Jharkhand: Mob sets Muslim man’s houses ablaze over alleged cow slaughter on Eid

[Muhammad10]

A mob set ablaze three houses belonging to a Muslim man who allegedly slaughtered cows on Eid ul-Adha in Jharkhand’s Giridh district on Saturday, about 185 kilometers from capital Ranchi, police said.

Tension simmered in the twin villages of Naitand and Bariabad villages of the district on Saturday after Rahman Mian’s houses in Naitand were gutted. Extra security forces were deployed at the spot soon after the incident to prevent the tension from snowballing into a conflagration. Four villagers sustained minor injuries in the clashes, police said.

Cops from the local police station doused the fire and sought reinforcement from the district police.

Rahman had allegedly slaughtered three cows in the morning near his residence for distribution among the local members of the Muslim community, police said.

Giridih superintendent of police Akhilesh B Variar told Hindustan Times that the police also recovered “heaps of bovine meat and heads of cows from Rahman’s residence”.

Rahman fled fearing an assault by the mob and is still absconding, police said.

“The situation is under control. However, our men are deployed in the area as a precautionary measure,” Variar said.

Police have arrested six people so far. Variar and Giridih deputy commissioner Uma Shankar Singh are camping at the village.

Days before Eid, the BJP government in Jharkhand had issued an advertisement for the public highlighting the prohibition on slaughtering bovine animals in the state under various laws. It also warned offenders of dire legal consequences.

The Prevention of Cow Slaughter Act, introduced in 2005 by a previous BJP government, prohibits slaughter or sacrifice of cows and calves.

On June 27, a frenzied mob of nearly 1000 people comprising villagers and members of cow a vigilante group assaulted a Muslim dairy owner Usman Ansari, 55, and set his house ablaze after a headless carcass of a cow was found near his house. Ansari and his family were rescued by the police which had to fire in the air to disperse the armed mob.

Meanwhile, several members of the Muslim community offered Eid namaz wearing black badges in parts of Giridih to protest seizure of camels smuggled from Rajasthan for sacrifice during Eid.

The state government here had also prohibited camel sacrifice citing clauses under the Food Safety and Standards Act.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...hter-on-eid/story-ihQjGfebwfbye8dvBOfXJJ.html

 

[cricketjoshila]

The guys who set the house on fire and the guy who slaughtered cow both should be arrested.BTW some discrepancies regarding in various news reports.One has mentioned this guy as a labourer with a thatched roof house.How did he get money to buy 3 cows?

 

[KingKhanWC]

So camels cant be slaughtered either?

Can someone post of list of animals which are allowed to be killed for food? Is chicken ok?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So camels cant be slaughtered either?

Can someone post of list of animals which are allowed to be killed for food? Is chicken ok?

Are you coming to India?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Are you coming to India?

It's not on the top of my list of places to visit.

Do you have a list of animals which cannot be slaughtered? Is the camel also holy?

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's not on the top of my list of places to visit.

Do you have a list of animals which cannot be slaughtered? Is the camel also holy?

Then why are you so concerned?


Food and Security Act certifies only five types of animals fit for consumption (bovines, pigs, poultry, sheep/goat and fish)

 

[www787]

In the honor of this man I'll have a beef (cow) steak.

Shouldn't India be protecting every cow in the world from being slaughtered? Cows are suppose to be holy?

 

[www787]

In the honor of this man I'll have a beef (cow) steak.

Shouldn't India be protecting every cow in the world from being slaughtered? Cows are suppose to be holy?

Correction: Radical Hindu Extremists. Not every Indian, India has huge population of Muslims and peace loving Hindus who wouldn't support the hypocrisy of protecting sacred animal only in India but okay with other countries to sacrifice it for a delicious steak, beef brisket or beef burgers.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Correction: Radical Hindu Extremists. Not every Indian, India has huge population of Muslims and peace loving Hindus who wouldn't support the hypocrisy of protecting sacred animal only in India but okay with other countries to sacrifice it for a delicious steak, beef brisket or beef burgers.

Some of the muslims are hypocrites. They want hindu dominating country to allow Beef( cow) yet in Islamic countries prohibits consuming Pork( pig) even for non muslim people. Im muslim myself and i have absolute no problem with beef banned in India. There are many other source of protein available. Respect the laws of the country. I have no problem with beef banned in India similarly, no problem with Pork banned in Islamic countries.
Some of the muslims in here mostly non Indians are often like to bash anything India related.

 

[R0H1T]

Correction: Radical Hindu Extremists. Not every Indian, India has huge population of Muslims and peace loving Hindus who wouldn't support the hypocrisy of protecting sacred animal only in India but okay with other countries to sacrifice it for a delicious steak, beef brisket or beef burgers.

