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JF-17 Thunder Block-II replaces F-7P Skybolt of the Number 2 Minhas Squadron.

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F-7 P was serving in this squadron and have retired now . Minhas Squadron have get their JF-17 Block II.

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1.Spiders
2.Black Panthers
3.Combat commander school
and now 4th Squadron Minhas.
Congrats PAF .... :19:
 
KW bro my knowledge of air force technical stuff isn't that good but i want to ask you something. There was a jet they were showing in PAF documentary yesterday it's not a fighter jet but it work as control station / guiding, tracking source for other fighter jets in the air or something like that and it provide them all the info they need. So what is the name of that big thingy? There was a radar also on top of it and from which country Pakistan is buying it or is it being manufactured locally as well?

Here is a pic i found on internet the one they showed in the documentary is similar 17-18 engineer and 2 pilots can sit inside it and guide the fighters jets in the air.

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Yes they are airborne early warning craft. We have about eight of them. A mix of Swedish and Chinese. They help us network our fighters and provide real time info to our planes. Basically they can track the enemy in their territory and can help us attack beyond visual range.
 
Yes they are airborne early warning craft. We have about eight of them. A mix of Swedish and Chinese. They help us network our fighters and provide real time info to our planes. Basically they can track the enemy in their territory and can help us attack beyond visual range.

Oh i see that's cool so they are like a controlling a guiding system in the air with far wider range.
 
How many of those mid air refueling system we got? I remember we ordered them from Ukraine?
 
So how much new Jf-17 does Pakistan has now ? What is the difference between the one Pakistan has and the one China has ? Who built what part ? and how is it compared to the Indian home made fighter jet ?
 
So how much new Jf-17 does Pakistan has now ? What is the difference between the one Pakistan has and the one China has ? Who built what part ? and how is it compared to the Indian home made fighter jet ?

As per my knowledge we have around 50 odd.. And it was built in collaboration with China..
 
So how much new Jf-17 does Pakistan has now ? What is the difference between the one Pakistan has and the one China has ? Who built what part ? and how is it compared to the Indian home made fighter jet ?

They are same and JF 17 are being built collaboration with China. JF 17 Block 2 cost around $28 million (estimate) and IIRC Sri Lanka recently ordered these from Pakistan and the order will take place in 2017.

Pakistan Air Force got 54 operating already and is going to add 96 more.
 
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Yes they are airborne early warning craft. We have about eight of them. A mix of Swedish and Chinese. They help us network our fighters and provide real time info to our planes. Basically they can track the enemy in their territory and can help us attack beyond visual range.

Oh i see that's cool so they are like a controlling a guiding system in the air with far wider range.

+1

PAF have 4 Swedish Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&Cs

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and PAF have 4 Chinese - PAF ZDK-03 AEW&Cs , and 2 more to come.

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also Pakistan Navy have its own fleet of American Lockheed P-3 Orion of different Variants for Naval surveillance/anti-submarine warfare aircraft/airborne early warning/airborne and bombing missions.

Thre are total 7 (P-3C) + P-3 AEW&Cs models (equipped with Hawkeye 2000 AEW system) in Navy with 2 more to come.

P-3 Hawkeye 2000 AEW

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P-3 Orion

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How many of those mid air refueling system we got? I remember we ordered them from Ukraine?

PAF have 4 Ukrainian Ilyushin II-78 Inflight refuelling tankers, with 1 more to come.

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PAF have 4 Swedish Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&Cs

and PAF have 4 Chinese - PAF ZDK-03 AEW&Cs , and 2 more to come.

also Pakistan Navy have its own fleet of American Lockheed P-3 Orion of different Variants for Naval surveillance/anti-submarine warfare aircraft/airborne early warning/airborne and bombing missions.

Thre are total 7 (P-3C) + P-3 AEW&Cs models (equipped with Hawkeye 2000 AEW system) in Navy with 2 more to come.

P-3 Hawkeye 2000 AEW

P-3 Orion
PAF have 4 Ukrainian Ilyushin II-78 Inflight refuelling tankers, with 1 more to come.

Cool thanks for sharing the details brother
 
They are same and JF 17 are being built collaboration with China. JF 17 Block 2 cost around $28 million (estimate) and IIRC Sri Lanka recently ordered these from Pakistan and the order will take place in 2017.

