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Many people face a forced tradeoff between a satisfying job and a big paycheck. I guess achieving the right balance depends on a person's priorities, family obligations and spending habit. As I embark on the labor market, I often ponder this question. Don't have the answer yet.

So, what do you prefer? Discuss.
 
It depends and it not always a trade off either. I sincerely believe if you are good at something and enjoy it you will eventually do well in it from a financial standpoint too.

Ofcourse You certainly dont want to be in a job where you are miserable the whole time. But you cant just keep complaining if its not your ideal job i feel.

how do you look at sth which you enjoy but have to most likely work crazy hours too!

I personally think you should be willing to do the hard yards till you are like 28-30 if you are interested in the field and see great exit opps for the future
 
Chase your dreams even if you have to sacrifice the first few years unless of course there are immediate family obligations. All the best.
 
It depends and it not always a trade off either. I sincerely believe if you are good at something and enjoy it you will eventually do well in it from a financial standpoint too.

Chase your dreams even if you have to sacrifice the first few years unless of course there are immediate family obligations. All the best.

Both good points.
 
Job Satisfaction for me, unless as someone mentioned above, if you have family obligations to meet.
 
depend on financial status & responsibilities
if someone is well off & financially settle with less responsibilities of family, kids, loan, rent etc his foremost priority would to do a satisfying job unless he is not a greedy individual vice versa a person who is not financially settle will prefer higher salary to fulfill his needs.

I myself prefer an easy & comfortable cozy job as I am engaged in poultry farming too.
 
Job satisfaction should not satisfy you enough to resist being out of comfort zone and go for higher salary.

Both are very important, and as far as I know, one leads to the other.
 
Job satisfaction should not satisfy you enough to resist being out of comfort zone and go for higher salary.

Both are very important, and as far as I know, one leads to the other.

Being out of your comfort zone to take up a crappy but high paying job has its advantages/disadvantages.

Being out of your comfort zone to take up a job that will increase your skills and help you grow has its advantages/disadvanatges (but it will work very well for the future).

What do you do for living bro?

Personally, are you satisfied with your job or you prefer to take up a bad job out of your comfort zone with high pay or you prefer to take up a job out of your comfort zone but with great future prospects?

Curious.
 
Being out of your comfort zone to take up a crappy but high paying job has its advantages/disadvantages.

Being out of your comfort zone to take up a job that will increase your skills and help you grow has its advantages/disadvanatges (but it will work very well for the future).

What do you do for living bro?

Personally, are you satisfied with your job or you prefer to take up a bad job out of your comfort zone with high pay or you prefer to take up a job out of your comfort zone but with great future prospects?

Curious.

I am lucky that I am in a job which is giving me satisfaction.. in the sense that if I am left alone with all the free time in the world, and ask to pick 10 things to do for fun, this job will be one of them. There are a few niggles here, but still overall I am happy.

I am not sure how good is the pay because we don't get to compare, and comparison is a futile exercise anyway.. so "high" is not defined for me.
 
My thought process is as below

Do I live to work or work to live?

I work to live. So then you need to decide how much you need to live. Pick the job accordingly (after initial training years)

Naturally you will try to find one of these which gives you ''job satisfaction.'' This means different things for different people, but you need to decide what it means for you.
 
My theory is as follows:

1) Work of interest
2) Money
3) Location
4) Company Brand Value
5) Work Life Balance

If you have started your career and even 3 things from above score high for you, then you are lucky and should be satisfied.
 
I've given more importance to work-life balance over money in my short career. I'd rather earn less and have more time to enjoy life outside work, then work long hours and make extra $.

Mind you, friends who graduated around the same time have chosen the private sector and the income differential within 2-3 years is very clear. It's just a matter of priorities.
 
In my case i am following my passion and my passion is earning me money, so i can say Job satisfaction is main thing because if you have grip on what you are doing you can achieve much better in your life and handsome salary will not be an issue
 
Money.

Hate to say it but I'm being honest.

Means I can provide for my family better.
 
Money.

Hate to say it but I'm being honest.

Means I can provide for my family better.

At a given point in any man's life, he must make the unselfish decision and think about his family first.

But if you enjoy what you do, you will be good at what you do, you will excel at what you do, and more often than not you will get due reward for what you do. If your family can understand that and hold on for the ride it would be better for all involved.
 
Money.

Hate to say it but I'm being honest.

Means I can provide for my family better.

Probably for some. But I think people can be genuinely interested in what they do, and not care for money, and be happy about it too.
 
Its not always that more money means better care of the family. Sometimes less money may result in better care of the family.

For example there is a person who has family (wife, kids and parents), lives in a house (mortgage not paid yet), kids go to a top school which is near his home (20 minutes drive 1 way), his job is near his home (20 minutes drive 1 way), hours on job are bit flexible. Sometimes he can even work from home in some special cases without taking the day off.

