Jeremy Corbyn readmitted as a member of the Labour Party following the end of his suspension

[Robert]

Could Corbyn leave Labour, with a few loyalists, and create another party? Think that would split Labour in half.

It would fail under FPTP.

The Labour membership is pretty static anyway as moderate members who lapsed under Corbyn are returning under Starmer.

 

[Robert]

We need a 3rd strong party in the UK. Labour has once again sold out to its Zionist masters. Lib Dems sold out joining the Tory co-olition. A strong new 3rd party will never win up against the machine but at least would speak the truth.

Under FPTP any third party will struggle. Lib Dems got 11% of the vote so should have 66 MPs and be a Parliamentary force, but only have eleven.

Thankfully the Brits have had enough of war. Iraq was a wake up call, British army is no longer powerful. I know a lot of Brit soliders, most are a bunch of wimps. Only SAS has skilled fighters now.

Again, hyperbole and nothing to do with Iraq. HM Armed Forces ave been reduced since the late eighties when USSR collapsed, and were gutted by the 2010 Defence Review. In part, they are being restored by the new big carriers and F-35 fleet. We need rebuilt infantry regiments though, to make a significant overseas deployment.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Under FPTP any third party will struggle. Lib Dems got 11% of the vote so should have 66 MPs and be a Parliamentary force, but only have eleven.

Depends on the party and fairness of the Zionist backed media.

Again, hyperbole and nothing to do with Iraq. HM Armed Forces ave been reduced since the late eighties when USSR collapsed, and were gutted by the 2010 Defence Review. In part, they are being restored by the new big carriers and F-35 fleet. We need rebuilt infantry regiments though, to make a significant overseas deployment.

How about we just stay home and not bomb more people? Boris the fool has just announced more billions for defence, AI technology etc becuase he wants to defend his allies, mainly Israel. This fool couldnt provide PPE and test kits but is happy to send more on defence.

 

[The Viper]

Labour's chief whip has asked ex-party leader Jeremy Corbyn to "unequivocally" apologise for saying the scale of anti-Semitism in the party had been "overstated for political reasons".

Mr Corbyn was suspended from the party following his comments but later readmitted as a member after saying he regretted any "pain" caused.

But, Sir Keir Starmer blocked Mr Corbyn from returning as a Labour MP
.
The Labour leader said he would keep the decision under review.

The row between the former and current leader was triggered when the Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) published a report, saying Labour had broken the law over its handling of anti-Jewish racism complaints by party member

 

[Manunited18]

Under FPTP any third party will struggle. Lib Dems got 11% of the vote so should have 66 MPs and be a Parliamentary force, but only have eleven.



Again, hyperbole and nothing to do with Iraq. HM Armed Forces ave been reduced since the late eighties when USSR collapsed, and were gutted by the 2010 Defence Review. In part, they are being restored by the new big carriers and F-35 fleet. We need rebuilt infantry regiments though, to make a significant overseas deployment.

Significant deployment where Rob? For what purpose? Regime change, it's bewildering we can't keep the homeless off the streets in this country yet we want to police the world or is there a agenda attached to all this, I wonder.

 

[Robert]

Significant deployment where Rob? For what purpose? Regime change, it's bewildering we can't keep the homeless off the streets in this country yet we want to police the world or is there a agenda attached to all this, I wonder.

To defend a NATO ally that might be about to be partially annexed by Russia. See the current deployment in Estonia.

Regime change is totally debunked after the rise of ISIL. Better work with regimes and try to get them to become more humane by applying soft power.

 

[Robert]

Depends on the party and fairness of the Zionist backed media.

It depends on FPTP. It takes a million votes to elect one Green MP and just 25,000 to elect a Tory under the current system.

How about we just stay home and not bomb more people? Boris the fool has just announced more billions for defence, AI technology etc becuase he wants to defend his allies, mainly Israel. This fool couldnt provide PPE and test kits but is happy to send more on defence.

Your obsession with Israel is turning into monomania. I can tell what you are going to post before you post it now.

To be able to stay at home safely we must spend more of defence - cyberwarfare, anti-satellite missiles, directed energy weapons, and the future frigate programme to counter submarine warfare.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It depends on FPTP. It takes a million votes to elect one Green MP and just 25,000 to elect a Tory under the current system.





Your obsession with Israel is turning into monomania. I can tell what you are going to post before you post it now.

To be able to stay at home safely we must spend more of defence - cyberwarfare, anti-satellite missiles, directed energy weapons, and the future frigate programme to counter submarine warfare.

