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Afghan intelligence officials have blamed Taliban-affiliated militants with the help of Pakistani security services for a truck bombing in Kabul that killed 90 people.

Up to 400 others were injured when the suicide attacker drove into the capital's diplomatic quarter during the morning rush-hour before setting off explosives.

The blast left a 16ft-deep crater near Zanbaq Square in the Wazir Akbar Khan district, where foreign embassies are located, including the German premises which was badly damaged.

Most of the fatalities were civilians, including women and children. Nine Afghan security guards at the US embassy also died as well as another guard at the German equivalent.

The embassies of China, Turkey, France, India and Japan also reported damage, while the BBC said one of its drivers was killed and four of its journalists were wounded. Eleven US contractors were also hurt.

More than 50 cars were destroyed or damaged in the area which was considered Kabul's safest neighbourhood, with buildings protected by dozens of 10ft-high blast walls.

The Afghan intelligence service, NDS, said early findings showed the Afghan Haqqani militant network with the assistance of the Pakistani intelligence service, ISI, carried out the attack.

In a statement, the NDS said: "These terrorists once again proved they don't represent any religion and they only carry out such coward attacks to please their Pakistani masters which is against all Islamic and human rights principals."

The Haqqani group is fighting US-led NATO forces and the Afghan government.

Shop owner Mohammad Haroon said of the bombing: "I've never seen such a powerful explosion in my life," adding all the windows in his store and others nearby were shattered.

The Taliban and Islamic State have carried large-scale assaults in the capital in the past, though a Taliban spokesman denied it was behind the latest atrocity and condemned the blast.

Afghanistan has seen a rise in violent attacks this year, as the Taliban pushes to overthrow the US-backed government and reimpose Islamic law 16 years after it was removed from power following the 9/11 attacks.

Since the withdrawal of most international troops in 2014, the extremists have gained ground and now control about 40% of the country, according to US estimates.

However, President Ashref Ghani's government still holds all the main provincial centres.

There are currently 8,500 US troops in Afghanistan and Donald Trump is due to decide soon on a recommendation to send 3,000 to 5,000 more soldiers to bolster the NATO training force and US counter-terrorism mission.

The commander of US forces in Afghanistan, General John Nicholson, told a congressional hearing earlier this year that he needed several thousand more troops to help Afghan forces break a "stalemate" with the Taliban.

http://news.sky.com/story/kabul-bombing-afghans-blame-haqqani-network-and-pakistan-10900078
 
Nothing new here.People always like to blame others instead of focusing on their own shortcomings.The Afghanistan intelligence was clueless and ill prepared to stop such attacks.
 
Afghanistan government needs to be asked this: how can the US pump $65bn into your security forces, provide you training, air support, intelligence ccoperation and huge amounts of economic assistance, yet you still cannot prevent regular terror attacks on Kabul ?

Where has all that money gone ? Doesn't it ask serious questions about the competence of the Afghan state that it cannot protect what's meant to be one of the safest areas of the country let alone Kabul.
 
Afghanistan government needs to be asked this: how can the US pump $65bn into your security forces, provide you training, air support, intelligence ccoperation and huge amounts of economic assistance, yet you still cannot prevent regular terror attacks on Kabul ?

Where has all that money gone ? Doesn't it ask serious questions about the competence of the Afghan state hat it cannot protect what's meant to be one of the safest areas of the country let alone Kabul.

Also read the link I posted above. Pretty much established and accepted by Russians and Iranians re: their backing of the Taliban.

The country is in such a laughable mess with almost no control beyond their capital yet their government proudly keeps on crowing; it beggars belief.
 
Afghans bash Pakistan because it takes more balls to do the same with China, Russia and Iran, who are openly promoting the Talibans mainly as a counter-US influence, and the last two countries specifically also have more "direct" relations with the insurgent group, which also concerns very probable arms deals.

Afghanistan government needs to be asked this: how can the US pump $65bn into your security forces, provide you training, air support, intelligence ccoperation and huge amounts of economic assistance, yet you still cannot prevent regular terror attacks on Kabul ?

Where has all that money gone ? Doesn't it ask serious questions about the competence of the Afghan state that it cannot protect what's meant to be one of the safest areas of the country let alone Kabul.

Some say this operation benefited from coordination from "within", because a truck of such size couldn't come near "the safest areas of Kabul" to begin, and the successful attack also has an enormous psychological effect : that basically the govt. has hold on approximately nothing, considering that "the safest areas of Kabul" could contemplate such tragedy.
 