He is then offered another job where he will make $20,000 more per year than what he is making now. But that job is 1 hours drive 1 way, hours on job are strict, he cannot work from home in any case. So what should he do?
 
In the long run, everyone is dead....so go for money, job satisfaction will come every month end

Well on the flip side you can argue that if everyone is going to die and given that most of our life is spent working, then if you go for money and a job that does not give you any satisfaction at all, then you have basically lived a miserable life, with only a few moments of joy.
 
High salary any day. If that means I have to do something I don't like, then well, I'll be able to do everything I like after I get that paycheck! :D
 
look at people at the top of their game in any industry, and one thing that runs common is their love for what they do. some people have responsibilities which mean they have to choose to earn what they can because they need it, but where possible you should look to be employed in something you have a passion and interest for. only that way can you be mentally involved and motivated on a level to be creative and proactive beyond your immediate job concerns, and that is what drives career progression.

it can be very tough, speaking from personal experience, especially when you have no money and all your friends have stable careers, when people (including family) question why you would persist in something that may just be a wild punt you're staking your future on. but if you work hard, and get a lucky break or two, it will be worth it. of course as with any gamble, theres always the risk you gain nothing, but if you truly believe in yourself you will persist nonetheless.
 
As we are at this topic, what salary or income P/A do ppers consider to be good. Of course, most would prefer it to be the more the better but what is realistic income? Europe/ UK and US ppers.


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As we are at this topic, what salary or income P/A do ppers consider to be good. Of course, most would prefer it to be the more the better but what is realistic income? Europe/ UK and US ppers.


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depends on your qualifications too right

a guy who graduated with top honors from grad school will think a salary of $60-70k per year is peanuts but for someone who just went to high school this is golden

like I know rig operators in the US easily make close to $100k per year and are little more than high school graduates. But their hours are weird and location is in middle of nowhere so that same $100k job for someone else with diff priorities or better education will not be worth it
 
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depends on your qualifications too right

a guy who graduated with top honors from grad school will think a salary of $60-70k per year is peanuts but for someone who just went to high school this is golden

like I know rig operators in the US easily make close to $100k per year and are little more than high school graduates. But their hours are weird and location is in middle of nowhere so that same $100k job for someone else with diff priorities or better education will not be worth it

Another example is Investment Banking. 100K starting salary but 100 hours a week.
 
As we are at this topic, what salary or income P/A do ppers consider to be good. Of course, most would prefer it to be the more the better but what is realistic income? Europe/ UK and US ppers.


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Depends on the cost of living. According to a famous study, annual household income of $75,000 is what most people are content with. The law of diminishing returns starts to kick in beyond $75,000.

http://www.pnas.org/content/107/38/16489.abstract
 
Yup, 75K annual income in San fran, or NYC will get you nowhere. The rents alone will easily consume more than half your annual salary if its around 75K. Earning anything less than 120K for a family would get you into trouble.
 
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Well according to the authors, where you live and the cost of living there has a small influence on that $75,000. I'm sure they explain that result. Haven't looked at their methodology but at least one of the authors is well renowned.
 
Also the question is not whether the amount is enough or not. Of course, the cost of living adjustments would make it higher in some states and lower in others.
 
If you have no family obligations then it's a crazy idea to not do what you love. Do what you love and money will follow. Money does improve your life but after a certain point, extra money is not going to make you happier.

Most people don't figure out what they love and retire doing some other work. If you happen to find something which you love and it allows you to live reasonably well, then not doing it will be a crazy idea. You get one life, live it fully.
 
Money is the most important tangible asset in the world, and nothing compares to it. All this job satisfaction and chasing your dreams etc. is rubbish, because what is the point of chasing your dreams and the satisfaction if you and your family will not be able to enjoy a high standard of living.

So many professionals are not satisfied with their jobs and in fact hate it, but whose to complain when it fills your pockets. At the end of the day, what you love and what gives you pleasure will not put food on your table, nor will it pay your kids' tuition fee and nor will it fulfill the needs of your wife and parents.

You cannot eat and wear your passion.

Of course, there is nothing better than your love and passion filling your pockets, but if that is not the case as it often is, then you simply have to make do.
 
Money is the most important tangible asset in the world, and nothing compares to it. All this job satisfaction and chasing your dreams etc. is rubbish, because what is the point of chasing your dreams and the satisfaction if you and your family will not be able to enjoy a high standard of living.

So many professionals are not satisfied with their jobs and in fact hate it, but whose to complain when it fills your pockets. At the end of the day, what you love and what gives you pleasure will not put food on your table, nor will it pay your kids' tuition fee and nor will it fulfill the needs of your wife and parents.