Pakistan Air Force got 54 operating already and is going to add 96 more.

and according to my sources 50 more will be built in Pakistan.
means total 200 Units of JF-17 Block II.
JF-17 Block -III production will start in 2016/17.
 
and according to my sources 50 more will be built in Pakistan.
means total 200 Units of JF-17 Block II.
JF-17 Block -III production will start in 2016/17.

It's being done in PAC Kamra right? I remember i heard the news about new JF 17 Thunder factory when i was in Attock (Kamra is in Attock). And if i am not wrong in starting years the parts were being done in China and assembled in Pakistan.
 
How many of these big planes were abandoned by the initial user and they give it to us in cheap price?
 
It's being done in PAC Kamra right? I remember i heard the news about new JF 17 Thunder factory when i was in Attock (Kamra is in Attock). And if i am not wrong in starting years the parts were being done in China and assembled in Pakistan.

PAC Kamra was the first Facility for JF-17.
thre are couple of more facilities now.
 
How many of these big planes were abandoned by the initial user and they give it to us in cheap price?

In Simple Words.
we placed the order, they were built from Scratch. Every single Plane is the new one and gt built and Customize according to our Requirements.
It took a Decade to get all of these Big AWACS for PAF/PN becoz it was Ordered in President Musharraf Govt.

and All of these planes are still under services in Chinese, Swedish, Ukrainians & US forces.
 
In Simple Words.
we placed the order, they were built from Scratch. Every single Plane is the new one and gt built and Customize according to our Requirements.

Ok so you are saying we are using new ones. No other nation used it before?
 
Ok so you are saying we are using new ones. No other nation used it before?

The planes we have are the new ones. The Technology is one of the latest Tech. as i told you All of these planes are still under services in Chinese, Swedish, Ukrainians & US forces.
these are not the abandoned Planes or Tech.
 
The planes we have are the new ones. The Technology is one of the latest Tech. as i told you All of these planes are still under services in Chinese, Swedish, Ukrainians & US forces.
these are not the abandoned Planes or Tech.

I think we ordered the same customized model that Chinese ordered from Ukraine?
 
Yes something like that.
also the Pakistan Navy have 2 Different Variants of P-3 Orion becoz we asked them for Customization.

yes just confirmed it

Il-78MP
Multi-role aerial refuelling tanker/transport aircraft, with removable fuel tanks in cargo hold and UPAZ refuelling pods, for the Pakistan Air Force, and Chinese Air Force.

Chinese Air Force got 3 Il-78MP.

Pakistan Air Force got 4 Il-78MP aircraft were ordered from Ukrainian surplus aircraft stocks, fitted with removable fuel tanks and UPAZ refuelling pods. The first of the four aircraft was delivered in December 2009. A total of 4 Il-78MPs have been delivered to the PAF as of May 2012.
 
I hope our engineers use the skills and experience they have gained during the production of JF17 to make new planes with better capabilities.

With our cheap labor and cost of production we can make a 4th-5th gen plane considerably cheaper, only thing lacking is the know-how..
 
I hope our engineers use the skills and experience they have gained during the production of JF17 to make new planes with better capabilities.

With our cheap labor and cost of production we can make a 4th-5th gen plane considerably cheaper, only thing lacking is the know-how..

block 3 of JS 17 Thunder is claimed to be 4th generation. They will start working on it from 2017
 
So how much new Jf-17 does Pakistan has now ? What is the difference between the one Pakistan has and the one China has ? Who built what part ? and how is it compared to the Indian home made fighter jet ?

We have four squadrons now. Close to 70 aircraft. The overall req is 200. The block 3 version which will be about 80% capable to a F16 blk 52 will be a major plus for us.

Also we are getting some more F16''s. Upgraded to blk 52 versions.

China hasn't bought the jf17 but may still go for it later. The airplane is a joint venture with state owned catic and is mainly for export. When compared to the tejas well spec wise they are very similar but In reality the tejas will not really be equipping the IAF. Anytime soon. 68% of the craft is built in Pakistan. .the fuselage atm comes from China but we are working on building that too. The engine is Russian. Avionics are Chinese and Spanish. The wings and other bits are Pakistani. .
 
We have four squadrons now. Close to 70 aircraft. The overall req is 200. The block 3 version which will be about 80% capable to a F16 blk 52 will be a major plus for us.

Also we are getting some more F16''s. Upgraded to blk 52 versions.

