here is, but Malinga would certainly make most people's all time Sri Lankan XI

Similarity between these two.

However, Malinga has some historical spell but he is not an ATG (my opinion). I think Bumrah will follow same way. As we saw in CT final.

 

[jnaveen1980]

His accuracy with that awkward action is remarkable. He easily clocks 147 kph . He is not a medium pacer. One main difference between Malinga and Bumrah is height from which the ball is released. Malinga's action slingshot action so ball is released almost at eye level. Bumrah releases overhead. Both kind of deliveries pose different challenges as long as they get the length right.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

The guy has a brain unlike his predecessors which is what makes him so better.

 

[DRsohail]

brain and pace.

 

[IAJ]

Very fine bowler. His yorkers and slower balls or mostly on target and moreover I think his action confuses the batsmen. He lifts the whole indian bowling unit.

 

[Mamoon]

The best pacer in Asia at the moment after Hasan Ali, and clearly the best death bowler. Great find for India, could very well go onto to become their best pacer since Zaheer Khan.

 

[IAJ]

The best pacer in Asia at the moment after Hasan Ali, and clearly the best death bowler. Great find for India, could very well go onto to become their best pacer since Zaheer Khan.

In my opinion Mohammad Aamir is still better than Hasan.

 

[troodon]

Can guess what the batsman is going to do well
Yorkers
Well disguised slower one
Decent bouncer to prevent the batsman from charging down the wicket
Extracts seam movement off the pitch better than any bowler that played for India.
Pace between 135-145. Pace varies every ball.

I would also include B Kumar. He has almost the same qualities as Bumrah. But an inferior yorker and no bouncer. Has a great knuckle ball which was on full display yesterday. Totally fooled Kiwi batsmen.

The likes of Munaf, Dinda, Nehra, Praveen Kumar, Vinay Kumar and a whole train of trundlers never had any of the above. They were all line and length 125-135k bowlers. Come what may, they keep hitting the same length and are very predictable. Batsmen know what these bowlers do and they annihilate these hapless bowlers.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Hyperextending elbow gives him that extra nip off the surface which is harder for batsmen to negotiate.

 

[King-Misbah]

The best pacer in Asia at the moment after Hasan Ali, and clearly the best death bowler. Great find for India, could very well go onto to become their best pacer since Zaheer Khan.

Mohammed Amir says hi.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Nothing special so far...his ugly action makes me want to throw up
Too early to judge he needs to play some ODIs in SA,NZ,AUS and some more in England

He would not make it into our bowling side even as a backup

 

[troodon]

Nothing special so far...his ugly action makes me want to throw up
Too early to judge he needs to play some ODIs in SA,NZ,AUS and some more in England

He would not make it into our bowling side even as a backup

He can make it to Pak bowling line up if you stop bleeding green for a few moments.

 

[Bilal7]

He isn't. He just has not played enough and as a result, has not been exposed yet. He'll fall away just like B Kumar did and become another decent Indian bowler, with a few moments of fame here and there.

 

[Bilal7]

He can make it to Pak bowling line up if you stop bleeding green for a few moments.

On current form, he can definitely make it in ODIs as the third seamer, behind Hassan and Amir. Although Junaid will give him tough competition.

 

[Mamoon]

In my opinion Mohammad Aamir is still better than Hasan.

Mohammed Amir says hi.

Amir is not better than Hasan. However, his best is better than Bumrah's, but he only performs when he wants. That's not good enough.

 

[babajee]

His action.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

He can make it to Pak bowling line up if you stop bleeding green for a few moments.

Nope...on average he is as good as our Raees and I am sure Shinwari is also many times better..sorry no place for him

He is not that sort of a bowler who could rip thorugh the batting lineups like Hasan,Amir,Shinwari etc

Most of his wickets are openers in the first ten overs and tail enders in the last over his only good point is his accuracy that makes him get wickets when batsmen take him on other than that he is garbage...

Also he bottles it in important matches..

To be a bowler in the current Pak team you have to be extra extra special...maybe in Misbah's team he would have been the spearhead

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Athleticism?

He should remain effective as long he can maintain his pace.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Nope...on average he is as good as our Raees and I am sure Shinwari is also many times better..sorry no place for him

He is not that sort of a bowler who could rip thorugh the batting lineups like Hasan,Amir,Shinwari etc

Most of his wickets are openers in the first ten overs and tail enders in the last over his only good point is his accuracy that makes him get wickets when batsmen take him on other than that he is garbage...

Also he bottles it in important matches..