You cannot eat and wear your passion.

Of course, there is nothing better than your love and passion filling your pockets, but if that is not the case as it often is, then you simply have to make do.

so just because most people end up in a position that they work for money doing something they may not necessarily like, aspiring to a career with job satisfaction, and in something you are passionate about is "rubbish"??

thats the biggest load of balls ever mate.

there is absolutely nothing wrong in having a crack at doing something you are passionate about, because if you dont, fifteen years later you'll be sitting behind a desk regretting it, getting your comfortable mid level salary and contemplating your next 25 years as a nondescript cog in a machine, resenting the supposed sacrifice you made, and those you made it for, to lie to yourself about the fact that when push came to shove you pussied out of having a crack because you were scared of failing.

yes some people have immediate financial constraints that means they must give up on their dreams, and props to them for making real sacrifices, but thats not everyone, least of all middle class kids, sitting on laptops killing hours on a internet forum.
 
the idea that you can find a job that is the perfect balance of job satisfaction and salary is a Steve Jobs dream.
By that i mean yes Steve Jobs, Bill Gates did drop out and succeed but you need to remember for every Steve Jobs there are thousands of tom, dick and harry. Figure out what is important for you. You dont and cant be happy 24 hours a day. Find your happiness by understanding what makes you happy and spend more time maximizing it. 8-10 hours a day 5 days a week, you might not love your work but if it pays well and lets you enjoy the rest go for it. Job Satisfaction is overraated. You need to find your inflection point
 
I went with neither...I went with whatever gave me the best way to an easy lifestyle...hence English teacher...saying that I do enjoy the job...but part of its appeal is i do around 20hours a week ...have no morning starts...and this gives me enough to live comfortably...not if i was settled with children...but as someone who rents a room and has no-one to provide for other than myself i am live quite nicely...

For me free time outside work is priority...i prioritise working to live as opposed to vice versa...
 
so just because most people end up in a position that they work for money doing something they may not necessarily like, aspiring to a career with job satisfaction, and in something you are passionate about is "rubbish"??

thats the biggest load of balls ever mate.

there is absolutely nothing wrong in having a crack at doing something you are passionate about, because if you dont, fifteen years later you'll be sitting behind a desk regretting it, getting your comfortable mid level salary and contemplating your next 25 years as a nondescript cog in a machine, resenting the supposed sacrifice you made, and those you made it for, to lie to yourself about the fact that when push came to shove you pussied out of having a crack because you were scared of failing.

yes some people have immediate financial constraints that means they must give up on their dreams, and props to them for making real sacrifices, but thats not everyone, least of all middle class kids, sitting on laptops killing hours on a internet forum.

Read my post again: there is nothing better than having a job that you absolutely love, and gives you financial security. Every person wants that, but majority of us are not able to achieve that because more often than not, what we love is not very practical. I am not talking about people who dream of becoming doctors, engineers, lawyers etc., they belong in a different category.

'Having a crack' at what cost? How willing you be to take risks that may or may not pay-off if you have your kids, wife and parents to look after? If it pays off, you'll be lauded for your ambition and courage and of course there are examples around us, but if you fail and there also plenty of examples on that front, you'll be regarded as a failure and an irresponsible person.

That is why most people take the safe route, because there are people dependent on the them and of course, low risk = low reward. If your love and passion does not fulfill your tangible needs than pursuing it as a professional career is simply a waste of time and selfish behavior.

Fifteen years down the line, I'd rather look back and think of what 'could have been' rather than regret what I did for my personal goals, even if it came at the expense of the people that are dependent on me. Its better to give up on your impractical dreams instead of risking everything.

What you call 'pussying out' is nothing but putting the needs of your family ahead of your personal ambitions, and that is not being scared of failing; that is responsible and mature behavior.

Last sentence is extremely simplistic - most people in the practical world have some sort of financial constraints, and they vary depending on your social status. Unless you are truly independent and have no one banking on you, you will always have to make some sacrifices and give up on some of your dreams, whether you are a beggar or a millionaire. People spending hours on internet forums are still working and studying, in today's world of smartphones and 24/7 connectivity, it does not take much to interact with other people on the internet, but yes it can prove detrimental to your social life because you can spend this time interacting with real people who make an impact in your life and have some significance, instead of chattering with keyboard warriors whom you will never meet in life, and yes I am guilty of that as well.

The idea of 'pursuing your dreams' and 'taking risks' is all nice and dandy, but the real world does not work like that, because most people are risk-averse and for a good reason. Those who are willing to take risks and succeed are the ones remembered in history, and any person would love to be in their shoes, but most of the people are not willing to put everything on the line in the first place, and that is why most of the people in the world do not achieve much, simply because their priority is to give themselves and their families a good standard of living without risking everything.
 