The hypocrisy of Muslim brotherhood

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...their-hearts-and-let-their-Muslim-brothers-in

Just for the record, I'd say follow the law & put anyone guilty behind bars for life, regardless of who he is!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Correction: Radical Hindu Extremists. Not every Indian, India has huge population of Muslims and peace loving Hindus who wouldn't support the hypocrisy of protecting sacred animal only in India but okay with other countries to sacrifice it for a delicious steak, beef brisket or beef burgers.

What you do in your country is your problem not any Indians.Poking noses into how a sovereign country conducts its internal affairs is unlawful and not appreciated.

 

[big_gamer007]

Disgusting it's still going on.. I would have thought or hoped these are one off incidents but it seems they are increasing in number.. Really pathetic from the state government and central government both to not stop these incidents.. This is the reason why I don't like BJP anymore for all the talk on development ultimately their lower cadre is the same as of every other political party "Goons".. I wish Modi stands up to this disgraceful behaviour and sends a clear message to everyone that this would not be tolerated and hopefully the lower level cadre and fringe groups shall be dealt with properly..

 

[www787]

What you do in your country is your problem not any Indians.Poking noses into how a sovereign country conducts its internal affairs is unlawful and not appreciated.

You must be suffering from selective comprehension issue. When did I say India should change the law or when did I "demand" that India should. If I did, I would have said, "India should change the law and enjoy the steak", but I never did, did I?

Read again.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Then why are you so concerned?


Food and Security Act certifies only five types of animals fit for consumption (bovines, pigs, poultry, sheep/goat and fish)

Im concerned because people are being attacked by extremists simply for trying to feed themselves. Since the radical right wing Modi came into power, the extremists seem to be given a free hand.

I didnt ask what is fit for consumption. I asked which animals in India are banned for slaughter?

 

[www787]

Some of the muslims are hypocrites. They want hindu dominating country to allow Beef( cow) yet in Islamic countries prohibits consuming Pork( pig) even for non muslim people. Im muslim myself and i have absolute no problem with beef banned in India. There are many other source of protein available. Respect the laws of the country. I have no problem with beef banned in India similarly, no problem with Pork banned in Islamic countries.
Some of the muslims in here mostly non Indians are often like to bash anything India related.

No one in Dubai got killed for serving pork. Issue is radical Hindu extremists and their open support by some of the posters and Indian in India.

Do you support radical Muslim exteemists?
If you don't then you should be offended by the hypocrisy of Radical Hindu extremists

 

[CanadianG00se]

No one in Dubai got killed for serving pork. Issue is radical Hindu extremists and their open support by some of the posters and Indian in India.

Do you support radical Muslim exteemists?
If you don't then you should be offended by the hypocrisy of Radical Hindu extremists

I do not support people taking laws into their hands. If anyone found eating/slaughtering cow(s) they should be handed over to the laws. Let the court sentenced them the punishment. However, muslims in India should upheld the laws of India and avoid beef.

Im very certain if non muslim is found serving/eating Pork in some of the muslim countries let say Pakistan, Saudi Arab, i know that person wont be alive. So lets not point fingure at others, every country have flaws.

Whatever happened to the person in Jharkand is very sad and should not happen again to anyone in future. People responsible for it should face justice.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Im concerned because people are being attacked by extremists simply for trying to feed themselves. Since the radical right wing Modi came into power, the extremists seem to be given a free hand.

I didnt ask what is fit for consumption. I asked which animals in India are banned for slaughter?

Lets face it, you're only concerned for Muslims and not people in general. Secondly, muslims should also respect laws of India. Its not that they will starve to death if beef is not available. There are other forms of meat available too.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I do not support people taking laws into their hands. If anyone found eating/slaughtering cow(s) they should be handed over to the laws. Let the court sentenced them the punishment. However, muslims in India should upheld the laws of India and avoid beef.

Im very certain if non muslim is found serving/eating Pork in some of the muslim countries let say Pakistan, Saudi Arab, i know that person wont be alive. So lets not point fingure at others, every country have flaws.

Whatever happened to the person in Jharkand is very sad and should not happen again to anyone in future. People responsible for it should face justice.

Pakistan and Saudi are not the worlds biggest exporters of Pork. India exports beef, so they have no issue killing cows in reality when it comes to profit. The radical Hindu's just dont want Muslims to eat beef in India.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Lets face it, you're only concerned for Muslims and not people in general. Secondly, muslims should also respect laws of India. Its not that they will starve to death if beef is not available. There are other forms of meat available too.