I think my post is relevant here too:

I was watching a video, a British Major Robert Gallimore (war vetrean in Afghanistan) was asked about ISI operations in Afghanistan and his response was that "I was told many times that Pakistan's hand is everywhere and everything is Pakistan's responsibility but i did not find any traces, it was never ever there". He mentioned how they monitored events and heard different discussions of militants but he did not ever find any evidence of ISI involvement.

Not denying ISI never intervened in Afghanistan but they are absolutely paranoid about Pakistan (obviously due to massive Indian influence) and this is not helping their case by any means.


This bombing was extremely devastating and painful but this aatitude by Afghanis is absolutely pathetic, they seem to have given up on well known home grown terrorism and feel blaming Pakistan will solve everything.

How is it possible that Pakistan backed militants are caqrrying out these attacks when hundred of thousands America/coalation troops are operating in Afghanistan? Pakistan suffered massively (at times FAR worse than Afghanis) and in the end had to launch attack against anyone/everyone who challeneged the state.
Afghanis aren't getting anywhere if they close eyes on home grown terrorism supported by their so called allies in neighbouring countries.
 
No matter what Pakistan does these Afghans will always blame us. What does their useless army and so called defence agencies do other then sit there drinking cups of tea. It is RAW and CIA behind all this carnage in that hell hole of a country. No reason why Pak will instigate terrorism when it will surely effect Pakistan as well one way or another. Instead of blaming Pakistan for everything they should do some sort of operation against whoever is responsible. If possible Afghanistan is going to become a bigger mess if Trump sends even more troops.
 
ISI and Army finger prints written all over it. Forget about India, USA, SA or any other external influence, Pakistan Army is the main reason Pakistan is in such a deep ****, they have never back down from their policies and vision...It's a shame, how much support they have in public. Pakistan can never be developed as long we have this Army, with these policies. They have run down the country to ground, still keep doubling down on those 1980s policies. There is light on the other end :facepalm:
 
Kabul attack: FO rejects Afghan allegations against Pakistan

ISLAMABAD: The Foreign Of fice on Thursday asked the Afghan government to stop blaming Pakistan for its own failings as it trashed Kabul`s allegations about a Pakistani spy agency`s involvement in Wednesday`s terrorist attack in the capital city`s diplomatic neighbourhood as baseless.

`The onus of setbacks and failures in Afghanistan should not be blamed on Pakistan. Mere rhetoric of blaming others to hide their failures in Afghanistan will not solve the problem,` FO spokesman Nafees Zakaria said at the weekly media briefing.

He was responding to allegations made against Pakistan`s ISI soon after the massive attack in Kabul that left at least 90 dead and hundreds wounded.

He warned that Kabul`s `accusatory approach` would prove unhelpful for peace.

The National Directorate of Security (NDS), the Afghan spy outfit, had in a statement claimed that the Haqqani network, which is alleged to be having sanctuaries in Pakistan, carried out the attack. TheNDS statement had further alleged that Pakistani intelligence agency ISI helped the Haqqani network plan the attack.

Following the NDS accusation, the Afghan Cricket Board cancelled upcoming matches with Pakistan.

`By killing innocent and destitute people today, the enemies of Afghanistan`s peace and stability showed that they are not worthy of friendship and will not change their stance against Afghans. In light of the findings of security services and calls by the Afghan nation, the ACB hereby cancel all kinds of cricket matches agreement with the Pakistan Cricket Board,` a statement on the cricket board`s Facebook page said.

Afghan allegations against Pakistan are not new and are often repeated after high-profile attacks.

Pakistan has, meanwhile, dismissed all such allegations in the past as well.

Pakistan government had condemned the latest attack in Kabul and condoled with the Afghan government over the loss of lives in the strike. `Pakistan strongly condemns the terrorist attack in Kabul this morning that has caused loss of precious human lives and injuries to many. Pakistan being a victim of terrorism understands the pain and agony that such incidents inflict upon the people and society,` the FO said yesterday.

Mr Zakaria regretted that the allegations against Pakistan were motivated.

`It is disappointing that some elements, who have no interest in peaceNDS statement had further alleged that Pakistani intelligence agency ISI helped the Haqqani network plan the attack.

Following the NDS accusation, the Afghan Cricket Board cancelled upcoming matches with Pakistan.

`By killing innocent and destitute people today, the enemies of Afghanistan`s peace and stability showed that they are not worthy of friendship and will not change their stance against Afghans. In light of the findings of security services and calls by the Afghan nation, the ACB hereby cancel all kinds of cricket matches agreement with the Pakistan Cricket Board,` a statement on the cricket board`s Facebook page said.

