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Jayalalitha: The photograph 'ruling' an Indian state

BBC reporting her death?



Suffered cardiac arrest.. Let's wait for confirmed news about her death.. sometimes the news gets hidden for a while till adequate security measures are put in place to prevent mass suicide and worse riots like we have seen previously.. Indian public is a bit stupid in this regard commit suicide over people who have been looting them for years..
 
A couple of our presidents were from TN - R. Venkataraman and Dr. Abdul Kalam.

i know

was asking PM as he is more important and actually has powers and importance
 
i know

was asking PM as he is more important and actually has powers and importance

We had Deva Gowda from Karnataka as PM for a brief period. At that time the government actually worked since he used to sleep for most of the time in Parliament and qualfiied people used to take care of things.
 
Her cult status in Tamil Nadu means that things will turn nasty if/when she dies. The authorities won't announce it straight away, they'll wait until security is significantly beefed up.
 
Everything on alert,offices,schools colleges being let out early all 3rd world country signs.
 
Things seem to be looking very grave.. [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] how are things over there?
 
Things seem to be looking very grave.. [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] how are things over there?

There is a buzz on the roads and the vehicles are moving at a frenetic pace. The security is getting beefed up, although things might turn nasty anytime when an official statement comes out. If there is one thing that tamils like, it's cult worship in everything. So expect some reaction.
 
Things seem to be looking very grave.. [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] how are things over there?

Jayalalitha has passed away.

Dunno why these English news channels are delaying it a bit.

Very very very sad day for Tamil Nadu.

We are now left with fools, looters, rapists to lead our state.

Jaya was our only hope (egomaniac but a very very intelligent and shrewd person) and now she is no more.

I don't even know what's gonna happen now.
 
lol what the hell...

Sun TV saying Jaya died.

Jaya TV saying Jaya died...now getting treated...

English channels saying she is getting treated

fools....
 
Jayalalitha has passed away.

Dunno why these English news channels are delaying it a bit.

Very very very sad day for Tamil Nadu.

We are now left with fools, looters, rapists to lead our state.

Jaya was our only hope (egomaniac but a very very intelligent and shrewd person) and now she is no more.

I don't even know what's gonna happen now.

She was truly a brave woman. RIP.

Fought a lot of battles all alone , and won many of them.

I think that the Dravidian movement is finished in TN now. AIADMK will just be a shell without Jayalalithaa and the DMK is already finished for all intents and purposes.

It looks like the Congress and BJP will make inroads into TN now.
 
She was truly a brave woman. RIP.

Fought a lot of battles all alone , and won many of them.

I think that the Dravidian movement is finished in TN now. AIADMK will just be a shell without Jayalalithaa and the DMK is already finished for all intents and purposes.

It looks like the Congress and BJP will make inroads into TN now.

Congi and BJP will win nothing in TN for the time being.

AIADMK was known to be finished even after MGR death but someone came through. But right now, things look very bleak. This Paneerselvam guy was a driver I heard during MGR days.

Stalin will lead DMK.

DMK knows how to build proper dynasties sadly. Jaya was beginning to squash them mercilessly but just like MGR, her death gives a great opportunity for DMK.
 
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Lmao I'm stuck outside, scampering home before goons start creating a ruckus. This feels like an action movie.
 
Socially AIADMK was far better than DMK hope the Dravidian parties don't become big again,Karunanidhi is still alive how the hell and Stalin a grandfather is considered youth leader man wth!
 
Socially AIADMK was far better than DMK hope the Dravidian parties don't become big again,Karunanidhi is still alive how the hell and Stalin a grandfather is considered youth leader man wth!

People who were waiting for his death have died, taken rebirth and died again.

But he will never die.
 
People who were waiting for his death have died, taken rebirth and died again.

But he will never die.

A lot of people actually claim that's a robot :))) ,although its surprising how he manages to speak on issues even at that age.
AIADMK historically has been better to non-Tamilians than say DMK but for Chennai in terms of business DMK has done more although socially AIADMK is better but goons are goons anywhere they go.

If Vijaykanth was decent enough the guy could had won next elections now it might end up being about Stalin,worst would be to see Ramadoss PMK coming in,luckily except Vaaniyars they would hardly manage to get all castes to vote for them.
 
Congi and BJP will win nothing in TN for the time being.

AIADMK was known to be finished even after MGR death but someone came through. But right now, things look very bleak. This Paneerselvam guy was a driver I heard during MGR days.

Stalin will lead DMK.

DMK knows how to build proper dynasties sadly. Jaya was beginning to squash them mercilessly but just like MGR, her death gives a great opportunity for DMK.