I just find it idiotic a country which exports beef has a ban on beef slaughter within some of it's states. It's important for Pakistan not to have an extremist religous nutjob next door as Prime Minister.

 

[www787]

I do not support people taking laws into their hands. If anyone found eating/slaughtering cow(s) they should be handed over to the laws. Let the court sentenced them the punishment. However, muslims in India should upheld the laws of India and avoid beef.

Im very certain if non muslim is found serving/eating Pork in some of the muslim countries let say Pakistan, Saudi Arab, i know that person wont be alive. So lets not point fingure at others, every country have flaws.

Whatever happened to the person in Jharkand is very sad and should not happen again to anyone in future. People responsible for it should face justice.

Why one shouldn't point fingers at someone for committing crime against humanity and taking the life of someone for merely eating an animal? You have to call out radicalism by pointing it out. From what I gathered from your response, Just like you have and would call out radicalism in Muslim countries and you wouldn't support any extremists like in India in your own country.

Idea of not calling out radical extremists in other part of the world just because similar is happening in your backyard, is, ********, dangerous, and should be against of human decency.

I called out the hypocrisy of Radical Hindu extremists, I never said I support radical Muslim extemists. Because that in itself would be hypocrit.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I just find it idiotic a country which exports beef has a ban on beef slaughter within some of it's states. It's important for Pakistan not to have an extremist religous nutjob next door as Prime Minister.

Well Pakistan and its people should avoid India and vice versa. Dont think it should matter to Pakistani awam who leads India.

Yes, some states beef is banned and residents of that states should respect the decision regardless of their faith.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Why one shouldn't point fingers at someone for committing crime against humanity and taking the life of someone for merely eating an animal? You have to call out radicalism by pointing it out. From what I gathered from your response, Just like you have and would call out radicalism in Muslim countries and you wouldn't support any extremists like in India in your own country.

Idea of not calling out radical extremists in other part of the world just because similar is happening in your backyard, is, ********, dangerous, and should be against of human decency.

I called out the hypocrisy of Radical Hindu extremists, I never said I support radical Muslim extemists. Because that in itself would be hypocrisy.

From where did u got the idea that i support radicalism regardless of religion. I merely stated that people who comitted this crime should face justice. Moving forward, if someone is found in similar situation( possesion of beef) should simply hand it over to the law. Let the people in charge handle it. No need to take laws in their own hands.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Well Pakistan and its people should avoid India and vice versa. Dont think it should matter to Pakistani awam who leads India.

Yes, some states beef is banned and residents of that states should respect the decision regardless of their faith.

You dont know the ground realities if you think Pakistan can just ignore India.

Why should they respect a stupid law esp if the nation is one the largest exporter of beef in the world? If cows are so holy, why killed so many for profit?

 

[www787]

From where did u got the idea that i support radicalism regardless of religion. I merely stated that people who comitted this crime should face justice. Moving forward, if someone is found in similar situation( possesion of beef) should simply hand it over to the law. Let the people in charge handle it. No need to take laws in their own hands.

I never said you did, read again.

 

[R0H1T]

You dont know the ground realities if you think Pakistan can just ignore India.

Why should they respect a stupid law esp if the nation is one the largest exporter of beef in the world? If cows are so holy, why killed so many for profit?

Hypocrisy, basically we're hypocrites when we say "but we let (x)less number of innocents get killed" as compared to Pakistan, a pissing content if you will. You;re hypocrites because, well you know why.

Is hamam mein sab nange hain

perfectly suits every person on earth, at different points in time.

 

[Slog]

Some of the muslims are hypocrites. They want hindu dominating country to allow Beef( cow) yet in Islamic countries prohibits consuming Pork( pig) even for non muslim people. Im muslim myself and i have absolute no problem with beef banned in India. There are many other source of protein available. Respect the laws of the country. I have no problem with beef banned in India similarly, no problem with Pork banned in Islamic countries.
Some of the muslims in here mostly non Indians are often like to bash anything India related.

The Muslim countries you talk about profess to be Islamic countries. So in those countries its norm for Islamic law and customs to be followed.

While India carries out the charade of being a secular country. If India declared itself as a Hindu Rashtra then not many would point out the obvious hypocrisy.

Learn to follow logic

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Muslim countries you talk about profess to be Islamic countries. So in those countries its norm for Islamic law and customs to be followed.

While India carries out the charade of being a secular country. If India declared itself as a Hindu Rashtra then not many would point out the obvious hypocrisy.

Learn to follow logic

We can declare ourselves whatever we want.Dont need to ask anyone's permission or explain anyone. No one except the citizens of that country have a say about how that country is to be run.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You dont know the ground realities if you think Pakistan can just ignore India.