I think you are ignorant here. The obsession is not from me but from the British polticians who pretend they are working for the people but are mere bots doing bidding of their donors.

Keir Starmer received £50,000 donation from pro-Israel lobbyist in leadership bid

https://www.thecanary.co/exclusive/...n-from-pro-israel-lobbyist-in-leadership-bid/

He is one of many from various parties.

I hate to break it to you Robert, Zionism controls the polticial scence in the UK. You live in a fake democracy. Wake up please.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Brilliant documentary by Al Jazeera exposing the Labour party's attacks on Corbyn.

Corbyn stood up against Zionist Israel, cost him being PM but also cost the UK much much more.

 

[Yossarian]

Sir Keir Starmer faced renewed calls for Jeremy Corbyn to be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate at the next general election on the first day of his party's conference in Liverpool.

Some party delegates have forced a vote on the proposed rule change in an attempt to allow the MP for Islington North to be re-selected as a Labour candidate.

Supporters of the move say it would allow a constituency Labour Party (CLP) to be in control of who their candidate is rather than the parliamentary Labour Party.


https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir...as-labour-candidate-at-next-election-12705288

Starmer and his friends will of course go all out to have the motion defeated. Even if it gets passed, Starmer will most likely ignore it, just as he has already said he will ignore the motion, that was passed yesterday (Monday) to include changing the voting system for General Elections from first-past-the-post to proportional representation in the next GE Manifesto.

If Corbyn is prevented from standing for Labour at the next GE, then it's certain Labour will lose the seat. Either to Corbyn standing as an Independent, or to Tories or Liberals. Basically an own goal.

 

[Robert]

If Corbyn stands as an independent I wonder will he be able to generate enough funding to campaign for re-election?

 

[Robert]

If Corbyn is prevented from standing for Labour at the next GE, then it's certain Labour will lose the seat. Either to Corbyn standing as an Independent, or to Tories or Liberals. Basically an own goal.

Corbyn has won >60% of the vote in the last three Islington North elections. I think he still has a good chance as an independent if he can raise funds.

Corbyn voted against his own party 600+ times so it is not as though he was ever a Labour MP anyway.

 

[Robert]

Brilliant documentary by Al Jazeera exposing the Labour party's attacks on Corbyn.

Corbyn stood up against Zionist Israel, cost him being PM but also cost the UK much much more.

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I think a Corbyn government would be an abject disaster - a third-rate brain leading a third-rate Cabinet, Starmer apart. Economic collapse as international money moved out. Disaster socialism. We would all be poor but at least nobody would be rich, eh?

And his pacifism would have made war more likely instead of less. You have to be prepared to fight to keep the peace.

 

[James]

Corbyn has a lot of supporters, mostly outside of Labour now, who would financially back him to stand as an Independent.

The funds would not be a problem. It’s whether he would be able to go the whole hog and beat a rival Labour candidate in Islington North.

If Jeremy formally stands against Labour then in line with the rulebook he will be completely expelled by them btw and membership revoked, likely never to get it back.

So it’s a big decision for him personally. He might take Commons retirement perhaps and carry on campaigning away from Westminster.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I think a Corbyn government would be an abject disaster - a third-rate brain leading a third-rate Cabinet, Starmer apart. Economic collapse as international money moved out. Disaster socialism. We would all be poor but at least nobody would be rich, eh?

Sounds very similar to what we have at the moment but instead of disaster socialism its disaster capitalism.

 

[James]

Sounds very similar to what we have at the moment but instead of disaster socialism its disaster capitalism.

Said this in a thread the other day… capitalism and socialism have both comprehensively failed humanity in different ways.

 

[Robert]

Sounds very similar to what we have at the moment but instead of disaster socialism its disaster capitalism.

Agreed. What the Britons did to deserve a ruinous choice of Bodge or Magic Grandad I do not know.

Actually I do know….

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If JC a party he could take 5 or so seats in the HOC and perhaps some seats in Holyrood and welsh parliament. If they ran in local council elections they would certainly steal some seats from the greens.

Socialists are exceptional campaigners at a local level, very adept at amplifying the most mundane of local issues and getting their claws stuck into a community ( often for the worse though!)

I don't think a party would have to spend too much too, just the election fee and occasionally busing Jeremy to a few meetings. The rest would be covered by dynamic activism.

 

[the Great Khan]

Agreed. What the Britons did to deserve a ruinous choice of Bodge or Magic Grandad I do not know.

Actually I do know….

