Jos Buttler has "gone ahead" of MS Dhoni, believes Michael Vaughan

[Abdullah719]

Jos Buttler has been hitting bowlers out of the park in the ongoing 5-ODI series between England and Australia. He struck a belligerent 100* from 83 balls to hand England a 3-0 series win down under. Former England captain, Michael Vaughan has complimented Buttler following the latter’s slowest ODI hundred at Sydney.

Speaking to BT Sports, Vaughan said: “Buttler’s done this before for England. I remember in Dubai against Pakistan he just exploded from 50 to 100.He just got the gift, hasn’t he. I don’t there’s a better middle order batsman in world white-ball cricket.”

He further went on to say that Buttler is better than Indian wicket-keeper MS Dhoni. He said: “The Indians will go nuts because they’ll say ‘there’s MS Dhoni’. Well, I think Buttler’s just gone ahead of MS Dhoni because of his approach and because of the power he brings.”

Buttler has, so far, played 102 ODIs for England, and has amassed 2,651 runs at 38.42 with an impressive average of 117.87. Dhoni, on the other hand has represented India in 312 ODIs, accumulated 9,898 runs at 51.55 with a strike-rate of 88.46.

http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...d-of-ms-dhoni-believes-michael-vaughan-679811

 

[Aman]

As in now or overall?

Now it's easy to be ahead of Dhoni, but overall he'll never come close.

 

[Madplayer]

Michael vaughn needs to get his act together. Been spouting a lot of rubbish of late. Its not even a comparison so far. Butler has a long long way to go.

 

[Aman]

Michael vaughn needs to get his act together. Been spouting a lot of rubbish of late. Its not even a comparison so far. Butler has a long long way to go.

Buttler will never come close. Dhoni is one of GOAT players and probably the best finisher ever.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Anything that Vaughan says should not be taken seriously. The guy is amongst English Cricket's most nefarious players and makes absurd claims sometimes. He's not any better than the Sikander Bakht's and the MoYo's of pakistan when it comes to critical analysis. Buttler is definitely amongst the best hitters in white ball cricket but calling him the best middle-order batsman in white ball cricket is premature. To earn that title he needs to perform in ICC tournaments which he hopefully does in the upcoming world cup.

Dhoni is clearly on the decline now since he is in the twilight stage of his career but if we compare Dhoni at his prime during the 2011 world cup with buttler then it would be much more interesting.

 

[Slog]

As in now or overall?

Now it's easy to be ahead of Dhoni, but overall he'll never come close.

I was watching it and he clearly meant now.

And its not even a debate that he actually has

 

[Madplayer]

Buttler will never come close. Dhoni is one of GOAT players and probably the best finisher ever.

Why not?
As a WK batsman , he surely can. Just needs to keep scoring and needs to perform in pressure games consistently especially in a world tournament. Wont be easy though.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

He will surpass Dhoni as a batsman. Hasn't yet though. (Obviously he is miles ahead when it comes to current form of the two players)

 

[Snatch]

Buttler has a long long way to go, but he does look even more talented than Dhoni did, but who knows what will happen in the next decade or so.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Why not?
As a WK batsman , he surely can. Just needs to keep scoring and needs to perform in pressure games consistently especially in a world tournament. Wont be easy though.

There lies the problem with most English players. A bit of pressure and they will choke which is why [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] is right when he said “he will never come close” . Dhoni as we know was not only best finisher the game has ever seen but also one of the best player to perform under pressure.

 

[King Kong]

Buttler has more potential, more strokes, can score against quality pace attacks which Dhoni can't even dream of. And what's more, he has already scored a hundred outside home; Dhoni hasn't done that in his more than a decade of career. Dhoni's strategy, especially while chasing, has cost India many games. At least Buttler won't lose games for his side, that's for sure.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Forget Dhoni, let him surpass Sangakkara first, or even Gilchrist.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He may be better than a 36yr old Dhoni.But overall there is no comparision.Dhoni is a GOAT Odi batsman even without being a wkt keeper.

