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Jos Buttler - One of the worst Test wicket-keepers ever?

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A talented ODI batsman but if he was keeping for my team I would be nervous every single delivery. Especially against spinners. Don’t think I’ve seen a worse keeper against spinners in my life.

Just as I say this he drops a catch
 
A talented ODI batsman but if he was keeping for my team I would be nervous every single delivery. Especially against spinners. Don’t think I’ve seen a worse keeper against spinners in my life.

Just as I say this he drops a catch

You clearly never watched Kamran Akmal play.

He makes Butler look like Boucher.

To be honest - Butler is having a bad match but he’s overall a decent keeper. He hasn’t missed too many chances.
 
You clearly never watched Kamran Akmal play.

He makes Butler look like Boucher.

To be honest - Butler is having a bad match but he’s overall a decent keeper. He hasn’t missed too many chances.

It’s not just about chances. It’s the way he moves and gathers the ball
 
Problem is that most teams looking at batting talent while selecting WK , which is not right . You need to look at WK on his WK skills first .
 
Keeping is relatively harder in England with the Duke bowl as it wobbles a bit coming to the keeper.

In the last series, Buttler with the gloves looked in a different league to the opposition keeper, Shane Dowrich.

He is a fine keeper and getting better, was very tidy in the final test vs Windies.
 
The catch of Masood off Bess seemed a very regulation wicketkeeper catch, should have taken it.
 
Another absolute dolly missed by Buttler.
 
Another absolute dolly missed by Buttler.

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Looks like he had a rough day. This type of dropped catch/stumping can cost team the game.
 
I would say he missed 2 difficult chances. I wouldn't call them regulation chances... as I don't think anyone was expecting the extra bounce from the spinner on day one.
 
He’s not as bad as people making him seem

Had a tough day
 
I don't think that Ed Smith has quite grasped how different a game Test cricket is compared with white ball formats.

Buttler is a lovely clean hitter of a white ball that doesn't deviate, but both he and Bairstow are goalkeepers, not wicketkeepers.
 
I don't think that Ed Smith has quite grasped how different a game Test cricket is compared with white ball formats.

Buttler is a lovely clean hitter of a white ball that doesn't deviate, but both he and Bairstow are goalkeepers, not wicketkeepers.

Kamran akmal played for a decade trying to fool everyone that he is a wicket keeper Its the signs of the times
 
Very good thread to be honest I have thought of this increasingly for a long time, the question is this; is Butler the batsman that damn good that his keeping doesn't matter as much at the Test level?

Firstly we need to partly appreciate that for the first time in decades, England have embraced a radical approach when it comes to selections in the modern era, in the past we'd pick a keeper primarily due to his ability with the gloves and if he could bat a bit that was a bonus and that's how it should be generally speaking, e.g Geraint Jones et al. We now don't shy from dynamism or youth, in the limited forms this has worked and done wonders, while such an approach can have its benefits to as we've seen with nations like Pakistan picking bowlers at a very young age, I see this as a positive to giving the likes of Hameed and Pope a chance when it would have been unheard of 10 years ago.

But you have to find that balance, while how wickets are maintained can change and the quality of bowlers/batsman; the way Test cricket is played has not changed, England need to bear that in mind before getting a little too ambitious picking white ball specialists to do the job for them at the highest level, the radical approach is welcomed but they need to think a bit more laterally.

Butler is a special talent and am not against having such a player in the team, but if he is being picked a keeper then that needs to be his specialist skill, there are rare occasions where a select player is great with the gloves and bat, for every 50 or 100 Butler may score, 1 missed chance could cost the team a lot more then any runs he scores ultimately. Evidently his keeping requires a great deal of attention and especially his concentration levels, we need hone these skills; am not sure if he should work things out from within the set up or beyond it but it an area which needs vast improvement, only then can he reach his full potential hopefully
 
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He’s not as bad as people making him seem

Had a tough day

Technically he isn't bad bad bad, he has the tendency to fade mentally and his concentration levels suffer incredibly. Test cricket can be very taxing for a keeper in that regard, I think he still has potential but right now with the gloves we have better options in the country, if England continue to select him then there needs to be a massive amount of work being done with him behind the scenes
 
Technically he isn't bad bad bad, he has the tendency to fade mentally and his concentration levels suffer incredibly. Test cricket can be very taxing for a keeper in that regard, I think he still has potential but right now with the gloves we have better options in the country, if England continue to select him then there needs to be a massive amount of work being done with him behind the scenes

Measured and credible.
 
Buttler has played 40+ test matches and if he's still having these issues then it shows he's finding test cricket very difficult.
 
He dropped a catch against West Indies the other week and it was discovered by Sky that it was the first catch he had dropped in two years of playing international cricket, so I actually think he is a better wicketkeeper than many people (including me) give him credit for.
 
Buttler with his third mistake of the innings - a thin edge from Yasir put down behind the stumps.
 
If Stokes can’t bowl going forward then Foakes has to be the all-rounder and bat at six.
 
He's not a terrible keeper. He's not a great keeper either. But he's a mediocre test cricketer. I

I haven't seen enough of Foakes to comment on him. What I don't understand is why Bairstow gets treated like the step son while Butler gets a longer leash. Bairstow is a far superior cricketer than Butler. He just needs stability and confidence.
 
I think Bairstow is a very decent wicketkeeper but his batting has let him down recently. No doubt Foakes is the most natural and talented gloveman England have had in years.
 
I think he is a decent keeper but when keeping against spin he does tend to make mistakes.
 
Playing a very solid innings here.

Making up for some of his earlier mistakes.
 
I would say he missed 2 difficult chances. I wouldn't call them regulation chances... as I don't think anyone was expecting the extra bounce from the spinner on day one.

He missed 3, two were difficult one was regulation.
 