AIADMK was never finished after MGR for the simple reason that he had the wisdom to groom Jayalalithaa as successor.

Jayalalithaa has not groomed any successor. Without her, AIADMK is finished.

Stalin is hardly a successor to Karunanidhi. He doesn't command a tenth of the respect that Karunanidhi does. Further, there is a power struggle between him, Azhagiri and some say even Kanimozhi, which will no doubt come into the open after Karunanidhi finally passes away. The party will split into two, maybe into three.

Basically, in the current set up there is no young leader with even a fraction of charisma that the likes of Jayalaithaa, MGR or Karunanidhi had. The Dravidian movement is finished.

Only Rajnikant can save TN now :-). Thalaiva to the rescue!
 
AIADMK was never finished after MGR for the simple reason that he had the wisdom to groom Jayalalithaa as successor.

Jayalalithaa has not groomed any successor. Without her, AIADMK is finished.

Stalin is hardly a successor to Karunanidhi. He doesn't command a tenth of the respect that Karunanidhi does. Further, there is a power struggle between him, Azhagiri and some say even Kanimozhi, which will no doubt come into the open after Karunanidhi finally passes away. The party will split into two, maybe into three.

Basically, in the current set up there is no young leader with even a fraction of charisma that the likes of Jayalaithaa, MGR or Karunanidhi had. The Dravidian movement is finished.

Only Rajnikant can save TN now :-). Thalaiva to the rescue!

1. When MGR died, Jaya wasn't the natural successor. People expected MGR's wife Janaki to win but Jaya came out of nowhere and won it. Of course, she must have had some clout in party but she was able to connect with masses which no one could have predicted. Right now, Sasikala has a lot of clout in party so she will either be a king maker or be thrown out by rivals. You never know who can come up and connect with the masses. So its not really finished.

2. Stalin is no match for Karunanithi's ability to connect with masses but he knows how to lead a party and is a workable solution under the DMK banner. Azhagiri has an issue with him but the party backs him so what can happen (after Karu's death) is Azhagiri will split up and contest under his own party and lose handsomely. Azhagiri is a goon of goons. No charisma...no brains. He has no political future. Kanimozhi is a joke.

3. AIADMK and DMK is still alive. The only way to vanquish them would be if a party brings on a charismatic leader whom Tamilians can connect with and he turns out to be a great CM and stays long enough for these parties to self destruct. If that guy joins any of these parties (mainly AIADMK), then even that won't happen.

4. Tamilians won't be voting for any party who will have a dummy CM who will be taking instructions from the high command in the centre. I don't see it happening for now.
 
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Say what you want, but she is an absolute legend. when you are in the system...you have to be part of it but she did a lot of good. But what a ferocious leader she was....

I believe they are just delaying the news because of security reasons...and to be ready for the reactions. It is is going to be madness in tamil nadu...
 
Don't know the reasons behind her popularity, but people seem to be acting incredibly stupid. This is crazy.
 
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Incredible scenes on TV.

She seems to be a Demi-God for millions in Tamilnadu. Hope no one commits suicide in case she expires.

To Tamil Friends, if Jaya Lalita passes away, is there anyone to take over or this will be the end of AIADMK?
 
Some of the posts in this thread are :facepalm: luckily Marathi people aren't stereotyped.

On topic, this part of south I have never understood, actors and politicians are revered like gods. Why do you create ruckus when it's a natural death!!
 
AIADMK was never finished after MGR for the simple reason that he had the wisdom to groom Jayalalithaa as successor.

Jayalalithaa has not groomed any successor. Without her, AIADMK is finished.

Stalin is hardly a successor to Karunanidhi. He doesn't command a tenth of the respect that Karunanidhi does. Further, there is a power struggle between him, Azhagiri and some say even Kanimozhi, which will no doubt come into the open after Karunanidhi finally passes away. The party will split into two, maybe into three.

Basically, in the current set up there is no young leader with even a fraction of charisma that the likes of Jayalaithaa, MGR or Karunanidhi had. The Dravidian movement is finished.

Only ILAYALATHALAPATHY SURA VIJAY can save TN now :-). Thalaiva to the rescue!

Corrected for accuracy.
 
Don't know the reasons behind her popularity, but people seem to be acting incredibly stupid. This is crazy.

Incredible scenes on TV.

She seems to be a Demi-God for millions in Tamilnadu. Hope no one commits suicide in case she expires.

To Tamil Friends, if Jaya Lalita passes away, is there anyone to take over or this will be the end of AIADMK?