China hasn't bought the jf17 but may still go for it later. The airplane is a joint venture with state owned catic and is mainly for export. When compared to the tejas well spec wise they are very similar but In reality the tejas will not really be equipping the IAF. Anytime soon. 68% of the craft is built in Pakistan. .the fuselage atm comes from China but we are working on building that too. The engine is Russian. Avionics are Chinese and Spanish. The wings and other bits are Pakistani. .

That's good to know. I heard Pak is also looking to buy the Chinese J10 which is comparable to the F18 in capabilities.

That would be awesome.
 
One more thing i forgot but there was a news about one or two of these imported jets getting damaged in the terrorist attack on Mehran base or Kamra base. Didn't heard the details after that? Which one it was and how much the damage was done.
 
Yes. They allow us to fight in a networked way. Fighters get real time info as it happens.

Cool!

off topic but a question have you worked with PAF in past or a brother/father working there? you seems to have a lot of knowledge of whats going on there (much more than wikipedia :p) and i think you are not even in Pakistan?
 
That's good to know. I heard Pak is also looking to buy the Chinese J10 which is comparable to the F18 in capabilities.

That would be awesome.

The PAF isn't to sure about the J10. They would prefer the F16 and more jf17''s. And wait for the j31 stealth fighter. They are looking to separate the naval air arm. So some new planes may join that.
 
Cool!

off topic but a question have you worked with PAF in past or a brother/father working there? you seems to have a lot of knowledge of whats going on there (much more than wikipedia :p) and i think you are not even in Pakistan?

Nope. I have family in the army but not in the PAF. Just something I've followed since I was 8 yrs old. Also my cousin is a aircraft fanatic so he got me into it. Wikipedia isn't a good source. There are better ones on the net.
 
One more thing i forgot but there was a news about one or two of these imported jets getting damaged in the terrorist attack on Mehran base or Kamra base. Didn't heard the details after that? Which one it was and how much the damage was done.

According to what I read on the net we lost 1 and two others were heavily damaged. I believe we managed to replace two.
 
Nope. I have family in the army but not in the PAF. Just something I've followed since I was 8 yrs old. Also my cousin is a aircraft fanatic so he got me into it. Wikipedia isn't a good source. There are better ones on the net.

My father used to work in PAC Kamra when it was being launched but sadly i got interest in all this stuff after his retirement lol
 
One more thing i forgot but there was a news about one or two of these imported jets getting damaged in the terrorist attack on Mehran base or Kamra base. Didn't heard the details after that? Which one it was and how much the damage was done.

According to what I read on the net we lost 1 and two others were heavily damaged. I believe we managed to replace two.

The Two P-3C got damaged in terrorist attack on mehran base, not jets. they were almost completely damaged.
The US Replaced them with Two New ones.
 
The Two P-3C got damaged in terrorist attack on mehran base, not jets. they were almost completely damaged.
The US Replaced them with Two New ones.

Thats sad but i hope we have learned our lesson from all these damages and will implement a much better security systems.
 
That's good to know. I heard Pak is also looking to buy the Chinese J10 which is comparable to the F18 in capabilities.

That would be awesome.

Thre are some news about J-10 but PAF is not interested becoz they are looking for 5th Gen J-31 fighters.
also thre are rumours that Russia offered Su-35 Jet to PAF. But its still a rumour.
 
We have four squadrons now. Close to 70 aircraft. The overall req is 200. The block 3 version which will be about 80% capable to a F16 blk 52 will be a major plus for us.

Also we are getting some more F16''s. Upgraded to blk 52 versions.

China hasn't bought the jf17 but may still go for it later. The airplane is a joint venture with state owned catic and is mainly for export. When compared to the tejas well spec wise they are very similar but In reality the tejas will not really be equipping the IAF. Anytime soon. 68% of the craft is built in Pakistan. .the fuselage atm comes from China but we are working on building that too. The engine is Russian. Avionics are Chinese and Spanish. The wings and other bits are Pakistani. .

Thanks for the info. Which one is superior, Jf-17 or Teja ?
 
small steps lead to bigger things, Pakistan has to be more self reliant, work with the Chinese to rip off american designs ( Tomahawak = Babur, JF 17 = cheap f 16).

You have to start somewhere, just look at india who cant get the tejas or the next gen MBT into the production phase. Yes they can buy some shiny new toys these days but the issues of spare parts will always remain and no one can predict the future long term political climate. Personally i think they are fools to reject Russian weaponry.