Afghan allegations against Pakistan are not new and are often repeated after high-profile attacks.

Pakistan has, meanwhile, dismissed all such allegations in the past as well.

Pakistan government had condemned the latest attack in Kabul and condoled with the Afghan government over the loss of lives in the strike. `Pakistan strongly condemns the terrorist attack in Kabul this morning that has caused loss of precious human lives and injuries to many. Pakistan being a victim of terrorism understands the pain and agony that such incidents inflict upon the people and society,` the FO said yesterday.

Mr Zakaria regretted that the allegations against Pakistan were motivated.

`It is disappointing that some elements, who have no interest in peacein Afghanistan and want to damage Afghan-Pakistan relations, have been maligning Pakistan for their own agenda,` he maintained while reminding about Pakistan`s high stakes in peace and stability in Afghanistan.

The spokesman recalled that there were elements within Afghanistan, who were `inimical` to Pak-Afghan relations. He further pointed out that continued violence in Afghanistan and the resulting vacuum had given space to forces that did not want peace in that country.

Reminding that the situation in Afghanistan was because of internal factors, he underscored that a lasting peace in the war-torn country could only be achieved through a politically-negotiated settlement.

About convicted Indian spy Kulbhushan Jhaday`s case in the International Court of Justice, the spokesman looked confident that the court verdict would not af fect his conviction or sentencing.

`In three previous cases in the ICJ the request for release or acquittal was not granted by the court. The courtstatedthatitdoesnothave the power to make such orders,` he said while citing precedents.

He said the Jadhav case was about whether Commander Jadhav was entitled to consular access because of the 1963 VCCR and not if the ICJ can act as a court of appeal against Pakistani legal proceedings.

Responding to a question, Mr Zakaria said India was exploiting `vulnerable elements` in Pakistan to carry out terrorist acts.

http://epaper.dawn.com/DetailImage.php?StoryImage=02_06_2017_016_009
 
ISI and Army finger prints written all over it. Forget about India, USA, SA or any other external influence, Pakistan Army is the main reason Pakistan is in such a deep ****, they have never back down from their policies and vision...It's a shame, how much support they have in public. Pakistan can never be developed as long we have this Army, with these policies. They have run down the country to ground, still keep doubling down on those 1980s policies. There is light on the other end :facepalm:

What you talking about? These guys are the ones who defend Pakistan by giving their lives and blood. Nawaz and Zardari would have long sold out the country was it not for the army.
 
The Yanks and the Indians have been after the Haqqani's for years now, they blame every other terrorist act on them.
 
Wait, aren't the Russians and Iranians doing "business" with Talibans, and thus, indirectly, helping the ghostly "Haqqani network" (which has no organic or even functional basis apart from the articles of US, Afghan and Indian geopoliticians) ?

Taliban again affirms Haqqani Network is an integral part of group

The Taliban has issued a second statement denying any role in the deadly Kabul bombing on May 31. No group has claimed credit for the attack. But the Taliban was quick to defend the Haqqani Network after the Afghan government alleged that its men were responsible. In so doing, the Taliban again affirmed that the Haqqanis are an integral part of its organization — not an independent faction.
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The Taliban responded on June 1 via a statement issued on its Voice of Jihad website, directly addressing the claims made by the NDS. (The group had previously denied any involvement within hours of the attack. The denial may be self-serving, as the Taliban is concerned with how attacks targeting civilians are perceived.)

“After the Islamic Emirate denied all involvement following yesterday’s blast in Kabul and condemned the incident, the spy agency of Kabul – in order to hide its failure and plots of their masters as well as to confuse common thinking – quickly alleged that the incident was the work of Islamic Emirate especially of Haqqani Sahib’s Mujahideen!!?,” the June 1 statement reads.

“We once again reject all allegations about involvement of Mujahideen of Islamic Emirate in the Kabul incident,” the message continues. “None of our Mujahideen including those of Haqqani Sahib had any role in this event and neither does the killing of civilians benefit the Islamic Emirate.” (Emphasis added.)
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In 2012, Sirajuddin himself denied claims that the Haqqani Network is a separate entity, instead describing his followers as one of many “fronts” within the Taliban.
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In September 2012, the Taliban released a statement on their website declaring that there is “no separate entity or network in Afghanistan by the name of Haqqani.”