I think the media grooming against corbyn for his support of the brownies and moozlums is what is disappointing. We now known from both the forde report and the Al.jazeera investigation that this was an organised campaign to stop him. The Labour Party is an institutionaly racist organisation. It is an anti Muslim organisation too. The imperial colonialist mindset that you also seem to agree with will never allow for the election of somebody like corbyn. Too friendly to those brownies and moozlum terrorists.

 

[Robert]

I think the media grooming against corbyn for his support of the brownies and moozlums is what is disappointing. We now known from both the forde report and the Al.jazeera investigation that this was an organised campaign to stop him. The Labour Party is an institutionaly racist organisation. It is an anti Muslim organisation too. The imperial colonialist mindset that you also seem to agree with will never allow for the election of somebody like corbyn. Too friendly to those brownies and moozlum terrorists.

Obviously the rich hard right folk who own the press wanted Corbyn to lose - he had declared war on them when he said “Change is coming”.

Labour was ruled to be institutionally racist on Corbyn’s watch.

I don’t agree with the imperial colonialist mindset. Where did you get that? Remember I am half Irish. The English starved Ireland and killed a million people. My wife is descended from an African taken as a slave. Clear where I stand on this?

 

[Robert]

If JC a party he could take 5 or so seats in the HOC and perhaps some seats in Holyrood and welsh parliament. If they ran in local council elections they would certainly steal some seats from the greens.

Socialists are exceptional campaigners at a local level, very adept at amplifying the most mundane of local issues and getting their claws stuck into a community ( often for the worse though!)

I don't think a party would have to spend too much too, just the election fee and occasionally busing Jeremy to a few meetings. The rest would be covered by dynamic activism.

It’s very hard to set up a new party under FPTP. All he would do is split the left vote and return more Tories.

 

[shaz619]

Obviously the rich hard right folk who own the press wanted Corbyn to lose - he had declared war on them when he said “Change is coming”.

Labour was ruled to be institutionally racist on Corbyn’s watch.

I don’t agree with the imperial colonialist mindset. Where did you get that? Remember I am half Irish. The English starved Ireland and killed a million people. My wife is descended from an African taken as a slave. Clear where I stand on this?

My background is asian/black and I will tell you that generally speaking, the afro Caribbean community have more sympathy in the main stream, it is further evidenced by you highlighting your wife’s origins and unfortunate slave history, whilst ignoring how Keir has isolated the muslim vote due to his foreign views and his facist campaign against Corbyn, under him Labour are more prejudiced against muslims who are already stereotyped excessively and experience attacks more then any other minority group right now and it is accepted by the media who Keir is appeasing. Now I somewhat agree with some of your views on Corbyn but he was far more accepting of the muslim community and their concerns, you fail to accept that Keir has done more damage in that regard

 

[Robert]

My background is asian/black and I will tell you that generally speaking, the afro Caribbean community have more sympathy in the main stream, it is further evidenced by you highlighting your wife’s origins and unfortunate slave history, whilst ignoring how Keir has isolated the muslim vote due to his foreign views and his facist campaign against Corbyn, under him Labour are more prejudiced against muslims who are already stereotyped excessively and experience attacks more then any other minority group right now and it is accepted by the media who Keir is appeasing. Now I somewhat agree with some of your views on Corbyn but he was far more accepting of the muslim community and their concerns, you fail to accept that Keir has done more damage in that regard

I have no idea what Muslims think of Sir Keir so cannot make intelligent comment. Is it some Israel thing? My comments have been about Corbyn, and a rebuttal of [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION]’s accusation.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It’s very hard to set up a new party under FPTP. All he would do is split the left vote and return more Tories.

He could take his own seat, Dianne Abbot would likely join him and perhaps a couple of seats in areas like Bradford.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I like Corbyn, he seems a man of principle. Only problem some of those problems are misguided and out of touch.

 

[Robert]

He could take his own seat, Dianne Abbot would likely join him and perhaps a couple of seats in areas like Bradford.

If we didn’t have FPTP he might have a chance of winning with a few hard left MPs and setting up a party.

 

[James]

I like Corbyn, he seems a man of principle. Only problem some of those problems are misguided and out of touch.

He suffers from an acute lack of self awareness, which is a fatal flaw for someone who aspires to lead. Every leader who I have seen exhibit this trait throughout my career (in both the public and private sectors) has either failed, or been generally hated, neither of which are going to work out in politics. Not saying that the current government is any good, quite the opposite, but a Corbyn led administration would have been a different sort of chaos.