The russians are no different to the americans in most cases, but they do tend to be more loyal to the allies then the yanks.
 
hehe... apples and oranges !! :P

Well you did send a satellite to Mars. I would assume making a plane may have been easier.. Maybe the tejas does not get the requisite funding.
 
Well you did send a satellite to Mars. I would assume making a plane may have been easier.. Maybe the tejas does not get the requisite funding.

Red tapes hinder everything!!

and as for not comparing Tejas and JF-17, the goals of the two projects are vastly different.
 
You know what i meant.

They both are still fruit. Which one is Apple and which one is Orange ? :akhtar

The Tejas MK1 uses

1.GE F404 Engines,the same as a F 18 Hornet.
2.Uses Israeli 2032 Radar plus Israeli EWS and Avionics
3.Can fire Israeli python and Derby misslies as well as Russian/American and Indian missiles.

MK2

uses F 414 from GE used in Super Hornet
Will have an AESA Radar(Israeli 2062)

1st squadron of Tejas is being inducted as we speak.
 
Well you did send a satellite to Mars. I would assume making a plane may have been easier.. Maybe the tejas does not get the requisite funding.

Two different organisations.ISRO has much lesser red tape and interference from bureaucracy and is much more professional.

DRDO though is now getting better with govt approving private partnership etc.
 
Thanks for the info. Which one is superior, Jf-17 or Teja ?

Both are good planes but Tejas has been in development for 30 years and we still do not have one operational squadron. Tejas initially was supposed to replace the aging Migs of the Indian air force but repeated delays has ensured that plan will not transpire and the Indians are still flying the MIGs and probably will be for the foreseeable future. The Tejas once again is a good plane but it might be too little too late as other the IAF is busy looking at other air crafts.

JF-17 has the similar objective its suppose to replace the F-7s and the mirages but the difference is that the JF-17 program is progressing smoothly. 3 squadrons are already operational and now a squadron of Block II aircrafts is introduced. The JF program has matured alot since its introduction and will continue that trend until block III is introduced.

So to sum it all up I think the Thunder currently is a superior air craft. It was built with direct involvement with PAF which means all they would have done whatever they could to make the aircraft better. JF-17 It has been in service for years, is built in numbers, has a substantial weapons package, and its operationally being used for COIN operations. So keeping everything in mind I will give the nod to JF-17.
 
hehe... apples and oranges !! :P

no its apple (JF17) and orange pip (Tejas). Thats a more accurate assessment. It isn't even wanted by the IAF who would rather have more SU30's. Or even another aircraft to fill the workhorse category. The tejas is a failure but I hope you keep putting resources into it.
 
Both are good planes but Tejas has been in development for 30 years and we still do not have one operational squadron. Tejas initially was supposed to replace the aging Migs of the Indian air force but repeated delays has ensured that plan will not transpire and the Indians are still flying the MIGs and probably will be for the foreseeable future. The Tejas once again is a good plane but it might be too little too late as other the IAF is busy looking at other air crafts.

JF-17 has the similar objective its suppose to replace the F-7s and the mirages but the difference is that the JF-17 program is progressing smoothly. 3 squadrons are already operational and now a squadron of Block II aircrafts is introduced. The JF program has matured alot since its introduction and will continue that trend until block III is introduced.

So to sum it all up I think the Thunder currently is a superior air craft. It was built with direct involvement with PAF which means all they would have done whatever they could to make the aircraft better. JF-17 It has been in service for years, is built in numbers, has a substantial weapons package, and its operationally being used for COIN operations. So keeping everything in mind I will give the nod to JF-17.

yup. The tejas isnt flying has barely got its FOC through, the IAF is unhappy with it and keeps asking HAL/DRDO etc to add more capabilities to it. Basically its a white elephant and a typical public sector project that is too big to be wrapped up as its politically inconvenient. The IAF and India would be better off just getting rid of their Migs/ jags, replacing them with more SU30's and the Raffa. Reducing their number of squadrons and inducting more drones. Tejas is simply a waste of money. And the IAF knows it but are forced to put up with it by the politicians.
 
Taking down a MiG 21 and SU30 but but but it is "Just trash"

3/4 countries ordered it even before this demo so i believe now after watching this demo the sales are gonna boost even further.
 
Taking down a MiG 21 and SU30 but but but it is "Just trash"

Haven't seen any solid info on the SU30 and the Mig-21 is ancient anyway. Nevertheless, the JF-17 is here to stay and demand should increase
 
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