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Justice for Haider Ali: How is he not better than Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah and Azam Khan?

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Why are PCB punishing him and rewarding non performers like Azam, Khushdil and Asif Ali over him? He is a better, cleaner striker of the ball than all 3! PCB today have started to slot in all the Pakistan selected players into the bubble, notably Haider has been excluded. For what exact reason?

If PCB can try to accommodate Fakhar Zaman at 6, then I don’t see why they cannot do the same for Haider Ali who has been in exceptional form in the T20 cup? What is the point of holding a tournament right before the World Cup if it doesn’t mean there will be changes based on merit?

Haider Ali: 8 matches, 280 runs @70.00 with a strike rate of 150

Compared to:

Khushdil Shah: 173 runs @24, sr 125
Azam Khan: 123 runs @17, sr 130
Asif Ali: 124 runs @31, sr 171 (that’s not too bad actually)
 
The 3 most undeserving batsmen have been selected!

Quite incredible that they haven't been replaced, despite their multiple failures in the current tournament.

If they can't perform in this national cup, then how are they going to tackle world class bowlers?

Pathetic really.
 
PowerPoint selector is a bigger fraud than Misqar. He shows these glittering slides but why he is ignoring the performing players?
Leave everything. How is Azam Khan going to WC ?.
 
Not that i agree with khushdil, azam and asif ali going to the world cup but for all his performances in the ongoing cup haider ali needs to continue to play more A tours and domestic cricket and hone his skills over the next year or so

Throwing him in the deep end as we have seen will not do him good It ll ruin a fine prospect

His time will come Just need to be patient and let him learn his game before he comes back

As we have seen with him and naseem playing them at the highesy level when they arent ready hinders their development rather than enhances it
 
shamaan said:
Thier is stil a chance haider ali will make the squad
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But it’s coming at the expense of a bogus reason. If Sohaib Maqsood is injured that is...

He has outperformed Maqsood as well in this tournament. If Masood is injured, this is the side Pakistan is likely to field:

1. Babar
2. Rizwan
3. Haider
4. Hafeez
5. Khushdil
6. Asif
 
experience.

The guy doesnt have any domestic experience. He hasnt been punished, he has been one of the luckiest players ever who got matches this earlier in his career without playing any major number of domestic games.

He likes to play in the upper order and not in the lower order.
 
Major said:
experience.

The guy doesnt have any domestic experience. He hasnt been punished, he has been one of the luckiest players ever who got matches this earlier in his career without playing any major number of domestic games.

He likes to play in the upper order and not in the lower order.
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Dude who would you argue is experienced and more deserving to play ahead of him? We are simply talking about the ability to strike the ball in comparison to out of form batsmen who have been selected ahead of him. Pakistan are apparently adjusting Fakhar to bat at 6 to play the six hitting role!
 
Rana said:
Dude who would you argue is experienced and more deserving to play ahead of him? We are simply talking about the ability to strike the ball in comparison to out of form batsmen who have been selected ahead of him. Pakistan are apparently adjusting Fakhar to bat at 6 to play the six hitting role!
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You have to look at the long term aswell. Haider Ali got an extended run, but he did not show any performance because he is still raw. Hasn't developed.

Yes, he performed in this t20 domestic tournament, but Pakistan should look to polish him by playing him in more domestic games and A tours.

Throwing him in international is not gonna help Pakistan nor his career. He might end up believing he is not good and that effects us in the long run aswell.

Giving him the 15 matches run was a mistake same as playing Naseem Shah. Develop them and than bring them in.

If experienced players are not performing, it doesnt mean you bring in inexperienced ones and throw them in. Even Babar Azam had to play cricket for 5-6 years before he got his show. He was hyped from 2010.

Yes, the selections of Azam Khan, Khushdil and Asif Ali are not that great, but the answer isnt haider ali. There are other players that could be considered.

You throw in Haider right now and if he doesnt perform again, than not only Pakistan suffers, Haiders career also suffers as the player believes he is not good enough for international
 
Fakhar, Haider and Sarfraz have been included, Khushdil, Asam and Hasnain are out. Just been announced on National t20 live coverage
 
In my opinion, it will be a big mistake to take him to T20 world cup in UAE.

Make no mistake, he is far more talented and better player than all of them that op had compared him with, but in UAE, there is a high chance he would fail due slow damp pitch. Unless he make a number of adjustments to his mentality and style of playing he would massively fail in this condition.

Rather Shoaib Malik would had been a better choice in such condition.
 
Born: October 2, 2000 (age 23 years), Attock, Pakistan

what if he could make a comeback for Pakistan and become a key member for the T20 World Cup?
 