Both are almost equally important, but after a certain amount of money, you require job satisfaction. It's better to do a job which gives you happiness even if it pays lower.
 
'Having a crack' at what cost? How willing you be to take risks that may or may not pay-off if you have your kids, wife and parents to look after? If it pays off, you'll be lauded for your ambition and courage and of course there are examples around us, but if you fail and there also plenty of examples on that front, you'll be regarded as a failure and an irresponsible person.

wife, kids, in your early twenties? if you aint got the means to support them dont get married. theres no reason you cant get married in your late twenties or early thirties, this easily gives you 5 to 10 years to dedicate to what you want to do, and if you it doesnt work out then whats the big deal, loads of people have to re evaluate things at some point in their lives, and being in your late twenties is by no stretch too old to "get serious" if things dont work out.

secondly so what if your regarded as a failiure by others? doest mean you cant do something else. id respect someone more for taking a risk personally.

That is why most people take the safe route, because there are people dependent on the them and of course, low risk = low reward. If your love and passion does not fulfill your tangible needs than pursuing it as a professional career is simply a waste of time and selfish behavior.

Fifteen years down the line, I'd rather look back and think of what 'could have been' rather than regret what I did for my personal goals, even if it came at the expense of the people that are dependent on me. Its better to give up on your impractical dreams instead of risking everything.

What you call 'pussying out' is nothing but putting the needs of your family ahead of your personal ambitions, and that is not being scared of failing; that is responsible and mature behavior.

your only real responsibility in your early twenties should be, at most, your parents, if your the oldest your parents pbly can still economically support themselves whilst your young, and if your not then you may have siblings you can share the burden with. situations where a child must immediately provide for their parents are few and far between in the economically developed world (which is this sites primary audience)

the choice you describe is unrealistically stark, there is no profession that if you have some competence in (other than maybe being a poet) that would leave you destitute. the question is whether earning less in the short term is worth it, for greater returns, both fiscal and non monetary in the long term.

The idea of 'pursuing your dreams' and 'taking risks' is all nice and dandy, but the real world does not work like that, because most people are risk-averse and for a good reason. Those who are willing to take risks and succeed are the ones remembered in history, and any person would love to be in their shoes, but most of the people are not willing to put everything on the line in the first place, and that is why most of the people in the world do not achieve much, simply because their priority is to give themselves and their families a good standard of living without risking everything.

people are risk averse because the world tells us that failure is shameful.

everyone succeeds and fails all the time, its just that society sees large failures as somehow worse than small failings when in reality failing small means you never had the faith in yourself to give it everything, and in doing so you made failure ever the more likely.

it is the large failings that should be lauded because when you give something everything and fail, then you are wiser for knowing either you did something wrong, or you were never good enough in the first place.
 
wife, kids, in your early twenties? if you aint got the means to support them dont get married. theres no reason you cant get married in your late twenties or early thirties, this easily gives you 5 to 10 years to dedicate to what you want to do, and if you it doesnt work out then whats the big deal, loads of people have to re evaluate things at some point in their lives, and being in your late twenties is by no stretch too old to "get serious" if things dont work out.

secondly so what if your regarded as a failiure by others? doest mean you cant do something else. id respect someone more for taking a risk personally.

Even if you are in your early twenties and are unmarried, in fact if you still don't have a job, you still don't have the full freedom to do what you like and pursue your interests because in any case, it will either involve both or one of the following two aspects:

1. Money 2. Time

If it involves money, and you are not earning yourself yet, you will be worried about not wasting what your parents earned, just because you want to pursue a dream of yours. What will you do if it does not work out and you lose it all?

Even if it does not involve money, it will surely involve time and again, it's a trade-off - will you risk not giving enough time to your education and not getting a professional qualification and instead, use this time to pursue your dream? Yes you can always go back to university at some point later on if it does not work for you, but what about the social pressures? How willing will your parents be for you to put your education aside for a few years and experiment? In our society and culture, you cannot do things at your own pace - you have to keep up with the world or will you be left behind.

your only real responsibility in your early twenties should be, at most, your parents, if your the oldest your parents pbly can still economically support themselves whilst your young, and if your not then you may have siblings you can share the burden with. situations where a child must immediately provide for their parents are few and far between in the economically developed world (which is this sites primary audience)

the choice you describe is unrealistically stark, there is no profession that if you have some competence in (other than maybe being a poet) that would leave you destitute. the question is whether earning less in the short term is worth it, for greater returns, both fiscal and non monetary in the long term.

people are risk averse because the world tells us that failure is shameful.

everyone succeeds and fails all the time, its just that society sees large failures as somehow worse than small failings when in reality failing small means you never had the faith in yourself to give it everything, and in doing so you made failure ever the more likely.

it is the large failings that should be lauded because when you give something everything and fail, then you are wiser for knowing either you did something wrong, or you were never good enough in the first place.

