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Junaid Khan or Usman Khan Shinwari: Who would you pick for the World Cup squad?

Junaid Khan or Usman Khan Shinwari: Who would you pick for the World Cup squad?

  • Junaid Khan for me

    Votes: 14 42.4%

  • It has to be Usman Shinwari

    Votes: 13 39.4%

  • Both should be included

    Votes: 4 12.1%

  • Both should be left out

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • Total voters
    33
  • Poll closed .
No one. Both are pathetic skill less bowlers without pace.i would take wahab over these pathetic bowlers everyday and twice on sunday
 
Junaid Khan has good experience of English conditions and it was evident in the Champion's Trophy.

Shinwari is a loose canon, he can lose you you a match with his poor spell when its not his day.
 
Green Patriot said:
This is such a depressing thread.
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As depressing as it sounds, one of the two will have to make the 15. Micky seems to love UKS and wants to keep him in the spotlight for WC consideration.

Realistically, Shinwari had no business being selected for the Pak v Aus series considering how he had lost his way by the end of the South Africa series and his below par, mediocre PSL performance. The guy takes another quick-fire 4 wickets and he seems to make everyone's WC squad all of a sudden.
 
Usman.

Junaid is injury prone and two years older than in 2017.

His fitness hasn't been up to the mark either.

Plus Usman clearly outperformed Junaid on the same pitch against the same opposition.
 
Chokli said:
Usman.

Junaid is injury prone and two years older than in 2017.

His fitness hasn't been up to the mark either.

Plus Usman clearly outperformed Junaid on the same pitch against the same opposition.
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This is problematic. It is not enough evidence to be considered for the bigger picture. This was not even the Australia side that we are likely to face in the world cup. This is one side out of 9 others, all posing different challenges. A world cup match is not an ordinary ODI match at Dubai stadium with no fans watching.

Junaid Khan has injury problems but I would pick him 99/100 times before UKS.
 
Chokli said:
Usman.

Junaid is injury prone and two years older than in 2017.

His fitness hasn't been up to the mark either.

Plus Usman clearly outperformed Junaid on the same pitch against the same opposition.
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Junaid has some varitions.
 
Shinwari is a dangerous bowler. He has the knack of getting wickets in bunches. His only issue is that he can be dangerous. His quick action can be confusing to the batsmen.

Juniad Khan is decent. His only variation is the slower bouncer and good batsmen can easily hit him out of the attack.
 
I'd take Junaid over Aamir these days but if Aamir is selected which it's likely he will be I'd take Usman just cuz he provides something a little different.
 
Sajjad-007 said:
Who would you pick if only one could go?
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Junaid Khan, He has Experience of English Conditions (Having Played English Domestic cricket) and Was once Pakistan's #1 bowler (pre injury). He always had potential.

Usman Khan Shinwari, is Umar Akmal of Pace Bowling. Can bowl garbage anytime.

So of those 2 Junaid Is the better option.
 
Usman Shinwari will be directly responsible for us losing a match or two in the WC.


He is an inferior version of Wahab. Same spray gun style of bowling with lower pace.
 
None!!!!

Pacers should be,

Mohammad Amir
Shaheen Afridi
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Hasnain
Fahim Ashraf
 
Junaid has deteriorated further as a bowler in the past 2 years. I have a feeling Shinwari gets selected but I hope he doesn't play in any games and our first 3 is Amir Hasan and Shinwari
 
Syed1 said:
Usman Shinwari will be directly responsible for us losing a match or two in the WC.


He is an inferior version of Wahab. Same spray gun style of bowling with lower pace.
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Usman Shinwari in ODIs :
Matches : 15
Wickets : 28
Economy : 4.92
Average : 19.32

He has been Pakistan's 2nd best pacer after Hassan Ali since CT17, he has performed almost against every opposition and isn't someone who feasts on minnows.

Judging him on the basis of his T20 performance is completely wrong, he can be bad or worst in T20 but he's very good in ODIs and that's a fact, both with new ball and with the old ball as well.

If Shinwari doesn't deserve to be in the WC team, then no one deserves it maybe apart from Hassan
 
Rana said:
As depressing as it sounds, one of the two will have to make the 15. Micky seems to love UKS and wants to keep him in the spotlight for WC consideration.

Realistically, Shinwari had no business being selected for the Pak v Aus series considering how he had lost his way by the end of the South Africa series and his below par, mediocre PSL performance. The guy takes another quick-fire 4 wickets and he seems to make everyone's WC squad all of a sudden.
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It is depressing because Pakistan which was always known for its fast bowling is now resorting to contemplation between the likes of Junaid and Shinwari for an all important tourney like the worldcup.