So this guy is 23? Wow... this age-fudging really is shambolic. He easily looks 28.
 
Haider Ali has given plenty of chances at international level but he doesn't seem to be a good enough batsman to play at that level. This is what he has done with the bat in his international career.

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I was hoping that the County season would develop him as a player.

But he struggled badly and I'm not sure if the season actually served its purpose.
 
hassan918 said:
Haider Ali has given plenty of chances at international level but he doesn't seem to be a good enough batsman to play at that level. This is what he has done with the bat in his international career.

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To be completly fair, he was a top order batsmen and really good, and in my previous posts I mentioned the dangers of playing people out of position like we are playing saim at no 4.

He was relegated to a pinch hitter role.

Not saying he would blossomed or anything cause he's been struggling at county, but he was in Red hot form when he was selected.

I don't understand why he wasn't allowed to play at 3 especially with babar and rizzu hogging the opening.
 
Haider the Hack Ali. Remember the name.

He does not have the temprament for international cricket. Someone who misses a straight ball and gets lbw against Sikander Raza clearly does not have it.
 
go watch his under 19 days, he was a technically correct player who turned into a slogger. his feet stopped moving when he became a "power hitter". tragic waste of potential. i used to support him but his failures at county level, and now these lower levels show he does not have what it takes, a poor mans nasir jamshed in the end, and that's saying something.
 
You can understand Hafeez's point when he talks about not allowing U19 players to play T-20 cricket. PCB should introduce a policy that no Pakistani domestic player should be allowed to play the PSL without having played atleast 30 first class 4 day games.
 
Savak said:
You can understand Hafeez's point when he talks about not allowing U19 players to play T-20 cricket. PCB should introduce a policy that no Pakistani domestic player should be allowed to play the PSL without having played atleast 30 first class 4 day games.
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Even babar Azam hasn't played 30 fc games :wa
 
Savak said:
You can understand Hafeez's point when he talks about not allowing U19 players to play T-20 cricket. PCB should introduce a policy that no Pakistani domestic player should be allowed to play the PSL without having played atleast 30 first class 4 day games.
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Are they going to compensate the players ?
 
Not picked for PSL 9

Fall from grace and is it the end for Haider?

If he cannot get into a PSL side, his white-ball career is pretty much over.

Was his arrogance and issues with attitude noticed by the franchises and they decided to stay away from him?
 
MenInG said:
Not picked for PSL 9

Fall from grace and is it the end for Haider?

If he cannot get into a PSL side, his white-ball career is pretty much over.

Was his arrogance and issues with attitude noticed by the franchises and they decided to stay away from him?
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Never say never.

Needs to reinvent himself. This is a guy who showed in the past that he can blow away an opposition bowling attack. The player is in there somewhere, just needs to find it through humility and hard work.
 
Rana said:
Never say never.

Needs to reinvent himself. This is a guy who showed in the past that he can blow away an opposition bowling attack. The player is in there somewhere, just needs to find it through humility and hard work.
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I think he has a mental block. Putting too much pressure of expectation of himself as well.
 
Rana said:
Never say never.

Needs to reinvent himself. This is a guy who showed in the past that he can blow away an opposition bowling attack. The player is in there somewhere, just needs to find it through humility and hard work.
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He’s finished he prioritised Shisha bars and restaurants when he was England for his county stint. Come to terms with it he will never make it. He should retire
 
Time for Haider Hack Ali to ask whether he really wants it. So far he has shown up to be a very lazy cricketer. His fitness is shocking for a young player and it is clear he doesn't really work hard at his game.
 
His batting keeps getting worse every year. Haider was batting better in the U19s than he does now.

I prefer not to dog pile on a player when they're already down but I can't argue with posters when they say that Haider has attitude issues. There's no other way for a player to downgrade so much other than age or negligence on their part.
 
Hextro said:
His batting keeps getting worse every year. Haider was batting better in the U19s than he does now.

I prefer not to dog pile on a player when they're already down but I can't argue with posters when they say that Haider has attitude issues. There's no other way for a player to downgrade so much other than age or negligence on their part.
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He has gone the Umar Akmal route, only difference is that it has happened immediately.
 
I blame PZ a lot for what had happened to him. At PZ, his given role was to smack every ball even if that means him getting out first ball. At the time, he was a confident young batsman and he was able to pull of those innings. This brought him to limelight and a national call-up which meant he stuck to the approach when he shouldn't have. With time, he lost his confidence and the basics which had helped him reach this level. I remember his cover drive was compared with Babar's during the 2020 U 19 WC. In most of that cup, he batted at a low SR indicating he was playing conventional cricket. He was highly regarded as a technically solid batsman until then.