He has kept well against pace in England which means he can keep against pace anywhere. However, against spin, he is atrocious. So, the question is will England persist with him in India and Sri Lanka tour?

He plays spin well but no way can he pick up gloves skill to be persisted in those conditions in next 6-7 months time.
 
He has kept well against pace in England which means he can keep against pace anywhere. However, against spin, he is atrocious. So, the question is will England persist with him in India and Sri Lanka tour?

He plays spin well but no way can he pick up gloves skill to be persisted in those conditions in next 6-7 months time.

Therefore he is a liability whenever England play with a spinner?
 
Lets through 4 byes - not the best so far
 
He's made his fair share of mistakes throughout this series, but this was a spectacular catch to dismiss Shaheen:

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England need a proper wicket keeper, period. Youll get off dropping catches against Pakistan but Australia/NZ/India will make u pay for it dearly.
He needs to compete for a place in the side as a pure batsman. You cant wait for him to improve playing test cricket at this level.
 
He’s up there with Kami lol. But your wicket keeper can not be this bad at his primary job, not in Tests.
 
I have never seen a more regulation wicket-keeper catch dropped:

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But he took two great catches yesterday, both of which many keepers would have missed. It can’t be the case that when he takes great catches he gets no credit, but when he drops one then suddenly the thread gets bumped. That is not balanced.
 
But he took two great catches yesterday, both of which many keepers would have missed. It can’t be the case that when he takes great catches he gets no credit, but when he drops one then suddenly the thread gets bumped. That is not balanced.

He did get a lot of credit yesterday for his catch even on this thread. There is no doubt that he is an athlete but to me he just isn’t a natural keeper. Someone like him will take stunners but will make a lot of basic mistakes
 
But he took two great catches yesterday, both of which many keepers would have missed. It can’t be the case that when he takes great catches he gets no credit, but when he drops one then suddenly the thread gets bumped. That is not balanced.

Think you'll find this thread was bumped if you scroll up a bit.
 
He looked much better than Dowrich when latter kept for Windies this year. So, the answer is No. This is England setup and I expect some special practice session coming in for fielders after this match.
 
But he took two great catches yesterday, both of which many keepers would have missed. It can’t be the case that when he takes great catches he gets no credit, but when he drops one then suddenly the thread gets bumped. That is not balanced.

Even Kamran Akmal took several great catches. Doesn't mean he isn't one of the worst glovemen ever to play a decent amount of games.
 
Keeping is not his strong suit but I despise these over reactions like "worst ever". If you started watching cricket in the last few weeks, he will be the worse keeper. But in a century of this game he won't be the worst.
 
Specialist wicketkeepers have no business in modern cricket.
Buttler is the real deal.

How is he the real deal? average of 32 after 46 matches. That's even worse than Bairstow. Compared to someone like QdK, an average of 39, and he is 10 times the keeper Buttler is.
 
Keeping is not his strong suit but I despise these over reactions like "worst ever". If you started watching cricket in the last few weeks, he will be the worse keeper. But in a century of this game he won't be the worst.

I started watching cricket in the last few weeks. Educate me please
 
I have never seen a more regulation wicket-keeper catch dropped:

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You can tell by his technique that he isnt a natural keeper

He doesnt get himself in a great position to takr this catch

Hes always feeling for ball rather than than the ball hitting his gloves

He may make you runs but buttler will always drop simple catches here and there like this Hes just not a good enough keeper
 
Dropped Maxwell early off of Rashid’a bowling in the series decider. Regulation catch. Maxwell went on to win Australia the game and therefore the series
 
Dropped Maxwell early off of Rashid’a bowling in the series decider. Regulation catch. Maxwell went on to win Australia the game and therefore the series

He is a poor keeper but that was not regulation by any means. Most keepers would have struggled to grab that one.
 
Specialist wicketkeepers have no business in modern cricket.
Buttler is the real deal.

He is not the real deal as a keeper.

In fact he is the worst keeper I have ever seen in an England shirt.

Give the gloves to Foakes.
 
He is not the real deal as a keeper.

In fact he is the worst keeper I have ever seen in an England shirt.

Give the gloves to Foakes.
He is the real deal as a wicketkeeper batsman.
The days of specialist keepers are long gone.
 
He is the real deal as a wicketkeeper batsman.
The days of specialist keepers are long gone.

But the days of competent keepers are still here. There will probably never be another keeper with the skill of Knott or Kirmani, but your modern batsman-keeper can still get up to Stewart or Dhoni standard.
Buttler is nowhere near as good as them.
 
But the days of competent keepers are still here. There will probably never be another keeper with the skill of Knott or Kirmani, but your modern batsman-keeper can still get up to Stewart or Dhoni standard.
Buttler is nowhere near as good as them.
Do you really think including a specialist wicketkeeper over a batsman keeper will help,keeping in mind the batting standards of england these days.
Your best batsman is root and he is nowhere near his best these days,Burns Sibley are average , Crawley and pope are promising but they won't churn out consistent scores at such a young age.So do you really think including a specialist keeper would help.?

I thought after this season every fan will realize why Buttler is preferred over foakes.
 
Do you really think including a specialist wicketkeeper over a batsman keeper will help,keeping in mind the batting standards of england these days.
Your best batsman is root and he is nowhere near his best these days,Burns Sibley are average , Crawley and pope are promising but they won't churn out consistent scores at such a young age.So do you really think including a specialist keeper would help.?

I thought after this season every fan will realize why Buttler is preferred over foakes.

I think if your playing a top team eg india austrlia you need a keeper batesman against Pakistan sri Lanka ect you can have an batter who is ok in keeping
 
Don't think so. One season of keeping and he has improved miles.
 
Yes Butler is one of the worst, it's Pant however that leads the list.
 
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