Why should they respect a stupid law esp if the nation is one the largest exporter of beef in the world? If cows are so holy, why killed so many for profit?

Yes Pakistan can if they learn to mind their own business and not poke its nose into what is happening in India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I just find it idiotic a country which exports beef has a ban on beef slaughter within some of it's states. It's important for Pakistan not to have an extremist religous nutjob next door as Prime Minister.

You can find it whatever you want.Its not your place to find. Pakistan doesnt decide who runs India, Its decided by people of India.You can whine about it all you want.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Im concerned because people are being attacked by extremists simply for trying to feed themselves. Since the radical right wing Modi came into power, the extremists seem to be given a free hand.

I didnt ask what is fit for consumption. I asked which animals in India are banned for slaughter?

Its not your concern.Its not your country.What you think about Modi or anyone in India doesnt matter.

Only those animals that are listed in that act can be killed for for food.Rest none.

 

[Black Zero]

The guys who set the house on fire and the guy who slaughtered cow both should be arrested.BTW some discrepancies regarding in various news reports.One has mentioned this guy as a labourer with a thatched roof house.How did he get money to buy 3 cows?

Q: Why the guy who set the house on fire should be arrested?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Q: Why the guy who set the house on fire should be arrested?

He had no right to take law in his hand.He saw that cows were being killed and he should have called the police and let the police handle it.If a crime is committed you report to authorities,you dont be the judge jury and executioner.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes Pakistan can if they learn to mind their own business and not poke its nose into what is happening in India.

You can find it whatever you want.Its not your place to find. Pakistan doesnt decide who runs India, Its decided by people of India.You can whine about it all you want.

Its not your concern.Its not your country.What you think about Modi or anyone in India doesnt matter.

Only those animals that are listed in that act can be killed for for food.Rest none.

You need to accept people can discuss what they like on here and will.

Why isn't there a nationwide ban on cow slaughter?

 

[cricketjoshila]

You need to accept people can discuss what they like on here and will.

Why isn't there a nationwide ban on cow slaughter?

Discussion and poking nose are two different things and just India bashing a totally different one.Its pretty evident what is happening.


These things come under state laws and each state has to make a law.There a limitations on what laws a central govt can make.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Discussion and poking nose are two different things and just India bashing a totally different one.Its pretty evident what is happening.


These things come under state laws and each state has to make a law.There a limitations on what laws a central govt can make.

As long as no house rules are broken people are free to poke or bash. Youre wasting your time.

So some states feel the cow isn't holy enough?

 

[PakLFC]

This is what happens in great India where people are not free to eat what they want. These are the tolerant levels of people obsessed with other folks eating habits. The power of Pak is they can never tell us not to eat their holy cow!

 

[CanadianG00se]

The Muslim countries you talk about profess to be Islamic countries. So in those countries its norm for Islamic law and customs to be followed.

While India carries out the charade of being a secular country. If India declared itself as a Hindu Rashtra then not many would point out the obvious hypocrisy.

Learn to follow logic

You know right, Secularism is all about protecting the values and beliefs of people of different religions.
Now, eating beef is allowed in Muslim but it is no where written that they must eat. They can always opt out for alternate options. Now on the other hand, for hindus its sacred. So, govt have to decide whos values they protect, hindus(80% of population) or muslims(10-12%). Its no rocket science in whose favour laws going to be.
In democratic world, majority supercedes.

 

[CanadianG00se]

You dont know the ground realities if you think Pakistan can just ignore India.

Why should they respect a stupid law esp if the nation is one the largest exporter of beef in the world? If cows are so holy, why killed so many for profit?

if they find countrys law stupid, they are welcome to leave the land. No one is begging them to stay behind. Im an muslim and im perfectly fine with it. Infact i know hundreds and thousands of muslim in my hometown living happily.

Seconly, if Pakistan can not ignore India then its their fault. You also dont know the ground realities that Pakistan absolute have zilch power or capacity to influence anything India related. Pakistan and its people do whatever they want in their land, appoint whoever they want as their leader im sure most Indians dont care. Now i dont get why Pakistanis have problem seeing Modi as our leader?

Is it because he shutdown visas for Pakistanis??

I hope Modi is reappointed in 2019. keep the corrupt congress away far away.

 

[KingKhanWC]

if they find countrys law stupid, they are welcome to leave the land. No one is begging them to stay behind. Im an muslim and im perfectly fine with it. Infact i know hundreds and thousands of muslim in my hometown living happily.

Seconly, if Pakistan can not ignore India then its their fault. You also dont know the ground realities that Pakistan absolute have zilch power or capacity to influence anything India related. Pakistan and its people do whatever they want in their land, appoint whoever they want as their leader im sure most Indians dont care. Now i dont get why Pakistanis have problem seeing Modi as our leader?