 

[King Kong]

Dhoni is overrated. It was Yuvraj and Raina in the past, and Kohli now who have made him a "finisher". Without these guys, he is not much better than even Misbah, Mathews.

 

[Smbhayi]

Why not?
As a WK batsman , he surely can. Just needs to keep scoring and needs to perform in pressure games consistently especially in a world tournament. Wont be easy though.

as a WK Bat he won't. he won't be good as MSD in WK Dept.

 

[Smbhayi]

Dhoni is overrated. It was Yuvraj and Raina in the past, and Kohli now who have made him a "finisher". Without these guys, he is not much better than even Misbah, Mathews.

coz he's allowed them. India lacks finisher and that's why he chose that position. otherwise he has a successful run at top.

 

[introvert]

Buttler is more talented and versetile batsman compared to dhoni.like dhoni he should be limited overs captain for England after Morgan's departure.
He should learn to remain notout to improve his average like dhoni,clusener etc.

 

[Aman]

Buttler has more potential, more strokes, can score against quality pace attacks which Dhoni can't even dream of. And what's more, he has already scored a hundred outside home; Dhoni hasn't done that in his more than a decade of career. Dhoni's strategy, especially while chasing, has cost India many games. At least Buttler won't lose games for his side, that's for sure.

You've got to be so bitter to argue for Buttler against Dhoni.

If we looked at strokes and playing against quality bowlers, AB would be one of the GOATs. But he's not, it's Viv, Sachin, Dhoni and Kohli.

 

[Aman]

Buttler is more talented and versetile batsman compared to dhoni.like dhoni he should be limited overs captain for England after Morgan's departure.
He should learn to remain notout to improve his average like dhoni,clusener etc.

Dhoni won his country a WC and has won countless games for them.

 

[introvert]

Dhoni won his country a WC and has won countless games for them.

Why judge buttler's talent based on Vaughan silly comment. In my opinion after abd buttler is the player who has that hybrid power,timing,placement combo.

 

[King Kong]

You've got to be so bitter to argue for Buttler against Dhoni.

If we looked at strokes and playing against quality bowlers, AB would be one of the GOATs. But he's not, it's Viv, Sachin, Dhoni and Kohli.

No, you haven't watched much of Dhoni. Lol at having at Dhoni out there. He is a monster against the likes of Perera and co. Was never comfortable hitting express bowlers even in his prime barring a match of two. The likes of Buttler, ABD, Russel are trillion miles ahead of him.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Why judge buttler's talent based on Vaughan silly comment. In my opinion after abd buttler is the player who has that hybrid power,timing,placement combo.

Agreed. Dhoni fans can get super emotional sometimes. No denying that Dhoni was a class act but writing off Buttler's sheer talent is a mistake.

 

[King Kong]

coz he's allowed them. India lacks finisher and that's why he chose that position. otherwise he has a successful run at top.

He would have been as good as Kohli if he played at the top. I agree with that. But he wasn't a 'great' finisher nor was a great hitter against fast bowlers. His strategy has made India really fight hard to win from easy positions and in the process, lost a quite a few games too.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Dhoni is the best wk batsman ever in odis. Even gilchrist and sanga aren't close. Butler lololol.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

He would have been as good as Kohli if he played at the top. I agree with that. But he wasn't a 'great' finisher nor was a great hitter against fast bowlers. His strategy has made India really fight hard to win from easy positions and in the process, lost a quite a few games too.

Wrong. He was really good against fast bowling. He holds the record of max sixes by
An indian in odis. STR RATE IS 90 WHICH IS REALLY GOOD.

 

[Hasan123]

Will be very difficult for Buttler to surpass Dhoni.

 

[DHONI_FAN]

Lol.. There is no comparison at all. Dhoni is miles ahead of Butler even at this stage of his career

 

[UN talkz]

Lol
Does he even know what he is saying...
Buttler first needs to surpass Kamran Akmal
Lol cant believe someone can make such a terrible comment.