I was frankly surprised that Shinwari was selected even though he bowled crap in SA apart from some of those tailender wickets he picked up in one of the matches and even though he bowled well in UAE against a fired up Aussie batting lineup contrary to my expectations, but the problem is that Shinwari just doesnt instill that confidence in me.I am always expecting him to go for runs and runs in an amount that can singlehandedly lose us matches and its just too risky to select him but Junaid hasnt been upto the mark either and it is frustrating that we have to select between one of these two when neither are deserving to represent us at the worldcup for now.
 
Rana said:
This is problematic. It is not enough evidence to be considered for the bigger picture. This was not even the Australia side that we are likely to face in the world cup. This is one side out of 9 others, all posing different challenges. A world cup match is not an ordinary ODI match at Dubai stadium with no fans watching.

Junaid Khan has injury problems but I would pick him 99/100 times before UKS.
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Exactly, and yet Junaid was smashed all over.

Move on from Junaid, this isn't the Junaid of 2013.
 
Shinwari if this was purely based on ability however I envisage him choking on the big stage as evident from the number of matches, he's got carted around in the back end of the innings.

So I would go for Junaid Khan as he played pivotal role during the CT 2017 with his bowling performances throughout the competition. He's a lot more calm under pressure. Having said that, I'm not convinced he's one of Pakistan's three best bowlers due to his lack of pace (even slower than Amir) and his lateral movement, so in my eyes he's a gun barrel straight trundler who is a shadow of what he was back in 2012-2013, when he was consistently bowling 140+. He makes the squad as the back up to Pakistan's front line trio of bowlers comprising of Shaheen, Amir and Hasan Ali.

As far as Pakistan lefties are concerned, I rank them as follows:
Shaheen > Amir > Junaid > Shinwari > Rumman > Wahab > Rahat > Waqas Masood

Other than Shaheen, the rest are pretty average/substandard.
 
I wouldn't want either. Both would probably ball no balls on wicket taking deliveries. If one, maybe junaid khan.
 
A tough call. Junaid is the safe option. Won't tear up any trees but in most games will be reliable to bowl out 10 overs. Shinwari is very much boom or bust, can probably pick up more wickets but you can see him going for 90 plus in a few games. I think Junaid.
 
Both of them won’t make into the 11, will just be back up to play against Afghanistan and Bangladesh where they can rest SSA. Mostly it will be Amir, SSA and Hasan Ali . The next in line is faheem ashraf.

Junaid or UKS will be warming the bench unless AMIR continues to be bad
 
topspin said:
Shinwari if this was purely based on ability however I envisage him choking on the big stage as evident from the number of matches, he's got carted around in the back end of the innings.

So I would go for Junaid Khan as he played pivotal role during the CT 2017 with his bowling performances throughout the competition. He's a lot more calm under pressure. Having said that, I'm not convinced he's one of Pakistan's three best bowlers due to his lack of pace (even slower than Amir) and his lateral movement, so in my eyes he's a gun barrel straight trundler who is a shadow of what he was back in 2012-2013, when he was consistently bowling 140+. He makes the squad as the back up to Pakistan's front line trio of bowlers comprising of Shaheen, Amir and Hasan Ali.

As far as Pakistan lefties are concerned, I rank them as follows:
Shaheen > Amir > Junaid > Shinwari > Rumman > Wahab > Rahat > Waqas Masood

Other than Shaheen, the rest are pretty average/substandard.
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Agree with u but do we just make sure that he only bowls before over 43. Hasan should be able to bowl with the new ball with Shaheen and Imad chipping in against teams that play 2 righties
 
Syed1 said:
Usman Shinwari will be directly responsible for us losing a match or two in the WC.


He is an inferior version of Wahab. Same spray gun style of bowling with lower pace.
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Indeed.

Same also holds true for Junaid though. Both are terrible. Junaid is a gun barrel straight hopping trundler.

But obviously the lesser evil is Junaid. So can be picked as a backup.
 
Hawkeye said:
Indeed.

Same also holds true for Junaid though. Both are terrible. Junaid is a gun barrel straight hopping trundler.

But obviously the lesser evil is Junaid. So can be picked as a backup.
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Different horses for different courses. We have Shaheen and Hasan as our attacking options and Amir/Junaid can very effectively play that defensive role (obviously if things go their way both have capability of ripping through batting line ups). Now with Shinwari you cannot hope to defend, more often than not he will be the most expensive bowler in the side. He just doesn't fit in the team mould.
 