Is it because he shutdown visas for Pakistanis??

I hope Modi is reappointed in 2019. keep the corrupt congress away far away.

Indians should leave India and go where? Bottom line is, it's a cow, an animal which has been eaten by humans since early human communities were formed. What is the logic of this animal being holy and goats/sheep not?

India also claims to be a secular nation. Are such laws secular?

It's important for Pakistan to keep an eye on such events in India after they have elected a right wing extremist leader. Pak shares a border and is currently in a proxy war with India.

 

[Black Zero]

He had no right to take law in his hand.He saw that cows were being killed and he should have called the police and let the police handle it.If a crime is committed you report to authorities,you dont be the judge jury and executioner.

Total over the board reaction by police.
In canada we have a law of citizen arrest, India should empower the citizens.

I wish if india could get technology similar to minority report so they could save innocent cows.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Indians should leave India and go where? Bottom line is, it's a cow, an animal which has been eaten by humans since early human communities were formed. What is the logic of this animal being holy and goats/sheep not?

India also claims to be a secular nation. Are such laws secular?

It's important for Pakistan to keep an eye on such events in India after they have elected a right wing extremist leader. Pak shares a border and is currently in a proxy war with India.

Same logic as Pig being haram. Why dont muslims eat Pig?

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is what happens in great India where people are not free to eat what they want. These are the tolerant levels of people obsessed with other folks eating habits. The power of Pak is they can never tell us not to eat their holy cow!

We dont care about Pak!!! Will be glad if you stop caring about us!!!!

Our country our rules.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indians should leave India and go where? Bottom line is, it's a cow, an animal which has been eaten by humans since early human communities were formed. What is the logic of this animal being holy and goats/sheep not?

India also claims to be a secular nation. Are such laws secular?

It's important for Pakistan to keep an eye on such events in India after they have elected a right wing extremist leader. Pak shares a border and is currently in a proxy war with India.

Bottomline is what you think should happen in India is of little consequence.You can do whatever you in your own country,i will do whatever i want in my own country.You want to eat cow eat it in your country,not in mine.

India isnt in the business of asking certificates for secularism.You think India isnt your wish.

Pakistan can keep eye,whine do whatever,Indians will elect whoever they want there isnt anything any foreigner can do.

 

[kabbirann]

Remember talking to one of my Aussie mates about how during partition,cows and pigs would be killed and thrown into temples and mosques and people would riot because of that.
She said if this was Australia,they would just put them on the barbie(barbecue) and eat them.

This treating an animal as holy or unholy is beyond stupid.
India and Pakistan have a long way to go before they catch up with the developed world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As long as no house rules are broken people are free to poke or bash. Youre wasting your time.

So some states feel the cow isn't holy enough?

What house rules?I didnot know we were making rules to run the world here.

Well each state is free to decide,thats how federalism works.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Remember talking to one of my Aussie mates about how during partition,cows and pigs would be killed and thrown into temples and mosques and people would riot because of that.
She said if this was Australia,they would just put them on the barbie(barbecue) and eat them.

This treating an animal as holy or unholy is beyond stupid.
India and Pakistan have a long way to go before they catch up with the developed world.

Everyone has their religious beliefs, try respecting them.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Remember talking to one of my Aussie mates about how during partition,cows and pigs would be killed and thrown into temples and mosques and people would riot because of that.
She said if this was Australia,they would just put them on the barbie(barbecue) and eat them.

This treating an animal as holy or unholy is beyond stupid.
India and Pakistan have a long way to go before they catch up with the developed world.

Yea would be same in Canada. Meat dont go waste here in Canada.

I personally think most south asians are very sensitive and gets easily ticked off. When i used to live in India, i hated azaan on loud speakers. I mean if people want to pray so do it behind closed door, why annoy the neighbours. Similarly, i also hated the loud music during hindu festivals.

Here in Canada its so quite and peaceful that in most cases you wouldnt even know who is your neighbour.

Agree with your last statement, India and Pakistan have lot to overcome before they can catch up to western world, and i dont mean economically.

 

[Slog]

You know right, Secularism is all about protecting the values and beliefs of people of different religions.
Now, eating beef is allowed in Muslim but it is no where written that they must eat. They can always opt out for alternate options. Now on the other hand, for hindus its sacred. So, govt have to decide whos values they protect, hindus(80% of population) or muslims(10-12%). Its no rocket science in whose favour laws going to be.
In democratic world, majority supercedes.