To be a bowler in the current Pak team you have to be extra extra special...maybe in Misbah's team he would have been the spearhead

Shinwari better? Comparing an International player who took 50 wickets with a newbie who's just 2 matches old? What a joke!

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Athleticism?

He should remain effective as long he can maintain his pace.

Shouldn't he alter his action though?

 

[todfod 11]

Nothing special its just the batsmen not reading him right. The day he got a good thrashing he wont be the bowler he is made out to be.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Shinwari better? Comparing an International player who took 50 wickets with a newbie who's just 2 matches old? What a joke!

That's the point..Bumrah even after playing so many matches I am yet to see him rip through the opposition like our bowlers do...until he does that he is garbage and will be lucky to make it into Pakistan A side for bowling

 

[IMMY69]

He’s certainly up there with best Indian bowlers of all time.
Truly outstanding is Bumrah.

 

[IMMY69]

Joking aside, he’s really not that special.. time must be really bad when a thread is set up to discuss Bumrah.

 

[Haz95]

He reminds me of that Bangladeshi pacer Al Amin Hossain. Very ugly action.

Don't see him as a world class potential who would also succeed in tests but he seems to have a thinking brain and some respectable tools. He's got good stats and it's not unreasonable to call him one of the better ODI pacers. Could end as a good LOI pacer but we know the story with Indian pacers and how poor India is at developing any fast bowler. Shami if he was taller would smoke any Indian pacer...even shorter Shami would tbf.

He's behind Amir and Hasan in the pecking order for sure when it comes to ranking asian pacers.

 

[Sachin136]

Joking aside, he’s really not that special.. time must be really bad when a thread is set up to discuss Bumrah.

He's ranked #3 in ODIs, ahead of Hazlewood, Rabada, Starc, Boult, Morkel and Amir, so he can't be that bad.

 

[akki]

yeah he wont make up in to pakistan team as if pakistan has been top n.o 1 odi team since years . he is a member of a team which consistently remain n.o 1 or top 2-3 teams in the world .
Would love to see pakistan series against a good quality team in future .

 

[troodon]

yeah he wont make up in to pakistan team as if pakistan has been top n.o 1 odi team since years . he is a member of a team which consistently remain n.o 1 or top 2-3 teams in the world .
Would love to see pakistan series against a good quality team in future .

Pakistan will be touring NZ in Jan.

Until then its all speculations.

Nobody is denying that Hasan and Amir are top class. But Pak posters discrediting Bumrah is a bit ridiculous. Only time will tell which one will go on to become a great bowler. As of now, all of Amir/Hasan/Bumrah arr just potentials who had great start.

I remember even Agarkar got to his 50 wickets in double quick time.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Shouldn't he alter his action though?

Too late for that. His action, especially, would take a few years to remodel. There's also no guarantee his body will respond to a conventional action.

 

[Rana]

Joking aside, he’s really not that special.. time must be really bad when a thread is set up to discuss Bumrah.

Do you even watch cricket?

 

[waleed88]

He is like Malinga, unconventionality with a bit of pace.

Sooner or later people will start reading his varieties and then it will be an issue for him how he adjusts.

 

[waleed88]

Also his action will/may cause him long term injuries if his work load isn't managed.

 

[GrandMaster]

He is like Malinga, unconventionality with a bit of pace.

Sooner or later people will start reading his varieties and then it will be an issue for him how he adjusts.

His action makes it difficult for batsmen to read what's coming.

 

[waleed88]

His action makes it difficult for batsmen to read what's coming.

Which is what I said here

 

[Finisher]

Bumrah is the best death bowler in world cricket now.

I remember his debut in IPL, bowling 130 and below getting carted around.

 

[IMMY69]

Pakistan will be touring NZ in Jan.

Until then its all speculations.

Nobody is denying that Hasan and Amir are top class. But Pak posters discrediting Bumrah is a bit ridiculous. Only time will tell which one will go on to become a great bowler. As of now, all of Amir/Hasan/Bumrah arr just potentials who had great start.

I remember even Agarkar got to his 50 wickets in double quick time.

Thank you!
Let’s wait and see for a few years before comparing him to previous bowlers and whilst we do that let’s remember the Khan’s, Nehra’s, Pathans, Srinaths etc etc...

 

[IMMY69]

Do you even watch cricket?

Not much... I think it involves a bat, a ball and Bumrah is the best bowler India has ever produced.

 

[IMMY69]

He's ranked #3 in ODIs, ahead of Hazlewood, Rabada, Starc, Boult, Morkel and Amir, so he can't be that bad.