Even if you are single and have just got a job, your main goal will be to maintain a balance between enjoying a good living standard and saving/investing for the future. Why? because you know that one day you'll have a family of your own which will depend on you. You cannot blow away your money right now because no one is depending on you, because you have to consider your financial status 10-15 years down the line.

People are not risk-averse because other people tell them that failing is bad; people are risk-averse because of the negative consequences of their risks not paying off. Different prospects have different risks, and the trade-off is not worth it for most people in the world which is why majority of us don't like to take risks and thus remain ignorant of our true potential.

I feel you are being too harsh on people who take the safe route (majority of us are like that) because when you look at the bigger picture, the guilt and regret of things not working out is greater than the potential feeling of accomplishment.

If its your parents' money, you won't risk wasting it;

if its your time, you won't risk wasting it over something that may not yield rewards in the future, which is why most of us end up taking the safe route of going to University to get a professional degree;

If it involves your own money, you still won't risk it because you have one eye on the future and will look to save, because you know you will have to sustain a family in the future;

If you have a wife and children, you will not take risks so that they don't have to face the consequences and they are your responsibility.

Most of the people don't take risks because of the aforementioned reasons and they fall in these categories. Simply knowing (after you have failed) that you are wiser for it or you were not good enough in the first place is not good enough for most of the people in the practical world, which is why they are fully justified in not taking risks, but on the other hand, those that do and succeed are the ones that are remembered and revered.
 
I will put my manager hat now :)

If you do not get job satisfaction from your well paying job, then take a big mortgage. You will start loving your job.
 
Even if you are in your early twenties and are unmarried, in fact if you still don't have a job, you still don't have the full freedom to do what you like and pursue your interests because in any case, it will either involve both or one of the following two aspects:

1. Money 2. Time

If it involves money, and you are not earning yourself yet, you will be worried about not wasting what your parents earned, just because you want to pursue a dream of yours. What will you do if it does not work out and you lose it all?

Even if it does not involve money, it will surely involve time and again, it's a trade-off - will you risk not giving enough time to your education and not getting a professional qualification and instead, use this time to pursue your dream? Yes you can always go back to university at some point later on if it does not work for you, but what about the social pressures? How willing will your parents be for you to put your education aside for a few years and experiment? In our society and culture, you cannot do things at your own pace - you have to keep up with the world or will you be left behind.



Even if you are single and have just got a job, your main goal will be to maintain a balance between enjoying a good living standard and saving/investing for the future. Why? because you know that one day you'll have a family of your own which will depend on you. You cannot blow away your money right now because no one is depending on you, because you have to consider your financial status 10-15 years down the line.

People are not risk-averse because other people tell them that failing is bad; people are risk-averse because of the negative consequences of their risks not paying off. Different prospects have different risks, and the trade-off is not worth it for most people in the world which is why majority of us don't like to take risks and thus remain ignorant of our true potential.

I feel you are being too harsh on people who take the safe route (majority of us are like that) because when you look at the bigger picture, the guilt and regret of things not working out is greater than the potential feeling of accomplishment.

If its your parents' money, you won't risk wasting it;

if its your time, you won't risk wasting it over something that may not yield rewards in the future, which is why most of us end up taking the safe route of going to University to get a professional degree;

If it involves your own money, you still won't risk it because you have one eye on the future and will look to save, because you know you will have to sustain a family in the future;

If you have a wife and children, you will not take risks so that they don't have to face the consequences and they are your responsibility.

Most of the people don't take risks because of the aforementioned reasons and they fall in these categories. Simply knowing (after you have failed) that you are wiser for it or you were not good enough in the first place is not good enough for most of the people in the practical world, which is why they are fully justified in not taking risks, but on the other hand, those that do and succeed are the ones that are remembered and revered.

my bad if i came across as harsh on people who want to take the safe route, that was not my intention. i simply wanted to put across the case for taking a few risks when your young, its the best time to do it and just because you are doing what you believe in doesnt make you selfish.

yes i understand societal pressures, and i was very lucky in that firstly, my parents are very supportive, and secondly i grew up in a less intrusive social culture.

having said that i still am in disagreement with you over the perceived cost of failing, if you give something a hundred percent, and know that if you succeed you could make good money from it, your not wasting your parents money if they are supporting you. if my son or daughter had a passion for something and i had the money to support them, id do it, wouldnt you?

on a side note i lost a fair amount of my own money once when i was younger, taught me the value of money first hand, losing a meaningful amount of money when your young is one of the best things that can happen to you.
 
