Chalo let's look at this again...
Wrong bro.
This pitch did not have considerable turn.
And tailor made pitch means pitches designed to suit a bowler perfectly. Like a green track or rank turner.
This wasn't even a normal turner let alone a tailor made pitch.
So that's factual wrong mate.
You have twisted my statement big time and misunderstood it.
Just because a bowler does not bowl magically DOES NOT mean he is below his usual standards. No bowler is at his magical best all time.
I said Ashwin was motoring along fine just like he has been doing recently. If there was more turn, he would have destroyed England.
Anyone can have an off day but the timing of Root's failure is surprising too.
Has been batting like dream but couldn't perform in 4 innings in Bangladesh (rank turners). The equivalent would be Ashwin failing in WI.
Then again, got 124 on a Rajkot flat track....got 53 in first innings here (scored against pacers, streaky against Jaddu) where he was out almost 4 times before actually getting out. Second innings, should have been out on 9. Was out on 22 odd finally.
We can play this game all day long bro.
When Mohali test comes and England wins the toss, expect Root to get a 100 and then when pitches turn, the same "timing" can come into play.
You said this and I quote
"He probably will get better in the remaining 3 Tests because India knows that they aren't good enough to take 20 wickets on Rajkot type pitches."
What does this mean?
India knows its not good enough to take 20 wickets in Rajkot? As if this is a normal or regular track and India knows it can't take wickets on this track so the tracks will get better.
The topic of not being good enough to take 20 wickets on an OUTLIER track shouldn't even arise.
Every team in the world will have matches where it cannot take 20 wickets some tracks. Was Aus good enough to take 20 Indian wickets on 2 of its track? That means nothing.
If I say "Anderson will probably get better in the 2014 series because England knows it cannot take 20 wickets in Trent Bridge track", then what would people assume?
You have used the word "expose" for Ashwin like so many times when the same issues for Root.....I haven't heard a word.
You can call it as you feel. I don't mind you calling ash exposed on that pitch. He really was. I don't even mind you giving excuses for Root. That's your call.
But I will mention about your double standards in this case.
You can choose to accept my view or not. That's your call. But what's there is what's there.
Not being rude. Just being honest.
The difference is that you have mention India (and Ashwin) getting exposed or struggling in the Rajkot track atleast 3-5 times in the last few days (bringing it in many arguments) while you DEFENDED Anderson and co for their failures....not in zone...not in flow...etc.
Root flopped in Bangladesh for 2 tests in Bangladesh and neither you or I bring it up. Ashwin flopped in 1 test and that gets brought up so many times.
You never mentioned Root was exposed even once but for Ash, its been mentioned (in other thread) several times even though failure of Root was for more innings.
Please note, I am not defending Ashwin. He deserves to be criticized for his screw ups. But talking about the particular point here.
Same failure.
2 different reactions.
And you know what I am talking about bro.
Of course,
Root got a flat track (equivalent of a rank turner for Ashwin).
If it was a rank turner in Rajkot and this exact track in Vizag, the situation would look way different.
On a semi decent pitch where playing spin was EASY, Root was nowhere good. Sure he can improve but as of now, saying Root has done better than Ashwin in a general sense is like saying Ashwin has better average that Yasir Shah in Asia (without taking into account the conditions where they play the home games).
Context matters.
Barring an odd post, no one said its importance is crucial.
If you notice, there is hardly any activity in this thread. Even when Ash got owned...even when Root got owned.
If there was a PP poll about what you would have said had this been a Younis vs Anderson thread would see 100-0 in favour of one view.
You sure as hell wouldn't have made this point:
What Younis did is what Root is doing. OK Root hasn't gone missing in the first few matches but talking in general. Scoring in the easier pitches while looking out of sorts in even slightly tougher conditions.
Root has time to rectify it but I am talking about what's happened
as of now.
I never accused you of saying you give 1v1 battles as supreme.
I said when it comes to certain players, you wouldn't downplay the whole thing. Younis vs Anderson topics weren't part of a main thread but they were discussed in several threads and you have made your views clear about them.
Your opinion on Ashwin doesn't make me happy or disappoint me. You are entitled to it.
You can choose not to ignore Ashwin's failure but when you ignore Root's failure and harp on Ashwin, that's clear bias (not against Ashwin but for Root).
A poster of your stature should know better. I know you can say you don't give a damn what I think (which is fair) but facts are facts.
But you are prepared to pass off Root's lullooing in Bangladesh as "it happens".
You may now say you don't think like that your actions speak otherwise mate. When you harp on 1 players failure and not focus on others' failure when he has had WAY MORE screw ups, it makes things clear.
Again incorrect.
Your post may be technically right but contextually its way far from the truth.
Ashwin bowled in only 2 innings in England.
Old Trafford - 14 overs. 28 runs. 0 wickets. India innings defeated. Pacers took English wickets.
Oval - 25 odd overs. 72 runs. 3 wickets. India innings defeated. He bowled with a sub par total and still did reasonably well. Never even got to bowl in 2nd innings in Oval.
Did he have much impact? No.
But is it right to use it when he didn't even get a chance? Absolutely not.
I think you have been misled by the hype about Ashwin's failure in England. He never failed. He just didn't get a chance and whatever chance he got, he did sufficiently well.
Again context is important which you seem to ignore here.
Root played 1 test in India. It was Nagpur patta in 2012. He scored a brilliant 70 odd taking England out of trouble. So yes, it was a good knock. But no, it was not a knock he played in a proper spin track like KP and Cook did. Now in Rajkot, another flat track. 124. When conditions got tougher, he went missing.
Yes, that's NOT his fault. I don't accuse Root of being a lulloo.
But your portrayal about Root being good in India while Ashwin being bad in England is 100% factually wrong bereft of any meaningful context.
Do you see what's ACTUALLY going on?
Cos no one thought we would give such easy pitches to England.
ABD, Amla, Williamson ALL would have piled on runs here. Atleast in Rajkot.
Again, not demeaning Root's achievements in India but keeping things in perspective.
I know you like both Ashwin and Root.
But you like Root more (which is fair enough). But I would expect you to not use that to make such unfair arguments against Ashwin while not focusing on Root's issue.
As I mentioned in the other thread:
Batsman and pacers are DIFFERENT from spinners. A batsman can always get those easy tracks to pile on tracks in any pitch. The quality and level of his game is dependent on how he does when its hard.
Spinners are mostly support roles in most pitches. In some pitches, they come to life.
That's why we have a dozen ATG batsmen and just 2 ATG spinners.
In reality, GOAT level of batsmen (SRT, Lara, Sobers) is like ATG level of spinners (Warne, Murali). There are many great spinners like Underwood, Bedi, Lance Gibbs, Swann, Kumble who don't get the ATG tag but are a notch below Warne and Murali.
Different yardsticks really.
But anyways, that's deviating from the topic.
Yasir is an excellent bowler just like Ashwin. Many rate Yasir to be better. You rate Ash more. That's your call and fair enough. Just cos you rate Ash more doesn't mean your comments on Ash vs Root issues make it right.
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Closing thoughts:
1. Root may very well do well from now on. Or he may flop. Don't know. But my points are based on what happened till now.
2. You can yourself see how you have reacted for the same situation for 2 different players. I wouldn't even have got into this debate until you mentioned about Rajkot again (for the umpteenth time) and implied stuff which is easy to see.
That is why I was disappointed with your post.
Read my reply closely to see how many things you took out of context reg this debate. If you still can't see that, then its ok. You write your reply and I will give a point by point explanation again.