No but it does show how poor the bowling is in general.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Basically comparing Bumrah to Hasan is like comparing Babar Azam to V Kohli
Very early to say anything but so far nothing special

Seems v hardworking and intelligent though..

 

[Snak3eye5]

What are bumrahs stats outside India and that would be the best indicator to show how good he is. He cannot be compared with Aamir, Hassan who are miles ahead of him. At best maybe compare him with other Indian bowlers...

 

[giri26]

What are bumrahs stats outside India and that would be the best indicator to show how good he is. He cannot be compared with Aamir, Hassan who are miles ahead of him. At best maybe compare him with other Indian bowlers...

Jasprit Bumrah outside India has 52 wickets in 28 games (T20 and ODIs combined stats) at an average of 16.57. He has done very well for India over the last couple of years. I remember him bowling very well last year in T20's in Australia.But again these are early days and I would like to see how he develops.

 

[Sachin136]

What are bumrahs stats outside India and that would be the best indicator to show how good he is. He cannot be compared with Aamir, Hassan who are miles ahead of him. At best maybe compare him with other Indian bowlers...

Bumrah has great stats outside India (which giri26 posted), but in ODIs, wickets are flat most of the time anywhere in the world. If anything, stats show that India is the easiest to score in (although that might have to do with Indian batsmen being some of the best in the world).

 

[cricketjoshila]

Basically comparing Bumrah to Hasan is like comparing Babar Azam to V Kohli
Very early to say anything but so far nothing special

Seems v hardworking and intelligent though..

Bumrah and Hasan have similar number of wickets. Bumrah avgs around 22 with the ball in ODIs.

Lol at Babar Azam vs Kohli comparision.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

A gun bowler. Really good for an Indian pacer. But he seems like Mustafizur to me...

I honestly thought that Aaron/'the other not very tall guy, forgot his name' would be the future of Indian bowling. But like all promising Indians pacers they went into oblivion.

Hopefully, same thing won't happen to JB.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Bumrah and Hasan have similar number of wickets. Bumrah avgs around 22 with the ball in ODIs.

Lol at Babar Azam vs Kohli comparision.

Bumrah is a very very poor guy's hassan
His action makes me want to throw up

All his wickets are because of batsmen trying to take him on..he cannot rip the opposition like our bowlers do...

If you go by averages then even Babar Azam is better than Kohli AND he has a century vs Australia in Australia an achievement not many greats could achieve..but we all know Kohli is million times better...

 

[maxamax]

Stop glorifying a decent bowler. Just bcuz India has found one doesnt mean that he's ATG.

 

[Sachin136]

Bumrah is a very very poor guy's hassan
His action makes me want to throw up

All his wickets are because of batsmen trying to take him on..he cannot rip the opposition like our bowlers do...

If you go by averages then even Babar Azam is better than Kohli AND he has a century vs Australia in Australia an achievement not many greats could achieve..but we all know Kohli is million times better...

How his action looks doesn't matter. I hate watching Smith bat but he's the best test batsmen in the world.

I don't think you've watched him bowl much. Batsmen have a lot of trouble playing him at all, let alone try to take him on.

Using averages to compare Hasan and Bumrah is okay because they have played a similar amount of matches. That's not the case with Kohli and Babar.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

I don't think people are current in their watching of games that Bumrah is playing, so their skepticism is understandable.

Bumrah is improving his skills rapidly enough to warrant speculation on how far he will go. Every game he has gotten seriously better. I didn't rate him for the longest time, after this series with NZ I do.

Whether he can make it to Tests- the actual measure of greatness, IMO- is an open question. But he is a remarkable talent.

....
His action makes me want to throw up.....

That's not really any criteria. Chanderpaul's stance as a batsman was really really outré, but hey..

 

[squarecut]

Why do you want to convince people who will not get convinced. One can be just happy to have someone like Bumrah in one's team. So what if he ranks low in the rankings of some biased fans.