 

[introvert]

Ms dhoni till 86 played innings 2838 runs at 43.66 average at 94.73 sr
3 100s 17 50s
Buttler till 86 played innings 2651 runs at 38.42 average at 117 sr
5 100s 14 50s.

Dhoni little more consistent
buttler more devasting.

 

[Anik Sharma]

It's a compliment for MS Dhoni

 

[Protea Fan]

Overall dhoni has a better career that everyone knows

But Buttler the batsman is more complete than dhoni,even against peak dhoni its easy to bowl if the bowler got some quality.His routine style is stick on the crease for a while and start slogging in the final overs and always need support of other players to win matches

Meanwhile buttler is an insane talent and a complete devastator due to his natural ability to run over any bowlers.Yesterdays inngs was a perfect example for that he just murdered bowlers of starc and cummins league with ease and took the 270 odd total to 300.....He is one of the underachiever the game has ever seen though

 

[Ab Fan]

As a cricketer ,Dhoni is one of the greatest arguably India's best.

As a wkt-keeper batsmen, I still consider him as the greatest.

As a batsmen only, he is among top 6-7 greatest of all-time.

 

[Nitya85]

Dhoni is overrated. It was Yuvraj and Raina in the past, and Kohli now who have made him a "finisher". Without these guys, he is not much better than even Misbah, Mathews.

Haha ths guy nothing but a troller
Dhoni is overrated I mean R u Real ?
Dhoni have single handedly finishes many matches for India..And he is undoubtedly greatest finisher ever in ODI

Dhoni is Overrated...Come on...

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

MSD the ODI player is better than whole bunch of English wicket keepers since the invention of ODIs.

He is mediocre at best in tests tho.

This statement reminded me of 'Ahmed Shehzad is more talented than SRT'

 

[BunnyRabbit]

It's only since 2015 that Dhoni's started to struggle and been losing his touch eversince. Apart from that, if you look to Dhoni's performances from 2005-2013 he was an absolute beast with no match in finishing games off.

 

[Robert]

Such comparisons are premature.

But this Buttler fellow is something special. Of his five ODI tons to date, the one against Australia was the slowest at 83 balls. I have never seen an England player hit it like that - not Botham, not Flintoff, not KP.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is gifted, talented, exciting, orthodox and has wide range of shots.

In short, he is admirable. It is these kinds of player that have changed my taste away from classical batsmen to these kind of cricketers because of their unique ability.

 

[shah_1]

For last 3 years Buttler is avearging 45 with a STRIKE RATE OF 118.

He is the most destructive no 6 I have seen recently, he is clearly no 1 right now but still a lot more needs to be done to reach level of Dhoni overall career.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Agreed. Dhoni fans can get super emotional sometimes. No denying that Dhoni was a class act but writing off Buttler's sheer talent is a mistake.

Lets judge Buttler's talent when he avgs 45 in ODIs with 5-6k runs to Dhoni's avg of 51 with close to 10k runs.

Its usual on PP to highly rate a newcomer and hype him if he is being compared to a Indian great.

 

[cricketjoshila]

For last 3 years Buttler is avearging 45 with a STRIKE RATE OF 118.

He is the most destructive no 6 I have seen recently, he is clearly no 1 right now but still a lot more needs to be done to reach level of Dhoni overall career.

Dhoni's entire career he has avgd 50 plus with SR close to 90.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Dhoni is overrated. It was Yuvraj and Raina in the past, and Kohli now who have made him a "finisher". Without these guys, he is not much better than even Misbah, Mathews.

In ODIs Dhoni wipes the floor with Misbah and Matthews in each hand.

 

[jaf348]

Dhoni is captain cool and won his country a WC.

Buttler meanwhile bottled it against Bangladesh in the 2015 WC that sent England crashing out in the group stages.

 

[jaf348]

As far as ODI wicket keeper batsmen will go, I'd take de Kock over Buttler.

 

[shah_1]

Dhoni's entire career he has avgd 50 plus with SR close to 90.