I am all for aggressive batting but mindless cricket is what it brings out of our young talent. Sad we probably have lost this talent for good. PZ should have taken the onus to translate this talent in to a better batsman.

I hope Saim Ayub doesnt go that way.
 
Savak said:
Time for Haider Hack Ali to ask whether he really wants it. So far he has shown up to be a very lazy cricketer. His fitness is shocking for a young player and it is clear he doesn't really work hard at his game.
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What a slap in the face to all hacks, don't do them like that by putting their names alongside Haider Rubbish Ali.
 
Rubbish batsman. I think Multan must have tried to get him but better heads prevailed.

Basically, he was from attock and played for Mohammad Wasim's academy in Rawalpindi. He did well and Mohammad Wasim fast tracked him from doemstic, all the way to Pakistan and PSL.

Guy was not developed and he has more than 35 Pakistan caps.

There was no way he was gonna get selected.
 
Marooned said:
Even babar Azam hasn't played 30 fc games :wa
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Where did you get that from ?
You do realise test matches are also considered first class games . Babar has played 86 first class games , which includes 49 test matches .
 
Haider Ali has been given many opportunities but still he simply does not want to improve his game. so i think no one else should be blamed more than he himself for this decline.
 
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Is there any evidence that he's not working on his game or putting in the effort? Just because he's not performing doesn't mean he's not working hard behind the scenes... no need to attack his character I'm sure
 
ahmadharis1 said:
Is there any evidence that he's not working on his game or putting in the effort? Just because he's not performing doesn't mean he's not working hard behind the scenes... no need to attack his character I'm sure
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If he is putting in so much effort so why is it not reflecting in his game?
 
This is also the coach that led Karachi to be one of the worst teams season after season. Whatever he was doing in PSL wasn’t working.
 
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ahmadharis1 said:
Is there any evidence that he's not working on his game or putting in the effort? Just because he's not performing doesn't mean he's not working hard behind the scenes... no need to attack his character I'm sure
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Yes the proof is in the pudding. When he came to England for his county stint instead of improving his game he was more interested in eating out in fancy restaurants and smoking Shisha.
 
I think this might be good for him to be honest. He needs to clear his head, work on fixing his technical weaknesses and back himself to play his natural attacking game. I hope he figures it out, he was so great to watch when he first arrived on the PSL scene & played such attacking cricket in the England series.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
If he is putting in so much effort so why is it not reflecting in his game?
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Lmao working hard doesn't guarantee good performances, it's not magic. You can do everything right in training but still not have great performances. That's not laziness, that's life.

JAV12341 said:
Yes the proof is in the pudding. When he came to England for his county stint instead of improving his game he was more interested in eating out in fancy restaurants and smoking Shisha.
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Lol where is this coming from? Is there anything to support this besides anecdotes? Does a player need to be working 24/7 on his game for fear of being seen as lazy? God forbid a cricket takes some time off for himself else the whole world would explode right?
 
ahmadharis1 said:
Lmao working hard doesn't guarantee good performances, it's not magic. You can do everything right in training but still not have great performances. That's not laziness, that's life.


Lol where is this coming from? Is there anything to support this besides anecdotes? Does a player need to be working 24/7 on his game for fear of being seen as lazy? God forbid a cricket takes some time off for himself else the whole world would explode right?
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Why don't they stop arranging training camps if it can never help them improve their game? Just sleep at home and come to play international cricket the rest leave to luck.
 
His fall from grace is upsetting to see his. So much potential yet so little substance of note. He is just a shell of his former self.
 
ahmadharis1 said:
Is there any evidence that he's not working on his game or putting in the effort? Just because he's not performing doesn't mean he's not working hard behind the scenes... no need to attack his character I'm sure
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Look at his fitness and fielding. It is appalling for a 23 year old person. That is a clear sign he has an extremely poor unprofessional work ethic. His body language gives away that he is a very lazy person.

In comparison a young 21-22 year old Kohli was full of energy, enthusiasm in the nets, drills that Yuvraj Singh back in 2010-11 was mesmerized and felt ashamed i.e. why didn't i have this much hunger, drive to play and perform for India when i was the same age?
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Why don't they stop arranging training camps if it can never help them improve their game? Just sleep at home and come to play international cricket the rest leave to luck.
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It's not as black and white as you're claiming it to be lmao. The only possibilities aren't "hard work guarantees success" or "hard work does nothing so why bother doing training camps".
 
With the decline of Abdullah Shafique in ODI it is now time to seriously consider a comeback for Haider.
 
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