 

[ind_win]

He is the reason Ind lost CT. He is the reason Ind won 3-4 series, 2 of them last NZ series. Personally, I would accept and forgive, if he is instrumental in defeating Pak. That CT final was not a loss, it was a painful loss. It was like Zaheer to Mat Hayden in wc 2003. One mistake and never recovered. And I give Amir total credit for getting Kohli exposed, after Mitch Johnson wc 2015. still, Bumra is best because he doesnt get injured, only he knows and touch wood, like Shami. I would like to see that duo ripping SA apart in jan 2019

 

[Dingolfy]

He is the reason Ind lost CT. He is the reason Ind won 3-4 series, 2 of them last NZ series. Personally, I would accept and forgive, if he is instrumental in defeating Pak. That CT final was not a loss, it was a painful loss. It was like Zaheer to Mat Hayden in wc 2003. One mistake and never recovered. And I give Amir total credit for getting Kohli exposed, after Mitch Johnson wc 2015. still, Bumra is best because he doesnt get injured, only he knows and touch wood, like Shami. I would like to see that duo ripping SA apart in jan 2019

Lol at people claiming Bumrah is the reason for the CT loss.What were the other bowlers doing then? And also how about the batsmen who couldnt even score 200.If any, the blame should go to Kohli for deciding to bat second in a final that too against Pakistan whose bowling were in red-hot form but struggled to chase even 230 against Lankans.

 

[ind_win]

I limited my comments to bumra.I did not tear him apart like many do online.Kohli in finals is a no show, if I remember right he averages around 25 in 12 finals. So, that is kohli's part and that is his -ve from my point of view. If you read my comments, I gave praise too and I did not crucify him like people did to chetan sharma in 1986. As for batting is concerned, three dead weights dhoni, karthik and even dhawan have to be replaced. Of those three, dhawan could be recalled for Icc tournaments. I cannot explain all my viewpoints to you and I believe I have my right as an avid cricket watcher to give credit who I think deserve and to the points they do not.

 

[ind_win]

Contu to my previous post: the dead weights for Ct were dhoni, yuvraj and jadhav...but I am ready to let jadhav go somewhat becasuse the MOST talented Rohit did nothing great for 60-70 games and so was Jadeja...

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bumrah is a very very poor guy's hassan
His action makes me want to throw up

All his wickets are because of batsmen trying to take him on..he cannot rip the opposition like our bowlers do...

If you go by averages then even Babar Azam is better than Kohli AND he has a century vs Australia in Australia an achievement not many greats could achieve..but we all know Kohli is million times better...

There is little difference in the number of matches and number of wickets taken of Bumrah and Hassan so their stats are comparable.This cannot rip opposition theory doesnot wash as rankings show India is a much better team.Rankings also show that Hassan is no.1 and Bumrah no.3.


Coming to Kohli and Babbar Azam, Kohli has maintained this avg over 9000 odis runs, how many does Azam have?

There is little difference in Odi performances of Hassan and Bumrah,Hassan is slightly ahead.

 

[Hasan123]

Bumrah is a good LO bowler. He has improved since his debut. Would like to see how he does away from India. So far so good though.

 

[in_cutter]

In my opinion Mohammad Aamir is still better than Hasan.

On what basis though..once in a blue moon performances?

 

[in_cutter]

Bumrah’s pace is deceptive for a short run-up. Has brains to go with pace. But the ugliest bowling action going.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

There is little difference in the number of matches and number of wickets taken of Bumrah and Hassan so their stats are comparable.This cannot rip opposition theory doesnot wash as rankings show India is a much better team.Rankings also show that Hassan is no.1 and Bumrah no.3.


Coming to Kohli and Babbar Azam, Kohli has maintained this avg over 9000 odis runs, how many does Azam have?

There is little difference in Odi performances of Hassan and Bumrah,Hassan is slightly ahead.

Hassan is slightly ahead?
Is this a joke?
CT Gold Bowler of the tournament vs Bumrah is laughable to say the least...
Cannot rip the opposition 'theory' is true
You wann know how to rip through the opposition? go watch highlights of Amir's bowling in the CT final..oh wait that will make you cry
No indian pacer in history is as good as Hassan/Amir except Kapil Dev..Comparing Bumrah is a joke..

Yes Indian team is better as seen in the CT Final..current Pakistan team under Sarfaraz are much better..rankings do not show only 2017..

 

[90MPH]

I rated him the first time I saw him 2 years ago in Australia.

He has a very good Yorker and he can make the new ball talk.

He can still get hit with the new ball as he's sometimes unsure of his lengths but with the old ball he knows exactly what to do and executes his yorkers well - which is rare for a Indian pace bowler.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hassan is slightly ahead?
Is this a joke?
CT Gold Bowler of the tournament vs Bumrah is laughable to say the least...
Cannot rip the opposition 'theory' is true
You wann know how to rip through the opposition? go watch highlights of Amir's bowling in the CT final..oh wait that will make you cry
No indian pacer in history is as good as Hassan/Amir except Kapil Dev..Comparing Bumrah is a joke..

Yes Indian team is better as seen in the CT Final..current Pakistan team under Sarfaraz are much better..rankings do not show only 2017..