Did I deny?

Buttler is only 27, many years left to do well.

His SR is the most impressive part.

 

[HitWicket]

Lol
Does he even know what he is saying...
Buttler first needs to surpass Kamran Akmal
Lol cant believe someone can make such a terrible comment.

Yours complaining about people making terrible comments whilst saying if there was an ODI tomorrow you'd pick Kamran Akmal over Buttler? Wow.

 

[UN talkz]

Yours complaining about people making terrible comments whilst saying if there was an ODI tomorrow you'd pick Kamran Akmal over Buttler? Wow.

What
Where in my entire post have i said i wud pick Kamran over Buttler... you are interpreting it the way it suits you....
Kamran also played some blinder of innings during his early days... and when u look at Dhoni and Kamran, it is like sky and earth...
Buttler failed in CT and has a long long way to go to be remembered in the same breath as Dhoni

 

[GrandMaster]

Current
Butler > Dhoni in batting
Dhoni > Butler in wicket keeping

Overall
Dhoni >>>in batting
Dhoni >>>>> Butler in wicket keeping

 

[HitWicket]

What
Where in my entire post have i said i wud pick Kamran over Buttler... you are interpreting it the way it suits you....
Kamran also played some blinder of innings during his early days... and when u look at Dhoni and Kamran, it is like sky and earth...
Buttler failed in CT and has a long long way to go to be remembered in the same breath as Dhoni

Vaughan is referring to Buttler as being ahead of Dhoni right now which you strongly criticsed him for. The fact Vaughan is talking about right now and not in terms of career peaks would make me assume that is also what you're referring to?

 

[Syed1]

Every English player is always ATG.

 

[introvert]

What
Where in my entire post have i said i wud pick Kamran over Buttler... you are interpreting it the way it suits you....
Kamran also played some blinder of innings during his early days... and when u look at Dhoni and Kamran, it is like sky and earth...
Buttler failed in CT and has a long long way to go to be remembered in the same breath as Dhoni

ridiculous logics Dhoni also failed in champions trophy.
Buttler is most lethal lower order batsman currently and nobody can deny it.

 

[barah_admi]

I think Vaughan was referring to now, and I certainly agree. Buttler is certainly better as of now. Historically no.


In terms of ferocious striking he hits the ball harder than almost anyone I've ever seen.

 

[Ab Fan]

As a pure batsmen, MSD does get overrated a bit at times.

We have to understand that winning is not a function of individual but teams. An ICC tournament is won by a team's combined effort led by an inspiring and tactically genius captain.

However, when we consider MS Dhoni the batsmen, he has too many holes to be regarded as top3 odi batsmen of all time.

Barring the WC 2011 final inning vs SL, he doesn't have a single quality inning which has made a difference to the team and this is across the period of playing 3-4 CT and 3 WC. He has failed in every series with the bat bar that one inning.

Moreover, his record in Aus, SA and Eng ( three top pace bowling attacks) is pretty mediocre and although he has done well vs NZ but he never got to face a bowler like Boult in NZ.

Clearly, he is not at any level similar to AB de Villiers and Virat Kohli as a pure batsmen. As a cricketer, however, he is ahead of both. He is a smart keeper and arguably one of the superb leaders game has seen in LOIs.

However, we cant really compare him to a cricketer like Jos Butler who is so young and has a long way to go.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Currently Buttler is the better wicketkeeper/batsman.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

What a compliment to dhoni..... butler just got past 36 year old dhoni!

 

[Robert]

Dhoni's entire career he has avgd 50 plus with SR close to 90.

To be fair, that average is inflated by being not out more than one innings in five.

He also has a much reduced average in SA and England where the ball moves about (though averaging a whopping 90 in NZ).

 

[Princejain191]

To be fair, that average is inflated by being not out more than one innings in five.

He also has a much reduced average in SA and England where the ball moves about (though averaging a whopping 90 in NZ).