And you wonder why they make fun of India....

They are paid supporters, they get 500 Rs, Biryani lunch parcel and the men get a small alcohol bottle.
 
Wouldnt the hospital know more than any local channels?

Yes....the local channels said news came from hospital.

Generally Jaya TV is the most optimistic channel when it comes to Jayalalitha. When they too said she was dead, its hard not to believe.

But I guess there might have been a massive misinterpretation which led to this embarrasing fiasco.

Or its totally possible she is dead for hours now and everything is kept under wraps to make all the necessary arrangements to have the law and order situation in control. Army forces are situated in and around TN to make sure law and order is maintained.

When it comes to these issues, anything can happen.
 
There was mystery surrounding MGR's death too if I am not wrong. I mean the exact time he died.
 
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Incredible scenes on TV.

She seems to be a Demi-God for millions in Tamilnadu. Hope no one commits suicide in case she expires.

To Tamil Friends, if Jaya Lalita passes away, is there anyone to take over or this will be the end of AIADMK?

AIADMK won't end for the time being.

You forgot the sympathy vote factor. :))

But next leader situation does look bleak for now. Have to wait and see. Down the road, someone will emerge for sure.
 
And you wonder why they make fun of India....

They are paid supporters, they get 500 Rs, Biryani lunch parcel and the men get a small alcohol bottle.

I doubt all are paid supporters.

My Dad was blown away by the support she got when he visited southern TN. She helped so many people get their lands back after DMK grabbed them and they are eternally grateful to her for that.

In random agricultural meetings there, you will see posters of Jayalalitha. Without ANY incentives given to anyone.
 
I doubt all are paid supporters.

My Dad was blown away by the support she got when he visited southern TN. She helped so many people get their lands back after DMK grabbed them and they are eternally grateful to her for that.

In random agricultural meetings there, you will see posters of Jayalalitha. Without ANY incentives given to anyone.

Karunanidhi is the biggest crook, he used to play with caste long time ago in 60s and 70s, despite the entire Dravidian movement being against caste. I remember even roads, lighting and crimes getting much better when I lived in India during Jayalalitha's power.
 
If she were to die and her supporter cause chaos for some reason, the military should come in and beat the crap out of everyone who pose any threat to the public. Disgusting people.
 
Over dramatic depressing music are going all over the Tv, Sun Tv is playing some movie.
 
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Genuine question but why would people start trashing the place and attacking people now she's dead. I mean she died naturally I get the sadness but why the rage and violence.
 
Genuine question but why would people start trashing the place and attacking people now she's dead. I mean she died naturally I get the sadness but why the rage and violence.

Welcome to India. Especially South India. We have a tendency to take out the anger and frustration on objects that cannot talk or move.
Tamilnadu takes the concept of cult following to a new level.
 
Genuine question but why would people start trashing the place and attacking people now she's dead. I mean she died naturally I get the sadness but why the rage and violence.

It's madness and illogical. Not only that, many people will now commit suicide to prove how upset they are at this politicians passing.
 
There is a buzz on the roads and the vehicles are moving at a frenetic pace. The security is getting beefed up, although things might turn nasty anytime when an official statement comes out. If there is one thing that tamils like, it's cult worship in everything. So expect some reaction.

Jayalalitha has passed away.

Dunno why these English news channels are delaying it a bit.

Very very very sad day for Tamil Nadu.

We are now left with fools, looters, rapists to lead our state.

Jaya was our only hope (egomaniac but a very very intelligent and shrewd person) and now she is no more.

I don't even know what's gonna happen now.

Wasn't she corrupt? I mean if you consider a corrupt person as your only hope then there is seriously lot wrong with the mindset of people and politicians of the state/country.. Due to corrupt people like her poor people and senior citizens are dying standing in bank lines..

Anyways god will be the true judge of her deeds now..
 
Say what you want, but she is an absolute legend. when you are in the system...you have to be part of it but she did a lot of good. But what a ferocious leader she was....

I believe they are just delaying the news because of security reasons...and to be ready for the reactions. It is is going to be madness in tamil nadu...



Wanted to get an idea about why someone from TN revere her so much? My understanding is she was extremely corrupt, was that not the case?
 
It's madness and illogical. Not only that, many people will now commit suicide to prove how upset they are at this politicians passing.

Don't believe those stories ever. Most of those "suicides" during these times are actually murders, they use this time to eliminate the bad sheeps inside the party, among party members and supporters. There are only about few people that have actually killed themselves for a cause, generally they are genuine activists and farmers.
 