my bad if i came across as harsh on people who want to take the safe route, that was not my intention. i simply wanted to put across the case for taking a few risks when your young, its the best time to do it and just because you are doing what you believe in doesnt make you selfish.

yes i understand societal pressures, and i was very lucky in that firstly, my parents are very supportive, and secondly i grew up in a less intrusive social culture.

having said that i still am in disagreement with you over the perceived cost of failing, if you give something a hundred percent, and know that if you succeed you could make good money from it, your not wasting your parents money if they are supporting you. if my son or daughter had a passion for something and i had the money to support them, id do it, wouldnt you?

on a side note i lost a fair amount of my own money once when i was younger, taught me the value of money first hand, losing a meaningful amount of money when your young is one of the best things that can happen to you.

I'd also do it and it has a lot do with how you are brought up. If you are parents had their ideology than you'd instill the same values in your children, but most people are not like that. A risk-averse person will not encourage his children to take risks and play with their futures.

I agree with what you said regarding losing money at a young age. Whether it happens to you personally or someone around you, but if you do lose something early in your life (not necessarily money only), you do tend to appreciate it more, because otherwise you can get carried away.
 
Well on the flip side you can argue that if everyone is going to die and given that most of our life is spent working, then if you go for money and a job that does not give you any satisfaction at all, then you have basically lived a miserable life, with only a few moments of joy.

Probably i did not explain myself, what i meant was most of the people in corporate world do jobs that require no rocket science, off course people like some roles etc but there are very few jobs that will give you a satisfaction if you don't get paid well, especially if you do it for years together....then there is also social pressure, in your late 20 's you want to drive a flashy car if your batchemates are driving it, heck your own folks will love it if they see their child earning well, the world may not seem so great if your job pays less and parosi sharma ji ke bete ne Mercedes khared li ho......That's why i said money over job satisfaction...
 
Probably i did not explain myself, what i meant was most of the people in corporate world do jobs that require no rocket science, off course people like some roles etc but there are very few jobs that will give you a satisfaction if you don't get paid well, especially if you do it for years together....then there is also social pressure, in your late 20 's you want to drive a flashy car if your batchemates are driving it, heck your own folks will love it if they see their child earning well, the world may not seem so great if your job pays less and parosi sharma ji ke bete ne Mercedes khared li ho......That's why i said money over job satisfaction...

Not sure I agree with you

I'm In my late 20s
I drive a 1l litre aygo purely for its economy

But yes if all my mates drove mercs or Lexus I suppose it would influence me
 
Not sure I agree with you

I'm In my late 20s
I drive a 1l litre aygo purely for its economy

But yes if all my mates drove mercs or Lexus I suppose it would influence me

You are a chacha for us even if you are in 20's, when you are in 30's and 40's you might agree more with me....
 
Probably i did not explain myself, what i meant was most of the people in corporate world do jobs that require no rocket science, off course people like some roles etc but there are very few jobs that will give you a satisfaction if you don't get paid well, especially if you do it for years together....then there is also social pressure, in your late 20 's you want to drive a flashy car if your batchemates are driving it, heck your own folks will love it if they see their child earning well, the world may not seem so great if your job pays less and parosi sharma ji ke bete ne Mercedes khared li ho......That's why i said money over job satisfaction...

The social pressure exists. But people who succumb to it come across as very superficial. They will never be content whatever comes their way.
 
my bad if i came across as harsh on people who want to take the safe route, that was not my intention. i simply wanted to put across the case for taking a few risks when your young, its the best time to do it and just because you are doing what you believe in doesnt make you selfish.

Cost of failure is substantially low when you are young and trying out different avenues.
 
Talking about Pak, there is no concept of job satisfaction or work/life balance here.

Most graduates just aim to get ANY sort of job they can, which is understandable as the unemployment rate is too high. Most end up in private companies, which leech you for very very less comparatively with rest of the world.

For me, work/life balance and time for family/friends matters a lot. Some are in a very bad situation and need to provide for family immediately.
 
Cost of failure is substantially low when you are young and trying out different avenues.

Correct. But the number of risk takers is not high either, all go for the safe route.
 
I have learnt the hard way, an increment of Rs 20,000-30,000 a month of $10,000-15,000 is not worth it if it is accompanied by 10 times more stress where you can't even sleep properly at night and are worried every single minute about keeping your job.

There is nothing worse than being humiliated, be-littled by your boss, supervisor every 30 minutes during the day for not being good enough.
 
fun to read through an old topic like this.

on most things in life my opinions change over time, so im quite surprised i still agree with everything i wrote more than three years ago.

more power to all my young bruddas!!
 
I don’t need satisfaction from my job. There are other things in life for that. Work to me is all about collecting a paycheck.