LOL at "England where the ball moves about". Nope, not in ODIs. As flat as it gets.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Jos Buttler could become a great ODI player but Dhoni is an all time GOAT player in ODI. Jos will need play extremely well if he wants to be on the same level as Dhoni.

 

[James]

Don’t get me wrong, Buttler is a gun player and I love having him in the team - but Vaughan talks hyperbolic balderdash all the time. Dhoni is a legend and one of the greatest ODI batsmen of all time in my view.

 

[Jabo]

Vaughan is a huge troll.

so i'm not surprised he'd come out with something silly like this

 

[barah_admi]

Lots of butt hurt here. Fact is, Buttler is better batsman and possibly keeper currently in ODIs. If you read into what Vaughan is saying, he seems to be talking about cricket as of now, not historically. Relax.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Intrigued what you all think...You are allowed 1 of these 2 now in your team... Who you going for on present form !??</p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/955368502839398402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22 January 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Lefthanded]

The Great British Ambitious Spirit!

'An England player has finally gone ahead of an all-time great in his twilight years.'

Oh Michael, fly not so near the sun lest thy waxy wings should melt.

 

[Buffet]

Currently ? Then for sure.

 

[giri26]

To be frank all these sort of comparison hyperbole's are funny to see. When you have a legend who has scored so many runs at an impressive average, you cannot say that someone surpassed him by the evidence of one innings. Vaughn just probably wants to irritate the Indian fans to get lots of responses and clicks on his twitter account.

 

[pillionrider]

The Great British Ambitious Spirit!

'An England player has finally gone ahead of an all-time great in his twilight years.'

Oh Michael, fly not so near the sun lest thy waxy wings should melt.

Hilarious and brilliant

 

[shane]

It was horrible listening to Vaughan's commentary during the Ashes. Mostly it was because he is so boring, but also because of ridiculous comments like this one. I mean, everyone loves trolling Indians but at least pick a more realistic target. Dhoni is one of the best players to have played the game.

 

[pillionrider]

It was horrible listening to Vaughan's commentary during the Ashes. Mostly it was because he is so boring, but also because of ridiculous comments like this one. I mean, everyone loves trolling Indians but at least pick a more realistic target. Dhoni is one of the best players to have played the game.

TBF he has clarified through his tweet (posted above) that it's about the present. No doubt there. Buttler is one of the most exciting talents to watch. Have been a huge fan of his since their T20 tournament in 2010 I think where he smashed the bowling around in the semi finals.

It's a pity though that Buttler is English

 

[Robert]

LOL at "England where the ball moves about". Nope, not in ODIs. As flat as it gets.

There is still movement through the air. What’s your point?

 

[Protea Fan]

As a pure batsmen, MSD does get overrated a bit at times.

We have to understand that winning is not a function of individual but teams. An ICC tournament is won by a team's combined effort led by an inspiring and tactically genius captain.

However, when we consider MS Dhoni the batsmen, he has too many holes to be regarded as top3 odi batsmen of all time.

Barring the WC 2011 final inning vs SL, he doesn't have a single quality inning which has made a difference to the team and this is across the period of playing 3-4 CT and 3 WC. He has failed in every series with the bat bar that one inning.

Moreover, his record in Aus, SA and Eng ( three top pace bowling attacks) is pretty mediocre and although he has done well vs NZ but he never got to face a bowler like Boult in NZ.

Clearly, he is not at any level similar to AB de Villiers and Virat Kohli as a pure batsmen. As a cricketer, however, he is ahead of both. He is a smart keeper and arguably one of the superb leaders game has seen in LOIs.

However, we cant really compare him to a cricketer like Jos Butler who is so young and has a long way to go.

If its about pure batsmanship dhoni is nowhere near Sachin,viv,AB or kohli people who live in delusion would think other way.He has had an ecstatic status to back up his stature but that won't say the whole story

But i agree as a player any team would love such a player due to his multiple job handling capability

 

[Princejain191]

There is still movement through the air. What’s your point?