You clearly don't have any idea of what secularism is and how it works

 

[CanadianG00se]

You clearly don't have any idea of what secularism is and how it works

Maybe not but i dont care how it should be worked. Im satisfied with how it is working right now. As an Indian im satified by my country's law. It doesnt make any difference to us if an outsider have a problem.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You clearly don't have any idea of what secularism is and how it works

And you know everything about secularism since Pakistan is secular.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Maybe not but i dont care how it should be worked. Im satisfied with how it is working right now. As an Indian im satified by my country's law. It doesnt make any difference to us if an outsider have a problem.

IDK why some foreigners have issues how we run our country.Its not their concern.If majority of Indians are happy then thats it.

 

[maxamax]

Some of the muslims are hypocrites. They want hindu dominating country to allow Beef( cow) yet in Islamic countries prohibits consuming Pork( pig) even for non muslim people. Im muslim myself and i have absolute no problem with beef banned in India. There are many other source of protein available. Respect the laws of the country. I have no problem with beef banned in India similarly, no problem with Pork banned in Islamic countries.
Some of the muslims in here mostly non Indians are often like to bash anything India related.

Both pork and beef should be allowed in both countries. It should be your own iman stopping you from consuming one.

But we're living in such a hypocrite place where people find it okay to show uncovered/pampered ladies even on media. Only pork meat is considered as a sin.

 

[Slog]

And you know everything about secularism since Pakistan is secular.

No Ive lived in countries which are actually secular

 

[cricketjoshila]

No Ive lived in countries which are actually secular

Thats your opinion.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

IDK why some foreigners have issues how we run our country.Its not their concern.If majority of Indians are happy then thats it.

Foreigners always have issues with how others run their country, even if the majority are happy, you still can't ignore if minorities are being oppressed. You yourself were a loud champion of Indians offering Hindus and Sikhs of Pakistan visas to move to India. You need to put an end to this hypocritical mantra that India's business is no one else's if you can't practice what you preach.

 

[www787]

IDK why some foreigners have issues how we run our country.Its not their concern.If majority of Indians are happy then thats it.

So, that mean majority of Indians are okay with the injustice killing of minority. In other word, majority of Indian supports Radicalism and extremists. Surprise, because, most Indians are quick to say their country is secular.

And yes! I'm criticizing India and I'm not Indian citizen. Why? Because I can.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Foreigners always have issues with how others run their country, even if the majority are happy, you still can't ignore if minorities are being oppressed. You yourself were a loud champion of Indians offering Hindus and Sikhs of Pakistan visas to move to India. You need to put an end to this hypocritical mantra that India's business is no one else's if you can't practice what you preach.

I dont support foreign origin irrespective of religion to be granted asylum in India.These hindus and sikhs arrived from pakistan on different visas and then applied for asylum here.It will be good if you can keep your people with you.

Well foreigners can keep having issues it means zilch to us.Yes Indias business is no one else's.We dont interfere anywhere unless some other country's issue spills over and starts affecting India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So, that mean majority of Indians are okay with the injustice killing of minority. In other word, majority of Indian supports Radicalism and extremists. Surprise, because, most Indians are quick to say their country is secular.

And yes! I'm criticizing India and I'm not Indian citizen. Why? Because I can.

And Indians can do whatever they want inside india and no foreigner can do a thing about it.

 

[www787]

And Indians can do whatever they want inside india and no foreigner can do a thing about it.

You're mistaking again. Foreigner can do a lot, criticize, raise the issue of minority.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You're mistaking again. Foreigner can do a lot, criticize, raise the issue of minority.

Go raise.Criticise. you can bring out a 100k people protest march somewhere in your country.It will still gave no affect on India or any other sovereign nation.

Foreigner can do nothing.Absolutely nothing.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Same logic as Pig being haram. Why dont muslims eat Pig?

Not because they feel it's holy but because of what pigs can eat and put in their bodies.

If India claims to be secular(Pakistan doesnt) then why have such religious laws?

 

[KingKhanWC]

We dont care about Pak!!! Will be glad if you stop caring about us!!!!

Our country our rules.

Bottomline is what you think should happen in India is of little consequence.You can do whatever you in your own country,i will do whatever i want in my own country.You want to eat cow eat it in your country,not in mine.

India isnt in the business of asking certificates for secularism.You think India isnt your wish.

Pakistan can keep eye,whine do whatever,Indians will elect whoever they want there isnt anything any foreigner can do.

What house rules?I didnot know we were making rules to run the world here.

Well each state is free to decide,thats how federalism works.

I was reffering to the rules of this forum. There are no restrictions on anyone discussing any country or what their opinion is. Get used to it.

Please dont use the world 'we' as you dont speak for the BJP government or the BCCI.