My work pays well and has allowed me to create a side income where hopefully I will be able to retire in my early 50s and travel the world.
 
Life is strange. When I read this thread first in 2015, I was all pumped up for job satisfaction. But 3 years later, its about bagging more in bank even when marriage or own family is not on radar.
 
Struck gold in terms of salary last year and splurged on travel abroad for myself and my family, but now living under the fear if I lose this job and get a regular indian job, won't be able to have the same lifestyle.

Money came as my servant, now it has become my master.
 
I have found that I am in one of two cases.

1. Better paid, with job fulfilment, but stressed and lacking in time for other things.

2. Less well paid, lacking job fulfilment, but without stress, with time for other things such as playing in bands and amateur theatre.

Generally I feel happier in the second case. Don’t live to work, work to live.
 
I don’t post much but feel compelled to on this (great forum and discussion by the way).

I have found three things that have had the biggest impact on me - family, stress and renumeration.

In my early 20’s, with no commitments, i was 100% career - life, and even health be damned - i had vary superficial needs and for me, in the naivety of youth, believed that would give me the satisfaction i wanted. To an extent it did - my first house was great, my first performance car. And then it quickly became hollow and what became apparent was the cost this stressful way of living and its toll on me.

It got to the point where i had enough - i needed to completely break from corporate life as i had long forgotten who i was, and so took a 2 year life break to reconnect with me and what i really wanted.

When I returned, with as new set of priorities, i still wanted the drive of a high performing career but with a key change - a level of stress that would never enter that kind of impact on me and what matters most.

Now, i am fortunate enough to be at the top of my profession and in a position where i could comfortabley leave work in my late 30’s and never want for anything/compromise my lifestyle and provide for my young family.

In my case, the key to unlocking that career aspiration was not so much about title or even role, but keeping one eye on the key factor that had such an impact on me - stress - and in doing that achieve everything i wanted and then some.
 
Changed my priorities now. (3 years since I posted in this thread.)

Bizarrely I now have more commitments? And yet money matters less to me? (When in reality it could be argued that money is today more important than ever.)

Job satisfaction all the way.

My wife and I both have modest jobs, salaries both above the national average, and therefore a rather comfortable household financially on the whole.

We could both easily earn more and be looking for our next promotion, thinking about extra pension schemes, property investment, early retirement etc - but we are not interested. The motivation is only there to raise a family; not at all to reach super-senior level in our respective fields of work.

We have some growing savings, quite a few stocks and shares, but aside from that, we just spend our money, relax a lot, and enjoy our time.

We are happy with the daily routine at the moment and have no desire to change it.
 
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If I needed job satisfaction, I wouldn't be in IT. I work in IT only for money. The only thing matters to me is the respect and recognition of hard work. If that is there in the organisation, I will be happy to shed some in terms of salary.
 
If I needed job satisfaction, I wouldn't be in IT. I work in IT only for money. The only thing matters to me is the respect and recognition of hard work. If that is there in the organisation, I will be happy to shed some in terms of salary.

Do you get it in your current organization?
 
Prestige and Job satisfaction all the way. I come from a place where a DSP in police is given far more izzat than someone earning bucketload of money working for MNCs and I intend to follow that path.
 
There is only one thing in the world and that is Money.

Rest is all the crap we make to satisfy ourselves that money is not everything, simply because we dont have it.
 
Changed my priorities now. (3 years since I posted in this thread.)

Bizarrely I now have more commitments? And yet money matters less to me? (When in reality it could be argued that money is today more important than ever.)

Job satisfaction all the way.

My wife and I both have modest jobs, salaries both above the national average, and therefore a rather comfortable household financially on the whole.

We could both easily earn more and be looking for our next promotion, thinking about extra pension schemes, property investment, early retirement etc - but we are not interested. The motivation is only there to raise a family; not at all to reach super-senior level in our respective fields of work.

We have some growing savings, quite a few stocks and shares, but aside from that, we just spend our money, relax a lot, and enjoy our time.

We are happy with the daily routine at the moment and have no desire to change it.

I used to think money to about two years ago. The happiest moment for me was when the paycheck landed.

I eventually quit my job because working shifts with no holidays, even for high pay is ridiculous, and am now pursuing my Master's in Italy while working as an RA (So net income). I'm technically earning more than I did back in Pakistan (Not that it matters, expenses are much more).... but besides that, the satisfaction of doing this, even though it's only been two weeks is just astounding. I had my first weekend off in two years........

Like literally, I was in tears. I wasted two years with no Eid off, no weekends off. Sure, I earned a lot by Pakistani standards for a graduate Engineer, but not seeing your family on holidays despite being in the same city and country, I missed so many opportunities. Then the job itself was stressful, with one mistake potentially being fatal to 3-4 people

No amount of money was worth the stress I was putting myself under for no reason.
 