“The honorable Mawlawi Jalaluddin Haqqani is a member of the Leadership Council of Islamic Emirate and is a close, loyal and trusted associate of the esteemed Amir-ul-Mumineen [leader of the faithful, Mullah Omar] and those Mujahideen entrusted under the command of his sons are in fact the heroic Mujahideen of [the] Islamic Emirate who like other Mujahideen strictly obey the esteemed Amir-ul-Mumineen and wage Jihad against the invaders throughout the country,” the Taliban said.

In Dec. 2016, the Taliban released a lengthy video containing clips of Sirajuddin. That same video celebrated the historical alliance between the Taliban and al Qaeda. Jalaluddin Haqqani was one of Osama bin Laden’s earliest allies in the region, providing the al Qaeda founder with crucial local support. Sirajuddin has his own strong ties to al Qaeda. Files recovered in Osama bin Laden’s compound highlight the degree to which al Qaeda’s men cooperate with Siraj and his forces inside Afghanistan.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archi...qani-network-is-an-integral-part-of-group.php
 
What you talking about? These guys are the ones who defend Pakistan by giving their lives and blood. Nawaz and Zardari would have long sold out the country was it not for the army.

Nawaz, Zaradari have no real power, politican don't run the country. Whatever Pakistan is today, its mainly because of Army, which is the strongest institution, that country is run by their vision. If you like where Pakistan is now, than keep cheering Army!!

To me, Pakistan biggest problem is that it is run by Army :acp:
 
Well ISIS claimed the responsibility so is Afghanistan going to apologize? They even canceled some cricket events.
 
Nawaz, Zaradari have no real power, politican don't run the country. Whatever Pakistan is today, its mainly because of Army, which is the strongest institution, that country is run by their vision. If you like where Pakistan is now, than keep cheering Army!!

To me, Pakistan biggest problem is that it is run by Army :acp:

Unless you can take bullets on the chest for Pakistan then don't blame the army like Geo does. Off course politicians run the country, what is the matter with you? By the way our politicians are billionaires never speaking against Pak's enemies. Army is busy fighting terrorism where as Nawaz is to busy on his international trips and other such merry making. The army should hang all of these corrupt politicians.
 
[MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] lol acting like Pak military isnt a hugely corrupt entity too. Pak military has a huge commercial empire built on corruption and kickbacks using its influence to undermine the system.

The ones i feel for are the jawans on the frontline fighting the terrorists certainly not the leadership which is just as corrupt as the civilian leadership.

difference being if u criticise Pak army too much on tv u could find yourself "disappeared" for a few days.

Its no secret that elements in ISI and the Army leadership still funnel support to Jihadists that it believes furthers Pakistans geo political interests in Afghanistan and India.

Thats why you had thia Good Taliban Bad Taliban ludicroua rhetoric going on. When both factions of the Taliban the Afghan and TTP One engage in terrorism against civilians and seek to impose brutality on those under their rule.

Its just that one gives Pakistan strategic depth so the establishment turns a blind eye to it while the other is hell bent on destroying the Pakistani state.

This policy has created huge problems for Pakistan and it all started with the fauj and zia in the 80s and they still support the policy to this day.
 
Well ISIS claimed the responsibility so is Afghanistan going to apologize? They even canceled some cricket events.

Not only that, turns out one of their own MPs were invovled in the attack as well.
 
Not only that, turns out one of their own MPs were invovled in the attack as well.

A MP, what did he do? Shows how Afghanistan is when even their government officials are involved in terrorism.
 
[MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] lol acting like Pak military isnt a hugely corrupt entity too. Pak military has a huge commercial empire built on corruption and kickbacks using its influence to undermine the system.

The ones i feel for are the jawans on the frontline fighting the terrorists certainly not the leadership which is just as corrupt as the civilian leadership.

difference being if u criticise Pak army too much on tv u could find yourself "disappeared" for a few days.

Its no secret that elements in ISI and the Army leadership still funnel support to Jihadists that it believes furthers Pakistans geo political interests in Afghanistan and India.

Thats why you had thia Good Taliban Bad Taliban ludicroua rhetoric going on. When both factions of the Taliban the Afghan and TTP One engage in terrorism against civilians and seek to impose brutality on those under their rule.

Its just that one gives Pakistan strategic depth so the establishment turns a blind eye to it while the other is hell bent on destroying the Pakistani state.

This policy has created huge problems for Pakistan and it all started with the fauj and zia in the 80s and they still support the policy to this day.