Wanted to get an idea about why someone from TN revere her so much? My understanding is she was extremely corrupt, was that not the case?

Not that corrupt. Especially not anywhere corrupt as Karunanidhi, that guy's daughter alone with one of his minister was responsible for the 2g scam, which was a US $600,000,000 scam ? LOL. All his grand kids produce and act in their own movies with top actress and you wanna break their tv when ever they come on screen. Police actually have power under her, under Karunanidhi even the cops were corrupt and the public couldn't trust the police.
 
Wasn't she corrupt? I mean if you consider a corrupt person as your only hope then there is seriously lot wrong with the mindset of people and politicians of the state/country.. Due to corrupt people like her poor people and senior citizens are dying standing in bank lines..

Anyways god will be the true judge of her deeds now..

She was corrupt and jailed for it. Why people worship her so much is beyond me.
 
Not that corrupt. Especially not anywhere corrupt as Karunanidhi, that guy's daughter alone with one of his minister was responsible for the 2g scam, which was a US $600,000,000 scam ? LOL. All his grand kids produce and act in their own movies with top actress and you wanna break their tv when ever they come on screen. Police actually have power under her, under Karunanidhi even the cops were corrupt and the public couldn't trust the police.


Of course I agree DMK after 2G everyone in India knew is one of the most corrupt parties no doubt.. But that doesn't hide AIADMK'a corruption nor does it justify that in any case right? Are you from TN also? What are your view on her corruption? Is it that since she was the lesser of the two evils people revere her?

I mean in our part we have SP and BSP both are corrupt but I would never revere either of them but seeing the public reaction after death of someone who has looted thousands of crores of your and mine money and is indirectly responsible for many death due to poverty and recently due to demonetisation it just baffles me.. How stupid and easily fooled can humans be?

Or is it that people of TN believe all corruption cases against her were fabricated and she was not corrupt?
 
She was corrupt and jailed for it. Why people worship her so much is beyond me.


Exactly it's baffling to me.. That's why I wanna hear someone from TN POV.. [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] @trodoon
 
you have to be in the system to be part of the system. So some sort of corruption goes hand in hand in India's politics...but she was no where as corrupt...even her corruption charge was for a mere 50 crores...and she has no kids or no relatives to be corrupt for. Most of the corruption was done by her close confidante sasikala's family..and when she came to know of it...she removed the whole family from the party. And whatever development that happened in TN happened with her in the govt.
 
Exactly it's baffling to me.. That's why I wanna hear someone from TN POV.. [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] @trodoon

Not a Tamil bro.
 
Of course I agree DMK after 2G everyone in India knew is one of the most corrupt parties no doubt.. But that doesn't hide AIADMK'a corruption nor does it justify that in any case right? Are you from TN also? What are your view on her corruption? Is it that since she was the lesser of the two evils people revere her?

I mean in our part we have SP and BSP both are corrupt but I would never revere either of them but seeing the public reaction after death of someone who has looted thousands of crores of your and mine money and is indirectly responsible for many death due to poverty and recently due to demonetisation it just baffles me.. How stupid and easily fooled can humans be?

Or is it that people of TN believe all corruption cases against her were fabricated and she was not corrupt?

I'm a Tamil Hindu from SL, but I lived 7 years of my life in TN and we associate with each other much more. Line drew by the white man don't separate us. Anyway, there is no non-corrupt party. Even if Jayalalitha didn't corrupt, her ministers and people that know her will try to take advantage of her. Not saying she doesn't loot money, but her corruption charges were something like 5 to 10 crores. Which is comparably much less than Karunanidhis' 10,000s to 100,000 crores looting estimate. You can even watch her youtube bbc interviews, she was a good leader, she was professional. Out of all the realistic candidates, she was the best choice. I think she paid herself certain amount cause she just felt like

Karunanidhi used her former partner MGR and his acting skills and fame, but MGR realized this started his own party and that is how ADMK(AIADMK) came about. MGR was much bigger than Rajnikanth in TN, he wasn't well known through out India then due to lack of technology. During MGR days as CM, even Tamil schools in SL received lot of funding, mostly for breakfast nutrition, chalkboards, chalk piece and so on. MGR was a very good man and there was never any corruption accusations.
 
Exactly it's baffling to me.. That's why I wanna hear someone from TN POV.. [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] @trodoon

As I grew older i realized leaders cannot be judged based on black and white scenarios.The Dravidian parties whom I have nothing to like brought a massive social movement in the 40's 50s thereby letting lot of OBC,MBC castes rise.