If I feel India is a hypocrite for claiming to be secular but also introducing such laws based on religion then it's a fair point and one im entitled to, no matter how much you whine.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I was reffering to the rules of this forum. There are no restrictions on anyone discussing any country or what their opinion is. Get used to it.

Please dont use the world 'we' as you dont speak for the BJP government or the BCCI.

If I feel India is a hypocrite for claiming to be secular but also introducing such laws based on religion then it's a fair point and one im entitled to, no matter how much you whine.

There is no restriction on discussing anything about India in Karachi Lahore or Islamabad.Does that affect me or India?Why should i get used to something that doesnt affect me?

I speak as an Indian.I dont have to be in BJP or the govt or any organisation to speak about India as an Indian.

You can feel whatever you want.Doesnt affect India in the least.Your opinion doesnt matter in India.The only one whining is you, about why India doesnt let cows being slaughtered.Well our country our rules no amount of whining from any foreigner anywhere will change that.

 

[KingKhanWC]

There is no restriction on discussing anything about India in Karachi Lahore or Islamabad.Does that affect me or India?Why should i get used to something that doesnt affect me?

I speak as an Indian.I dont have to be in BJP or the govt or any organisation to speak about India as an Indian.

You can feel whatever you want.Doesnt affect India in the least.Your opinion doesnt matter in India.The only one whining is you, about why India doesnt let cows being slaughtered.Well our country our rules no amount of whining from any foreigner anywhere will change that.

Nobody is here to change anything in India. People will discuss and criticise India as they wish, if this bothers you dont read their posts instead of repeating the same mantra over and over again.

India is not a secular nation which it claims to be. It voted in right wing religious party which has fanned the flames of communal discord. These extremist Hindus need to forget the past and work to change their mindsets, they are only ruining their own country. This is my view, keep reading.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nobody is here to change anything in India. People will discuss and criticise India as they wish, if this bothers you dont read their posts instead of repeating the same mantra over and over again.

Any foreigner can discuss criticise India anywhere outside India's borders,why will it bother.Similarly i can also tell that foreigner that his opinion matters ZERO in India.

India is not a secular nation which it claims to be. It voted in right wing religious party which has fanned the flames of communal discord. These extremist Hindus need to forget the past and work to change their mindsets, they are only ruining their own country. This is my view, keep reading.

A foreigner can gather 100k people and express this opinion a 100 times anywhere outside India,vent out his frustration, as that is all a foreigner can do.India willnot be affected.Hindus will not be affected.

 

[KingKhanWC]

^ lol Nobody is trying to change India. As far as im concerned it can stay the way it is, a third world country, deluded into thinking its secular.

 

[PakLFC]

We dont care about Pak!!! Will be glad if you stop caring about us!!!!

Our country our rules.

Who said anything about "caring" for India?. I am free to comment on India.

 

[FreakCricket]

Yea would be same in Canada. Meat dont go waste here in Canada.

I personally think most south asians are very sensitive and gets easily ticked off. When i used to live in India, i hated azaan on loud speakers. I mean if people want to pray so do it behind closed door, why annoy the neighbours. Similarly, i also hated the loud music during hindu festivals.

Here in Canada its so quite and peaceful that in most cases you wouldnt even know who is your neighbour.

Agree with your last statement, India and Pakistan have lot to overcome before they can catch up to western world, and i dont mean economically.

hypocrite spotted, you want muslims to not eat beef and wont tolerate their azans ? no respect for others religion wow!

 

[CanadianG00se]

hypocrite spotted, you want muslims to not eat beef and wont tolerate their azans ? no respect for others religion wow!

What a load of hog wash
Read again dude

I said people should follow the rule of the nation. If ban on beef is uplifted then sure.
Here in Canada beef is easily available. Did u see me complaining about muslims eating beef here?

Stop with religious crap. Here in Canada no mosque is allowed to have loud speakers. So does that make Canadian govt intolerant towards muslims? I dont care if people want to pray but dont just force down my throat. Loud speakers should be banned not just for azaan but also for weddings, Hindu festival like Ganesh utsav etc. Just because i find loud noise annoying doesnt mean im disrespecting any religion. Stop twisting words.

All im saying is that Azaan or any other religion function should be limited to their four walls. It shouldnt be played out loud and disturb the neighbourhood. Im sure people who want to pray they will reach mosque regardless of whether azaan is played out loud or not.

Last thing, im muslim myself a proud muslim. Muslims in Toronto seems to be perfectly fine without azaan played out loud then, why does it seems 'religious intolerance' if i just suggested if they follow similar practise in mumbai?