Well why don't you go and fight instead of pointing the finger at the fauj? Does not matter how corrupt they are or not, they fight for the country and die as well which is all that matters. We can't all be angel's like you. The jawans know what they expect when the sign up for the job that is possibly dying for the country. They call is martydom with most joining the ranks for that reason.

Corruption is part of most institutions and probably most armies as well. Pakistan however is the only country where people like you attack those who defend the country whilst sitting nicely behind your laptop. If Pak army supports jihadist or such groups then so do others. The Indian military is deeply influenced by RAW and American's by Blackwater etc. In a battle of survival and the fittest you gotta do whatever it takes to safeguard the country. Sorry for the military not living up to your high moral standards.

Pak only recognises the Taliban who does not attack us. The bad ones are those sitting in Afghanistan supported by RAW who have been killing our soldiers. Pak will therefore support anyone who opposes them until they put an end to it. If Afghanistan can not stop those using their territory to attack Pak then our fauj will do it for them. In case it missed you terrorism has greatly reduced in Pak since the various operations whilst your pro India Nawaz has been liking Modi's boots. This is what people like you want, a pro Indian PM.

Understand the changing dynamics. The situation today is very different to when Zia was at the helm. It is not Pak's fault that the Russians invaded and battered Afghanistan so at the time again the military did whatever it had to do to survive.
 
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[MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] the generals aint fighting its the young lads who get sent out there. Yeah both Talibans are terrorist organisation the good jihadi bad jihadi strategy has been a total failure on Pakistans part. Surely a new strategy is needed than thinking u can control Jihadists.

Im not a Nawaz supporter but closer ties with India are a lot better than permanent hostility with them. Thats from both sides too. Reducing hostilities with India isnt the same as becoming sub servient to them.

Pakistan has tried dictatorship many times and they havent made the country better at all. The same levels of corruption and incompetence carry on under military rule too but at least u can vote the nooras out.



The military wants to carry on playing the India Card to justify their obscene power and influence in Pakistani politics.

you seem to love Pakistani military so much please volunteer for the motherland then rather than saying it to people who call out the army.
 
Its sad. Afghanistan has become the epicenter of a proxy war between India-Pakistan and USA-China.
 
If someone just googled the attacks in afghanistan from last 1 yr or so, thn they will know that ISIS claimed responsibility for almost every major attack.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-claims-afghanistan-attack-on-state-media-in-nangarhar/

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/isis-claims-responsibility-for-attack-on-nato-convoy-in-kabul-1688972

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/08/gunmen-dressed-as-doctors-attack-military-hospital-in-kabul


these are just few links, but there are many more about ISIS presence in afghanistan.

and people forgt this too ,

US 'mother of all bombs' killed 92 Isis militants, say Afghan officials

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/15/us-mother-of-all-bombs-moab-afghanistan-donald-trump-death-toll

Including 13+ Indian Islamic State fighters ..

13 Indians killed in US 'Mother of All Bombs' bombing in Afghanistan: Report

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indians-killed-us-mother-of-all-bombs-bombing-afghanistan/1/932471.html

But But , Pakistan is responsible for every mess in afghanistan ..
i think after a decade people will start blaming pakistan again for "creating" ISIS, becoz they already forgt who have created Taliban in first place ...
 
[MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] the generals aint fighting its the young lads who get sent out there. Yeah both Talibans are terrorist organisation the good jihadi bad jihadi strategy has been a total failure on Pakistans part. Surely a new strategy is needed than thinking u can control Jihadists.

Im not a Nawaz supporter but closer ties with India are a lot better than permanent hostility with them. Thats from both sides too. Reducing hostilities with India isnt the same as becoming sub servient to them.

Pakistan has tried dictatorship many times and they havent made the country better at all. The same levels of corruption and incompetence carry on under military rule too but at least u can vote the nooras out.



The military wants to carry on playing the India Card to justify their obscene power and influence in Pakistani politics.

you seem to love Pakistani military so much please volunteer for the motherland then rather than saying it to people who call out the army.

That happens everywhere that the generals never fight but give orders to soldiers so what are you talking about? It is not as if it only happens in the Pak military. With war in neighbouring Afghanistan it is not the fauj's fault that it spilt over. The new strategy has been in place since Raheel, now Qamar is doing a good job as well. Surrounded by hostile neighbours the military will do whatever it takes. As stated previously there is no reason why we should see enemies in groups that do not attack Pak.

Good ties can only takes place when there is mutual understanding. Indian wants complete hegemony over the region and has been causing problems in Pak to stop CPEC. We should hang Kulbushan as soon as possible no matter how ugly relations get. I am afraid hostilities will continue until the Kashmir problem remains outstanding.

