JUI-F march: This has got to be the most ridiculous march in the history of Pakistani politics

[cric_man]

Absolutely agree, I would argue that this is anti-Pakistani because it wouldn’t be a surprise to find out that the funds for this protest came from enemy state(s).

Yes, it would be great to know who is funding the Qeemay waley naan this time around?

 

[kk1992]

As predicted, you have provided the same poor justification.

The problem is that when Imran made those statements, his supporters were in awe and were using this statements to justify that he is different from the rest.

The narrative from his supporters at the time was that he is not like the other politicians and he is actually going to act on the things that he promised and stated in his election campaign. That was the foundation and the core essence of his political ideology.

However, now that he has failed to walk the talk and live up to the big words, his supporters are negating their own previous argument by stating that he was only showing “sabz baagh” like the other politicians.

If that is the case, what is point of this tabdeeli and Naya Pakistan drama? What is Naya about this Pakistan and what has changed? Where is the accountability that Imran promised?

What is different about Sheikh Rasheed as Railway Minister compared to Saad Rafique? If Saad Rafique was response for Lodhra according to Imran, why isn’t Sheikh Rasheed responsible for Sadiqabad and what happened the other day?

As far as the notion that PTI’s “manshoor” is different to Imran Khan’s, that again is not true. There is no PTI without Imran Khan and the party exists because of his political ideology.

PTI is a fake party that is standing on the shoulders of lotas and opportunists in the parliament. I hope Imran lives long, but once he is gone, there is nothing in PTI that will hold these opportunists together. The party has no solid roots.

Furthermore, the justification that Imran had to welcome these electables (fancy word for lotas) because you cannot come into power without them and you have to change the system within etc. is irrational. The same people who are now defending Imran for taking this U-turn are the ones who proudly claimed that Imran is right to not take lotas in his party.

Imran and his supporters now are right about one thing. You cannot win an election without these lotas because they have their established vote banks. However, this is something that he should have realized at the time when he was showing his usual “sabz baagh” to the nation.

Before 2013 election, he repeatedly stated on record that he will not welcome lotas in his party because these politicians are only concerned with their self-interests rather than the betterment of the country, and they jump from one party to another based on who will be more beneficial to their political careers.

However, after he got a reality check, he changed his stance and started to justify the inclusion of lotas who were now halal. There is no such thing as changing the system within as far as Pakistani politics are concerned and we are seeing the results now.

The lotas will not change their colors and Imran cannot hold them accountable because his party will collapse if he fires them. He was able to fire Asad Umar from his cabinet because he is not a political person.

However, if he fires the likes of Fawad Chaudhry, Pervez Khattak or SMQ, they will end up joining the opposition the next day. Politics is their career and they know how to survive in this political system. As a result, you cannot hold these people accountable.

They will keep moving from one ministry to another and will not be held accountable. Pervez Khattak failed as CM KP and Imran rewarded him with Defense Ministry; Fawad Chaudhry failed as Minister of Information and Imran rewarded him with Science and Tech.

If Pervez Khattak and Fawad Chaudhry were not lotas, Imran could afford to send them home like Asad Umar, but now, he can’t. Hence, it is not possible to change the system within.

Brah, each and every point of your have been addressed and you have been exposed multiple times with mediocrity, ignorance and agenda, and yet keep repeating the same old repeated talking points.

It is politics, he isn’t a messiah as you claimed, every little kid understand the system in Pakistan, but yet you decided to be selective.

IK isn’t going no where and none of the other are ever becoming PM. Admit and move on.

 

[Mamoon]

Brah, each and every point of your have been addressed and you have been exposed multiple times with mediocrity, ignorance and agenda, and yet keep repeating the same old repeated talking points.

It is politics, he isn’t a messiah as you claimed, every little kid understand the system in Pakistan, but yet you decided to be selective.

IK isn’t going no where and none of the other are ever becoming PM. Admit and move on.

Nothing has been addressed or exposed because these are facts. They have only been countered with deflection, double standards, hypocrisy and logical fallacies.

I didn’t claim him to be a messiah. That is the image and his hardcore supporters conjured over the years. However, now that he is failing to walk the talk and live up to the tall claims that he made, they are justifying him by stating that “it is politics”. These are the same people who proudly claim that he is different and will not do the usual politics. That claimed has backfired spectacularly.

Imran will go when his employers say so.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

I never thought someone who's apparently a doctor would have sooooo much trouble understanding a few lines of plain English.