Hopefully i have explained you my POV

 

[dauntless]

The so called democratic and secular country at it's best!! Beautiful country!!
#mera bharat mahaan
This has been happening this will happen no one can stop this modi's has made it even worse!!
#GOD SAVE US

 

[the Great Khan]

"its the Muslims fault..look at what ISIS is doing and why didnt they complain about the pundits in kashmir? serves them right jai Hind. ab hum batain gay in musloan ko.." standard thinking of Indians online when discussing atrocities in India..

 

[the Great Khan]

What a load of hog wash
Read again dude

I said people should follow the rule of the nation. If ban on beef is uplifted then sure.
Here in Canada beef is easily available. Did u see me complaining about muslims eating beef here?

Stop with religious crap. Here in Canada no mosque is allowed to have loud speakers. So does that make Canadian govt intolerant towards muslims? I dont care if people want to pray but dont just force down my throat. Loud speakers should be banned not just for azaan but also for weddings, Hindu festival like Ganesh utsav etc. Just because i find loud noise annoying doesnt mean im disrespecting any religion. Stop twisting words.

All im saying is that Azaan or any other religion function should be limited to their four walls. It shouldnt be played out loud and disturb the neighbourhood. Im sure people who want to pray they will reach mosque regardless of whether azaan is played out loud or not.

Last thing, im muslim myself a proud muslim. Muslims in Toronto seems to be perfectly fine without azaan played out loud then, why does it seems 'religious intolerance' if i just suggested if they follow similar practise in mumbai?

Hopefully i have explained you my POV

"India" isnt Canada. Muslims were in India before there was anything called India and are a part of the land and culture..suddenly asking them to silence their azaans is uncivilised.

 

[cricketjoshila]

"its the Muslims fault..look at what ISIS is doing and why didnt they complain about the pundits in kashmir? serves them right jai Hind. ab hum batain gay in musloan ko.." standard thinking of Indians online when discussing atrocities in India..

Dont attach your own corrupted fearful thinking on Indians.Indians also include Muslims.

 

[akki]

"India" isnt Canada. Muslims were in India before there was anything called India and are a part of the land and culture..suddenly asking them to silence their azaans is uncivilised.

Bharat was always here since centuries. Do some research on it. You will get to know .

 

[the Great Khan]

Bharat was always here since centuries. Do some research on it. You will get to know .

i know thats my point. But "india" is a modern construct..and Muslims have been a part of it for centuries.

 

[the Great Khan]

Dont attach your own corrupted fearful thinking on Indians.Indians also include Muslims.

lol, the only corrupted thinking and mentality I see is from online indian trolls who are enjoying every minute of the hardships endured by Muslims today. And when called out pretend they give a damn..

 

[cricketjoshila]

i know thats my point. But "india" is a modern construct..and Muslims have been a part of it for centuries.

Megasthenes wrote a book Indica.The greeks referred to people beyond Indus and in and around Indus as INDOI.

The europeans were looking for the.route to India.


The word Indus itself is derived from the word Sindhu which is a sanskrit word.Even today the constitution of India officially calls the country Bharat(A word used even in ancient Hindu texts to describe the subcontinent.

 

[the Great Khan]

Megasthenes wrote a book Indica.The greeks referred to people beyond Indus and in and around Indus as INDOI.

The europeans were looking for the.route to India.


The word Indus itself is derived from the word Sindhu which is a sanskrit word.Even today the constitution of India officially calls the country Bharat(A word used even in ancient Hindu texts to describe the subcontinent.

yes yes I know all of this..and your making my point for me. In this land that has been here for hundreds of years you have a community who have lived here for many hundreds of years but are now facing persecution (creeping persecution) when they shouldnt have to and should be seen as a part of the land and culture.

 

[cricketjoshila]

lol, the only corrupted thinking and mentality I see is from online indian trolls who are enjoying every minute of the hardships endured by Muslims today. And when called out pretend they give a damn..

I dont know how you confidently nail anyone as Indian online.

India is a emerging economy and everyone has to face some hardship somewhere.May be you only see muslims.

Everyone has to follow the law of the land and no one should get any special treatment.If anyone is involved in any kind of crime againist any Indian then that person is to face justice.

Called out by whom?Why should any Indian be answerable to any foreigner?They are right if they dont give a damb to what a foreigner has to say about internal matters of India?

 

[cricketjoshila]

yes yes I know all of this..and your making my point for me. In this land that has been here for hundreds of years you have a community who have lived here for many hundreds of years but are now facing persecution (creeping persecution) when they shouldnt have to and should be seen as a part of the land and culture.

You called india a modern concept which is wrong.

Can you clarify regarding this persecution thing?What are you exactly talking about?