Similarly eventhough one may see her as a corrupt leader a person should remember she was in the Indian system where she had to do good inspite of the system bringing her down anything and everything is political and she managed to do a lot of good things in that scenario.
 
And you wonder why they make fun of India....

They are paid supporters, they get 500 Rs, Biryani lunch parcel and the men get a small alcohol bottle.

To an extent this is true, but whats also true is that people are crazy. They treat their politicians and stars like demigods, and this is to be expected.
 
Exactly it's baffling to me.. That's why I wanna hear someone from TN POV.. [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] @trodoon

You have to understand the difference in political culture between Tamil Nadu and the rest of the states. Tamil Nadu is a pretty conservative state where people love their cult personalities. Combination leaders and national alliances never work here as much as individual leaders. Other states must have had atleast 10 CMs but TN has had just about 3 or 4 CMs in the last 50 years. Populist cult leaders appeal more to the masses than the other normal politicians. You could say that's naivety but that's how politics work here.

Both parties are indeed corrupt and I'm not really a fan of both eventhough every family in TN leans towards one party or the other. Jayalalitha was mired in disproportionate assets case for a long time and her first term was her worst and most when she lavished public money for her personal interests like the marriage of her aide's nephew, etc. Of course the family politics of Karunanidhi and their corruption is well known. I'm not really a fan of Jaya, but I have to admit that her later terms especially the last one was very good and relatively corruption free. Perhaps her biggest achievement was the enormous heights she rose as a lone woman in a deeply conservative state amidst the male chauvinistic society and political system of India. Indira Gandhi was the last powerful woman leader that India had but even she had a family system to launch from. Jaya was a fully self made woman and you could see her grit and will power in the many interviews she has given (see her interview in the devil's advocate with Karan Thapar. Poor guy ended up getting roasted by her).

She hardly gave a damn about higher powers and never shied away from voicing strong opinions, which is pretty incredible in a male dominant society of ours. She tended to be a bit autocratic and the sycophantic adulation she commanded from her party workers might be a cringeworthy, but she wouldn't have reached the heights she reached if she was soft in our society. But her biggest achievement, by far, has been improving the role of women in TN. She empowered women in the state, made reservations for them in the police force, gave 50% subsidies on scooters for them, reduced female infanticide and brought about a lot of maternal welfare programmes. That the state is arguably the safest for women is a lot due to her contributions.

The Dravidian parties give away a lot of freebies every election which could be interpreted as blatant vote bank politics. But the difference was that while both parties were indeed corrupt, both of them made sure to implement a lot of welfare programmes for the poor and the downtrodden. For the poor who spends everyday in uncertainty, he hardly cares about which MNC company invests in the state. But essential amenities in life provided free or in subsidies will appeal the most to him and make a huge difference in their lives, which is why they are populist cult leaders and you see such mass cult worship. Despite the corruption charges of the Dravidian parties, TN has made massive improvement in almost all the indices and is among the top 3 states of India. It has excellent primary health care system and great health indices, and contributes the 2nd largest economic output to India after Maharashtra. So the political scene is not so simple as black and white.

To put it simply, they like all other politicians indulged in corruption but almost always made sure they implemented a lot of welfare programmes for the less privileged strata of the society and hence their mass appeal. Both Karunanidhi and Jayalalitha are charismatic leaders and they sway the masses through their charismatic personalities and speeches. Both have excellent oratory skills and they attract you through their way of speech, just like MGR or Annadurai did in the past. But there are no leaders of remotely similar caliber after both of them which will leave a huge void in the TN political scene after them.
 
Wasn't she corrupt? I mean if you consider a corrupt person as your only hope then there is seriously lot wrong with the mindset of people and politicians of the state/country.. Due to corrupt people like her poor people and senior citizens are dying standing in bank lines..

Anyways god will be the true judge of her deeds now..

Of course I agree DMK after 2G everyone in India knew is one of the most corrupt parties no doubt.. But that doesn't hide AIADMK'a corruption nor does it justify that in any case right? Are you from TN also? What are your view on her corruption? Is it that since she was the lesser of the two evils people revere her?

I mean in our part we have SP and BSP both are corrupt but I would never revere either of them but seeing the public reaction after death of someone who has looted thousands of crores of your and mine money and is indirectly responsible for many death due to poverty and recently due to demonetisation it just baffles me.. How stupid and easily fooled can humans be?

Or is it that people of TN believe all corruption cases against her were fabricated and she was not corrupt?

Exactly it's baffling to me.. That's why I wanna hear someone from TN POV.. [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] @trodoon

Let's look at various things one by one.