Junaid Khan. He's a good ODI bowler who can bowl and pick up wickets at any stage of an innings. Also, like some others have said, he was a crucial cog of the bowling machine that charged its way to the CT two years ago. He should be on that plane.

Shinwari is a decent bowler himself but not one of the top four in Pakistan. He'll make the stand-by list.
 
Abdullah said:
Agree with u but do we just make sure that he only bowls before over 43. Hasan should be able to bowl with the new ball with Shaheen and Imad chipping in against teams that play 2 righties
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Good question. If Junaid Khan makes the first team and proves to be expensive as well as ineffective (with wickets concerned), then worth changing for Shinwari ensuring he bowls his overs before overs 42-43.

Having said that, perhaps only one of these two bowlers will make the WC squad and if this happens to be the case, unfortunately it will be Shinwari who will most likely get the nod because he's in Mickey's good books.
 
Junaid against top teams since CT 2017 is something like 4 matches - avg. of 58 and economy of 6.32 . Worst pakistani fast bowler after Aamir in this period. Shinwari against top teams - 7 matches avg. of 29 and economy of 5.38. Mickey likes him for a reason. Gives it his all and despite not being the most talented has come up with better numbers. These days he even seems fitter than Junaid. I think it's better to leave out both Aamir/Junaid and take another young quick to the World Cup - most likely Hasnain
 
Junaid khan is averaging 41 in the last 5 years , i think we need to move on from him. Shinwari should be selected ahead of him only because of his record but I think neither of them should play for us in the world cup. People are judging shinwari on PSL , PSL is fun t20 cricket. In odis he has done pretty well.

Play shinwari against england and lets see how he does.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Junaid against top teams since CT 2017 is something like 4 matches - avg. of 58 and economy of 6.32 . Worst pakistani fast bowler after Aamir in this period. Shinwari against top teams - 7 matches avg. of 29 and economy of 5.38. Mickey likes him for a reason. Gives it his all and despite not being the most talented has come up with better numbers. These days he even seems fitter than Junaid. I think it's better to leave out both Aamir/Junaid and take another young quick to the World Cup - most likely Hasnain
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You can't take an inexperienced and newbie bowling line-up like that to a World Cup. Amir and Junaid are proven performers especially in England, where they always deliver and are better known to the conditions. One of them is a must, if not both, as their new ball partnership is pretty deadly which is seen whenever they play together.

Mohammad Hasnain isn't ready for International cricket right now and needs to develop further on his bowling skills, raw pace doesn't take you anywhere if you don't have anything else ex: Wahab Riaz.

Usman Shinwari for all his stats is a bottler whenever going gets tough, I don't know what will he do on a stage as big as WC and we can regret big time by taking him but it looks like he is going for now.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Junaid khan is averaging 41 in the last 5 years , i think we need to move on from him. Shinwari should be selected ahead of him only because of his record but I think neither of them should play for us in the world cup. People are judging shinwari on PSL , PSL is fun t20 cricket. In odis he has done pretty well.

Play shinwari against england and lets see how he does.
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What about in South Africa? Didn't you watch the 2nd T20I, where David Miller made him register the Worst bowling figures ever by a Pakistani.

He was also poor in ODIs, except for the 4th ODI where he rolled over the tailenders. His wicket off No-ball costed us that series decider.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Junaid against top teams since CT 2017 is something like 4 matches - avg. of 58 and economy of 6.32 . Worst pakistani fast bowler after Aamir in this period. Shinwari against top teams - 7 matches avg. of 29 and economy of 5.38. Mickey likes him for a reason. Gives it his all and despite not being the most talented has come up with better numbers. These days he even seems fitter than Junaid. I think it's better to leave out both Aamir/Junaid and take another young quick to the World Cup - most likely Hasnain
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No one judges a bowler over four matches played over a period of two years. Given the WC is not exclusive to the top teams, Junaid's overall stats in this period will be more useful. Of course, disregarding his CT performance, a tournament that was held in the same country is pretty strange in itself.

JibranAnsari said:
Junaid khan is averaging 41 in the last 5 years , i think we need to move on from him. Shinwari should be selected ahead of him only because of his record but I think neither of them should play for us in the world cup. People are judging shinwari on PSL , PSL is fun t20 cricket. In odis he has done pretty well.

Play shinwari against england and lets see how he does.
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Can you share these stats?
 