My point is that there is not. There is as much conventional swing in England, in ODIs, as there is in most countries. And hardly any grass means there is not much seam movement. Also given that the pitches are neither as slow as subcontinent pitches, the middle overs are good for batting too. That low average of Dhoni in England is not down to swing.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If its about pure batsmanship dhoni is nowhere near Sachin,viv,AB or kohli people who live in delusion would think other way.He has had an ecstatic status to back up his stature but that won't say the whole story

But i agree as a player any team would love such a player due to his multiple job handling capability

He is the greatest finisher ever, his job is different from kohli, abd, sachin etc and he has excelled at it.
He is the best wk bat the ever in odis. So he is an atg just like the others.

 

[UN talkz]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Intrigued what you all think...You are allowed 1 of these 2 now in your team... Who you going for on present form !??</p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/955368502839398402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22 January 2018</a></blockquote>
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Lol what a phaintey

 

[srh]

Butler is more talented than Dhoni. Totally agree.

 

[Lefthanded]

Hilarious and brilliant

Appreciate it.

 

[Gubol123]

Butler has a long way to go in matching Dhoni's batsmanship. as a batsman Dhoni excelled in difficult situations which Butler will have to match in future. Currently Butler is a much better batsman than Dhoni, which is obvious. But people tend to forget Dhoni, the wicket keeper. He is easily the best wicket keeper in the world right now. He has insane reflexes and i doubt if anyone can match his stumpings. So even now if we add Dhoni's wicket keeping into mix he will edge out the best all rounders in the game. At his peak he brought the same wicket keeping skills + excellent batsmanship + captaincy + insane ability to control the game under pressure cooker situations. we are seeing how Kholi and sarfarz are wilting under pressure. Dhoni did all that for a decade both in internationals and IPL. That combination is unlikely to be ever surpassed.

 

[ayemgilani86]

Jos Buttler has been hitting bowlers out of the park in the ongoing 5-ODI series between England and Australia. He struck a belligerent 100* from 83 balls to hand England a 3-0 series win down under. Former England captain, Michael Vaughan has complimented Buttler following the latter’s slowest ODI hundred at Sydney.

Speaking to BT Sports, Vaughan said: “Buttler’s done this before for England. I remember in Dubai against Pakistan he just exploded from 50 to 100.He just got the gift, hasn’t he. I don’t there’s a better middle order batsman in world white-ball cricket.”

He further went on to say that Buttler is better than Indian wicket-keeper MS Dhoni. He said: “The Indians will go nuts because they’ll say ‘there’s MS Dhoni’. Well, I think Buttler’s just gone ahead of MS Dhoni because of his approach and because of the power he brings.”

Buttler has, so far, played 102 ODIs for England, and has amassed 2,651 runs at 38.42 with an impressive average of 117.87. Dhoni, on the other hand has represented India in 312 ODIs, accumulated 9,898 runs at 51.55 with a strike-rate of 88.46.

http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...d-of-ms-dhoni-believes-michael-vaughan-679811

As batsmen they are both very similar in temperament, can be destructive but play sensibly and according to situation, but keeping skills are not even comparable, Dhoni wasnt great to pace bowling but to spin he was amazing and made a difference with the gloves, Buttler is a very average keeper

 

[Ted123]

Yes

 

[light]

Dhoni in his prime Vs Buttler? LMAO, what is this guy smoking? If he means at the current state, yea ok, even Brandon Taylor is better than Dhoni at this point. Reverse the clock back 5-6 years back, yea right.

 

[Abdullah719]

Dhoni in his prime Vs Buttler? LMAO, what is this guy smoking? If he means at the current state, yea ok, even Brandon Taylor is better than Dhoni at this point. Reverse the clock back 5-6 years back, yea right.

The tweet in #61 seems to suggest that the comparison is based on their current standing.

However, Dhoni still won the poll.

 

[DRsohail]

Forget Dhoni, let him surpass Sangakkara first, or even Gilchrist.

SANGA WAS A BAT and if he does it will be a huge achievement but the role he has to play suits to be compared with Dhoni but he has long way to go.