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I used to think money to about two years ago. The happiest moment for me was when the paycheck landed.

I eventually quit my job because working shifts with no holidays, even for high pay is ridiculous, and am now pursuing my Master's in Italy while working as an RA (So net income). I'm technically earning more than I did back in Pakistan (Not that it matters, expenses are much more).... but besides that, the satisfaction of doing this, even though it's only been two weeks is just astounding. I had my first weekend off in two years........

Like literally, I was in tears. I wasted two years with no Eid off, no weekends off. Sure, I earned a lot by Pakistani standards for a graduate Engineer, but not seeing your family on holidays despite being in the same city and country, I missed so many opportunities. Then the job itself was stressful, with one mistake potentially being fatal to 3-4 people

No amount of money was worth the stress I was putting myself under for no reason.

Which means they werent paying you enough for the stress you felt.

If they paid you enough to buy a house in an extra 2 years time you would have chose to continue.
 
Which means they werent paying you enough for the stress you felt.

If they paid you enough to buy a house in an extra 2 years time you would have chose to continue.

Maybe, but I can honestly say I wouldn't be as happy as I am now. There was too much responsibility on me too soon because I was good at my job. I was getting paid more in the second year than the other 3 who joined with me (20% of annual pay bonus+ Pay rise for the review), but was it worth it for me? No, and even if it was 200% the money, I don't think I'd be happier.

I can see now why not many people last 5 years in the job, despite it being better paid than most jobs (And with a good sliding scale with experience). Hell, I don't think there was one person who stuck around after getting married.
 
There is only one thing in the world and that is Money.

Rest is all the crap we make to satisfy ourselves that money is not everything, simply because we dont have it.

That is too big a generalization. Money is the most important thing when you are struggling to meet your basic needs. Once you are earning enough to fulfill most of your needs you reach a point of diminishing returns. Other factors like job satisfaction and free time then outweigh monetary incentives.
 
Job satisfaction (with perfect work-life balance) over money any day. Although, I slogged my a@# of during the initial few years of my career.
 
That is too big a generalization. Money is the most important thing when you are struggling to meet your basic needs. Once you are earning enough to fulfill most of your needs you reach a point of diminishing returns. Other factors like job satisfaction and free time then outweigh monetary incentives.

All the people saying they want peace of mind would instantly take a job that makes them a millionaire even if that job is for 4 to 5 years.

The problem is people assume getting paid 15000 dollars to 20000 dollars a month is not worth the headache.

Yes its not.

But make it 150,000 dollars a month and suddenly the headache is worth it.
 
All the people saying they want peace of mind would instantly take a job that makes them a millionaire even if that job is for 4 to 5 years.

The problem is people assume getting paid 15000 dollars to 20000 dollars a month is not worth the headache.

Yes its not.

But make it 150,000 dollars a month and suddenly the headache is worth it.

There will always be a cost benefit aspect to any major decision in life but that doesn't mean that a high enough financial incentive would always be sufficient to make you do something you don't like. There are people who quit high paying jobs to spend more time with their families or expats who move back to their home countries despite lower pay because other factors are more important for them. Most people working in academia even in top universities dont earn as much as they would in corporate jobs. These are super smart people with ivy league degrees but prefer to work in an academic environment because they want the creative freedom to do their own research. Then there are people who pursue careers in arts or literature that in developing countries like Pakistan offer very little financial benefit.

I am just saying the assumption that a big enough financial incentive will always work is too simplistic to apply to every situation.
 
Do you get it in your current organization?

Yes I did and I am very happy with the same. I worked for an Indian organisation in the past who did not respect it's employers. I stayed with them only because of my requirement at that time but not one day went past without me thinking I should quit. I don't have that feeling anymore here. Even though IT is not my passion, I work hard and I get appreciated, which is what I need as an employee.
 
Ive changed jobs twice in the last few years because I didnt want to get too comfortable and stop progressing financially.

Money isnt everything but I'll continue to chase it to the point where the chase begins to impact my family & spiritual life.
 
Job Satisfaction.

Financial Success is the result of Non-Financial Success
 
Job satisfaction all the way. It is important to enjoy your job when you go in. As long as the salary meets your needs all should be good and well. Chasing money at the expense of job satisfaction will never be successful.
 
As Denzel Washington said, “You don’t see a U-Haul behind a Hearse. You can’t take your belongings with you. The Egyptians tried it and all they got was robbed”.

My father has worked harder than anyone I know of.

40+ years, 12-16 hours a day, seven days a week, no days off.

However, it’s taken a toll on his health and when he is home, it’s hard for him to do anything but sleep and eat. (The two things he does between waking up and work).
 
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