 

[Robert]

He suffers from an acute lack of self awareness, which is a fatal flaw for someone who aspires to lead. Every leader who I have seen exhibit this trait throughout my career (in both the public and private sectors) has either failed, or been generally hated, neither of which are going to work out in politics. Not saying that the current government is any good, quite the opposite, but a Corbyn led administration would have been a different sort of chaos.

Also stubborn, inflexible, slow to act, and frankly not very bright. Milliband's shadow cabinet members would have been running rings round him intellectually, which is why he sacked them and promoted hard left ideologues.

He's a professional protestor, not a manager or leader.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Also stubborn, inflexible, slow to act, and frankly not very bright. Milliband's shadow cabinet members would have been running rings round him intellectually, which is why he sacked them and promoted hard left ideologues.

He's a professional protestor, not a manager or leader.

You're mistaken for Piers

 

[James]

You're mistaken for Piers

I don’t see a great difference in personality traits between the two Corbyn brothers, it’s just their belief systems that are different.

 

[Yossarian]

I have no idea what Muslims think of Sir Keir so cannot make intelligent comment. Is it some Israel thing? My comments have been about Corbyn, and a rebuttal of [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION]’s accusation.

I used to be a Labour supporter and party member. In fact I voted for Starmer to become leader. But since he's become leader, he's been awful for the Labour Party. I think if Boris had managed to hang on as Tory leader until the next election, Boris would have easily beaten Starmer and kept the Tories in power. But now, I see Truss as being a major disaster for the Tories, and unless things change dramatically, Starmer has a good chance of becoming PM. But only by default.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Jeremy Corbyn has described Hamas as a “terrorist group” after repeatedly avoiding the term, as he wrote an article accusing the Israeli army of being guilty of “acts of terror too”.

The former Labour leader argued that the comparison was necessary because Israel is killing thousands of children in strikes on Gaza in retaliation for Hamas’s wave of bloodshed.

Sir Keir Starmer, his successor at the top of the party, said Mr Corbyn’s “days as a Labour MP are over” after the MP repeatedly declined to call Hamas terrorists.

The targeting of hospitals, refugee camps and so-called safe zones by the Israeli army are acts of terror too; and the killing of more than 11,000 people, half of whom are children, cannot possibly be understood as acts of self-defence.

Jeremy Corbyn

Mr Corbyn wrote in the left-wing Tribune magazine that “I deplore the targeting of all civilians”, including Hamas’s killing of around 1,200 people in Israel on October 7.

“If we understand terrorism to describe the indiscriminate killing of civilians, in breach of international law, then of course Hamas is a terrorist group,” he added.

“The targeting of hospitals, refugee camps and so-called safe zones by the Israeli army are acts of terror too; and the killing of more than 11,000 people, half of whom are children, cannot possibly be understood as acts of self-defence.

“We should not entertain questions from those who have no interest in applying this basic consistency.”

More than 11,400 Palestinians have been killed in the war, two-thirds of them women and minors, according to Palestinian health authorities, as Israel bombards the small strip of land which is home to more than 2.2 million people.

Mr Corbyn avoided giving a direct answer when repeatedly asked whether Hamas is a terror group by Piers Morgan in a heated exchange on his TalkTV show this week.

In his Tribune article, the Islington North MP wrote: “Ultimately, we do not just have a responsibility to end the bloodshed.

“We have a responsibility to stop bloodthirsty voices from dictating the terms of debate, and to push back against cynical attempts to distract us from our urgent goal: bringing about an immediate ceasefire.”

Mr Corbyn urged readers to understand that Palestinians “are living under occupation and a system of apartheid”, in a comparison with the Irish under British rule.

He urged political leaders to “desperately” learn the lesson of how “the endless cycle of violence for good” was broken in Northern Ireland to end the Troubles.

Sir Keir, who stripped Mr Corbyn of the whip in 2020, meaning he has been sitting as an independent since, said he was “taken aback and shocked” by his earlier refusal.

Hamas is designated as a terror group in the UK, as well as in the US and the European Union.

Sir Keir, who served in Mr Corbyn’s shadow cabinet, told The News Agents podcast: “He won’t stand as a Labour MP at the next election or any election.

“His days as a Labour MP are over. We have a changed party.”

But the Labour leader has struggled to keep his MPs and party membership united over his support of Israel, refusing to back calls for a ceasefire while urging Israel to protect civilians.

Source: The Independent

 

[MenInG]

Goes Independent!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1793899852624953398

 

[Cricket Warrior]

https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1803096781502185878

 

[The Bald Eagle]

But still people in the West consider them liability

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806759465523236883

 

[BouncerGuy]

Went independent and won.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1809051708552589430

 

[BouncerGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1809695574930739433