What has democracy ever given Pak other the corrupt leaders like Benazir, Zardari and Nawaz? Just because democracy suits the west does not make it ideal for Pakistan. I much prefer a good military ruler then a corrupt PM like Nawaz and his family of billionaires sucking blood of innocents. Have a look at the border situation to see that the Indian's have been attacking Pak to safeguard their asset Nawaz's survival in Islamabad. They have been supporting terrorism in FATA, Baluchistan and KPK for a long time.

Supporting the military does not mean I should volunteer for them when they are doing a great job in defending the country without me whilst your democratically elected governments can' even fulfil the very basic needs of the people. Those like you who love democratically elected and corrupt leaders so much deserve to be without electricity and clean water. Serves you right! Lets see Nawaz and Zardari fight with the fauj for Pakistan!
 
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[MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] terrorism started growing under Musharaffs military regime. Load shedding lack of infrastructure and development has all been under the prevalence of military rule. difference is military shut down the media of criticising them just like they do today.

Nooras and Bhuttos are corrupt but they at least can be criticised openly unlike fauji dictators. Pakistan being a democracy doesnt make it subservient to anyone. Musharraf and Zia and Ayub Khan were as much U.S Stooges as Any civilian leader has been in fact they are more subservient to U.S interests.

Zia was the one who started the madrassa building and importation of Saudi ideology into Pakistan and the consequences are there for all of us to see.

the one politician who tried to break Pakistan from U.S hegemony was ZAB but we saw how that turned out.

military rulers havent made Pakistan safer reduced poverty improve services the same corruption stays under them but you have no public avenue to criticise them because they totally crush dissent.


its ok for you to live in the u.k to fawn over dictatorships but they havent helped Pakistan at all.

The army has its place primarily to defend the country but it should steer clear from politics. If Pakistans dictatorship was successful like China then u can say something but they havent improved the country at all.
 
It's funny how easy to blame Pakistan. APS attackers came from Afghanistan. Mulla Fazalullah is hiding in Afghanistan. Pak army cleaned North and South Waziristan but no they want to blame Pakistan. Inki kismat me hi rona likha hai
 
[MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] terrorism started growing under Musharaffs military regime. Load shedding lack of infrastructure and development has all been under the prevalence of military rule. difference is military shut down the media of criticising them just like they do today.

Nooras and Bhuttos are corrupt but they at least can be criticised openly unlike fauji dictators. Pakistan being a democracy doesnt make it subservient to anyone. Musharraf and Zia and Ayub Khan were as much U.S Stooges as Any civilian leader has been in fact they are more subservient to U.S interests.

Zia was the one who started the madrassa building and importation of Saudi ideology into Pakistan and the consequences are there for all of us to see.

the one politician who tried to break Pakistan from U.S hegemony was ZAB but we saw how that turned out.

military rulers havent made Pakistan safer reduced poverty improve services the same corruption stays under them but you have no public avenue to criticise them because they totally crush dissent.


its ok for you to live in the u.k to fawn over dictatorships but they havent helped Pakistan at all.

The army has its place primarily to defend the country but it should steer clear from politics. If Pakistans dictatorship was successful like China then u can say something but they havent improved the country at all.

Mush was a victim of circumstance due to 9/11. It is easy to blame him when the American's were gonna attack Afghanistan no matter what. He actually made the media free to criticise as much as they want. Stick to the point here instead of deflecting to history going back decades.

The military is the only institution in Pak that is working otherwise your democratically elected leaders have always failed the country. Had they been capable of doing anything the fauj would not have to intervene. Well now they will not so let your democratically elected PM get out of the current mess he is in. Panama and dawn leaks will take him and democracy to the gallows. Things in the 1970's were different when the Russians were standing on our doorstep, they were ready to invade Pakistan so Zia had to do something about it.

Military rulers are not ideal however much better then the Bhutto's, Zardari's and every democratically elected government of billionaires who have always failed the country. Pak needs a new system out of the box. Of course the military has made Pak safer by laying down their lives whilst Nawaz and Zardari are having never ending holidays. Living outside Pak does not mean we should support a corrupt Godfather instead why don't you ask the people of Pak who can't stop chanting "Go Nawaz go" of what western type democracy has given them? Nothing! Defending the country often means having to get involved in politics when the government is anti national. When the PM never speaks of Indian terrorism because of his outside interests. Had it not been for the military Pak would be another Syria or Iraq.
 
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