I mean if you consider a corrupt person as your only hope then there is seriously lot wrong with the mindset of people and politicians of the state/country

First of all, she did do corruption for her gain. That's true. So let's get that out of the way.

Now corruption is not something that few do in politics. Every single political party is corrupt in India. Every single one of them does it (maybe AAP does not cos they collect donations but even they could be doing it).

You CANNOT run a political party in India without the extra funds to manage your cadres. National parties make their money in big dealings while regional parties have to do it in a more ugly way but everyone does it. Even the non-corrupt leaders in a political party do corruption for the sake of bringing in funds to run the party of they turn a blind eye to those who do it and let them do the dirty work for the party. Of course, there are also cases where they turn blind eye to not mess the dynamics of power equilibrium.

When my Dad was heading a company that was doing business with govt, he saw a lot of stuff. He has had to sometimes "deal" with politicians whose names would be easily recognizable if I had to mention them here. Corruption was rampant (still is). Once an iconic politician of a national party wanted to get into manufacturing materials that army mens wear (it was not even the area of focus of the company my Dad was heading) and the goal was to make slightly inferior materials and profit from them.

Yes, you read that right. Its a bizarre story. My dad was very very uncomfortable (but the owner wanted to go ahead)...thankfully the deal went down. I don't want to go into more details. This is the level. This doesn't mean the other national party is a saint. Is khel me SAB NALAYAK hain.

Corruption happens everywhere.

But people are sympathetic if you don't steal from the poor or you don't do corruption to increase your wealth. Jayalalitha did some corruption to increase her wealth. She got arrogant, it was a mistake but she made up for that BIG TIME by being a great CM in her later tenures.

Due to corrupt people like her poor people and senior citizens are dying standing in bank lines..

So the centre will make an announcement about a complex issue like demonetization (which has its pros and cons) and the blame for any screw ups that happen at the ground level lies on the state government's shoulders?

Take any issue in India and do a tally of how many people die in EACH state due to it every single month. You will find that deaths happen all the time and those which get highlighted are the ones which are connected with issues that everyone is discussing about now.

Sure, negligence could be a problem but not sure if it is that case here. Banks can only process things at the speed they do. ATMs can only give out money that's in them. Its not like central govt gave everything to state government and there is a bottle neck there. Also old people standing in queues is no way state government's fault.

Moreover even if some screw up had happened, Jaya was literally unconscious when all of this happened. So I don't see a point as to how she can be blamed. Nobody rates others from AIADMK much.

I mean in our part we have SP and BSP both are corrupt but I would never revere either of them but seeing the public reaction after death of someone who has looted thousands of crores of your and mine money

That's a bit of a naive perspective brother.

First of all, AIADMK is no way similar to SP and BSP. Look at any of Jaya's interviews and you will get an idea of how clear cut and analytical female she is (she has her issues no doubt but she really knows the game).

Second of all, TN is one of the top states in India in GDP and social indicators. Jaya can be criticized for not developing industries as much she should but in social indicators, she has been a gun (leaving aside the freebie thingy which unfortunately Karunanidhi started and she had to join in).

DMK looted lands from people. AIADMK gave it back to those people (due to Jaya). Go to southern TN and you will see how much support Jaya has. As I mentioned before, people are eternally grateful for what she did.

Amma's canteen can be criticized but it has been a HUGE HUGE boon for those who want meals at a cheap cost.

Recently there was floods here which could have been managed better. But once the water had receded, a lot of activity took place and the govt got into solving the whole mess. Roads and everything were laid out pretty fast.

Law and order is not a problem here like in UP. In DMK rule, goondas used to have much more freedom and people used to fear them (not like everyone in state was in fear but people did talk about that). Even then law and order situation was not as bad as UP. But under Jaya, you actually feel safe.

On top of everything, Jaya doesn't have to play communal politics to win elections. Sure, caste politics will remain but she is one leader who gets support across various castes and religions.

I may be looking a bit too much into the media coverage about her death but I get a feeling that beneath the obligatory talks one gives when someone dies....there is a heavy heavy positive undertone here.

And in my opinion, she fully deserves it.

A female like her never wanted to join movies or politics. She just wanted to become a lawyer. Her mom pushed her into movies and MGR got her into politics and she excelled in both. For a female to rise up the ranks to successfully lead a Dravidian party (that was built on anti caste and Brahmin hate) by getting widespread support from people ALL over TN is an amazing achievement.

Nobody cares even if she got convicted of some corruption during her 1991 rule. They would still vote for her and her only.