Rankings show what teams have done over a long period and not flash in the pan performances.

Yes Hassan is only slightly ahead.

You want to see how to perform over a long period of time and not have flash in the pan performances and be stuck at no.6 watch the top 3 teams play.


Amir and Hassan are not even fit to tie Kapil Dev's shoelaces.And at this moment Shami is a better bowler than Amir or Hassan.

 

[Kashmirilion]

Lol at some bias Pakistani fans. If you truly love the game of cricket without bias you accept the truth regardless if the player is from the side of your biggest rival. I was also denial, when kohli was scoring centuries left right and centre, I was telling my mates how it's just a purple patch and that patch will end soon, oh boy was I proven wrong.

Anyhows back on topic. I follow cricket closely and this bumrah kid is amazing forget comparing him to XYZ or whether his action is ugly or not the lad gets the job done and is one of the most consistent bowlers in limited overs cricket regardless of opposition or where he plays, couple of posters say he dont Rip through teams etc, I believe teams don't attack him as much as he is so consistent with his lines n lengths they just play him. He don't Rip through teams but I hardly seen any team rip him apart either. He's stats speak for themselves. He is very smart clever bowler with all the tools in the bag, he will only get better. For India's sake hope he don't fall away like the Pathans etc.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Bumrah is arguably the best Asian pacer right now. Shami, Yadav and Ishant Sharma are a close second. Infact had Shami not been injured a lot, he would have given ATG Asian pace bowlers a run for their money by now. The rest have a lot of catching up to do match these world-class superstars.

Before someone comes in with Pakistan bowlers and the Champions Trophy, it was obviously a fluke. India was the strongest bowling attack in the tournament by far, but due to those ICC umpires who no-balled Bumrah when they shouldn't have, India had to somehow settle for being second best (only by a very small margin though).

 

[Snak3eye5]

Bumrah is arguably the best Asian pacer right now. Shami, Yadav and Ishant Sharma are a close second. Infact had Shami not been injured a lot, he would have given ATG Asian pace bowlers a run for their money by now. The rest have a lot of catching up to do match these world-class superstars.

Before someone comes in with Pakistan bowlers and the Champions Trophy, it was obviously a fluke. India was the strongest bowling attack in the tournament by far, but due to those ICC umpires who no-balled Bumrah when they shouldn't have, India had to somehow settle for being second best (only by a very small margin though).

It annoys me to no end when someone claims any type of win as a fluke. Ever heard of the term "Any given Sunday" Its a common term in nfl football played in USA. It means on any given Sunday when a NFL team plays another it's anybodys game. Pakistan was the better team that day and beat an over confident Indian team fair and square. In fact I would challenge anyone to prove me otherwise how did India loose if they weren't outmatched by Pakistan in every facet of the game, bowing batting and fielding.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Bumrah is arguably the best Asian pacer right now. Shami, Yadav and Ishant Sharma are a close second. Infact had Shami not been injured a lot, he would have given ATG Asian pace bowlers a run for their money by now. The rest have a lot of catching up to do match these world-class superstars.

Before someone comes in with Pakistan bowlers and the Champions Trophy, it was obviously a fluke. India was the strongest bowling attack in the tournament by far, but due to those ICC umpires who no-balled Bumrah when they shouldn't have, India had to somehow settle for being second best (only by a very small margin though).

Hahahahah you see trolling is fun ?
Aisay he becharay aik bnday ki letay ho tum log when its clear he is just trolling.

 

[The_Odd_One]

I think Srinath wa better. He had such a smooth action, bowled fast, and could swing the ball.

 

[Titan24]

Action of Bumrah and Al Amin of Bangladesh, hands down the most un easy things in cricket to watch.

While Al Amin chucks clearly, Bumrah with this action wont last long in international circuit I guess as such actions are prone to back injuries.

 

[austerlitz]

Action of Bumrah and Al Amin of Bangladesh, hands down the most un easy things in cricket to watch.

While Al Amin chucks clearly, Bumrah with this action wont last long in international circuit I guess as such actions are prone to back injuries.

He doesn't play tests so the strain is much much less.

 

[hadi123]

One thing he needs to work on is limiting his no balls. Bowled a couple today as well and got Tharanga out of a no ball

 

[Saurav]

he goes the extra inch

 

[DRsohail]

And Tharanga scored a match winning knock.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I don't think there is a No ball problem like everyone is making it out to be, however, he clearly needs to start bowling short. He's going to look good but won't pick too many wickets making the batsmen play and miss.