I am a big fan of Junaid Khan, but I think shinwari will get the nod instead. it really sucks because junaid rarely gets any chances to perform and deserves to be in the world cup. Shinwari is looking good and his recent performances will definitely give him the edge.

We have to survive on faheem ashraf and amir's torturous bowling, as they are undroppable
 
Arsalan Pro said:
What about in South Africa? Didn't you watch the 2nd T20I, where David Miller made him register the Worst bowling figures ever by a Pakistani.

He was also poor in ODIs, except for the 4th ODI where he rolled over the tailenders. His wicket off No-ball costed us that series decider.
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His overall record is better in Odis , t20s is a different game. In the series against australia too he has done better than junaid and did trouble khwaja quite a bit. He is improving , though i think both junaid and shinwari shouldnt be in starting 11.
 
Hello to everyone... This is my first post so dont wanna say something stupid but i believe junaid is a much better bowler then usman...the problem with junaid is that the management shows no confidence in him which effects his performance...remember when there was no amir or asif and pakistan played junaid he was the strike bowler then i remember there was a time when he had a better average (around 22 and i remember cricinfo published an article as well on that topic)then dale steyn who was the best bowler going around at that time... It was because of him we won against India and won our first even bilateral series in South Africa... I feel like pakistan just haven't used him properly... In an ideal world i would play him alongside amir which would create some kind of rivalry between them and both of them would give the best performance. I personally dont like this system of picking players on there reputation or coach picking player because he likes them... I would like that pakistan gets a coach who would want player who perform rather then having a certain reputation.
I hope i haven't said anything stupid.😅
 
Shinwari over Junaid any day tbh.

Pakistan are going into the WC with nothing to lose, may as well take matchwinners along.

And yes, to pick Shinwari above Junaid can haunt back, but still who would you choose to pick up key wickets at a crucial moment?
 
Junaid for me. Maybe we can get them both in and leave out the useless Amir.
 
Junaid for me for experience. Shinwari comes good but by that time the match's gone out of our hands.
 
Shinwari over any current Pakistani fast bowler except Hassan & Shaheen
 
I am really confused. Shinwari is brilliant in patches and Junaid is really past his best.

I would actually pick Shinwari for the pace.
 
Junaid is the second best bowler of Pakistan. Should be a MUST for the squad. I would include Shinwari as well in place of Amir.
 
I used to like junaid. But his too similar to Amir. Low 130kph pace with out much zip.

Whereas shinwari bowls with pace and Is aggressive. And has the X Factor.

So I would go for shinwari.
 
Sher Khan said:
I used to like junaid. But his too similar to Amir. Low 130kph pace with out much zip.

Whereas shinwari bowls with pace and Is aggressive. And has the X Factor.

So I would go for shinwari.
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He doesn't really have the X factor. Shaheen has that: pace, bounce, bit of swing.

All Shinwari does is bend his back in a really awkward position and send down inswingers at good pace. Effective on his day but I feel in the WC on flat (yes they may seem and swing a little but still...) English decks he'll be tonked towards midwicket. He doesn't have much other than that, he is almost like Rumman Raees; Raees had yorkers and he has inswingers.

Junaid can still swing and seam albeit at a lower pace. I feel that Junaid's rounded of skill-set will be more effective than Shinwari's here and there performances.
 
FastBowlingAllrounder said:
He doesn't really have the X factor. Shaheen has that: pace, bounce, bit of swing.

All Shinwari does is bend his back in a really awkward position and send down inswingers at good pace. Effective on his day but I feel in the WC on flat (yes they may seem and swing a little but still...) English decks he'll be tonked towards midwicket. He doesn't have much other than that, he is almost like Rumman Raees; Raees had yorkers and he has inswingers.

Junaid can still swing and seam albeit at a lower pace. I feel that Junaid's rounded of skill-set will be more effective than Shinwari's here and there performances.
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Agree with that assessment. Not really excited by the prospect of either of these two. Shinwari is limited and not that fast either, Junaid has a few more variations, but bowls at a trundler pace so is liable to be boomed for sixes in death overs. I would much prefer a genuine quick bowler over both.
 
Shinwari has been the far better wicket taker in the last 18 months. He's erratic, but gets wickets.

Probably best wicket taking option after Hassan Ali
 
An all Khyber-Pathan attack of Junaid, Shinwari and Shaheen sounds good only that they are all lefty's. Throw in Hassan as well if a spinner is not playing. Amir has a lot of work to do if he is gonna make the starting line up but he should be on that flight to England.
 
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