In my opinion, she was a legendary politician.

TN will miss her a lot. Even more so, when you look at what nonsense there is in front of us now.

RIP our Amma. You were a true gun (inspite of your flaws).
 
I hear Karunanidhi is in the same hospital too. This is an opportune moment for two birds, one stone, etc.

The one time I had the misfortune of meeting JJ was in Chennai airport. I had just landed, and unfortunately she was there too, along with her AIADMK fanchildren who brought the entire airport to a standstill.

"AMMA! AMMA! PURATCHI THALAIVI AMMA!"

And when she came into sight, they collectively fell to the floor to worship her. It didn't look like she bends her knees when she walks. Either that or a combination of loose clothing, because she glided past like she was on wheels. Looked like a statue too, with that typical beatific smile and folded hands.

It was an afternoon to remember, that one.
 
To an extent this is true, but whats also true is that people are crazy. They treat their politicians and stars like demigods, and this is to be expected.

India is crazy, im sick of seeing instagram cricket posts that praises Indian actors and cricketers like no tomorrow. I'm keep geeting them in my Instagram feed, it is driving me nuts. I don't wanna see "Proud moment when you......" or "Admit it India is the best country ever " some garbage like that. I wonder if Indian media and media plays a role in Indians' habit of being extra in everything.
 
Exactly it's baffling to me.. That's why I wanna hear someone from TN POV.. [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] @trodoon

Congress and BJP often gets hated on TN because they always use ex North Indian actresses of former Tamil movies to promote their party. These actresses do speeches in very embarrassing fashion, speaking half the time in English with mix or horrible Tamil. When ever you hear them, you just want to punch them in the face. So it makes the people of TN think Congress and BJP think they are stupid and will vote for anyone who is famous. Congress and BJP do damage to themselves every year and election in TN.
 
India is crazy, im sick of seeing instagram cricket posts that praises Indian actors and cricketers like no tomorrow. I'm keep geeting them in my Instagram feed, it is driving me nuts. I don't wanna see "Proud moment when you......" or "Admit it India is the best country ever " some garbage like that. I wonder if Indian media and media plays a role in Indians' habit of being extra in everything.

Yeah I guess. South Indians in particular take this behavior to a whole new level.
 
Yeah I guess. South Indians in particular take this behavior to a whole new level.

Keralites don't behave like this, people here make fun of politicians all the time on television shows and social networking sites.
 
Yeah I guess. South Indians in particular take this behavior to a whole new level.

Indians need to stop acting like babies. North Indians have the tendencies to claim everything that makes them proud while disassociating with everything that is negative and embarrassing. When AR Rahman won Oscar and Ms Dhoni won the world cup it is a "proud moment for India" but when something negative happens "its the South Indians " "It's the UP and Biharis". I see it all the time, again and again.
 
Indians need to stop acting like babies. North Indians have the tendencies to claim everything that makes them proud while disassociating with everything that is negative and embarrassing. When AR Rahman won Oscar and Ms Dhoni won the world cup it is a "proud moment for India" but when something negative happens "its the South Indians " "It's the UP and Biharis". I see it all the time, again and again.

My comment had nothing to do with that mindset, I am only reporting what I am seeing. But as always, you twist this into North Vs South thing yet again.
 
Can't believe a corrupt politician and someone who wanted to cling to power despite poor health and kept the state hostage is getting so much adulation. RIP to her, but reflects poorly on the people who are showering eulogy on her.
 
Can't believe a corrupt politician and someone who wanted to cling to power despite poor health and kept the state hostage is getting so much adulation. RIP to her, but reflects poorly on the people who are showering eulogy on her.

End of the day, she was the best option for TN. The other option was far worse, the other option used to steal land from the poor of the poor. People of TN don't mind her looting $5 to $10 million. Cause the other option loot billions of dollars, especially from the poorest of the poor. Jayalalitha probably paid her self few millions, which is okay considering she has been in power since 1989. You need that much money to run a state consisting of population greater than England and France.
 
My comment had nothing to do with that mindset, I am only reporting what I am seeing. But as always, you twist this into North Vs South thing yet again.

Im sorry my observation makes me spew the truth. I tell you what I see. I don't sugar coat anything.
 
Someone tell me why was this lady buried instead of being cremated? I thought she was Hindu.
 
Someone tell me why was this lady buried instead of being cremated? I thought she was Hindu.

I think it was her own wish. Also, her supporters might want to make the place like a shrine for her
 
Someone tell me why was this lady buried instead of being cremated? I thought she was Hindu.