I will not address your points because you take every word from IK and hold onto it like a child rather than understanding the gist of it. Not surprisingly, you don't impose such standards on your favorite Billo and Maryam and countless other idiots. You've been exposed by nearly every other poster but keep regurgitating the same lies as if they'll eventually become the truth.

I'll say this though; IK is not a messiah and its only been a year.
You've been quiet about much worse times for 8 YEARS.
Atleast let IK complete a term.

I do agree with one thing. PTI is nothing without IK. However, that's how it is with every founding member of an organisation.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

I never thought someone who's apparently a doctor would have sooooo much trouble understanding a few lines of plain English.

I will not address your points because you take every word from IK and hold onto it like a child rather than understanding the gist of it. Not surprisingly, you don't impose such standards on your favorite Billo and Maryam and countless other idiots. You've been exposed by nearly every other poster but keep regurgitating the same lies as if they'll eventually become the truth.

I'll say this though; IK is not a messiah and its only been a year.
You've been quiet about much worse times for 8 YEARS.
Atleast let IK complete a term.

I do agree with one thing. PTI is nothing without IK. However, that's how it is with every founding member of an organisation.

I don’t think my English is terrible. The problem is that you don’t have a point.

Please explain the “gist” of Imran’s statements in post 67?

These are just a couple of examples of his holier than thou attitude which he doesn’t apply on himself and his party. As they say, talk is cheap. For Imran, talk is not cheap - it is free.

As far Bilawal and Maryam are concerned, or Zardari and Nawaz, their political rhetoric is not built on tabdeeli and Naya Pakistan like Imran.

When your entire political career is built on talking about doing things differently and changing the system, how are you going to be judged against the same standards as others?

This is something PTI supporters do not have the capacity to understand. When you put someone on a pedestal and claim that he will break the status quo, you can no longer compare him to others and justify his failures by highlighting the failures of others.

Imran set out to change the system and end the status quo, but because of his naivety and idealism, he underestimated the harsh realities of Pakistan policies. As a result, instead of changing the system, he has allowed the system to change him and he has accepted the status quo.

Finally, it is not about time. It is about the direction. What will change in the future? Will he hold Sheikh Rasheed accountable when there is an accident in the future?

Will he follow his own previous advice and resign himself?

Will people like Fawad Chaudhry, Pervez Khattak, SMQ, Firdous Awan and of course Sheikh Rasheed not hold important ministries in the future?

 

[Iqbal'sh]

As far Bilawal and Maryam are concerned, or Zardari and Nawaz, their political rhetoric is not built on tabdeeli and Naya Pakistan like Imran.

When your entire political career is built on talking about doing things differently and changing the system, how are you going to be judged against the same standards as others?

This is something PTI supporters do not have the capacity to understand. When you put someone on a pedestal and claim that he will break the status quo, you can no longer compare him to others and justify his failures by highlighting the failures of others

For a developing country the major concern should be continued improvements (constant change) until you have achieved the zenith.
Why are they not the main policies of PPP or PMLN?? Why are they looking after only the wealthy corrupt??
For your information there never was or will be any comparison between IK and the rest.
Implementing changes is going to take time because those in the hot seats in almost all these institutions are not going to make it easy to reform them. Doing so means they lose their main source of income (illegally gotten wealth). FBR is a case in point which is currently in the news.

 

[cric_man]

Did you really have to explain this basic concept?

I guess one has to put in words for those who are pretending to be delusional to protect their investment of past 30 years.

Hey you never know, if they are intellectually challenged or just being disingenuous on purpose.
I want to give him a benefit of the doubt and try to educate versus be abusive.

Bottom line is, we need to look past our biases and try to work together for the betterment of the country.
At the moment, IK is the best we have by country mile. Do I think he is perfect? no. But I will be happy if he achieves 30% of what PTI had stated for their 100 day agenda!

 

[kk1992]

Hey you never know, if they are intellectually challenged or just being disingenuous on purpose.
I want to give him a benefit of the doubt and try to educate versus be abusive.

Bottom line is, we need to look past our biases and try to work together for the betterment of the country.
At the moment, IK is the best we have by country mile. Do I think he is perfect? no. But I will be happy if he achieves 30% of what PTI had stated for their 100 day agenda!

In agreement of 100%.

 

[corneredtiger85292]

Absolutely agree, I would argue that this is anti-Pakistani because it wouldn’t be a surprise to find out that the funds for this protest came from enemy state(s).

I think as things come to light, we shall your assumption to be spot on my friend. The opposition and their supports are fools..the lot of them !

 

[Abdullah719]

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