Lot of "Hindu traditions" are North Indian practices. According to original Tamil culture, you are to be buried. Burial is seen as if you are planting another life(just like you are planting a tree). People still believe that wives had to be thrown into the fire after her husbands death, even that ridiculous practice was only exclusive to certain part (Gujarat) of India. India is a massive country consisted of many cultures and practices. Think India as Europe and its states as European countries. It is not fair to judge the entire country based on few lunatics.
 
Lot of "Hindu traditions" are North Indian practices. According to original Tamil culture, you are to be buried. Burial is seen as if you are planting another life(just like you are planting a tree). People still believe that wives had to be thrown into the fire after her husbands death, even that ridiculous practice was only exclusive to certain part (Gujarat) of India. India is a massive country consisted of many cultures and practices. Think India as Europe and its states as European countries. It is not fair to judge the entire country based on few lunatics.

I have an unrelated question. Why do some South Indians name their children after Russian Bolsheviks? I know there's a politician in TN named M.K. Stalin.
 
I have an unrelated question. Why do some South Indians name their children after Russian Bolsheviks? I know there's a politician in TN named M.K. Stalin.

MK Stalin is the son of Karunanidhi, who is a Pro-Dravidian, even Jayalalitha's party is a Pro-Dravidian. Basically for the last 40 years or so it has always been the Pro-Dravidian party. Pro-Dravidian parties hate the caste and believe in "equality". Since communism also believes in "equality" some politicians get named after communists leaders.
 
Lot of "Hindu traditions" are North Indian practices. According to original Tamil culture, you are to be buried. Burial is seen as if you are planting another life(just like you are planting a tree). People still believe that wives had to be thrown into the fire after her husbands death, even that ridiculous practice was only exclusive to certain part (Gujarat) of India. India is a massive country consisted of many cultures and practices. Think India as Europe and its states as European countries. It is not fair to judge the entire country based on few lunatics.

Dunno. Vast majority of Tamils get cremated. Brahmins...non Brahmins...even my maid today was wondering why did she get buried.

I think it was her own wish. Also, her supporters might want to make the place like a shrine for her

Compulsions most likely. Or she didn't have an opinion either way. She had to be cremated.
 
Lot of "Hindu traditions" are North Indian practices. According to original Tamil culture, you are to be buried. Burial is seen as if you are planting another life(just like you are planting a tree). People still believe that wives had to be thrown into the fire after her husbands death, even that ridiculous practice was only exclusive to certain part (Gujarat) of India. India is a massive country consisted of many cultures and practices. Think India as Europe and its states as European countries. It is not fair to judge the entire country based on few lunatics.

There are people who bury their dead and there are those who cremate in TN. I've seen both happening but most people cremate their dead regardless of caste differences.
 
I wonder what will happen to ADMK. She was the lone leader of the party and the rest hardly had any real power. Now that she has gone, it has left a great void in the party and I won't be surprised if new factions start developing.
 
Easy to make a memorial imo also considering she was an Iyer I guess she should had been burned but anyhow anything to keep the legacy alive.

There are lot of practices which are different among certain Tamilian Hindus and rest of India,I was in a Hindu Tamil wedding last year and i noticed they read their vows instead of bringing in a priest and lighting a fire and came to know that's how some castes have been doing.
 
how much autonomy do indian states have?

going by this page it seems federal govt has little say
 
Keralites don't behave like this, people here make fun of politicians all the time on television shows and social networking sites.

Soo true. Remember the #PoMoneModi & #PoMoneShaji hashtags we trended worldwide! :))

You gotta see some of the Malayalam FB pages or some of our Satire shows to see how much Modi & BJP get trolled. So does Rahul Baba as well.. Sadly ultra-conservatism (mostly religious) is gripping my state slowly . The liberal no-one-is-above-satire culture is slowly disappearing . :(
 

This was the most epic interview given by her in her career. Karan Thapar is used to grilling so many guests in his "hard talk" BBC show including guys like Modi, Advani, Chidambaram, etc. This was probably the only instance I saw him getting roasted by a guest. [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION], check this out mate. Gets hilarious at the end:ashwin
 

This was the most epic interview given by her in her career. Karan Thapar is used to grilling so many guests in his "hard talk" BBC show including guys like Modi, Advani, Chidambaram, etc. This was probably the only instance I saw him getting roasted by a guest. [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION], check this out mate. Gets hilarious at the end:ashwin

The interview with SIMI GAREWAL is pretty great too. She was very candid in that interview. Also a very eloquent speaker !! Never knew she could articulate herself this well in English..
 
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